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Imad and Amir lost the game but Babar is being blamed somehow.
shinwari lost the game.
He's too soft. You got to have an almost bully-like personality to be a match winner. Softies can only go so far in cricket.
Babar has the skill and the temperament, it's the lack of ruthlessness and arrogance that is holding him back.
That was expected that he'll go for runs. 7.3 overs for 71 runs by two main bowlers with one bonus fluke wicket at the end.
He's already a match-winner, given that he averages 50+ with a SR of 85. Anyone who thinks otherwise either has an agenda or a skewed understanding of this sport.
Thats why ben stokes is a choker and kohli is god like in ODI wc
Strength of mind can never be judged by Physical appearence.
Lol what kind of a lame justification is that
Key players have to step up in key games. Opening bowlers set the tone. Cmon man. This is simple stuff
Extract his Akmal genes somehow and infuse some Kohli genes somehow.
He's has many of these opportunities. What will happen is he will score 20 odd then get out and start looking at his bat when dismissed.Babar has an excellent opportunity to cement his place in Pakistan's cricket history. He must score big for his team to win the first Test against South Africa. If he wants to leave a lasting legacy, tomorrow on Day 3 is the ideal time to do so.
Despite a long-running slump, Ramiz Raja is expecting Babar Azam to play an innings like his 196 vs Australia in Karachi.Babar has an excellent opportunity to cement his place in Pakistan's cricket history. He must score big for his team to win the first Test against South Africa. If he wants to leave a lasting legacy, tomorrow on Day 3 is the ideal time to do so.
StandardHe's already a match-winner, given that he averages 50+ with a SR of 85. Anyone who thinks otherwise either has an agenda or a skewed understanding of this sport.
I recall his 196 where he batted for a draw?Despite a long-running slump, Ramiz Raja is expecting Babar Azam to play an innings like his 196 vs Australia in Karachi.
Is this a realistic expectation in South African conditions?
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Math winners for the opposition yes.And here I was thinking Pakistani players are/have been match winners by default.
Math winners for the opposition yes.
Jokes aside, I dont hate him as an odi player. He is a good odi player but as massively overrated one since every team has 1 to 3 odi batters > Babar.
In test and t20 he should just quit. Wasn't anything special in both formats in prime and atm is atrocious.
Pakistani cricketers.I don’t understand these random terms like “match winner”.
What defines a “match winner”
In terms of batting who wins games on their own.. esp important ones.I don’t understand these random terms like “match winner”.
What defines a “match winner”
That’s quite an extreme statement. 50 overs provide ample time to build an innings. A strike rate of 88 is perfectly acceptable by today’s standards for someone averaging 58.He is a good ODI batsman specially keeping in mind the type of batsman who play for Pakistan. But let's face it, strike rate reigns supreme in today's age in LOI. I'd never want a specialist batsman in my team in this age who has a career SR of 88.21 like Babar does. And I'm speaking specifically of the 2 new ball era.
Sourav Ganguly was considered a brilliant ODI batsman with an SR of 73.70, but that was the pre new ball era. Those were the standards back then.
These are ridiculous subcontinental myths.In terms of batting who wins games on their own.. esp important ones.
Bevan is one of the biggest match winners, it used to be middle order batsmen but now the field is open even for openers to go all the way.
Saeed Anwar in many ways was a match winner for Pakistan along with Inzi and Razzak for a while.
Remove Zim from those stats and share the resultThat’s quite an extreme statement. 50 overs provide ample time to build an innings. A strike rate of 88 is perfectly acceptable by today’s standards for someone averaging 58.
For comparison, Kohli's strike rate is 93, meaning he typically scores 58 runs in 63 balls, whereas Babar achieves the same in 65 balls. A difference of two balls is hardly a deal breaker.
Now this is what we call having a superficial understanding.That’s quite an extreme statement. 50 overs provide ample time to build an innings. A strike rate of 88 is perfectly acceptable by today’s standards for someone averaging 58.
For comparison, Kohli's strike rate is 93, meaning he typically scores 58 runs in 63 balls, whereas Babar achieves the same in 65 balls. A difference of two balls is hardly a deal breaker.
Basic Indian troll: Complains that Babar's stats are inflated by performances against Zimbabwe.Remove Zim from those stats and share the result
Didn’t complain asked you to share.. since you brought in Virat to make a point.Basic Indian troll: Complains that Babar's stats are inflated by performances against Zimbabwe.
Advanced Indian troll: Acknowledges Babar didn’t just score against Zimbabwe but claims it was against second-rate top tier attacks.
These myths have been debunked so many times that it’s a waste of everyone’s time.
Either way, I’m not engaging further—don’t have time for this.![]()
This wasn’t a thread comparing Babar and Kohli, and I acknowledge Kohli is a better player.Now this is what we call having a superficial understanding.
First of all Kohli started his ODI career in 2008, that’s 8 years before Babar. At that time scoring rate was way lesser.
Secondly post WC 2015, the scoring rates started picking up and Kohli since then strikes at 96.5, which is basically 8 points above Babar.
Now the major difference is seen when you evaluate their ability to change gears, Babar doesn’t possess the ability to smash the opposition once he is set like Kohli, Kohli has the fifth gear, Babar doesn’t.
You can go and check yourself on cricinfo. It’s not that hard. You’re making the claim that he’s made most of his runs against Zimbabwe so onus is on you to prove your claim. Go educate yourself first instead of spreading miss information from social media.Didn’t complain asked you to share.. since you brought in Virat to make a point.
Removed HK,Nepal,ZimYou can go and check yourself on cricinfo. It’s not that hard. You’re making the claim that he’s made most of his runs against Zimbabwe so onus is on you to prove your claim. Go educate yourself first instead of spreading miss information from social media.
Removed HK,Nepal,Zim
Avg: 53.8
SR: 87.10
Hope that helps , that’s not good enough
For Kohli the Avg and SR improves on those filters.. marginally yes but still.Hopefully that answered your question ?
So the same for ones you want to compare him against to get applies to apples
That's BS. If it were the case than Stokes wouldn't have won England two WCs after bottling one massivelyMatch winners are born , not made.
Babar vs Ganguly is like a kid vs an adult. It's an unfair comparison brother.He is a good ODI batsman specially keeping in mind the type of batsman who play for Pakistan. But let's face it, strike rate reigns supreme in today's age in LOI. I'd never want a specialist batsman in my team in this age who has a career SR of 88.21 like Babar does. And I'm speaking specifically of the 2 new ball era.
Sourav Ganguly was considered a brilliant ODI batsman with an SR of 73.70, but that was the pre new ball era. Those were the standards back then.
Also Ganguly was an opener and had Sachin with him who can rotate the strikeHe is a good ODI batsman specially keeping in mind the type of batsman who play for Pakistan. But let's face it, strike rate reigns supreme in today's age in LOI. I'd never want a specialist batsman in my team in this age who has a career SR of 88.21 like Babar does. And I'm speaking specifically of the 2 new ball era.
Sourav Ganguly was considered a brilliant ODI batsman with an SR of 73.70, but that was the pre new ball era. Those were the standards back then.
No 3 and openers aren't too different. 99% of the time a no 3 will usually come in at ovwrs 1 to 7 anyway in odi.Also Ganguly was an opener and had Sachin with him who can rotate the strike
Ganguly is possibly the worst runner between the wickets I have ever seen.Also Ganguly was an opener and had Sachin with him who can rotate the strike
Yup. Babar is a better batter than anyone in India’s test and ODI teams bar Rohit and Kohli, who are also past their prime. There are some promising prospects but no one mature enough to carry the team.There is only 1 outstanding #3 batter in ODI cricket since Babar 's debut and that's Kohli.
There's a case for Babar being the best of the rest but the differences are much more marginal
lol no.Yup. Babar is a better batter than anyone in India’s test and ODI teams bar Rohit and Kohli, who are also past their prime. There are some promising prospects but no one mature enough to carry the team.
Pant is a flukey player. I am not convinced he will have a successful long career with this technique.lol no.
Pant, KL in tests > Babar
Neither of them with their current records are ATGs but it's Babar Azam we are comparing with, not Joe Root.Pant is a flukey player. I am not convinced he will have a successful long career with this technique.
KL Rahul averages 35 after 56 games. He’s in a purple patch don’t get overexcited
Neither of them with their current records are ATGs but it's Babar Azam we are comparing with, not Joe Root.
What Pant WILL HAVE is a matter for another day. Let's talk about what he has. He has got centuries in SA, Aus, Eng (X2) and was architect of an epic chase at the Gabba in 2021. Babar has 1 century outside Asia and no test innings which comes close to the Gabba chase. Rishabh averages 42.25 and Babar 43.92 without Rishabh getting to bat in the highways Babar has.
KL is no great player. Just an okay player who has got into a purple patch. But Babar doesn't even have that purple patch. KL averages 35 compared to Babar's 43 cause
1. he opens
2. he doesn't get to statpad on Pakistani highways
Both KL and Babar average 33 outside Asia but KL opens and has 6 centuries compared to Babar's 1. Helped India win at Lord's 21 as well as Centurion 21. Mind you this is KL's overall average. If we look at last 3-4 years Babar's stats will be even more damning.
KL/Pant also have some good innings at home to win against Aus/Eng on tough turning pitches (KL in Bangalore 17 vs Aus, Pant in Ahmedabad 21 vs Eng). Babar has won ZERO match/series winning innings against the top teams even at home. In fact in all of the home series he has scored runs (Aus 22, Eng 22, NZ 23), he has been outbatted by opposition batters.
Personally, I rate KL higher than Pant. Hes got a great technique and overtime he will only get better and better the more he plays and gains experience.Neither of them with their current records are ATGs but it's Babar Azam we are comparing with, not Joe Root.
What Pant WILL HAVE is a matter for another day. Let's talk about what he has. He has got centuries in SA, Aus, Eng (X2) and was architect of an epic chase at the Gabba in 2021. Babar has 1 century outside Asia and no test innings which comes close to the Gabba chase. Rishabh averages 42.25 and Babar 43.92 without Rishabh getting to bat in the highways Babar has.
KL is no great player. Just an okay player who has got into a purple patch. But Babar doesn't even have that purple patch. KL averages 35 compared to Babar's 43 cause
1. he opens
2. he doesn't get to statpad on Pakistani highways
Both KL and Babar average 33 outside Asia but KL opens and has 6 centuries compared to Babar's 1. Helped India win at Lord's 21 as well as Centurion 21. Mind you this is KL's overall average. If we look at last 3-4 years Babar's stats will be even more damning.
KL/Pant also have some good innings at home to win against Aus/Eng on tough turning pitches (KL in Bangalore 17 vs Aus, Pant in Ahmedabad 21 vs Eng). Babar has won ZERO match/series winning innings against the top teams even at home. In fact in all of the home series he has scored runs (Aus 22, Eng 22, NZ 23), he has been outbatted by opposition batters.
lol no.
Pant, KL in tests > Babar
White ball Babar is better than both I agree but red ball the other two have better credentials.Personally, I rate KL higher than Pant. Hes got a great technique and overtime he will only get better and better the more he plays and gains experience.
Pant is an excellent batter too but with his technique, I am not sure I can say the same.
Overall, I think all 3 are good, but I genuinely think Babar is a tier above both across formats. His form is terrible right now, but this is a neutral assessment.
From the times of "the fab 5" to being better than KL lol.There are a lot of 80s and 90s outside Asia. This stat has been debunked. 100 is just a magic number.
As for ceiling, bookmark this post. Babar Azam has a better technique than both KL and Pant, and overall, he is well
Poised to achieve more by the end of his career then Either Kela or Pant.
And he is gone after scoring 50 off 85. Our hopes of seeing him win the game for Pakistan will have to wait.After 733 days, Babar Azam scores a 50+ in Test cricket (18 innings) on Day 3 of the first Test against South Africa.
Finally, the streak is over for him. Can he lead Pakistan to victory in the Test match from here?
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