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it was out,

i believe its also agaisnt the spirit of the game to take run advantage of stepping out of your crease
 
I disagree. The bowler hasn't completed his delivery and the non-striker has walked out of his crease.
 
rough but it's part of the game these thing happen. On the bright side It is going to make this chase more interesting... Let's hope this chase Builds the character of our boys
 
Def against the spirt of the game. You can’t teach kids to take wickets without applying any skills.

If we continue to promote this rule, we will see half of the wickets fallen by this.
 
I didn’t watch the game but usually, the bowler gives a warning and threatens to take the bail off and if the batsman continues to edge out of the crease, the bowler takes the bails off on the next delivery...

Nevertheless, this is most certainly against the spirit of the game and poor sportsmanship from the Afghans. Pathetic stuff from people who should know better. Especially as they are not U19 and most of their players are in the late 20’s so they should be more mature than this...

Afghans are usually very patriotic and they will stoop to the lowest of lows to try and win or one up you. I experienced this LIVE in the World Cup match (Pak vs Afg) and the fans especially didn’t know how to behave and interact with other humans.
 
Mankads are never really in the spirit of the game but legally it is out. Shame it is this way but in the bigger picture, batsmen should also not be allowed to have a head start. This rule keeps them in check. Huraira will never do this again.
 
Its funny when the rule only comes to the mind when team is struggling. Hurraira must have been out of the crease regularly since the start however Afghans only thought of using the rule when they were struggling in the match.
 
My issue is that why doesn't this happen in every other game?
 
MenInG said:
My issue is that why doesn't this happen in every other game?
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Exactly.

Also why it never happens at the start only when match is is a tense situation or a team is loosing it.
 
Titan24 said:
Exactly.

Also why it never happens at the start only when match is is a tense situation or a team is loosing it.
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Or trying to show their real spirit of the game.

I am not directing this comment towards any nation, but these sort of cheap rules are famous within subcontinent (especially in India and Bangladesh).
 
Just because it is in the law, it doesn't make it morally correct.
A lot of things are legal which are not seen as ethical
 
Titan24 said:
Its funny when the rule only comes to the mind when team is struggling. Hurraira must have been out of the crease regularly since the start however Afghans only thought of using the rule when they were struggling in the match.
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He was outside of the match since the beginning
 
A law which can be used as needed.

Captain sees the batsman out of the crease and does nothing as he knows the wicket is already under the bag if its a necessity as they can always mankad that player without a warning.
 
It’s against the spirit but not the laws of the game..

There is a difference
 
However i also understand that mankadding happens, it looks annoying and not fun to watch because it happens before the play of the ball.

I think in future, ICC could amend the rule, where if the batsmen is caught by the bowler in trying to take an extra run, than a 1 run penalty could be deducted from the teams total. But this should only happen if the bowler catches him
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Taking a lead is not in spirit of the game either. Good from Noor for taking advantage.
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All the bowlers who dont mankad a batsmen should be questioned for their lack of dedication towards their country or team? If its a good thing it needs to be done more often and should be taken advantage of and anybody who doesnt should be questioned then as what is that one thing he is holding in higher regard than his country and team.
 
Titan24 said:
All the bowlers who dont mankad a batsmen should be questioned for their lack of dedication towards their country or team? If its a good thing it needs to be done more often and should be taken advantage of and anybody who doesnt should be questioned then as what is that one thing he is holding in higher regard than his country and team.
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You've got it.
 
Not saying that it happened with Pakistan this is an absolutely stupid law. How can a batsmen be given out before a ball is even bowled makes the game of cricket look very stupid. This is on par with getting out on a wide delivery that is another law I want changed.
 
If mankad is the bowlers equivalent of the Batsmen playing a switch hit, it still isn’t a fair response
 
If anything... Malik’s cousin was acting against the Spirit of the game.

It’s within the ICC rules; please get over it.
 
Yes. It is. I hate this dismissal is being made fun of using the phrase "spirit of the game". In contrast what batsman does is against spirit of the game. You clearly see batsman gets a head start. It is part of the laws. That is what happened there. Let us stop acting dramatic after every mankading. Ashwin opened the pandora's box and he stood by his decision even though Kohli didn't support.
 
Don't act like minnows.

A job very well done by the bowler. This guy was going against the spirit of the game by being outside the crease before the ball had been bowled.

What a loser. Needs to learn how to bat and spirit plus laws of the game.

Excellent work by AFG players. A perfectly valid wicket, within spirit and laws of the game. More bowlers need to do this to sore losers who leave the crease when they aren't supposed to.

It's cheating. Stay within the crease when you're supposed to. Don't take unfair advantage and act like losers, cheats.
 
How is this guy in our u19 team when he doesn't even know when he's supposed to leave the crease.

Malik's relative some people are saying.

Drop him for a good number of matches to teach this cheat a lesson. Relatives power doesn't mean you get to cheat.
 
Unethical dismissal but fully legal.

Not in the spirit of game but you can expect this type of thing in a knockout game.
 
sweep_shot said:
Unethical dismissal but fully legal.

Not in the spirit of game but you can expect this type of thing in a knockout game.
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Unethical act was by the batsman. He was cheating and taking unfair plus illegal advantage.
 
After Ashwin's mankading every goddamn batsman stood firmly in the crease until the delivery was bowled. They showed even Kohli. I am not sure who started this "spirit of the game" crap. I am sure some ENglish old commies started this. Everybody is following it.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
After Ashwin's mankading every goddamn batsman stood firmly in the crease until the delivery was bowled. They showed even Kohli. I am not sure who started this "spirit of the game" crap. I am sure some ENglish old commies started this. Everybody is following it.
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Yes. Looks like this Huraira guy doesn't know where to stand when at the bowlers end.

This lesson will be enough for his lifetime. Won't do this illegal act again.
 
There is a difference rules of the game and spirit of cricket. Mankading is against the spirit of the game but so is standing outside the crease to shorten the distance of running.

We also need to consider the fact that when your team is in a desperate situation, very few players will care about the spirit of the game.
 
Hawkeye said:
How is this guy in our u19 team when he doesn't even know when he's supposed to leave the crease.

Malik's relative some people are saying.

Drop him for a good number of matches to teach this cheat a lesson. Relatives power doesn't mean you get to cheat.
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Before you post your rubbish, try to understand that if he wasn’t there today Pakistan might have lost the match. His innings was one of the best I have seen at this level and he was making debut.

And this could have happend to even the most expeienced players.

Can’t believe people can post such crap on this forum
 
Mamoon said:
There is a difference rules of the game and spirit of cricket. Mankading is against the spirit of the game but so is standing outside the crease to shorten the distance of running.

We also need to consider the fact that when your team is in a desperate situation, very few players will care about the spirit of the game.
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You are totally mistaken. There is a rule in place for this. When you follow that rule you don’t go against the spirit of the game. The Afghans didn’t nothing wrong. They followed the rules.
 
There shouldn't even be a talk about the spirit of the game in such instances.

5 years from now on, such talks will cease to exist and rightfully so.
 
IAJ said:
You are totally mistaken. There is a rule in place for this. When you follow that rule you don’t go against the spirit of the game. The Afghans didn’t nothing wrong. They followed the rules.
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Spirit of the game is different from rules of the game. That is why it is called spirit. However, it is often subjective.

Mankading is a coward’s dismissal, but it is still legal. You don’t want to see it but you cannot ban it either because the batsmen will take undue advantage.

Unfortunately, ICC cannot do anything about Mankading. It is what it is.
 
IAJ said:
Before you post your rubbish, try to understand that if he wasn’t there today Pakistan might have lost the match. His innings was one of the best I have seen at this level and he was making debut.

And this could have happend to even the most expeienced players.

Can’t believe people can post such crap on this forum
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I know he scored for us. That doesn't mean he didn't do an illegal cheat act.

Stop mixing the two things. Amir won many matches for us but him intentionally bowling no balls was wrong.

Afridi eating the ball was wrong and unfair advantage.

A batsman intentionally taking illegal and unfair advantage by not standing where he's supposed to is also wrong and doing an illegal act.
 
Batsmen get away with lots of stuff which are legal in cricket but actually shouldn’t be - for eg. scoring runs off byes, leg byes,unintended deflections from a batsmen while running between wickets etc, so why single out a Mankad? Mankading is fair game unless there is a blanket change in all these stupid technical allowances.
 
Mamoon said:
Spirit of the game is different from rules of the game. That is why it is called spirit. However, it is often subjective.

Mankading is a coward’s dismissal, but it is still legal. You don’t want to see it but you cannot ban it either because the batsmen will take undue advantage.

Unfortunately, ICC cannot do anything about Mankading. It is what it is.
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You can change it though.
Make a law that the batsman has to be warned at least once before actually carrying out the act
 
Bezli said:
Def against the spirt of the game. You can’t teach kids to take wickets without applying any skills.

If we continue to promote this rule, we will see half of the wickets fallen by this.
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Easy way to avoid that would be be to teach the kids not to leave the crease until after the ball is released and obey the rules of the game.
 
IAJ said:
Before you post your rubbish, try to understand that if he wasn’t there today Pakistan might have lost the match. His innings was one of the best I have seen at this level and he was making debut.

And this could have happend to even the most expeienced players.

Can’t believe people can post such crap on this forum
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Agreed. The post should be classified as the Worst Post of the Week.
 
Mamoon said:
Spirit of the game is different from rules of the game. That is why it is called spirit. However, it is often subjective.

Mankading is a coward’s dismissal, but it is still legal. You don’t want to see it but you cannot ban it either because the batsmen will take undue advantage.

Unfortunately, ICC cannot do anything about Mankading. It is what it is.
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You can’t hide behind your term here when the law is clear. Had they hit om head and didn’t go up to him and ask about his well being, that would have been against the spirit of the game.
And a good example was when Kiwis carried the windies batter, that was the right spirit.
So when there is a law in place and players use it, you can’t say that is against the spirit of the game, just because the players don’t do this much.

Anyways my last post on this topic.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
You can change it though.
Make a law that the batsman has to be warned at least once before actually carrying out the act
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Why is that? Batsmen know that they will be out if they are caught out of the crease when the ball is in play.
 
I think, AFGs were desperate for a wicket and they were ready to stress the law it's last limit - even the WK appealed for a"catch" of Ruhail's bat, GROUND, pad .... It's such an uncommon type of dismissal that PAK boys were not even expecting - that opener kid wasn't attempting any run either, but AFG's didn't break any law for sure.

I am against eliminating "Mankad" rule, because then batsmen will take unfair advantage; and in modern days' sports, there is not much space for fair play - AFGs did something within law, but not in proper spirit.

I think, Mankad rule needs to be revisited - some authority for the Umpires should be there to judge if there is a deliberate ploy of stealing a single or not. They do it in soccer for hand-ball and in Basketball as well many fouls are judgmental (they use replays if required), while in NFL similar act might result in different verdict, depending on Referee.
 
Good to see our Afghan brothers continuing the great tradition of Mankad started by Indians.

However it is definitely against the spirit of the game.

Remember Cricket is a game of elites. Of Gentlemen!

It's not a game of peasants for example Football or Rugby. We have a responsibility to uphold the class and integrity of this game
 
Don’t care now.

This boy needs to be in the Pakistan team. Saw some of his batting and his boundary fielding. Very bright prospect.

Anyone know how much of an education he has recieved? Doesn’t seem to carry himself as a typical 5th grade drop out
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Good to see our Afghan brothers continuing the great tradition of Mankad started by Indians.

However it is definitely against the spirit of the game.

Remember Cricket is a game of elites. Of Gentlemen!

It's not a game of peasants for example Football or Rugby. We have a responsibility to uphold the class and integrity of this game
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Rugby is a game of Gentlemen also.
 
Rana said:
Don’t care now.

This boy needs to be in the Pakistan team. Saw some of his batting and his boundary fielding. Very bright prospect.

Anyone know how much of an education he has recieved? Doesn’t seem to carry himself as a typical 5th grade drop out
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Mate calm down its only U19 cricket - played against many U19 players in premier cricket in England they can hardly survive against us.
 
Quotes from Mohammed Huraira regarding this incident:

"This was my first game so a bit of a bitter experience (mankad incident) but I will learn from my mistake as I should have been in the crease, I will ensure that it will not happen again"
 
Its a difficult one.

For some reason Mankad'ing without warning has always been seen as being against the spirit of the game. However, for some reason when a wicket keeper stumps a batsmen with his foot inches off the ground or a spin bowler turns the ball just enough to get a feather of an edge to have the batsmen caught behind, we pile heaps of praise on the respective keeper and spinner.

I feel we have been conditioned to be anti-Mankad'ing but cricket is a game of tiny margins and a couple of millimeters can be the difference between winning and losing. That is what makes this game so beautiful.

Imagine a fielder taking a blinder of a catch on the boundary only then to deliberately drop the ball and give the batsmen a warning instead of claiming his wicket.

Or a stumping opportunity not being availed by a keeper and the keeper choosing to warn the batsmen instead.

It sounds absurd - so why do we expect the bowler to deliberately not run out the non-striker when he is clearly out of his crease?

It's within the rules of the game and that's the end of it. I am all for spirit of cricket and think spirit of cricket is extremely important but I don't think this comes into it.

Now don't get me wrong - you will always get the odd batsmen who will walk even when he is given not-out because he knows he's edged it and the odd bowler who will chose to warn the batsmen before Mankad'ing them - but that's up to those individual players to decide what they want to do. No doubt if they show such sportsmanship they will be praised, however, to go ahead and claim an opportunity the opposition is presenting you with does not make you a poor sportsman in my opinion.
 
MenInG said:
Quotes from Mohammed Huraira regarding this incident:

"This was my first game so a bit of a bitter experience (mankad incident) but I will learn from my mistake as I should have been in the crease, I will ensure that it will not happen again"
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Best possible response under the circumstance - kid must be intelligent and educated. I believe he is still in studies.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Good to see our Afghan brothers continuing the great tradition of Mankad started by Indians.


However it is definitely against the spirit of the game.

Remember Cricket is a game of elites. Of Gentlemen!

It's not a game of peasants for example Football or Rugby. We have a responsibility to uphold the class and integrity of this game
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What a classist comment- this is not victorian England & the ‘elites’ don’t own the game anymore!
 
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IAJ said:
You can’t hide behind your term here when the law is clear. Had they hit om head and didn’t go up to him and ask about his well being, that would have been against the spirit of the game.
And a good example was when Kiwis carried the windies batter, that was the right spirit.
So when there is a law in place and players use it, you can’t say that is against the spirit of the game, just because the players don’t do this much.

Anyways my last post on this topic.
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I am not hiding. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to understand the difference between what’s legal and what’s ethical.
 
Letter of the law and spirit of the law debate.

Video of incident added in Post #1
 
Mamoon said:
I am not hiding. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to understand the difference between what’s legal and what’s ethical.
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Your definition of it depends on who is the perpetrator and who is at the receiving end. If it was the other way round, you would have blasted the Pakistani as the biggest cheat on earth.

I’m sorry but you should not comment on what’s morally right and what’s morally wrong.
 
Hawkeye said:
I know he scored for us. That doesn't mean he didn't do an illegal cheat act.

Stop mixing the two things. Amir won many matches for us but him intentionally bowling no balls was wrong.

Afridi eating the ball was wrong and unfair advantage.

A batsman intentionally taking illegal and unfair advantage by not standing where he's supposed to is also wrong and doing an illegal act.
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Who said it’s illegal to take those steps out? Are you even serious comparing this with the act of Aamir?

By that logic it is illegal to take a single as you are taking advantage of adding a run to your total and on top of that you are taking a risk as you can be run out, uff uff scary stuff.
 
Rana said:
Don’t care now.

This boy needs to be in the Pakistan team. Saw some of his batting and his boundary fielding. Very bright prospect.

Anyone know how much of an education he has recieved? Doesn’t seem to carry himself as a typical 5th grade drop out
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He has very good english so obvious educated. The question is where has he been for last 2 years always travelling with the Under 19 team but never picked by IJAZ Ahmed why!!
 
IAJ said:
Who said it’s illegal to take those steps out? Are you even serious comparing this with the act of Aamir?

By that logic it is illegal to take a single as you are taking advantage of adding a run to your total and on top of that you are taking a risk as you can be run out, uff uff scary stuff.
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You can run and take a single, just not before the bowler is done with his job.
 
Saffers and Kiwis can play for spirits :P, rest can play for the trophy and for the win that doesn’t break the rules
 
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MMHS said:
I think, AFGs were desperate for a wicket and they were ready to stress the law it's last limit - even the WK appealed for a"catch" of Ruhail's bat, GROUND, pad .... It's such an uncommon type of dismissal that PAK boys were not even expecting - that opener kid wasn't attempting any run either, but AFG's didn't break any law for sure.

I am against eliminating "Mankad" rule, because then batsmen will take unfair advantage; and in modern days' sports, there is not much space for fair play - AFGs did something within law, but not in proper spirit.

I think, Mankad rule needs to be revisited - some authority for the Umpires should be there to judge if there is a deliberate ploy of stealing a single or not. They do it in soccer for hand-ball and in Basketball as well many fouls are judgmental (they use replays if required), while in NFL similar act might result in different verdict, depending on Referee.
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5, or 10 runs penalty is fair enough and won't be termed against the spirit of game. Also it will release inhibitions of bowlers and teams who are at disadvantage for not using this, courtesy their doubts wrt spirit of game.

Runs penalty should be the rule. Fair enough.
 
IAJ said:
You are totally mistaken. There is a rule in place for this. When you follow that rule you don’t go against the spirit of the game. The Afghans didn’t nothing wrong. They followed the rules.
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So the underarm ball wasn't against the spirit of the game...?
 
Plain stupid from afghans. He was like 2 cm out of his crease.

Just when i think i cant dislike the afghan attitude anymore, this happens.
 
Agree with the rule but hate mankading. Part of the game however. I do believe that it should not count as a ball because the striker did not face a delivery
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Courtney Walsh refused to mankad Saleem Jaffar and it cost West Indies a place in the 1987 World Cup semi-final <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/RqmCg2zZSR">pic.twitter.com/RqmCg2zZSR</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110471639811133441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Courtney Walsh refused to mankad Saleem Jaffar and it cost West Indies a place in the 1987 World Cup semi-final <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/RqmCg2zZSR">pic.twitter.com/RqmCg2zZSR</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110471639811133441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He was in his delivery stride, this would have been not out even if he had taken the bails off.
 
If mankad rule was not in place then some batsmen would've surely tried to take an unfair advantage of it. Gautam Gambhir, for example.

That would then be called "lack of sportsman spirit by the batsman".

Looks like the batsman is more likely to abuse the spirit of the game as the bowler could hardly do anything about it if this rule wasn't in place. So yes, indeed we need to have this rule.

Kohli has said it very clearly and it should be a great suggestion to all youngsters.

When I am on the non-striker's end, I watch the ball in the bowler's hand and do not leave my crease unless the ball is released.

To bring back the sportsman spirit aspect of the game, I think they should bring back the rule of one warning to the batsman (just like the bowler gets a warning for the first beamer).

And if the batsman ignores the warning then definitely deserves to be mankaded.
 
Alternatively 5 penalty runs if the batsman is out of his crease at the time of release, fielding team can appeal to the third umpire for a check.
 
Was the 4 runs off Stokes bat that deflected to the boundary when he dived in the spirit of the game?
 
Courtney Walsh refused to mankand Saleem Jaffar and it cost his team a place in the WC SF (1987).

“Spirit of the game” is nonsense!

There’s a reason why AUS have won 5 WC’s (the next highest is 2) and has the highest win percentage in Tests and ODI’s (SA has .28 higher percentage but has played ~21 years less, so skewed).

They are the most hated and yet the most successful. There is a correlation.

Wake up!
 
cricketjoshila said:
Was the 4 runs off Stokes bat that deflected to the boundary when he dived in the spirit of the game?
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How can you even compare that with this?

Stokes didn’t intentionally put his bat forward but the Afghan bowler did hit the stumps on purpose

Also Stokes apologised straight after but this guy started to celebrate
Massive difference
 
as-95 said:
I didn’t watch the game but usually, the bowler gives a warning and threatens to take the bail off and if the batsman continues to edge out of the crease, the bowler takes the bails off on the next delivery...

Nevertheless, this is most certainly against the spirit of the game and poor sportsmanship from the Afghans. Pathetic stuff from people who should know better. Especially as they are not U19 and most of their players are in the late 20’s so they should be more mature than this...

Afghans are usually very patriotic and they will stoop to the lowest of lows to try and win or one up you. I experienced this LIVE in the World Cup match (Pak vs Afg) and the fans especially didn’t know how to behave and interact with other humans.
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Was at that game.

Felt like I was part of a war.
 
MMHS said:
Best possible response under the circumstance - kid must be intelligent and educated. I believe he is still in studies.
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Spoke with him. HE is educated and still studying.

The nephew of the great Shoaib Malik, played spin like him too.
 
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