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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is it time to drop Mohammad Rizwan from Pakistan's Test side?

Bewal Express said:
Ask Rana about the guy that once scored 42, not averaged 42 and not became one of the best WK in the World.
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Even if it's wrong, I rate him for being honest. You're not. Your assessment of Babar is anything but honest. Like a 30 year old is too young? In which world bro?
 
topspin said:
Even if it's wrong, I rate him for being honest. You're not. Your assessment of Babar is anything but honest. Like a 30 year old is too young? In which world bro?
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What kind of honesty is asking a complete unknown to be picked over one of the best WKs. If that is how you rate honesty, can i recommend my next door neighbour as as PK fast bowler, he once took a WK in a club game🤣🤣🤣
So you think Babar is too old. Jesus wept
 
Bewal Express said:
What kind of honesty is asking a complete unknown to be picked over one of the best WKs. If that is how you rate honesty, can i recommend my next door neighbour as as PK fast bowler, he once took a WK in a club game🤣🤣🤣
So you think Babar is too old. Jesus wept
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If you were honest:
  • You'd admit that you fumbled when you claimed Babar was "too young"
  • You wouldn't put words in my mouth by saying "you think Babar is too old". The truth is he's neither young or old. Everyone knows this
 
topspin said:
If you were honest:
  • You'd admit that you fumbled when you claimed Babar was "too young"
  • You wouldn't put words in my mouth by saying "you think Babar is too old". The truth is he's neither young or old
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Babar is young. Babar should be coming into his prime. If Babar is old than what does that leave all these the 33-36 year old guys?
So you think Babar is too old.🤣🤣🤣🥰
 
Bewal Express said:
Babar is young. Babar should be coming into his prime. If Babar is old than what does that leave all these the 33-36 year old guys?
So you think Babar is too old.🤣🤣🤣🥰
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He might be young compared to you but in cricketing terms that's not young. If that's young, you're either being stupid or dishonest. I think we all know which one it is.
 
topspin said:
You and @PakEngFan have the following similarities:

  • From KPK
  • Hate Imad
  • Hate Misbah - at least you got this one right
  • Extremely defensive of Babar
Anyway another poster has confirmed that you are ex-PakEngFan.

It's good to know who you are.
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So only 1 person can be from KPK. Only 1 poster dislikes imad. Only 1 person can defend Babar who I have criticized more than I have praised. I can bet that poster who has linked me to another poster is probably on my ignore list.

Talk about honesty. Give it a rest. You have shown you are anything but honest. So my point stands I called out imad for leaving balls against axar Patel triggered you.
 
topspin said:
He might be young compared to you but in cricketing terms that's not young. If that's young, you're either being stupid or dishonest. I think we all know which one it is.
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OK. So you are saying he is old. But around 30 is when the batsman come into their prime. So If that is the case what is your problem. Do you want him dropped permanently?
 
Bewal Express said:
OK. So you are saying he is old. But around 30 is when the batsman come into their prime. So If that is the case what is your problem. Do you want him dropped permanently?
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You do realise not everything in this world is black and white? Just like how you can have all kinds of colours in between black and white, you can also lie somewhere between young and old. If I have to explain basic sh1t like this to you because you can't be honest then what's the point in having this discussion? I feel like I'm talking to a child.
 
This was a mediocre SA side that Pak should be defeating. What annoyed me was the cameras panned to the goofball who was laughing away along with Shan when Pak were on the cusp of defeat.

These cretins are not taking the game seriously and playing for the jersey. These spots need to go to young hungry players that will give everything for the team!

Rizwan out!
 
topspin said:
You do realise not everything in this world is black and white? Just like how you can have all kinds of colours in between black and white, you can also lie somewhere between young and old. If I have to explain basic sh1t like this to you because you can't be honest then what's the point in having this discussion? I feel like I'm talking to a child.
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It's interesting that when I reply the Mods see it fit to delete. This guy claimed he owned me on this and I asked him if Babar was too old. And boy did he resort to word salads. So once again-is Babar too old?
 
Bewal Express said:
It's interesting that when I reply the Mods see it fit to delete. This guy claimed he owned me on this and I asked him if Babar was too old. And boy did he resort to word salads. So once again-is Babar too old?
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Not sure why you need to ask this again, as I already addressed this in post 85 but I'll repeat he's neither young or old. Why is that so hard to understand?

Not being young isn't synonymous with old or "too old".

It says a lot about you though. You live in a world which is either black or white. A very simplistic mind I must say.

Just be honest for once and admit that you fumbled when you claimed Babar was too young because you're just digging a hole for yourself.

This will be my last my post on this subject because we're just going around circles and like I said before, I feel like I'm talking to a child.

Stick to Timepass buddy.
 
topspin said:
Even if it's wrong, I rate him for being honest. You're not. Your assessment of Babar is anything but honest. Like a 30 year old is too young? In which world bro?
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II wouldn’t bother arguing with people who have no clue. This is the same guy who thinks Babar is still a youngster and says footwork doesn’t matter in cricket. I remember when most cricketers retired by 33 or 34, and then Misbah started the trend of playing until 40. Back then, a player’s peak used to be from around 25 or 26.
 
emranabbas said:
II wouldn’t bother arguing with people who have no clue. This is the same guy who thinks Babar is still a youngster and says footwork doesn’t matter in cricket. I remember when most cricketers retired by 33 or 34, and then Misbah started the trend of playing until 40. Back then, a player’s peak used to be from around 25 or 26.
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Hit the nail on the head.

Ah "footwork doesn't matter", why am I not surprised :ROFLMAO:

Babar being "too young" is a symptom of Misbah-ism.
 
topspin said:
Not sure why you need to ask this again, as I already addressed this in post 85 but I'll repeat he's neither young or old. Why is that so hard to understand?

Not being young isn't synonymous with old or "too old".

It says a lot about you though. You live in a world which is either black or white. A very simplistic mind I must say.

Just be honest for once and admit that you fumbled when you claimed Babar was too young because you're just digging a hole for yourself.

This will be my last my post on this subject because we're just going around circles and like I said before, I feel like I'm talking to a child.

Stick to Timepass buddy.
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Is Babar too old to play for PK? Wasn't that the reason you found a quote from me? If that wasn't the point then what was the point? Stop the word salads and answer the question.
 
he is doing ok in Test right now as per his technique major concern is playing white ball cricket.
 
shaz619 said:
The guy criticised Sarfraz for years, only to advocate this Humperdoo (from the Preacher show) as our saviour
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I never paid attention to the toxic narratives pre 2020 bro. For me, everyone who represented Pakistan was one of my players. Couldn’t care less who they were. I didn’t pay attention to player hate groups. It’s all becoming very clear now. Should have remained vigilant then. The whole Misbah/Rizwan thing has made me lose faith in the entire system.
 
Rana said:
Ok so it’s your caption and not what the PCB sent you as a caption for the video?
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Bro celebrate your beautiful day of Babar’s selfish review, why worry about Rizwan's success
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Arguably Asia's GOAT Wicket Keeper bat.
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Better than Dhoni for sure, but I would rank him behind Sangakkara for sure. He was different class. Arguably the second best lefty batsman in history after Lara.

Rizwan is also better than Pant especially in white ball cricket. Pant is excellent in Test cricket in spite of his flop show in Australia.
 
Mamoon said:
Better than Dhoni for sure, but I would rank him behind Sangakkara for sure. He was different class. Arguably the second best lefty batsman in history after Lara.

Rizwan is also better than Pant especially in white ball cricket. Pant is excellent in Test cricket in spite of his flop show in Australia.
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Sangakkara I don't rate that high, cashed in on some big phattas in Pak and was usually a failure in England, India, SA and WI. In any case he didn't keep for a lot of his runs. But yes we can have Rizwan behind Sanga for now. Miles better than overrated Dhoni, Pant, Kaluwitharna, Sarfaraz
 
He is a good player of spin and just struggles in overseas venues. But still can produce some good knocks there
 
Mamoon said:
Better than Dhoni for sure, but I would rank him behind Sangakkara for sure. He was different class. Arguably the second best lefty batsman in history after Lara.

Rizwan is also better than Pant especially in white ball cricket. Pant is excellent in Test cricket in spite of his flop show in Australia.
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Pant doesn't make indian loi team going forward with samson and kl around too
 
Kianig89 said:
I mean the chief orchestrator,
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People are just jumping on the bandwagon as most pakistanis do with smth that makes them prominent. Pure attention seeking and when you question them about replacement they ll just run away or hide.

Sauds fifty was great meanwhile they dint have guts to appreciate the other pakistani who played same innings
 
Hyder said:
People are just jumping on the bandwagon as most pakistanis do with smth that makes them prominent. Pure attention seeking and when you question them about replacement they ll just run away or hide.

Sauds fifty was great meanwhile they dint have guts to appreciate the other pakistani who played same innings
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Name and shame them, go at full throttle this is extreme level bugz-e- Rizwan
 
FearlessRoar said:
Yet again, Mohammad Rizwan answered his critics with a well-crafted fifty as he reached 51 on Day 1 of the first Test against West Indies, before bad light forced stumps to be called.

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Rohail would have scored a double ton on this phatta
 
I watched a lot of cricket when Kamran Akmal was the keeper & God is my witness, that man tested my patience like no other. The drop catches & missed stumping chances I could deal with at times but the incessant, "ghoomay ga ghoomay ga", & the needless & non-stop screams were too much for me.

Sarfraz was fine for a little while but then he got too big for his shoes. The solution became the problem & eventually had to be replaced.

I don't remember Moin or Rashid & I've heard great things about the fighting spirit of Salim Yousuf but his numbers are ordinary. Wasim Bari is the same. As my memory serves Anil Dilpat didn't play for a long time & Hanif didn't keep regularly.

That leaves Rizwan as the best keeper who has played for Pak whether we like it or not. Do I think he's a good keeper, 100%. Do I think he's a great batter, absolutely not. Do I think we need to replace him in white ball cricket, totally. Do I think we have a red ball replacement for him, absolutely not. His theatrics are getting worse day by day though but he's not close to Akmal brothers yet.
 
Got stuck on the crease and gets out for just 2 in the 2nd inning... Collapse started now after his departure...

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Rana said:
But it still counts as the side he wants to go :ROFLMAO: Guy just favours doing everything on that side of the ground
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I still dont get it? Do people in pakistan not practise techniques? It baffles me, because years ago we produced cricketers like yk, Inzi, Yousaf etc etc. Even not so great cricketers like imran nazir had solid techniques. You could argue that he was brainless but his technique was fine. Same scenario for kamran akmal and umar akmal

Afridi didn't have a good technique but that's cause he wasnt interested in becoming a full fledged batter.

How did pakistan go from that to people like rizwan, Abdullah and ima? Even decent batters like tayyab, Kamran ghulam don't really have good techniques.

Saud and saim are exceptions but batters with good techniques use to be the norm
 
mominsaigol said:
I still dont get it? Do people in pakistan not practise techniques? It baffles me, because years ago we produced cricketers like yk, Inzi, Yousaf etc etc. Even not so great cricketers like imran nazir had solid techniques. You could argue that he was brainless but his technique was fine. Same scenario for kamran akmal and umar akmal

Afridi didn't have a good technique but that's cause he wasnt interested in becoming a full fledged batter.

How did pakistan go from that to people like rizwan, Abdullah and ima? Even decent batters like tayyab, Kamran ghulam don't really have good techniques.

Saud and saim are exceptions but batters with good techniques use to be the norm
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Most of Pakistan batsmen have/had technical issues but they somehow have managed to score runs at decent average.

Ijaz Ahmed, Ramiz Rambo Raja, Muhammad Hafeez, Azhar Ali , Misbah ul Haq , Sarfraz Ahmed, Fawad Alam all had technical deficiencies same is the case with Rizwan.

Low Bounce and flat wickets are the main reason for out batsmen with flawed technique
 
Kianig89 said:
Most of Pakistan batsmen have/had technical issues but they somehow have managed to score runs at decent average.

Ijaz Ahmed, Ramiz Rambo Raja, Muhammad Hafeez, Azhar Ali , Misbah ul Haq , Sarfraz Ahmed, Fawad Alam all had technical deficiencies same is the case with Rizwan.

Low Bounce and flat wickets are the main reason for out batsmen with flawed technique
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Oh yes now Rizwan’s tailender like technique differs slightly to all of those batsmen

Oh bhai, tu rehnde!
 
still rizwan with his tailendertechnique has been the highest run getter for pak in tests since shan has taken over
Rana said:
Oh yes now Rizwan’s tailender like technique differs slightly to all of those batsmen

Oh bhai, tu rehnde!
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For all those who have watched cricket over decades will testify Ijaz Ahmed, Ramiz Raja, Hafeez , Fawad Alam, Azhar Ali,Sarfraz , Misbah none had thr perfect technique to survive in international cricket yet they somehow find a path.

Who can forget Misbah's ugly lunges against spin, Azhar Alis pendulum type pokes against moving ball, Hafeez slanted foot against new ball etc etc
 
Kianig89 said:
For all those who have watched cricket over decades will testify Ijaz Ahmed, Ramiz Raja, Hafeez , Fawad Alam, Azhar Ali,Sarfraz , Misbah none had thr perfect technique to survive in international cricket yet they somehow find a path.

Who can forget Misbah's ugly lunges against spin, Azhar Alis pendulum type pokes against moving ball, Hafeez slanted foot against new ball etc etc
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And yet none of them looked like a tailender the way Rizwan does.
 
Kianig89 said:
Most of Pakistan batsmen have/had technical issues but they somehow have managed to score runs at decent average.

Ijaz Ahmed, Ramiz Rambo Raja, Muhammad Hafeez, Azhar Ali , Misbah ul Haq , Sarfraz Ahmed, Fawad Alam all had technical deficiencies same is the case with Rizwan.

Low Bounce and flat wickets are the main reason for out batsmen with flawed technique
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Ijaz Ahmed yes his technique was ungainly.

Hafeez, Azhar Ali, Misbah, Sarfi are fine lol, You don't need to be a kabsoorat pretty yousaf level technique batter to be considered a good orthodox batsmen.

As for fawad alam, Fawad is overrated. He isn't the worst batter but he was always medicore. He should have replaced asad shafiq during the no 1 rank era. However saud shakeel was a good decison to replace him.

Their was no place for fawad when haris sohail was around and no their is no place now that saud shakeel is around.
 
Rana said:
Oh yes now Rizwan’s tailender like technique differs slightly to all of those batsmen

Oh bhai, tu rehnde!
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Rizwan is easily the ugliest batsmen I've ever seen that's survived more then 50 international games.

Yes uglier batters have existed but none of them have lasted longer them 20 to 30 international games.

People like to use the words Limited but effective and punches > his weight but the correct translation is Ugly batter who survives longer then he should due to selfish batting and managed to play 2 to 4 good innings in his entire international career spanning 100+ t20 games, 80+ odi games and 30+ test games
 
mominsaigol said:
Rizwan is easily the ugliest batsmen I've ever seen that's survived more then 50 international games.

Yes uglier batters have existed but none of them have lasted longer them 20 to 30 international games.

People like to use the words Limited but effective and punches > his weight but the correct translation is Ugly batter who survives longer then he should due to selfish batting and managed to play 2 to 4 good innings in his entire international career spanning 100+ t20 games, 80+ odi games and 30+ test games
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Bang average guy doing bang average things that are glorified to legendary status by bang average people.
 
Rana said:
Bang average guy doing bang average things that are glorified to legendary status by bang average people.
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It's because Pakistan hasn't had a single good keeper in its entire history. Sarfi's best moments are in test where he's played atg innings and ct where he was captain and played a crucial 62 not put against sri lanka.

^^ Hige respect to him for that but otherwise he was an okay keeper and an average batsmen. His defining trait was being unselfish and never putting himself > his team.

Kamran Akmal was an average batsmen and an atrocious keeper, his magic was that on the rare instance he kicked off, it was game over for the opposition.

The rest like moin Khan, Rashid latif, Wasim bari are products of their time and their fine for keepers who played during that era back when keeping was a specialist role and they were viewed as tailender batters.

Rizwan on the other hand is an all format 40 avg batter hence people promote him to some Atg or Pakistan great status but he's just an average player.

^^ My issue with him is that he and his fans think that he is bigger then he really is. He views himself as some Warner level opener in t20, some crucial inzi level odi batter and some clutch lower order test bat, when in reality the likes of kamran ghulam, Saud shakeel, agha(in odi and test) are better batters then he is.
 
mominsaigol said:
He views himself as some Warner level opener in t20, some crucial inzi level odi batter and some clutch lower order test bat, when in reality the likes of kamran ghulam, Saud shakeel, agha(in odi and test) are better batters then he is.
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Does he really view himself as things?
 
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