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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] "I am thinking of launching a brand called Parchi": Imam-ul-Haq

Imam crosses the 3000 runs mark in ODIs in 67 matches. He's averaging 49.85 and striking at 82.17 yet still looks like the weak link in this batting lineup
 
He has lost the plot recently. Badly out of form and short on confidence.
 
Saj said:
Obvious weakness to the short ball.

Any bowler with half a brain knows this.
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Cardboard cut out batsmen who has done nothing to improve his game.

Playing pathetic safety 1st cricket in odis

He deserves this failure
 
Imam got a long ODI career after scoring 3 hundreds against Zimbabwe club xi he can now if Inzimam allows him to concentrate on his Parchi brand after this World Cup.

:inzi2
 
His World Cup numbers:

10 innings
332 runs
Average 33.2
Strike rate 77.03

Legend
 
A nice guy, who seems to have a good technique but lacks the street smartness of some players who have reached the top starting from very poor background. He doesn’t know what’s it like to play under pressure to score something or else it will all go away.

This where guys like Dhoni , Babar Azam, Kohli are ahead because they came out of nowhere with no god rather. They have that dog in them.
 
Saj said:
His World Cup numbers:

10 innings
332 runs
Average 33.2
Strike rate 77.03

Legend
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Imam is pathetic as ODI batsman and he should be out of the team.... but here are some other legends in World Cup matches..

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Fakhar should never of been dropped its this guy that needed benching.
 
His comparison with current openers since 1/1/2021.

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He doesn't have much natural ability, he looks to be a highly coached player and when under pressure he reverts back to mediocre ability. Fitness and mobility could improve too.
 
Hitman said:
A nice guy, but just not good enough.
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He's not nice. He's the epitome of arrogance. Ik itisam bro, he's inzi's son. Imam is the definition of not nice.

Like He's nice as in he's chill and a decent person off the field but in cricket as a batsmen he has a fragile ego and just outright attacks if someone say something to him about his batting or ask him to increase SR.

Most players like rizzu, Babar, Sheddy fakhar etc etc just ignore and don't bother replying to twitter comments.
 
Better up his game or Fakhar is back in and he'll be carrying the drinks.
 
Imam aint going to win you the 330+ games.

But he can play a role with the middling 270-290 targets on semi difficult wickets.
 
Imam failed miserably in recent games. He needs to come up with sensational innings or he is gonna be out soon. or at least he should he dropped on the next series.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's not nice. He's the epitome of arrogance. Ik itisam bro, he's inzi's son. Imam is the definition of not nice.

Like He's nice as in he's chill and a decent person off the field but in cricket as a batsmen he has a fragile ego and just outright attacks if someone say something to him about his batting or ask him to increase SR.

Most players like rizzu, Babar, Sheddy fakhar etc etc just ignore and don't bother replying to twitter comments.
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Do you expect him to be nice when the entirety of Pakistan has shouted "parchi" at him throughout his ENTIRE career when he did not deserve for it at least 90% of his career.

Imam has some top quality innings against top bowling attacks. It is only recently that he has become completely useless.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Do you expect him to be nice when the entirety of Pakistan has shouted "parchi" at him throughout his ENTIRE career when he did not deserve for it at least 90% of his career.

Imam has some top quality innings against top bowling attacks. It is only recently that he has become completely useless.
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Whether he deserved it or not doesn't matter much, Rizzu dealt with 100x more hate, and only now has the storm weathered out with only a few trolls left.

Did he go onto media and attack anyone? Also he's not defending himself as much as he's stating how he's pretty much untouchable.

Rizzu in 2015 was garbage, Babar in 2016 couldn't even take singles or hit properly minus one cover drive, Babar got lucky he played against Zimbabwe and west indies.

Imam in 2018 was ironically superior to 2015 rizzu and 2016 Babar. Yet now after extended runs both Babar and rizzu have surpassed imam and left him in the dust, it isn't even close.

Same way saud and Abdullah are improving, Saud went from a wall in the NZ test to the best test player for pak In Sri Lanka same with Abdullah as well.

Do you know why? It's because these players have adopted a growth mindset on improving after being given extended runs.

Imam has the technique, but unlike the others who worked on their shortcomings (Rizzu against spin, Babar when rotating strike, Saud on his SR, Abdullah on his lack of Confidence)

Imam hasn't worked on anything despite having talent and technique. He peaked in 2018 on debut because he was more focused on making fun of the people who mocked him and branding himself on twitter that he lost all his fitness, and in 5 years hasn't worked on any of his shortcomings like Sr, issues with short ball etc.

He's Inzi's nephew, Talent runs in the family, but all these players are surpassing him deapite imam debuing with a far far higher ceiling then these guys. But chalo, IMAM arrogance Zindabad.

It is these types of Imam, Umar Akmal, Shehzad players who never improve, Shehzad make a century on debut, Umar was stated to be the next big thing, Wanna know whats common with these 2? They peaked on debut and bowlers figured them out cause they were more focused on media hype and the selfie model shehzad memes.
 
mominsaigol said:
Whether he deserved it or not doesn't matter much, Rizzu dealt with 100x more hate, and only now has the storm weathered out with only a few trolls left.

Did he go onto media and attack anyone? Also he's not defending himself as much as he's stating how he's pretty much untouchable.

Rizzu in 2015 was garbage, Babar in 2016 couldn't even take singles or hit properly minus one cover drive, Babar got lucky he played against Zimbabwe and west indies.

Imam in 2018 was ironically superior to 2015 rizzu and 2016 Babar. Yet now after extended runs both Babar and rizzu have surpassed imam and left him in the dust, it isn't even close.

Same way saud and Abdullah are improving, Saud went from a wall in the NZ test to the best test player for pak In Sri Lanka same with Abdullah as well.

Do you know why? It's because these players have adopted a growth mindset on improving after being given extended runs.

Imam has the technique, but unlike the others who worked on their shortcomings (Rizzu against spin, Babar when rotating strike, Saud on his SR, Abdullah on his lack of Confidence)

Imam hasn't worked on anything despite having talent and technique. He peaked in 2018 on debut because he was more focused on making fun of the people who mocked him and branding himself on twitter that he lost all his fitness, and in 5 years hasn't worked on any of his shortcomings like Sr, issues with short ball etc.

He's Inzi's nephew, Talent runs in the family, but all these players are surpassing him deapite imam debuing with a far far higher ceiling then these guys. But chalo, IMAM arrogance Zindabad.

It is these types of Imam, Umar Akmal, Shehzad players who never improve, Shehzad make a century on debut, Umar was stated to be the next big thing, Wanna know whats common with these 2? They peaked on debut and bowlers figured them out cause they were more focused on media hype and the selfie model shehzad memes.
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Spot on.

Imam's biggest failure is his inability or unwillingness to work on his weaknesses. The foundation is there for a great batsman because he's technically respectable but most of the issues he had as a debutant are still there to this day. That's simply unacceptable at this level.

I think one of the reasons is his initial selection was too early. Whether it's nepotism or not isn't something I will touch but there's no doubt that let him down because he needed to iron things out at the domestic level before joining the big boys. He's now found a comfort zone and likely thinks a high average is enough even if it comes at a snail's pace or he gets worked over by better bowlers.

He's let himself down by not having a good enough work ethic. It's now showing through his fitness, fielding, and batting. There's a much better batsman there if he's willing to put the work in.

The guy needs to reflect on this or someone needs to sit him down to come up with a plan for the next 12-18 months. He still has time to elevate his game and have a great 3-5 years.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's not nice. He's the epitome of arrogance. Ik itisam bro, he's inzi's son. Imam is the definition of not nice.

Like He's nice as in he's chill and a decent person off the field but in cricket as a batsmen he has a fragile ego and just outright attacks if someone say something to him about his batting or ask him to increase SR.

Most players like rizzu, Babar, Sheddy fakhar etc etc just ignore and don't bother replying to twitter comments.
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100% agree with this.

@Hitman

He's not nice. If anything, you could argue he's the most arrogant cricketer who's ever played for Pakistan. The reason I say that is because he's the only Pakistani player who's ever said "I'm automatic selection".

If I was the captain or a selector, I would never want a player with this kind of mindset playing for my team because he has the worst attitude to succeed and improve his game.

I actually enjoyed what I saw from him yesterday with his dropped catch and dismissal from the short ball because it's what he deserves. If he was serious about improving his cricket he would've addressed these issues by now. You can't be getting bounced out to a below-par Sri Lankan pacer on a low bounce subcontinent wicket.

Also, him coming out saying that's he thinking of launching a brand called parchi shows he thinks too much of himself.

If he was actually a decent cricketer, you could excuse him but he has no talent. He would be a nobody if it wasn't for his connection with Inzamam.
 
topspin said:
100% agree with this.

@Hitman

He's not nice. If anything, you could argue he's the most arrogant cricketer who's ever played for Pakistan. The reason I say that is because he's the only Pakistani player who's ever said "I'm automatic selection".

If I was the captain or a selector, I would never want a player with this kind of mindset playing for my team because he has the worst attitude to succeed and improve his game.

I actually enjoyed what I saw from him yesterday with his dropped catch and dismissal from the short ball because it's what he deserves. If he was serious about improving his cricket he would've addressed these issues by now. You can't be getting bounced out to a below-par Sri Lankan pacer on a low bounce subcontinent wicket.

Also, him coming out saying that's he thinking of launching a brand called parchi shows he thinks too much of himself.

If he was actually a decent cricketer, you could excuse him but he has no talent. He would be a nobody if it wasn't for his connection with Inzamam.
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He really said that? When?
 
kingusama92 said:
Spot on.

Imam's biggest failure is his inability or unwillingness to work on his weaknesses. The foundation is there for a great batsman because he's technically respectable but most of the issues he had as a debutant are still there to this day. That's simply unacceptable at this level.

I think one of the reasons is his initial selection was too early. Whether it's nepotism or not isn't something I will touch but there's no doubt that let him down because he needed to iron things out at the domestic level before joining the big boys. He's now found a comfort zone and likely thinks a high average is enough even if it comes at a snail's pace or he gets worked over by better bowlers.

He's let himself down by not having a good enough work ethic. It's now showing through his fitness, fielding, and batting. There's a much better batsman there if he's willing to put the work in.

The guy needs to reflect on this or someone needs to sit him down to come up with a plan for the next 12-18 months. He still has time to elevate his game and have a great 3-5 years.
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No his debut was fine. He was solid in the domestic circuit. Same with babar and rizzu, their debut were fine, they were dominating in domestic.

Thing is this is international, out of 5000+ players in domestic, You are now no longer playing with bowlers who may be Average, may be good etc, you are playing with the worlds best.

No more trundles, time to face stark, Kuldeep etc.

Normally most players on debut are trash, talent nonsense doesn't exist. Talent isn't born, it's cultivated, something SENA and India know how to do, via playing 2nd strings, rotating strike, giving extended runs etc etc and Management having very very tight restrictions on how players shpuld behave and improve.

Babar would have gotten thrashed had he played top teams, people forget just how bad babar use to be, just watch highlights on YouTube sports central on his debut match against Zimbabwe, The guy looks as if he's playing in antartica and shivering all over the place.

It was the same with saud, his 50 against NZ of 179 balls was the worst I've ever seen.

However i adovocated saud after watching him play in the Sri lanka series.

It was the same with Gill, he couldn't even move in the crease properly, Sachin took 70 innings to score a century.

As long as you have a growth mindset and a good management who backs you, you will succeed. Despite sanju not being selected, Management and kohli is still clearly working in him and sanju will become frontline soon enough.

Rizwan was a tailender against spin, now the dude has never once gotten out playing the sweep and his sr with that shot is 200. Babar easily is the best player of pace and has the best stances, Saud is defo our best striker and Abdullah is shaping up to a world class front foot and back foot player.

In these 5 years what has Imam done? Same problems, same story.

It was the same with shehzad as well, The guy was good, legends who were comparing him to ATG's weren't delusional, however his limitations were that he was weak against anything angling into him and Lacked any form of strike rotation. He didn't improve since day 1 due to his selfie nonsense and eventually bowlers just kept bolwing onto his pads and kept dismissing him. With Imam bowlers bowl short and dismiss him.

Point is, Players first improve at domestic, get a reality check at international and slowly improve at international, but that only happens if they adopt a growth mindset and Management like ours doesn't panic because they don't come good right off the bat and their persisted with. In imam's case he was persisted with but he's Fodder due to thinking he's world class on debut. If anything that century in debut is ironically his downfall lol.
 
W63L35 said:
Imam is pathetic as ODI batsman and he should be out of the team.... but here are some other legends in World Cup matches..

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Only Anwar, Abbas, Haris & Babar truly had impact & didn't play miserable match losing knocks. Miandad, Aamer & Imran played some important knocks but are also equally guilty of playing some truly head scratching knocks. Specially Miandad & Imran had some shockingly horror shows in 92, I understand nobody dared to question them since they were literally godfathers of Pak cricket by that time. Rameez & Misbah's numbers are hilarious since all they did was statpad, those numbers are absurd & misleading. Much like Imran, Miandad these two have contributed on losing causes while achieving crappy milestones. Nothing much to say regarding Inzy, Malik & Yousuf, everybody admits they underperformed & were mostly duds. Imam bloated his stats with that useless hundred against Bangladesh in a dead rubber. His strike rate is unbelievable, players who ended their career some 25 years earlier possess better than him. Just goes to show you how clueless & outdated Pak cricket system is to carry such an anti-impact player in this day & age.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Imam aint going to win you the 330+ games.

But he can play a role with the middling 270-290 targets on semi difficult wickets.
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More like 240-250 on a slow low Sri/UAE/Wi surface. He can play those painful laborious 80 from 105 & be goated by delusional fanboys. That's his ceiling. On boucy wickets he is clueless, on true wickets he is out of depth. It's borderline silly to carry someone like him if you are thriving to become a top white ball team.
 
VForVendetta said:
Only Anwar, Abbas, Haris & Babar truly had impact & didn't play miserable match losing knocks. Miandad, Aamer & Imran played some important knocks but are also equally guilty of playing some truly head scratching knocks. Specially Miandad & Imran had some shockingly horror shows in 92, I understand nobody dared to question them since they were literally godfathers of Pak cricket by that time. Rameez & Misbah's numbers are hilarious since all they did was statpad, those numbers are absurd & misleading. Much like Imran, Miandad these two have contributed on losing causes while achieving crappy milestones. Nothing much to say regarding Inzy, Malik & Yousuf, everybody admits they underperformed & were mostly duds. Imam bloated his stats with that useless hundred against Bangladesh in a dead rubber. His strike rate is unbelievable, players who ended their career some 25 years earlier possess better than him. Just goes to show you how clueless & outdated Pak cricket system is to carry such an anti-impact player in this day & age.
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Spot on.

It's beyond belief how Saim Ayub was left out of the squad for this guy.
 
topspin said:
Spot on.

It's beyond belief how Saim Ayub was left out of the squad for this guy.
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Ayub, Haris, Huraira, Omar Yousuf any of these lads could have done better than him. The problem isn't just that he is a 2020's batter stuck with 1980's template, he is a terrible fielder, both in catching & ground fielding. The guy can't do any decent thing on the field with that gut hanging around from belly. The family gene seems to have hit on his body finally. Slow, lethargic, unathletic, clueless but as long as his uncle & best mate are running the show he is untouchable.
 
He's not the one who will perform against quality bowling, and an opener having problem with short ball . His fitness and fielding isn't great either. Wasn't his fan even when he was piling up runs on dead pitches as his game play and shot selections tells you about his limitations. Parchi is how he was brought in and parchi is how he will likely be around the team for as long as possible. I will play out of form Fakhar over him any day.

The only benefit he has going is world cup is on dead pitches of India but a good bowler will figure him out quick. It may seem unfair to drop him based on his recent form but world cup can't be at stake.
 
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ExpressPacer said:
Do you expect him to be nice when the entirety of Pakistan has shouted "parchi" at him throughout his ENTIRE career when he did not deserve for it at least 90% of his career.

Imam has some top quality innings against top bowling attacks. It is only recently that he has become completely useless.
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point out ONE innings against a top quality bowling attack that made Pakistan win?
 
topspin said:
Spot on.

It's beyond belief how Saim Ayub was left out of the squad for this guy.
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Because unlike India who instantly dropped dhawan for Gill, PCB keeps using the experience clause and then hopes for newbie miracles everytime.

2015= Sarfi in 2014 gave solid performances even if they were few, Nasir jamshed( failing constantly since 2013 CT), pcb and misbah = Jamshed is needed cause he's experienced and won us 2012 India series.

2017= Fakhar is your best domestic performer atm but has zero experience at international, Shehzad has been a failure since 2015 WC(Last good innings was 2014 Bamgaldesh Asia cup 100), reason why shehzad was preferred in 3 games before fakhar took over in Semi's = Shehzad has experience and played a past match winning knock in 2014.

2023= Saud and Abdullah have been your best Test players in the Sri Lankan series. Fakhar and agha have had 10+ Innings of constant failures. Reason why agha and fakhar have been preferred before saud and Abdullah uphill now= Fakhar and Agha have experience.

Same excuse for saim vs imam= Imam hasn't played a good innings (Only soft scores) since his once in a blue moon 2019 150 score, Saim has been in Red hot form and dismantled afg in the 3rd t20. Reason he isn't selected = Imam has experience 😂😂.

Imagine if India did that, Gill has been outperforming kohli in ipl but we won't Select Gill because dhawan is more experienced even though dhawan has been useless since after 2019 wc lol.
 
VForVendetta said:
Ayub, Haris, Huraira, Omar Yousuf any of these lads could have done better than him. The problem isn't just that he is a 2020's batter stuck with 1980's template, he is a terrible fielder, both in catching & ground fielding. The guy can't do any decent thing on the field with that gut hanging around from belly. The family gene seems to have hit on his body finally. Slow, lethargic, unathletic, clueless but as long as his uncle & best mate are running the show he is untouchable.
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If you're not good enough to be acquired by a franchise in your premier domestic T20 league, which has a windows of its own, you're clearly not good enough to play white ball cricket.

As you've pointed out with his terrible fielding and attitude to fitness, there was no grounds for him to be selected to play white ball cricket for Pakistan.

If you look at ODIs today, it really is an extension of T20Is. This is evident by the scores we're seeing teams put up in this WC and the number of brisk hundreds we've already seen.
 
Imam has not developed his game in the last 4 years in the limited overs format. He has feasted on minnows, C/D level bowling attacks and has been brutally exposed in the Asia Cup and the ODI WC.

Pakistan needs to make an aggressive decision and bench him for someone like Agha Salman or Mohd Nawaz
 
VForVendetta said:
Ayub, Haris, Huraira, Omar Yousuf any of these lads could have done better than him. The problem isn't just that he is a 2020's batter stuck with 1980's template, he is a terrible fielder, both in catching & ground fielding. The guy can't do any decent thing on the field with that gut hanging around from belly. The family gene seems to have hit on his body finally. Slow, lethargic, unathletic, clueless but as long as his uncle & best mate are running the show he is untouchable.
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Being overweight has nothing to do with family genes. My dad is overweight, my grandad use to be overweight, I use to weight 110 KG and now I'm 70 KG after 2 years of hard work.

The guy is a cricketer, and a sportsman, He should be looking after himself.

It's not like he was always this weight, he went from being a bit chubby in 2018 to being a fatso in 2023, in fact he use to he really thin in under 19.

Maybe of he wasn't so focused on launching his pizza and goal gappei parchi restraunts, he'd slim down. If he had a good diet, then he doesn't even need to exercise because he's already playing cricket as a profession lol.

It's all diet bro, our genes have nothing to do with weight, Metabolism is something you can increase on your own, Has no correlation with genes. Genes are more so based on looks, Height, hair and eye textures. The guy has a good height, and he's healthy.

Unless he was some sort of Dwarf or came from a family of 500 pound Sumo wrestlers, he's fine. Inzi was also thin, his son itisam is a vegeterian amd is proper thin.

Imam is fat because he doesn't take care of himself. That's all theirs too it.
 
He has been dismissed the exact same way in the last 2 games and that too against trundlers.

India with their superior pace attack will dismiss him in no time.

I would play Fakhar over him
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
He has been dismissed the exact same way in the last 2 games and that too against trundlers.

India with their superior pace attack will dismiss him in no time.

I would play Fakhar over him
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I'd actually try saud for opening alongside Abdullah.

Bring in agha for someone useless. Cause agha has been Below par but atleast it gives us extra batting depth.
 
mominsaigol said:
No his debut was fine. He was solid in the domestic circuit. Same with babar and rizzu, their debut were fine, they were dominating in domestic.

Thing is this is international, out of 5000+ players in domestic, You are now no longer playing with bowlers who may be Average, may be good etc, you are playing with the worlds best.

No more trundles, time to face stark, Kuldeep etc.

Normally most players on debut are trash, talent nonsense doesn't exist. Talent isn't born, it's cultivated, something SENA and India know how to do, via playing 2nd strings, rotating strike, giving extended runs etc etc and Management having very very tight restrictions on how players shpuld behave and improve.

Babar would have gotten thrashed had he played top teams, people forget just how bad babar use to be, just watch highlights on YouTube sports central on his debut match against Zimbabwe, The guy looks as if he's playing in antartica and shivering all over the place.

It was the same with saud, his 50 against NZ of 179 balls was the worst I've ever seen.

However i adovocated saud after watching him play in the Sri lanka series.

It was the same with Gill, he couldn't even move in the crease properly, Sachin took 70 innings to score a century.

As long as you have a growth mindset and a good management who backs you, you will succeed. Despite sanju not being selected, Management and kohli is still clearly working in him and sanju will become frontline soon enough.

Rizwan was a tailender against spin, now the dude has never once gotten out playing the sweep and his sr with that shot is 200. Babar easily is the best player of pace and has the best stances, Saud is defo our best striker and Abdullah is shaping up to a world class front foot and back foot player.

In these 5 years what has Imam done? Same problems, same story.

It was the same with shehzad as well, The guy was good, legends who were comparing him to ATG's weren't delusional, however his limitations were that he was weak against anything angling into him and Lacked any form of strike rotation. He didn't improve since day 1 due to his selfie nonsense and eventually bowlers just kept bolwing onto his pads and kept dismissing him. With Imam bowlers bowl short and dismiss him.

Point is, Players first improve at domestic, get a reality check at international and slowly improve at international, but that only happens if they adopt a growth mindset and Management like ours doesn't panic because they don't come good right off the bat and their persisted with. In imam's case he was persisted with but he's Fodder due to thinking he's world class on debut. If anything that century in debut is ironically his downfall lol.
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The likes of Ahmed Shahzad, Umar Akmal debuted at the same time as Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli in the 2008-2009 season. As of today Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal are now wasted talents whereas Rohit and Kohli have became ATG's for their team.

Similarly Imam has been playing for Pakistan for 6 years and is still a novice. In 5-6 years Kohli had already established himself as a great for India. Our players simply don't work hard on their games to take it to the next level.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
He has been dismissed the exact same way in the last 2 games and that too against trundlers.

India with their superior pace attack will dismiss him in no time.

I would play Fakhar over him
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Sorry but Fakhar deserves to be on the bench, his body language at the moment stinks. Pakistan need to take a bold decision of opening with either Nawaz, Agha Salman or maybe Babar needs to open the innings and lead by example. We need to adopt a ruthless attitude where no one plays on reputation and past performances anymore.
 
Savak said:
The likes of Ahmed Shahzad, Umar Akmal debuted at the same time as Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli in the 2008-2009 season. As of today Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal are now wasted talents whereas Rohit and Kohli have became ATG's for their team.

Similarly Imam has been playing for Pakistan for 6 years and is still a novice. In 5-6 years Kohli had already established himself as a great for India. Our players simply don't work hard on their games to take it to the next level.
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Some players do, some don't. It's because of india's culture. They didn't take a second to drop dhawan for Gill as soon as dhawan fizzled out. But for 3 world cups on a row we relied on an out of form jamshed in 2015, an out of shehzad in 2017 and an out of fakhar in 2017 due to the experience non sense over upcoming Red hot form talent. Even though these guys have been out of form for months, In jamshed and shehzad's case 2-3 years.

This is what happens when you give talented players free rides, they stop improving.

Ironically I think saud and Abdullah improved because they weren't favoured and considered disposable so they had to improve. I fear we don't give them free rides.

We don't strike a balance, It's unfair to remove a player for one bad series or a bit of failures, bit it's also stupid to carry them for free for years on end and completly be okay with their social media antics.
 
Savak said:
Sorry but Fakhar deserves to be on the bench, his body language at the moment stinks. Pakistan need to take a bold decision of opening with either Nawaz, Agha Salman or maybe Babar needs to open the innings and lead by example. We need to adopt a ruthless attitude where no one plays on reputation and past performances anymore.
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exactly! we should drop both fakhar and imam and try open with Babar and down the order they might adjust Agha Salman who can give u an option of spin in middle overs.
 
Savak said:
Sorry but Fakhar deserves to be on the bench, his body language at the moment stinks. Pakistan need to take a bold decision of opening with either Nawaz, Agha Salman or maybe Babar needs to open the innings and lead by example. We need to adopt a ruthless attitude where no one plays on reputation and past performances anymore.
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Fakhar is that guy who can hit a double ton.

Nawaz can’t even get to 50.
 
W63L35 said:
His comparison with current openers since 1/1/2021.

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Lots of opinions here. But data shows that Fakhar and Imam have the same strike rate but Imam’s average is a whole 10 points more. One cannot say B/C attacks because both played the same teams on same grounds.
I am not a fan of Imam and I’d have liked to see Saim. At this stage, it would be utterly stupid to drop Imam. Pakistan’s real problem is always putting runs on the board and not getting out in 50 overs. Whenever we bat, 50 overs feel like a lot.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because unlike India who instantly dropped dhawan for Gill, PCB keeps using the experience clause and then hopes for newbie miracles everytime.

2015= Sarfi in 2014 gave solid performances even if they were few, Nasir jamshed( failing constantly since 2013 CT), pcb and misbah = Jamshed is needed cause he's experienced and won us 2012 India series.

2017= Fakhar is your best domestic performer atm but has zero experience at international, Shehzad has been a failure since 2015 WC(Last good innings was 2014 Bamgaldesh Asia cup 100), reason why shehzad was preferred in 3 games before fakhar took over in Semi's = Shehzad has experience and played a past match winning knock in 2014.

2023= Saud and Abdullah have been your best Test players in the Sri Lankan series. Fakhar and agha have had 10+ Innings of constant failures. Reason why agha and fakhar have been preferred before saud and Abdullah uphill now= Fakhar and Agha have experience.

Same excuse for saim vs imam= Imam hasn't played a good innings (Only soft scores) since his once in a blue moon 2019 150 score, Saim has been in Red hot form and dismantled afg in the 3rd t20. Reason he isn't selected = Imam has experience 😂😂.

Imagine if India did that, Gill has been outperforming kohli in ipl but we won't Select Gill because dhawan is more experienced even though dhawan has been useless since after 2019 wc lol.
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Completely agree. What you've just said here epitomises the toxic seniority culture that obsesses around "experience". It just goes to show the cricketing IQ in Pakistan cricket is awfully low. No wonder, all of our ex-players have turned out to be miserable failures as coaches. Notable examples being Waqar and Misbah.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
exactly! we should drop both fakhar and imam and try open with Babar and down the order they might adjust Agha Salman who can give u an option of spin in middle overs.
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This is what happens when you play the same exact openers for 5+ years and never change combinations.

Even during rohit and dhawan days, Look how many openers were tested in odi series while rohit and dhawan were rested? India tested like 15 openers in those 7 years.

It's why they found Gill and kishan and even Rahul during his early days as an opener so quickly.

Here we're literally facing a dilemma cause as soon as fakhar and imam go out of form, we have zero options other then relying on one hit newbie miracles like Abdullah or saim coming good, when we shpuld have given them match practise.
 
Savak said:
Sorry but Fakhar deserves to be on the bench, his body language at the moment stinks. Pakistan need to take a bold decision of opening with either Nawaz, Agha Salman or maybe Babar needs to open the innings and lead by example. We need to adopt a ruthless attitude where no one plays on reputation and past performances anymore.
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Fakhar over Imam any day of the week.

If we had Saim Ayub in the squad, I would have no problem. But Imam is by far the worst player in the squad. His early dismissal in the last game was actually a blessing in disguise. We don't want to see 50 off 70 balls.
 
topspin said:
Completely agree. What you've just said here epitomises the toxic seniority culture that obsesses around "experience". It just goes to show the cricketing IQ in Pakistan cricket is awfully low. No wonder, all of our ex-players have turned out to be miserable failures as coaches. Notable examples being Waqar and Misbah.
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Because we either drop players without grooming them and panic after a few matches or we persist with players who come good but once they go put of form, we let them stay for a million years rather then forcing them to go back to domestic to improve before a recall.

Look at how India is grooming sanju Sampson, They literally booted him from the cup, but kohli outright told sanju he's on the cards, once he improves he's back In.

Theirs a reason NZ grooms fodders like ravindra into world class players and india keeps finding class replacements for their old past players like dhawan.

The selection criteria is equal for everyone. Be the best and you'll get selected, stay in form and you'll stay in the team, But drop in form, sorry you're out buddy, you can come back once you perform.

They had zero issues with booting gautam ghambir, Suresh raina, Dhawan, Virender sehawag etc once these guys stopped performing, they didn't act like pcb and be like oh well ghambir won us this game a million years ago so let's keep him for the next 5 years.
 
mominsaigol said:
Because we either drop players without grooming them and panic after a few matches or we persist with players who come good but once they go put of form, we let them stay for a million years rather then forcing them to go back to domestic to improve before a recall.

Look at how India is grooming sanju Sampson, They literally booted him from the cup, but kohli outright told sanju he's on the cards, once he improves he's back In.

Theirs a reason NZ grooms fodders like ravindra into world class players and india keeps finding class replacements for their old past players like dhawan.

The selection criteria is equal for everyone. Be the best and you'll get selected, stay in form and you'll stay in the team, But drop in form, sorry you're out buddy, you can come back once you perform.

They had zero issues with booting gautam ghambir, Suresh raina, Dhawan, Virender sehawag etc once these guys stopped performing, they didn't act like pcb and be like oh well ghambir won us this game a million years ago so let's keep him for the next 5 years.
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The difference in mentality is night and day. Distant past performances should never be a guide to current affairs. It's so dumb.

If Pakistan players get dropped, they cry to the media or run off to America like Sami Aslam did.
 
topspin said:
The difference in mentality is night and day. Distant past performances should never be a guide to current affairs. It's so dumb.

If Pakistan players get dropped, they cry to the media or run off to America like Sami Aslam did.
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To be fair it's a bit more then that. With SENA and India it's clear.

Be the best, and when you enter into the circuit, you have roundabout 7-8 games to show you can atleast perform well in 4 to 5 games and if you show improvement we'll persist with you.

But failure to keep form, then back to domestic, however being dropped isn't the end of the world. If you showcase performance In domestic and improvement, then you get reelected and rinse and repeat.

Their also extremely careful about social media. Indian cricketers use social media to launch their own brands and businesses like kohli has done for extra revenue streams and its why he has 260+ million followers on Instagram. But he doesn't use Instagram to brand himself or anything or state claims.

Wr use twitter to brand ourselves and create hype machines lol. If an Indian cricketer did that, Permanent boot lol.

Sami aslam has a point about being liked. The guy was the best performer in domestic and when he came onto the scene he instantly outshined Ahmed shehzad but shehzad is in for world cup 2015 cause according to Haroon rasheed shehzad has not had chances to perform? Like bro what?

Afterwards sami did deserve to be dropped 100% because when he got his chance he botched them after poor test runs + a poor odi outing. But he left for USA because he knew it was the end.

In India being dropped wouldn't be the end of the world, just perform again and you'd get another go for atleast a couple series.

In Pakistan dropped basically means end of the line.

Unfair selection criteria is what is the death of us, whereas BCCI selects on merit, and being dropped isn't the end of the world, nor do they cling to the past. They don't really care about dhawan striking a super century against Australia in 2019, As soon as he was out of form, dhawan was told that the only way he's making it back, is if he proves why he's a better player then Rahul, Gill, Kishan and other upcoming youngsters.
 
Zahid Fazal, Wajatullah Wasti, Imran Farhat, Khurram Manzoor, Sami Aslam, Imam ul Haq..... & probably many more I have literally forgot. For some godforsaken reasons Pak have always been obsessed with outdated clueless odi openers & have entrusted these "accumulators" aka strokeless wonders as their main openers in major tournaments & high stake campaigns. Each of this guy was lagging behind the curve, the contemporary trend that the other top level overseas openers were trying to play in their respective era. None of these selections ever worked in favor & always produced some sleep inducing ugly slugfests.Yet they never learn & continue to pursuit these guys. I didn't get this obsession when I was a child & get even more confused & frustrated as an adult.
 
saqib.rai said:
point out ONE innings against a top quality bowling attack that made Pakistan win?
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150 in England vs England at a strike rate of over 110 against their main bowling attack was a great innings. It is not his fault that our toothless bowling attack couldn’t defend 350.

But his 90 vs Milne, Henry and Sodhi is an example of where Pakistan won.

Granted Imam is not doing well right now and should make way for Haris. However, that does not do away all the good he has done.
 
ExpressPacer said:
150 in England vs England at a strike rate of over 110 against their main bowling attack was a great innings. It is not his fault that our toothless bowling attack couldn’t defend 350.

But his 90 vs Milne, Henry and Sodhi is an example of where Pakistan won.

Granted Imam is not doing well right now and should make way for Haris. However, that does not do away all the good he has done.
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Problem is our management think tank.

BCCI and SENA Select on merit. They don't care if dhawan struck a super century against aus in 2019 or was man of the tournament in CT 2013, nor do they care about any of this experience drama.

Their selection criteria is simple, Be the best, get selected, we'll give you roundabout 10 games to prove yourself, don't come good them drop but you will have a chance to come back if you perform.

Dhawan was dropped cause atm he doesn't merit a spot when rohit, Gill, Kishan, Rahul, Kohli and pandya are providing killer performances but he will get a chance of he proves why he's superior to Gill.

Our management selects someone and then either drops them too early, or gives them a free ride for years deapite zero showings and use the experience excuse and then in world cups, last minute they'll make a change and bring in a new guy who's ungroomed and hasn't had enough experience.

It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that fakhar and imam have been put of form this year and saud and Abdullah our 2 best test players should have been tested in the NZ, Afg series rather then last minute in the asia cup and wc.

With BCCI it's, Dhawan ik you were ct 2013 man of the tournament but Gill is better, go away.

With us it's come on now, Ik nasir jamshed hasn't performed since 2013 and has 2 years of failures but hey he is more experienced then sarfraz 👀. Same logic applies with Imam and fakhar, for those still relying on falhar's 180, A poor cpl + 2 poor bilaterals and a poor Asia cup makes it 21 failed games in a row, 10 international and 11 framchise.

Bcci would have discarded him quicker then my ex dumping me.
 
ExpressPacer said:
150 in England vs England at a strike rate of over 110 against their main bowling attack was a great innings. It is not his fault that our toothless bowling attack couldn’t defend 350.

But his 90 vs Milne, Henry and Sodhi is an example of where Pakistan won.

Granted Imam is not doing well right now and should make way for Haris. However, that does not do away all the good he has done.
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150 vs England was on the most phatta wicket ever made. It was NOT our tootless bowling that couldn't defend 350 BUT the wicket was terrible for bowlers. Imam scored runs for fun in that series and the World Cup that followed, he was a COMPLETE FAILURE.
Anyways, Pakistan lost that match in which he made 150.

GUYS, I ASKED THIS POSTER TO GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF AN IMAM INNINGS AGAINST A GOOD BOWLING LINE UP IN A MATCH THAT PAKISTAN WON and he quotes a knock against the New Zealand C team that visited Pakistan in May 2023 lol
 
saqib.rai said:
150 vs England was on the most phatta wicket ever made. It was NOT our tootless bowling that couldn't defend 350 BUT the wicket was terrible for bowlers. Imam scored runs for fun in that series and the World Cup that followed, he was a COMPLETE FAILURE.
Anyways, Pakistan lost that match in which he made 150.

GUYS, I ASKED THIS POSTER TO GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF AN IMAM INNINGS AGAINST A GOOD BOWLING LINE UP IN A MATCH THAT PAKISTAN WON and he quotes a knock against the New Zealand C team that visited Pakistan in May 2023 lol
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So Milne, Sodhi and Henry is NZ C?
 
ExpressPacer said:
So Milne, Sodhi and Henry is NZ C?
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Trent Boult, Lockie Ferguson, Tim Southee, Santner are ahead of these 3
If these 3 were any good, they would have had an IPL contract and not come to Pakistan

Dude you can't even name ONE match winning innings by Imam against a good bowling lineup, and here you are defending him
 
saqib.rai said:
Trent Boult, Lockie Ferguson, Tim Southee, Santner are ahead of these 3
If these 3 were any good, they would have had an IPL contract and not come to Pakistan

Dude you can't even name ONE match winning innings by Imam against a good bowling lineup, and here you are defending him
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The IPL is clearly not the standard for being a good player. Milne would've been in this squad if not for the injury.
 
Bin this guy if he scores 40/60 on Saturday Pak are in deep trouble ind will get them at double rate.

When his not misfielding/dropping sitters his scoring selfish half centuries.
 
Always feasts on trundlers, minnows & depleted bowling attacks. Always tries to give opposing teams a headstart via his legendary strike rate. Always goes missing under pressure. Mysteriously gets injured when there's a tough match in the offing!!

Epitome of a liability, who primarily gets into the team on friends & family quota. The only thing worse than his nepotistic selection is the audacity of his clueless apologists to go gaga whenever he scores a harmless 70 ball 50 in a JAMODI.
 
Manik Rao said:
Always feasts on trundlers, minnows & depleted bowling attacks. Always tries to give opposing teams a headstart via his legendary strike rate. Always goes missing under pressure. Mysteriously gets injured when there's a tough match in the offing!!

Epitome of a liability, who primarily gets into the team on friends & family quota. The only thing worse than his nepotistic selection is the audacity of his clueless apologists to go gaga whenever he scores a harmless 70 ball 50 in a JAMODI.
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Since when has he feasted in minnows or trundles?

The guy literally goes at a snails pace against them lol.
 
ExpressPacer said:
150 in England vs England at a strike rate of over 110 against their main bowling attack was a great innings. It is not his fault that our toothless bowling attack couldn’t defend 350.

But his 90 vs Milne, Henry and Sodhi is an example of where Pakistan won.

Granted Imam is not doing well right now and should make way for Haris. However, that does not do away all the good he has done.
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It wasn't their main bowling attack. None of their main bowlers were there. There was no Archer, no Wood and no Rashid who all played in the WC. He would've stand no chance of surviving against Archer and Wood.

Also in the same game, England's openers scored their runs at a strike rate of near 140 despite having facing far fewer deliveries which really puts everything into perspective. Roy scored 76 off 55 balls and Bairstow scored 128 runs off 93 balls. If we're being honest here, they made Imam's 151 off 131 balls look average.
 
VForVendetta said:
Zahid Fazal, Wajatullah Wasti, Imran Farhat, Khurram Manzoor, Sami Aslam, Imam ul Haq..... & probably many more I have literally forgot. For some godforsaken reasons Pak have always been obsessed with outdated clueless odi openers & have entrusted these "accumulators" aka strokeless wonders as their main openers in major tournaments & high stake campaigns. Each of this guy was lagging behind the curve, the contemporary trend that the other top level overseas openers were trying to play in their respective era. None of these selections ever worked in favor & always produced some sleep inducing ugly slugfests.Yet they never learn & continue to pursuit these guys. I didn't get this obsession when I was a child & get even more confused & frustrated as an adult.
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Imam is certainly in that league. His selection for this WC reminds me of when Misbah selected Imran Farhat for the 2013 CT. Boy did that backfire spectacularly.
 
Just wondering, does Imam ever get out to other forms of dismissal or is it a bouncer every time?
 
topspin said:
Imam is certainly in that league. His selection for this WC reminds me of when Misbah selected Imran Farhat for the 2013 CT. Boy did that backfire spectacularly.
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Agree with all except sami. Dude was genuine class, but was ruined by haroon rasheed and misbah nepotism.

He rightfully earned his call in 2014 but was dropped for no reason despite being > Shehzad and looked class against bamgaldesh.

After being dropped is when all the drama started and he became a hasbeen and then failed on recall and just left for USA.

^^ None of this drama would have happened had they persisted with him. But sami would outperform babar 100% of the time when these guys played together, a 50+ avg with a 100 SR.

But atm sami isn't even USA level opener 😂😂. Another umar akmal esc Crybaby.
 
ExpressPacer said:
150 in England vs England at a strike rate of over 110 against their main bowling attack was a great innings. It is not his fault that our toothless bowling attack couldn’t defend 350.

But his 90 vs Milne, Henry and Sodhi is an example of where Pakistan won.

Granted Imam is not doing well right now and should make way for Haris. However, that does not do away all the good he has done.
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Wut?? Did you see that 150? That knock was really nothing special at all. It was a highway to hell where 400 was par score. That whole series was played on brutal roads and 400 was par in each game.
 
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