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Pakistan Shaheens for T20s: Rohail Nazir (captain, wicketkeeper), Abdullah Shafiq, Amad Butt, Danish Aziz, Haider Ali, Haris Rauf, Hussain Talat, Iftikhar Ahmed, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Hasnain, Musa Khan, Usman Qadir, Wahab Riaz, Zafar Gohar and Zeeshan Malik.

Upcoming matches:

27 Dec – 1st T20 v Northern Knights, Hamilton
29 Dec – 2nd T20 v Wellington Firebirds, Wellington
1 Jan – 3rd T20 v Canterbury, Lincoln
3 Jan – 4th T20 v New Zealand XI, Lincoln
5 Jan – 5th T20 v New Zealand XI, Lincoln
 
What's the point of picking Wahab Riaz and Iftikhar Ahmed in this squad?
 
Not that there’s really anything to hope for, but I hope this XI plays:

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Zeeshan Malik
3. Haider Ali (vc)
4. Rohail Nazir (wk) (c)
5. Hussain Talat
6. Khushdil Shah
7. Danish Aziz
8. Amad Butt
9. Usman Qadir
10. Mohammad Hasnain
11. Haris Rauf

Zafar Gohar and Musa Khan to swap in for 2 matches.
 
Obsession with non performing experienced players. As results are not important it shows deeply muddled thinking

Most countries use their 2nd tier teams for youngsters and upcoming players, whereas our lot pick 40 year olds.
 
Most countries use their 2nd tier teams for youngsters and upcoming players, whereas our lot pick 40 year olds.

Just thank lucky stars there are only 2 in this team. Stupidity is too kind a word to describe these morons
 
Good squad overall. Speaking for the 40+ we also deserve a chance to show off once in a while. glad its mostly youngsters though.
 
Pakistan Shaheens for T20s: Rohail Nazir (captain, wicketkeeper), Abdullah Shafiq, Amad Butt, Danish Aziz, Haider Ali, Haris Rauf, Hussain Talat, Iftikhar Ahmed, Khushdil Shah, Mohammad Hasnain, Musa Khan, Usman Qadir, Wahab Riaz, Zafar Gohar and Zeeshan Malik.

Upcoming matches:

27 Dec – 1st T20 v Northern Knights, Hamilton
29 Dec – 2nd T20 v Wellington Firebirds, Wellington
1 Jan – 3rd T20 v Canterbury, Lincoln
3 Jan – 4th T20 v New Zealand XI, Lincoln
5 Jan – 5th T20 v New Zealand XI, Lincoln

I just dont see the point of selecting experienced international players, for a tour of the shaheens . Shaheens are equivalent to the lions side from england are meant to be young or up and coming players on the fringe of selection for the national side.

W.riaz, musa khan, iftikhar ahmad should not have been selected.
 
I just dont see the point of selecting experienced international players, for a tour of the shaheens . Shaheens are equivalent to the lions side from england are meant to be young or up and coming players on the fringe of selection for the national side.

W.riaz, musa khan, iftikhar ahmad should not have been selected.

It's basically the leftovers from the main squad.

Did you want them to just pick a 12 player squad and send these 3 back?
 
Interesting enough Imad Waseem is not part of tests and not part of Shaheen’s and his attitude at end of second T20 shows he is not happy with being ignored as captain and player. I think over all he adds more value to the team then Shadab
 
Interesting enough Imad Waseem is not part of tests and not part of Shaheen’s and his attitude at end of second T20 shows he is not happy with being ignored as captain and player. I think over all he adds more value to the team then Shadab

He is far better than Shadab. Really surprised why he is batting so down while Shadab is coming at 4. They should swap
 
Interesting enough Imad Waseem is not part of tests and not part of Shaheen’s and his attitude at end of second T20 shows he is not happy with being ignored as captain and player. I think over all he adds more value to the team then Shadab

Defonitely doesn't add more value than shadab but yeah i agree hes un happy that he isnt captain you could tell in the second t20
 
my shaheens team

Abdullah shafique
Zeeshan Malik
Haider ali
Rohail nazir
Talat
Danish aziz
Khushdil
Ammad butt
Qadir 3 games then gohar for 2 games
Husnain 2 games then 3 for rauf
Musa
 
What's the point of picking Wahab Riaz and Iftikhar Ahmed in this squad?

My guess is that the management know that neither Wahab nor Iftikhar will play any role in the test series and so they have released them to join the Shaheen squad; rather than warm the benches with the test team.

I agree with you that any junior not required in the test squad should play ahead of these oldies, but if all the younger bowlers are in contention/required as emergency back ups in case of injury etc, then it makes sense for Wahab and Ifti to take their place in the Shaheens squad.
 
Interesting enough Imad Waseem is not part of tests and not part of Shaheen’s and his attitude at end of second T20 shows he is not happy with being ignored as captain and player. I think over all he adds more value to the team then Shadab

Imad Wasim is flying to Australia to play in the Big Bash.
 
I know that there's the T20 WC but I don't like 5 T20 matches for the shaheens instead of a few more FC games. The PCB should be emphasizing FC games for Shaheens, that's where we can test out promising youngsters. Promising youngsters are missing out on valuable FC experience in foreign conditions and by being selected are kept away from domestic Fc cricket as well.
 
It's basically the leftovers from the main squad.

Did you want them to just pick a 12 player squad and send these 3 back?

I think you've missed the point, the 3 mentioned are not good enough for national selection, they have been tried and tested. Therefore select upcoming players, who can develop on tour. Just have a look at what England have done with the Lions. Send players that or on the verge of making it to the national squad.
 
I think you've missed the point, the 3 mentioned are not good enough for national selection, they have been tried and tested. Therefore select upcoming players, who can develop on tour. Just have a look at what England have done with the Lions. Send players that or on the verge of making it to the national squad.

Musa Khan is a tried and tested player after 2 T20Is?

They already took 35 players, how many more did you want them to take? With the protocols and special visas needed, it's not like they can just fly over some new kids.

Wahab Riaz & Iftikhar Ahmad weren't needed in the Test Squad so they sent them over so that the Shaheens aren't operating with a 12 player squad.
 
I know that there's the T20 WC but I don't like 5 T20 matches for the shaheens instead of a few more FC games. The PCB should be emphasizing FC games for Shaheens, that's where we can test out promising youngsters. Promising youngsters are missing out on valuable FC experience in foreign conditions and by being selected are kept away from domestic Fc cricket as well.

Agreed. We harp on about the importance of overseas trips to expose our youngsters to foreign conditions to compete better in away Test series, yet waste these rare opportunities with an overload of T20s.

There's a concerning imbalance generally between FC and T20 cricket when you look at our youngsters.

Mohammad Hasnain: 2 FC matches. 45 T20s.
Musa Khan: 9 FC matches. 26 T20s.
Haider Ali: 8 FC matches. 32 T20s.
Abdullah Shafiq: 1 FC match. 13 T20s.
Shaheen Afridi: 17 FC matches. 68 T20s.
 
Defonitely doesn't add more value than shadab but yeah i agree hes un happy that he isnt captain you could tell in the second t20

Imad's batting is much better than that of Shadab because Imad has placement and is more technically correct.

His bowling is economical and he bowls in the powerplay and concedes around 6-7 runs per over, whereas Shadab bowls in the middle overs and still gives about 10-12 runs per over.

Imad is far more valuable to the team setup at the moment, and it is criminal that he isn't being used to his full potential.

Never have I seen an instance were the team has tried to use him in the finisher role, which is disgraceful. He is a vital part of the team, and the way we are treating him is poor. Shadab has done nothing notable to earn captaincy for the national team, Imad just won the PSL V Trophy as well.
 
Interesting enough Imad Waseem is not part of tests and not part of Shaheen’s and his attitude at end of second T20 shows he is not happy with being ignored as captain and player. I think over all he adds more value to the team then Shadab

I agree that our management is wasting such a valuable player.

He was clearly unhappy with Shadab's captaincy when he was not bowled enough and sent to bat too far down the order to make an impact.

He is a much more polished batsman compared with Shadab, and he should be allowed to bat higher and bowl where he normally does. We missed a trick in that second T20 by not trying him in the powerplay, where he is quite effective.
 
Imad's batting is much better than that of Shadab because Imad has placement and is more technically correct.

His bowling is economical and he bowls in the powerplay and concedes around 6-7 runs per over, whereas Shadab bowls in the middle overs and still gives about 10-12 runs per over.

Imad is far more valuable to the team setup at the moment, and it is criminal that he isn't being used to his full potential.

Never have I seen an instance were the team has tried to use him in the finisher role, which is disgraceful. He is a vital part of the team, and the way we are treating him is poor. Shadab has done nothing notable to earn captaincy for the national team, Imad just won the PSL V Trophy as well.

Imad isnt a more technical correct player than Shadab if he was he would have been in and around the test squad as a batting all rounder.

Of course his bowling is economical thats his job were shadab job is to take wickets.

Even in KK am sure he hardly promoted himself baring a few times. Mickey and wasim both said shadab is captain material .KK had a good team
 
Agreed. We harp on about the importance of overseas trips to expose our youngsters to foreign conditions to compete better in away Test series, yet waste these rare opportunities with an overload of T20s.

There's a concerning imbalance generally between FC and T20 cricket when you look at our youngsters.

Mohammad Hasnain: 2 FC matches. 45 T20s.
Musa Khan: 9 FC matches. 26 T20s.
Haider Ali: 8 FC matches. 32 T20s.
Abdullah Shafiq: 1 FC match. 13 T20s.
Shaheen Afridi: 17 FC matches. 68 T20s.

Shaheen worries me, since I feel he is the most important asset out of all here. Shaheen has struggled a bit in Tests recently in Australia and then in England, and bowling to right handers has been an issue for him. He was getting lots of swing but his natural angle of attack was wrong and negated the movement. He needed guidance on how to overcome that, great example in Boult who took it to the next level and bowled slightly round-armish in the WC to get best angle of attack. One can only hope he got the guidance but he could have used the chance to practice and hone his craft against NZ-A.

Pakistan need to invest heavily into A-team cricket and emphasis should be on FC cricket. Take the Shaheens along on every single away tour, especially to SENA countries, aim to get them 9+ FC games a year. This is the only way we can get the maximum out of available resources. Young players should be put through 9-10 FC games for the Shaheens in order to help separate the men from the boys.
 
Imad isnt a more technical correct player than Shadab if he was he would have been in and around the test squad as a batting all rounder.

Of course his bowling is economical thats his job were shadab job is to take wickets.

Even in KK am sure he hardly promoted himself baring a few times. Mickey and wasim both said shadab is captain material .KK had a good team

ISLU also had a very good team and a very good chance to qualify, but they messed it up with their own lackluster form. One only needs to consider Imad's batting averages in domestic competitions to realize that he is a far better batsman than Shadab.

Imad Wasim:

FC Average: 40.7

List A Average: 37.5

T20 Average: 12.8

Shadab Khan:

FC Average: 27.1

List A Average: 26.2

T20 Average: 15.9
 
ISLU also had a very good team and a very good chance to qualify, but they messed it up with their own lackluster form. One only needs to consider Imad's batting averages in domestic competitions to realize that he is a far better batsman than Shadab.

Imad Wasim:

FC Average: 40.7

List A Average: 37.5

T20 Average: 12.8

Shadab Khan:

FC Average: 27.1

List A Average: 26.2

T20 Average: 15.9

Do you have bowling stats and strike rate in in batting . why isnt he playing for pakistan in tests as a batting all rounder.shadab is til better investment.
 
ISLU also had a very good team and a very good chance to qualify, but they messed it up with their own lackluster form. One only needs to consider Imad's batting averages in domestic competitions to realize that he is a far better batsman than Shadab.

Imad Wasim:

FC Average: 40.7 SR: 49.8

List A Average: 37.5 SR: 100.7, his ODI SR is 110.29

T20 Average: 12.8 Average is actually 19.52 with a SR of 126.55

Shadab Khan:

FC Average: 27.1 SR: 67.61

List A Average: 26.2 SR: 78.76

T20 Average: 15.9 SR: 133 and average is about 17.88

As far as the bowling is concerned:

Imad Wasim:

FC: 77 games, 141 wickets, 31.14 average

List A: 116 games, 117 wickets, 36.57 average, ER of 4.68

T20: 200 games, 172 wickets, 25.39 average, ER of 6.47

Shadab Khan:

FC: 17 games, 68 wickets, 25.77 average

List A: 56 games, 80 wickets, 29.16 average, ER of 5.21

T20: 139 games, 164 wickets, 21.82 average, ER of 7.1

On paper, Imad is a better batsman whereas Shadab is a better bowler, though I rate Imad much higher for two reasons:

His batting is good enough to be on the ODI team alone and his economical bowling style in the powerplay is necessary for the team.

Secondly, he offers a lot more batting with a very little compromise on bowling, because Shadab's batting isn't too great to call him an all-rounder, and the team could replace him with Usman Qadir without much harm.

Both are good players, but moving to your question about why Imad doesn't play tests, that's a mystery to me as well. I read some interview/article a few years ago, and I don't know how reliable it was, but it said that he didn't play tests because his body couldn't handle it.
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Imad's batting is much better than that of Shadab because Imad has placement and is more technically correct.

His bowling is economical and he bowls in the powerplay and concedes around 6-7 runs per over, whereas Shadab bowls in the middle overs and still gives about 10-12 runs per over.

Imad is far more valuable to the team setup at the moment, and it is criminal that he isn't being used to his full potential.

Never have I seen an instance were the team has tried to use him in the finisher role, which is disgraceful. He is a vital part of the team, and the way we are treating him is poor. Shadab has done nothing notable to earn captaincy for the national team, Imad just won the PSL V Trophy as well.

All this is amplified when you look at Imad's stats which are outstanding. An average of 42.86 and a strike-rate of 110 in ODIs. How many all-rounders in the world have numbers like that?

Even in T20Is he has a strike-rate of 146. And yet somehow he happens to be batting at No.8.
 
Do you have bowling stats and strike rate in in batting . why isnt he playing for pakistan in tests as a batting all rounder.shadab is til better investment.

What Imad brings with the ball cannot be summed up in stats. He offers something unique. He is not a wicket-taking bowler but someone who builds pressure and forces the batsmen to make mistakes.
 
What Imad brings with the ball cannot be summed up in stats. He offers something unique. He is not a wicket-taking bowler but someone who builds pressure and forces the batsmen to make mistakes.

Or takes the shine of the ball and makes the pacers even more innocuous.
 
What Imad brings with the ball cannot be summed up in stats. He offers something unique. He is not a wicket-taking bowler but someone who builds pressure and forces the batsmen to make mistakes.

What does he bring other thsn being economical and wasting the new ball
 
Looking forward to this more than seniors. I really hope Abdullah Shafiq and Haider Ali perform
 
Monday 28 December 2020

Wellington Firebirds squad v Pakistan A
Michael Bracewell (c)
Finn Allen
Fraser Colson
Devon Conway
Jamie Gibson
Lauchie Johns
Troy Johnson
Adam Leonard
Iain McPeake
Rachin Ravindra
Michael Snedden
Peter Younghusband

Wellington Firebirds v Pakistan A
Tuesday 29 December 2020 | 2.40pm
Basin Reserve, Wellington
 
Jeet Raval will captain a New Zealand XI side full of Under 19 stars and the son of 78 time international Chris Pringle, in two upcoming T20s against the Pakistan Sheehans in Christchurch in the New Year.

Raval last played for the BLACKCAPS a year ago and has been in good form for Northern Districts in the Ford Trophy, following a move south from Auckland in the off-season.

Following their run to the ICC Under 19 World Cup semi-finals in South Africa earlier this year, Rhys Mariu, Fergus Lellman, Adithya Ashok, Quinn Sunde and Will O’Rourke have all been included in their first senior representative squads.

Following in the cricketing footsteps of his father Chris, left-arm spinning all-rounder Tim Pringle features in his first New Zealand XI squad.

In-form Canterbury quick Fraser Sheat has also been included after taking 21 domestic wickets in his first six appearances this season.

Northern Districts batsman Joe Carter, Wellington’s Jakob Bhula, Otago Volts pace-bowler Jarrod McKay and Canterbury all-rounder Henry Shipley are the other domestically contracted players.

Otago Volts coach Rob Walter will take charge of the side for the two matches on January 3 and 5 at Bert Sutcliffe Oval in Lincoln, with Bob Carter and Paul Wiseman in support.

Wiseman, who was head coach of the New Zealand Under 19s in South Africa, said the two games against Pakistan A presented a valuable opportunity for the next generation of Kiwi cricketers.

“This will be a fantastic learning experience against world-class opponents,” Wiseman said.

“It will certainly be a step up for our guys and a great chance for us to see how they respond to that challenge.

“We’re lucky to have Jeet Raval and Joe Carter in the squad with all their first class experience and I know the younger players will benefit a lot from sharing a changing room with them.

“The New Zealand XI and A programme is a proven talent pathway for NZC and we’re hopeful some of these players will take the chance to put their hands up for higher honours.”

New Zealand XI
Jeet Raval (c) (Northern Districts)
Rhys Mariu (Canterbury)
Jakob Bhula (Wellington)
Joe Carter (Northern Districts)
Fergus Lellman (Northern Districts)
Henry Shipley (Canterbury)
Ryan Harrison (Auckland)
Quinn Sunde (Auckland)
Tim Pringle (Northern Districts)
Adithya Ashok (Auckland)
Fraser Sheat (Canterbury)
Jarrod McKay (Otago)
Will O’Rourke (Canterbury)

1st T20: January 3, Bert Sutcliffe Oval, Lincoln – 11am
2nd T20: January 5, Bert Sutcliffe Oval, Lincoln – 11am
 
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