[PICTURES] Is Hindutva Ideology Impacting Indian Cricketers?

[Major]

European travellers and Indian literature both mention that the spot where Shree Ram was born in Ayodhya has a temple and he is worshipped there.

Archaeological excavation found remains of a destroyed temple which was apparently quite big at that exact spot.

5114 BC european travellers? Lmao

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistan has already demolished many temples, as "retaliation" for masjid-e-janmasthaan. No hue and cry in India.

No hue and cry in India, sure maybe not now but when another one goes down today/tomorrow or whenever I’m sure there will be outrage from your side.

We’re talking about the same Indian’s that are still crying about the way Kaneria was treated by ex cricketers and the PCB. Let Pakistan treat it’s minorities however they wish without you guys coming in the way and vice versa.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No hue and cry in India, sure maybe not now but when another one goes down today/tomorrow or whenever I’m sure there will be outrage from your side.

We’re talking about the same Indian’s that are still crying about the way Kaneria was treated by ex cricketers and the PCB. Let Pakistan treat it’s minorities however they wish without you guys coming in the way and vice versa.

I bet there won't be, except some odd social media posts. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

I often see reports of hindu girls forcibly converted and married, and I don't mind it. They are only moving up the social ladder by becoming muslim in pakistan.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I bet there won't be, except some odd social media posts. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

I often see reports of hindu girls forcibly converted and married, and I don't mind it. They are only moving up the social ladder by becoming muslim in pakistan.

You’re not a Muslim if you’re forced to revert.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You’re not a Muslim if you’re forced to revert.

Maybe, but yours kids will be. Still a better future than being born a hindu.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Maybe, but yours kids will be. Still a better future than being born a hindu.

When Dalits in India aren’t safe in a Hindu majority country then how can you expect them to be safe in a country where they are a minority.

 

[CricketCartoons]

When Dalits in India aren’t safe in a Hindu majority country then how can you expect them to be safe in a country where they are a minority.

Dalits should be safer in the absence of upper caste hindus, no?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Dalits should be safer in the absence of upper caste hindus, no?

Not necessarily, there’s different castes within the Dalits. (Chamar, Dusadhs etc)

They’re all Hindus, do they feel safe in India?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not necessarily, there’s different castes within the Dalits. (Chamar, Dusadhs etc)

They’re all Hindus, do they feel safe in India?

They are safer in Pakistan. But even safer if they convert.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

They are safer in Pakistan. But even safer if they convert.

Maybe all those forced conversions in India are just Dalits tryna get up the ladder in the caste system. So can’t blame them really if they feel threatened by their own.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Maybe all those forced conversions in India are just Dalits tryna get up the ladder in the caste system. So can’t blame them really if they feel threatened by their own.

Which caste can they convert to? No one is blaming them. I already said they are safer in Pakistan, than in India. But they can be safest in pakistan if they convert.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Which caste can they convert to? No one is blaming them. I already said they are safer in Pakistan, than in India. But they can be safest in pakistan if they convert.

Why can’t Dalits be safer in India?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why can’t Dalits be safer in India?

Because of upper caste hindus. Muslims are OK with them.

 

[gani999]

Not necessarily, there’s different castes within the Dalits. (Chamar, Dusadhs etc)

They’re all Hindus, do they feel safe in India?

With all the muslims getting killed in bomb blasts in mosques in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the last thing they should worry about is the safety of hindus in India.

 

[uppercut]

the reason behind the importance of the site isnt because it was built on some random hindu temple, its the alleged birthplace of a character central to the hindu mythology. theres nothing special about the site of this temple other than the aforementioned claim that its the birthplace of rama, hence its importance is grounded solely in mythology. you admit as much in the last sentence of the first paragraph.

Nothing alleged about it whatsoever.... go read the court judgment.... its all freely available. Therefore the only party that needs to yield here is the Muslims. But then again its the same old problem of having to let inconvenient facts get in the way .... now tell me why you feel it Should be the Hindus that should have yielded when the evidence so overwhelmingly favors their claim.

 

[cricketjoshila]

5114 BC european travellers? Lmao

European travellers before Babar broke the temple.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why can’t Dalits be safer in India?

Why isn't anyone safe in Pakistan?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

With all the muslims getting killed in bomb blasts in mosques in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the last thing they should worry about is the safety of hindus in India.

You think I give a crap about the safety of Hindus in India? I think you need to scroll back up to post #75.

All I said was that the Indians who are calling out the Pakistani’s for being upset about the demolishing of the Babri Masjid will also cry when their temple in Pakistan gets demolished in Pakistan. Mr Cartoon doesn’t agree.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Why isn't anyone safe in Pakistan?

Sar integral part of Pakistan sar. Sar go to Danish Kaneria’s SM accounts and tell me why so many Indians are pleading for him to come back to India, why do they care about Pakistani minorities when they don’t even care about Hindu Dalits sar

 

[CricketCartoons]

You think I give a crap about the safety of Hindus in India? I think you need to scroll back up to post #75.

All I said was that the Indians who are calling out the Pakistani’s for being upset about the demolishing of the Babri Masjid will also cry when their temple in Pakistan gets demolished in Pakistan. Mr Cartoon doesn’t agree.

I have evidence to show. You have none. Pakistan already demolished many temples but indians are not leading an outcry. While even Pakistani govt is commenting on Ayodhya Temple Reclamation.

Prove me wrong by demolishing a temple in Pakistan.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I have evidence to show. You have none. Pakistan already demolished many temples but indians are not leading an outcry. While even Pakistani govt is commenting on Ayodhya Temple Reclamation.

Prove me wrong by demolishing a temple in Pakistan.

Can you read this article, please.

https://newsonair.gov.in/Main-News-Details.aspx?id=442419

 

[CricketCartoons]

Can you read this article, please.

https://newsonair.gov.in/Main-News-Details.aspx?id=442419

It proves my point, that this is an obscure news not leading to outcry. Just look at this forum, how many indians talk about temple desecration in pakistan.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It proves my point, that this is an obscure news not leading to outcry. Just look at this forum, how many indians talk about temple desecration in pakistan.

What more do you want, another fairy tale surgical strike in response to a destruction of a temple? lol

you mentioned that the Pakistani government comments on the Babri Masjid, I just gave you an article where your own government talks about the vandalised temple in Pakistan. What do you want me to pull out?

 

[CricketCartoons]

What more do you want, another fairy tale surgical strike in response to a destruction of a temple? lol

you mentioned that the Pakistani government comments on the Babri Masjid, I just gave you an article where your own government talks about the vandalised temple in Pakistan. What do you want me to pull out?

Yes, I agree that you provided an instance of ind govt just like pak govt commented. But what about the masses and main stream media? Any instance of mosques demolished in india in retaliation for temple demolished in pakistan, like it happened in Pakistan where people "retaliated". Just because you find an equivalence in govt statement doesnt mean both are equal in scale and intensity.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Yes, I agree that you provided an instance of ind govt just like pak govt commented. But what about the masses and main stream media? Any instance of mosques demolished in india in retaliation for temple demolished in pakistan, like it happened in Pakistan where people "retaliated". Just because you find an equivalence in govt statement doesnt mean both are equal in scale and intensity.

Look I’ll end it here, mosques are burnt/vandalised in India, temples are burnt/vandalised in Pakistan but the only difference is that you won’t find Pakistani’s defending it. Can’t say the same for the Indians though, they’ll come up with all sorts of crap like the local Imam’s child was in a relationship with a Brahmin Hindu girl, so they had to burn the place down lol.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Look I’ll end it here, mosques are burnt/vandalised in India, temples are burnt/vandalised in Pakistan but the only difference is that you won’t find Pakistani’s defending it. Can’t say the same for the Indians though, they’ll come up with all sorts of crap like the local Imam’s child was in a relationship with a Brahmin Hindu girl, so they had to burn the place down lol.

You can give yourself all the tributes that you want.

 

[Rajdeep]

Looks like Hindutva is not only impacting Indians but overseas players too. After Keshav Maharaj & Danish Kaneria, David Warner wishes Jay Shri Ram to Indians

 

[ElRaja]

Hinduism and Islam are from 2 different planets in the sub continent, they will mainly never see eye to eye. Hindu/Muslim tensions have always been present wayy long before any BJP government.

Only saving grace for India is that the majority population is Hindu, had we been a muslim majority the minorities would be struggling to survive could be an endangered species now.

When Hindus are in Majority in India we have the second largest muslim population in the world, shows the tolerance, is India perfect? NO, however India is tolerant, educated, doing sound economically and advancing while Pakistan minorities are struggling, most probably disappearing ...

Hindus in India have every right to place a temple in Ayodhya where an invader destroyed an ancient place of worship, Pakistanis really shouldn't be commenting about religious tolerance or any such matter as you lost that right once Pakistan was formed a country which has a rule that a non muslim cannot be a member of parliament should not speak.

no need to get sensitive, i have no delusions abt pakistan's problems, i dont live there and have no desire to, but that is besides the point, i have all the right to comment, this is a forum, if you have a problem with that dont read what i write, block me. just come up with something better than we're better than Pakistan tho, cos when it comes to inter ethnic cohesion that's like being better at speaking swahili than the average Mexican.

 

[ElRaja]

I don't form opinions without some due-dilligence ... therefore I can also prove that using using modern human rights standards. A very good example is demolition of Statues of prominent racists in Western countries. The idea is to not let symbols of barbarians not stand ... let alone thrive.​

sure bro, whatever makes you feel superior about urself

 

[FearlessRoar]

Looks like Hindutva is not only impacting Indians but overseas players too. After Keshav Maharaj & Danish Kaneria, David Warner wishes Jay Shri Ram to Indians

View attachment 141691

Wow, David Warner was also involved in this.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Here is Venky Prasad

https://x.com/i/web/status/1749287317884584128

At the grand inauguration of the Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Sachin Tendulkar, Anil Kumble and Mithali Raj were present. I wonder where were Sehwag and Suresh Raina !!!

 

[CricketCartoons]

sure bro, whatever makes you feel superior about urself

So you believe BLM is about black supremacy? Fair enough then. At least you wont be a hypocrite.

 

[Itachi]

the reason behind the importance of the site isnt because it was built on some random hindu temple, its the alleged birthplace of a character central to the hindu mythology. theres nothing special about the site of this temple other than the aforementioned claim that its the birthplace of rama, hence its importance is grounded solely in mythology. you admit as much in the last sentence of the first paragraph.

+100 points in unintended irony when u claim Muslims have a world view of once a mosque always a mosque, when u wanna rebuild a temple which may have existed more than 500 years ago.

my take is that if there was a temple and it was destroyed go complain to the people who did it, if they are dead, move on. theres hundreds of mosques which were catherdrals, tonnes of cathedrals built on historic mosques, or native American temples, theres mosques and churches built on sites of historic jewish importance. it is what it is, if you go down the road of mythological deeds of ownership you just end destroying tonnes of architecture, history and culture. if you are really desperate, just co-opt a building, like the hagia sophia or like the cathedral of cordoba.

im glad as i suggested you didn't hide ur contempt for the other side, your open in your views and i appreciate that, and it makes your whole view point understandable.

That's the crux of the issue. It was always one way street up until now (X structure was destryed and a mosque was built).
While destryong those by the muslim rulers, tonnes of architecture, history and culture also got destroyed.

Does it mean only islamic culture should have importance and rest just needs to accept that whatever happend just happened?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's the crux of the issue. It was always one way street up until now (X structure was destryed and a mosque was built).
While destryong those by the muslim rulers, tonnes of architecture, history and culture also got destroyed.

Does it mean only islamic culture should have importance and rest just needs to accept that whatever happend just happened?

That only makes sense if India had no English culture, or Portuguese culture or American culture. When have non-Indian posters ever said that India should only have Islamic culture?

 

[Itachi]

That only makes sense if India had no English culture, or Portuguese culture or American culture. When have non-Indian posters ever said that India should only have Islamic culture?

Where did I say that they had said that?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's the crux of the issue. It was always one way street up until now (X structure was destryed and a mosque was built).
While destryong those by the muslim rulers, tonnes of architecture, history and culture also got destroyed.

Does it mean only islamic culture should have importance and rest just needs to accept that whatever happend just happened?

Right here.

 

[Itachi]

Right here.

That's call an open ended question.

In a conversation, If i ask you, "Does this mean she should have imprtance?"

that doesn't necessarily mean you stated that she shouldn't have.

It simply is a question to know your standing so that the course of the conversation can go proper way while understanding each other's perspective and inquire if something is vague.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That's the crux of the issue. It was always one way street up until now (X structure was destryed and a mosque was built).
While destryong those by the muslim rulers, tonnes of architecture, history and culture also got destroyed.

Does it mean only islamic culture should have importance and rest just needs to accept that whatever happend just happened?

It wasnt a one way street.

The problem is you guys have only one eye and able to see one thing.

 

[Itachi]

It wasnt a one way street.

The problem is you guys have only one eye and able to see one thing.

The context was India.

Blame the mughals for destroying the temples.

Had british came and destroyed temple to build church then christianity would have the same issue. But british were clever enough to bring anthropologists to study the native culture and how they can assimilate in order to exploit.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The context was India.

Blame the mughals for destroying the temples.

Had british came and destroyed temple to build church then christianity would have the same issue. But british were clever enough to bring anthropologists to study the native culture and how they can assimilate in order to exploit.

What about when competing Hindu empires destroyed temples, sacked them and burnt them to the ground?

Indian knowledge of history is sadly limited.

 

[Itachi]

What about when competing Hindu empires destroyed temples, sacked them and burnt them to the ground?

Indian knowledge of history is sadly limited.

Nothing. If X god temple is replaced by Y god temple, then in terms of hiduism, it is still the same because all gods ultimately falls under Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. So it is practically the same, you just changed the route.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nothing. If X god temple is replaced by Y god temple, then in terms of hiduism, it is still the same because all gods ultimately falls under Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. So it is practically the same, you just changed the route.

Lol.

Why did they bother gathering armies to destroy them if its all just the same?

Anyway perhaps given the ambivalence towards temple destruction by hindus like you..Maybe then the mughals felt similarly. They felt you guys were taking the wrong route and built a mosque to guide you.

 

[Itachi]

Lol.

Why did they bother gathering armies to destroy them if its all just the same?

To symbolise their victory perhaps. Who knows what politics were going on in medieval ages.

Anyway perhaps given the ambivalence towards temple destruction by hindus like you..Maybe then the mughals felt similarly. They felt you guys were taking the wrong route and built a mosque to guide you.

May be. who knows.

But it depends upon what the locals feel towards it and whether they accept or not. If locals are not accepting, then should have gone for different approach.

Christians did also spread their religion but they did cleverly while engaging with people and getting the approvals from the locals first. It wasn't forceful so people didn't have any issue.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The context was India.

Blame the mughals for destroying the temples.

Had british came and destroyed temple to build church then christianity would have the same issue. But british were clever enough to bring anthropologists to study the native culture and how they can assimilate in order to exploit.

So Hindus were not clever enough to work out they were being exploited?

 

[Champ_Pal]

So Hindus were not clever enough to work out they were being exploited?

They were oppressed and powerless.

 

[ElRaja]

That's the crux of the issue. It was always one way street up until now (X structure was destryed and a mosque was built).
While destryong those by the muslim rulers, tonnes of architecture, history and culture also got destroyed.

Does it mean only islamic culture should have importance and rest just needs to accept that whatever happend just happened?

youve conflated two issues to try to make a point which doesnt stand on its own, yes accept what has happened as it is your history, but no it does not mean Islamic culture has importance over hindu culture.

you using the behaviour of 800 year old invaders as a yard stick to measure cultural standards towards people living in your own country is admitting that you are culturally stuck in the 1200s and view indian Muslims as a group to be conquered.

So you believe BLM is about black supremacy? Fair enough then. At least you wont be a hypocrite.

as expected, a non-sequitur since you don't have any point to make.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wow, David Warner was also involved in this.

David certainly looking for the brownie points here

 

[JaDed]

youve conflated two issues to try to make a point which doesnt stand on its own, yes accept what has happened as it is your history, but no it does not mean Islamic culture has importance over hindu culture.

you using the behaviour of 800 year old invaders as a yard stick to measure cultural standards towards people living in your own country is admitting that you are culturally stuck in the 1200s and view indian Muslims as a group to be conquered.



as expected, a non-sequitur since you don't have any point to make.

Cultural standards are based on religions and ideologies from centuries ago,the partition is literally based on that aspect.

Culturally Punjab and Sindh were peaceful with all 3 religions, yet in the end Muslims asked for their own country without seeing the relations were peaceful between 3 communities.

The one sided lecture doesn’t make sense.

 

[ElRaja]

Cultural standards are based on religions and ideologies from centuries ago,the partition is literally based on that aspect.

Culturally Punjab and Sindh were peaceful with all 3 religions, yet in the end Muslims asked for their own country without seeing the relations were peaceful between 3 communities.

The one sided lecture doesn’t make sense.

the partition was a political act based on what the Muslims, or at least those that moved perceived would be in their long term interest, because they did not want to live in a country where hindus would hold political hegemony.

the first post i made in this thread was that the importance of this temple is the political expression of hindu dominance over Muslims in India, and that is the primary reason over the celebration of its construction.

the lecture is only one sided becuase everyone who tries to refute the point i was making at some stage reveals their fundamental beliefs and proves my initial point correct, including you just now by drawing a parallel between the division of hindus and Muslims during partition and what the construction of the temple fundamentally means.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They were oppressed and powerless.

Are they still oppressed and powerless?

 

[Bewal Express]

Cultural standards are based on religions and ideologies from centuries ago,the partition is literally based on that aspect.

Culturally Punjab and Sindh were peaceful with all 3 religions, yet in the end Muslims asked for their own country without seeing the relations were peaceful between 3 communities.

The one sided lecture doesn’t make sense.

But Quaid could see what was coming and history proved him right

 

[rpant_gabba]

But Quaid could see what was coming and history proved him right

Another view would be that, his actions combined with 5 decades of minority appeasement by congress precipitated the current situation.

 

[Bewal Express]

Another view would be that, his actions combined with 5 decades of minority appeasement by congress precipitated the current situation.

Yes, 5 decades in which Muslims have been treated amazingly well and today rule Ind

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes, 5 decades in which Muslims have been treated amazingly well and today rule Ind

you are deflecting.

1) Jinnah gambled on leaving india/bharat/hindustan as a non-contigous land impossible to govern and he lost that gamble.

2) has been any group been treated amazingly in a poor country trying to find its feet?

 

[rpant_gabba]

no need to get sensitive, i have no delusions abt pakistan's problems, i dont live there and have no desire to, but that is besides the point, i have all the right to comment, this is a forum, if you have a problem with that dont read what i write, block me. just come up with something better than we're better than Pakistan tho, cos when it comes to inter ethnic cohesion that's like being better at speaking swahili than the average Mexican.

It comes down to what stick you want to measure by.

If you are intend to measure india by first world standards, any discussion is a non starter.

 

[JaDed]

But Quaid could see what was coming and history proved him right

in that case its proven other religions cannot survive with monotheism, literally in Museum of chicago.

 

[JaDed]

the partition was a political act based on what the Muslims, or at least those that moved perceived would be in their long term interest, because they did not want to live in a country where hindus would hold political hegemony.

the first post i made in this thread was that the importance of this temple is the political expression of hindu dominance over Muslims in India, and that is the primary reason over the celebration of its construction.

the lecture is only one sided becuase everyone who tries to refute the point i was making at some stage reveals their fundamental beliefs and proves my initial point correct, including you just now by drawing a parallel between the division of hindus and Muslims during partition and what the construction of the temple fundamentally means.

You are confusing it then because if that was the case thr next day of temple opening one wouldnt had so many worshippers , which clearly means they considered it holy.

 

[uppercut]

you using the behaviour of 800 year old invaders as a yard stick to measure cultural standards towards people living in your own country is admitting that you are culturally stuck in the 1200s and view indian Muslims as a group to be conquered.

Its the EXAXCT opposite, if Muslims today feel emotionally/religiously attached to structures that came to be as a result of blatant in-your-face "Religious intolerance" (to put it very mildly) then they deserve to be treated exactly per the same medieval standards under which the original barbaric acts were committed.

The problem here is that in the 21st Century having experienced the benefits of living in a Civil society the Muslim ummah wants to enjoy the benefits of it without any responsibilities from their part. As always is the case with any religious dispute with muslims ... it is always the case of "My way or highway".​

 

[rpant_gabba]

Its the EXAXCT opposite, if Muslims today feel emotionally/religiously attached to structures that came to be as a result of blatant in-your-face "Religious intolerance" (to put it very mildly) then they deserve to be treated exactly per the same medieval standards under which the original barbaric acts were committed.

The problem here is that in the 21st Century having experienced the benefits of living in a Civil society the Muslim ummah wants to enjoy the benefits of it without any responsibilities from their part. As always is the case with any religious dispute with muslims ... it is always the case of "My way or highway".​

Yup,

heads I win, tails u lose

Or

What is mine is mine, what is yours is up for debate

Or have the cake and eat it etc etc

 

[Itachi]

youve conflated two issues to try to make a point which doesnt stand on its own, yes accept what has happened as it is your history, but no it does not mean Islamic culture has importance over hindu culture.

you using the behaviour of 800 year old invaders as a yard stick to measure cultural standards towards people living in your own country is admitting that you are culturally stuck in the 1200s and view indian Muslims as a group to be conquered.



as expected, a non-sequitur since you don't have any point to make.

What should be a yard stick then? Can you give a time frame based upon which we can say that this is "modern" time frame thus we can act upon this framework?

 

[Itachi]

So Hindus were not clever enough to work out they were being exploited?

In my opinion, not clever enough.

European colonisers were shrwed and cunning (they had to) as poltical framework was mostly unstable.

 

[rpant_gabba]

In my opinion, not clever enough.

European colonisers were shrwed and cunning (they had to) as poltical framework was mostly unstable.

They were more keen on putting their neighbor down with the help or the brits or the french

 

[BouncerGuy]

I think this is enough of the derailment of this thread. Please stay on topic now.

 

[rpant_gabba]

so do tell us. how exactly players expressing their religion off the field become hindutva ideology?

did they pray in the field? did they try to convert other players on the team? convert members of other teams?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

so do tell us. how exactly players expressing their religion off the field become hindutva ideology?

did they pray in the field? did they try to convert other players on the team? convert members of other teams?

What if it is hindutva ideology? Why do you feel the need to deny on players behalf when they themselves are clearly proud of their hindutva?

 

[CricketCartoons]

youve conflated two issues to try to make a point which doesnt stand on its own, yes accept what has happened as it is your history, but no it does not mean Islamic culture has importance over hindu culture.

you using the behaviour of 800 year old invaders as a yard stick to measure cultural standards towards people living in your own country is admitting that you are culturally stuck in the 1200s and view indian Muslims as a group to be conquered.



as expected, a non-sequitur since you don't have any point to make.

Why not? BLM pulling down or vandalizing confederate icons is decolonization, but hindus pulling down structures built after demolishing their religious sites is religious supremacism? LOL

 

[Statpadder Inc]

What if it is hindutva ideology? Why do you feel the need to deny on players behalf when they themselves are clearly proud of their hindutva?

Which players have called themselves as hindutva. Mixing religion with sports is what pakistani cricketers do. Our players don't even thank god after winning.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which players have called themselves as hindutva. Mixing religion with sports is what pakistani cricketers do. Our players don't even thank god after winning.

That isn't answering the question. Why shouldn't a Bharati player align themselves with hindutva ideology? Is it something to hide?

 

[rpant_gabba]

What if it is hindutva ideology? Why do you feel the need to deny on players behalf when they themselves are clearly proud of their hindutva?

maybe thats where the confusion comes from for people like you.

what in your view is hindutva? Is that the same as visiting temples?

@FearlessRoar since you started this thread, maybe you can tell us what in your view is hindutva.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

That isn't answering the question. Why shouldn't a Bharati player align themselves with hindutva ideology? Is it something to hide?

Well they should and I am sure they do, but unlike some others they are smart enough to keep their personal life seperate from their professional one and understand the importance of not mixing sports with religion.
Pakistan was a great team before they became a bunch of religious men

 

[IMMY69]

It's somewhat eye opening, you could say comical if it wasn't so bad, when anything is said about RSS/Hndutva the usual posters pop up to defend it as if their lives depend on it.

There is no taking the high ground, just letting it go... afterall this is just a social media platform and what anyone says here is not gonna make the slightest difference.

Yet it happens each and every single time... a small gas lighting and boom, the explosion of nationalism courses through, word after word, page after page...

 

[uppercut]

It's somewhat eye opening, you could say comical if it wasn't so bad, when anything is said about RSS/Hndutva the usual posters pop up to defend it as if their lives depend on it.

There is no taking the high ground, just letting it go... afterall this is just one social media platform and what anyone says here is not gonna make the slightest difference.

Yet it happens each and every single time... a small gas lighting and boom, the explosion of nationalism courses through, word after word, page after page...

Have you noticed how the left leaning or anti-bjp Indian posters generally stay out of these discussions on Hinduism, Temple etc?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well they should and I am sure they do, but unlike some others they are smart enough to keep their personal life seperate from their professional one and understand the importance of not mixing sports with religion.
Pakistan was a great team before they became a bunch of religious men.

I agree with you about Pakistan team declining after the rise of the maulvis, but currently there's only one nation which is mixing sports with religion and their leadership rose to power on the promise of mosque demolition.

 

[run-out]

Have you noticed how the left leaning or anti-bjp Indian posters generally stay out of these discussions on Hinduism, Temple etc?

Do they have to take permission from Andh Bhakt?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do they have to take permission from Andh Bhakt?

What is andh bhakt?

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's somewhat eye opening, you could say comical if it wasn't so bad, when anything is said about RSS/Hndutva the usual posters pop up to defend it as if their lives depend on it.

There is no taking the high ground, just letting it go... afterall this is just a social media platform and what anyone says here is not gonna make the slightest difference.

Yet it happens each and every single time... a small gas lighting and boom, the explosion of nationalism courses through, word after word, page after page...

So we should let propaganda and lies go unchallenged?

I am a proud supporter of Hindutva and ready to challenge anyone who wants a debate. Just no shoot and scoot.

 

[ElRaja]

You are confusing it then because if that was the case thr next day of temple opening one wouldnt had so many worshippers , which clearly means they considered it holy.

nope, people can visit it as a political statement too, half the jews in Israel around the world are secular jews, yet support and finance a state founded on religious grounds due to their political beliefs.

It comes down to what stick you want to measure by.

If you are intend to measure india by first world standards, any discussion is a non starter.

by what you aspire too, if Pakistan is what you aspire too, then fine.

Why not? BLM pulling down or vandalizing confederate icons is decolonization, but hindus pulling down structures built after demolishing their religious sites is religious supremacism? LOL

because i dont support BLM or the removal of statues, i think its far more educational to teach people about the people those statues are made after, rather than trying to remove their existence in a futile attempt to rewrite history.

 

[rpant_gabba]

by what you aspire too, if Pakistan is what you aspire too, then fine.

inspiration and ambition gets tempered by resources.

As of now, India being a developing country, progress in this regard is going to take time.

 

[CricketCartoons]

because i dont support BLM or the removal of statues, i think its far more educational to teach people about the people those statues are made after, rather than trying to remove their existence in a futile attempt to rewrite history.

"Rewrite" is a wrong word to use. Removal of statues is not rewriting history. It doesnt deny that those people existed and did what they did. It only means we are not going to glorify them and treat them as icons anymore.

It is for those to decide whose community has been at the receiving end of atrocities and yet get to see those figures glorified which insults the honor of their community.

 

[ElRaja]

"Rewrite" is a wrong word to use. Removal of statues is not rewriting history. It doesnt deny that those people existed and did what they did. It only means we are not going to glorify them and treat them as icons anymore.

It is for those to decide whose community has been at the receiving end of atrocities and yet get to see those figures glorified which insults the honor of their community.

it is rewriting history when u remove the statues of people who funded the institutions and cities where those statues are placed, even if the money was made from ill gotten gains.