[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Pakistani woman held over alleged blasphemy after mob attack for dress in Lahore

Majority Muslims nations aren’t as ethnically diverse as Pakistan or as populated.

Even if they come close to diversity they have higher per capita income.
only modern Tolerant Muslim societies that come to mind are Malaysia and Indonesia and both are again not that diverse ethnically.
Ethnic diversity hasn't got much to do with it I don't think.

The per capita income probably has.

The fact is that as @Cpt. Rishwat is rightly pointing out these acts only seem to happen in the Indian subcontinent.

You won't find many examples of people being lynched from blasphemy or what they eat anywhere else.

It's a fair point he makes.
 
Mob violence shouldn't be endorsed and rewarded, that is the pertinent point is it not? Pakistan likes to portray itself as an Islamic nation therefore the people there should at least understand basic legal structures in an islamic country.

As for your country, you have your own laws and if mob violence is seen as advantageous, not something we can judge on, it is what it is.
I think you are mistaken , you seem to have borrowed these weird attacking women for dress thing from
Afghan Muslim side of your ancestry.

I think that’s where Pakistanis need to look into as to why they are more like Afghans.
 
I think you are mistaken , you seem to have borrowed these weird attacking women for dress thing from
Afghan Muslim side of your ancestry.

I think that’s where Pakistanis need to look into as to why they are more like Afghans.

I haven't heard much about Afghan mob violence, certainly don't recall them electing leaders on the back of instigating it. But if they endorse it then we have to call them out on it. Let's see if any Afghan posters come on here and defend it.
 
I haven't heard much about Afghan mob violence, certainly don't recall them electing leaders on the back of instigating it. But if they endorse it then we have to call them out on it. Let's see if any Afghan posters come on here and defend it.
Bigotry and male chauvinism are bad, it doesnt matter where you inherit them from. I think its not a good look to use it as an India bashing or hindu bashing tool. Whether we got it from the east or the west, in the end its our people who are responsible for committing these shameful acts.
 
Bigotry and male chauvinism are bad, it doesnt matter where you inherit them from. I think its not a good look to use it as an India bashing or hindu bashing tool. Whether we got it from the east or the west, in the end its our people who are responsible for committing these shameful acts.

People can commit shameful acts anywhere and in any society. What separates civilisation from the tinpot countries is the institutions that prevent or punish people taking matters into their own hands to deter them from mob violence rather than reward them.
 
Punjab chief minister candidate Maryam Nawaz Sharif has expressed appreciation for the exemplary bravery, wisdom, and dedication to duty displayed by a senior police officer recently in Lahore.

In a heartfelt tribute to Gulberg Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) Syeda Shehrbano Naqvi on social media platform X, the senior PML-N leader lauded the police officer's decisive actions that averted a potential disaster, earning her accolades from the highest levels of the government.

"Thank you Shehrbano! We are all proud of you," she tweeted.



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Cpt. Rishwat has a point.

We Indians line up when it comes to taking credit on Yoga. Modern day Indians are most unfit nation on earth. More Westerners practice Yoga than Indians unless it's for a photo OP like Modi. Yoga is probably older than Hinduism itself.

Indians line up when it comes to appreciation of modern day Indian cuisine on a global level. What westerners refer to as Indian food is basically North Indian and Punjabi food on both sides of the border.

Same goes for music, attire, culture, you name it and Indians will downplay the contribution and role of Pakistan.

Indians should also own up to the fact that practice of Sati was part of Hindu culture if not Hindu religion. Indians always correct foreigners that Caste System is not part of Hinduism, so term Hindu culture should aptly apply to mob culture as well. Pakistan is a new nation and still going through getting rid of old Hindu culture rituals and traditions.
So are you implying Hindu religion has superior ability to leave deeper impression in the minds of people that couldn't be erased by Islam?
 
She truly deserves the credit for what she has done. Those people were illiterate and driven towards violence so that girl was going nowhere on her own. That lady ASP saved her life for that crazy mob. Well done.
 
Kudos to that lady ASP for protecting that lady from those vultures
Yeah and Kudos to that same ASP for making that woman apologize in police station to those same extremists!!! Wow what a fantastic job she did!!!
 
COAS General Asim Munir lauded Lahore Gulberg Circle Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) Syeda Shehrbano Naqvi for her selfless devotion to duty and professionalism in diffusing a volatile situation.

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COAS General Asim Munir lauded Lahore Gulberg Circle Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) Syeda Shehrbano Naqvi for her selfless devotion to duty and professionalism in diffusing a volatile situation.

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She was amazing. A role model for other police officers.
 
Interesting. Where do you think it has come from? :unsure:

There is a serious lack of knowledge in Pakistan when it comes to how to go about following the Deen and how one should carry themselves in worldly affairs. This obviously isn’t surprising for a nation which is illiterate as it gets.

From the Deen perspective, if you look at how many Muslims in Pakistan practice Islam, it’s full of Bid’ah. Examples include wearing of taweez (amulet for “protection”), going to the grave to seek aid from the dead, praying and supplications to the “saints”.

Bida'ah are religious practices/forms of worship that are not endorsed by the Quran and Sunnah. As a result, you have a nation that doesn’t understand how to apply the principles of Islam in their everyday lives in varying circumstances.

The bottom line is when you have Muslims in Pakistan making their own interpretations of the religion, should we be surprised if they take the law into their own hands?
 
religion gives some of the dumbest people on earth the most grandiose sense of self-righteousness
 
religion gives some of the dumbest people on earth the most grandiose sense of self-righteousness
But unfortunately people of Pakistan are far away from this thing. They are illiterate and believe whatever anybody says. No self-study to confirm the things that were said by other people.
 
There is a serious lack of knowledge in Pakistan when it comes to how to go about following the Deen and how one should carry themselves in worldly affairs. This obviously isn’t surprising for a nation which is illiterate as it gets.

From the Deen perspective, if you look at how many Muslims in Pakistan practice Islam, it’s full of Bid’ah. Examples include wearing of taweez (amulet for “protection”), going to the grave to seek aid from the dead, praying and supplications to the “saints”.

Bida'ah are religious practices/forms of worship that are not endorsed by the Quran and Sunnah. As a result, you have a nation that doesn’t understand how to apply the principles of Islam in their everyday lives in varying circumstances.

The bottom line is when you have Muslims in Pakistan making their own interpretations of the religion, should we be surprised if they take the law into their own hands?

Mullahs there are ten a penny, which is great, but there should be a uniform Sharia law in an Islamic republic so every individual sheikh isn't passing fatwas left and right. I am saying there should be a Shariah law because if you have a blasphemy law, then the constitution clearly isn't secular.

I don't see the point in apportioning blame to mobs or individuals if the institutions themselves aren't instilling the public with correct lawful procedure.

I echo what @sweep_shot has asked above: has there been any arrests?
 
Brave police officer ASP Shehrbano receives a royal reward from Saudi Arabia

Following her courageous efforts to save a lady from a violent crowd at Lahore Achhra Market, ASP Sherbano along with her family receives invitation for a royal visit from Saudi ambassador to Pakistan Nawaf Bin Said Al-Malki.

According to sources the diplomat shared the information with ASP shehrbano when they met at the Saudi embassy where the ambassador was hosting the brave lady officer.

Saudi ambassador appreciated the bravery of police officer and told her that the Saudi royal family will bear the expenses of her travel with her family to Saudi Arabia as royal guest.

He praised the ASP for her professionalism and unselfish commitment to her duty in controlling a heated situation.

The Gulberg ASP paid a visit to General Syed Asim Munir, the Chief of Army Staff (COAS), at General Headquarters one day prior.

Army chief recognized the important role of Pakistani woman in were playing in the society at large.

“Since independence, Pakistani women have distinguished themselves at home and abroad, by virtue of their talent, tenacity, and commitment,” he was quoted as saying.

IG Punjab Usman Anwar also recommended ASP shehrbano name for the Quied e Azam Police medal.

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PTI fans are now attacking the police officer who saved her life because she was appreciated by Asim Munir and have spread false propaganda against her that she is related to Munir etc
 
Shehbaz lauds Lahore cop for saving life of woman in Arabic print shirt

PM Shehbaz has lauded Lahore ASP Shehr Bano Naqvi for protecting the live of a woman clad in an Arabic print shirt from a mob attack.

In his victory speech after winning the PM election, he said harassment of women anywhere was unacceptable. Shehbaz also said that women will be provided with equal job opportunities and renumeration during his tenure.

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Cpt. Rishwat has a point.

We Indians line up when it comes to taking credit on Yoga. Modern day Indians are most unfit nation on earth. More Westerners practice Yoga than Indians unless it's for a photo OP like Modi. Yoga is probably older than Hinduism itself.

Indians line up when it comes to appreciation of modern day Indian cuisine on a global level. What westerners refer to as Indian food is basically North Indian and Punjabi food on both sides of the border.

Same goes for music, attire, culture, you name it and Indians will downplay the contribution and role of Pakistan.

Indians should also own up to the fact that practice of Sati was part of Hindu culture if not Hindu religion. Indians always correct foreigners that Caste System is not part of Hinduism, so term Hindu culture should aptly apply to mob culture as well. Pakistan is a new nation and still going through getting rid of old Hindu culture rituals and traditions.
Pakistani Muslims are not new converts to Islam from Hinduism. Majority of them have been Muslims for centuries now. Saying that they are still trying to come out of old Hindu habits makes no sense.

Indians may be unfit and perhaps the most unfit nation on earth. But Yoga is Indian. It is part of all dharmic religions . Modern Hinduism is only about 1200 years old. The Vedic religion is one of the oldest religions that is still practiced .
Regarding Sati, it is not as wide spread as the west tries to make it out to be. It made it to Hindu religion in the 6th century practiced mostly by Rajputs and warrior castes. Post Islamic invasions, they gained pace to escape slavery or end up as concubine of the invaders.
Credit to British and reformist movements of Hinduism for banning and working to eliminate this pathetic practice.
 
Yeah and Kudos to that same ASP for making that woman apologize in police station to those same extremists!!! Wow what a fantastic job she did!!!
If she wouldn't have apologized (although there was no mistake of hers) then should would be moving around with a target on her forehead. As any lunatic could still kill her believing she has done the gusthaki. There are cases where people have been killed even after being acquitted by courts.
 
Pakistani Muslims are not new converts to Islam from Hinduism. Majority of them have been Muslims for centuries now. Saying that they are still trying to come out of old Hindu habits makes no sense.

Indians may be unfit and perhaps the most unfit nation on earth. But Yoga is Indian. It is part of all dharmic religions . Modern Hinduism is only about 1200 years old. The Vedic religion is one of the oldest religions that is still practiced .
Regarding Sati, it is not as wide spread as the west tries to make it out to be. It made it to Hindu religion in the 6th century practiced mostly by Rajputs and warrior castes. Post Islamic invasions, they gained pace to escape slavery or end up as concubine of the invaders.
Credit to British and reformist movements of Hinduism for banning and working to eliminate this pathetic practice.

You just have to watch a Pakistani wedding ceremony to see how much hindu culture still prevails. Bridal dress is red as per hindu custom, mehndi ceremony also follows many hindu rituals. Not that there is anything wrong with any of it, unless the hindu culture specifically goes against Islamic religion, such as widow burning for example, then what is wrong with it?
 
So these defenders of Islam did not recognize that the wording on the dress were not verses of the Qur'an. Really, how ignorant can you be!?. They think that everything written in Arabic is holy!!. It is these people that are a threat to Pakistan more then any outside power. Zaid Hamid where are your likes now??.
 
So these defenders of Islam did not recognize that the wording on the dress were not verses of the Qur'an. Really, how ignorant can you be!?. They think that everything written in Arabic is holy!!. It is these people that are a threat to Pakistan more then any outside power. Zaid Hamid where are your likes now??.

Why do you expect Zaid Hamid to fix it? Is he responsible for implementing law in Pakistan?
 
You just have to watch a Pakistani wedding ceremony to see how much hindu culture still prevails. Bridal dress is red as per hindu custom, mehndi ceremony also follows many hindu rituals. Not that there is anything wrong with any of it, unless the hindu culture specifically goes against Islamic religion, such as widow burning for example, then what is wrong with it?
You do realize how much Islam has influenced India through music, entertainment, culinary, languages like Urdu, poetry, costumes and monuments like the Taj Mahal?. Many years back Indira Gandhi said she was concerned about the Islamization of India because Hindu's were forgetting their own culture . No, there is not an ounce of evidence that our forefathers were Hindu. If you want to play this game then Adam(as) the first man on earth was a Muslim. This means that all your ancestors have Muslim roots too.
 
Why do you expect Zaid Hamid to fix it? Is he responsible for implementing law in Pakistan?
I expect him to criticize such things when they happen. He is quick to do so the west yet remains silent when such fools do ridiculous things just because they are Muslim's.
 
I expect him to criticize such things when they happen. He is quick to do so the west yet remains silent when such fools do ridiculous things just because they are Muslim's.

The country would be better off if the citizens actually understood what is lawful and what isn't. If Zaid Hamid is the best person (in your eyes) to inform the public, then maybe he should be given a position in the Pakistan govt.
 
The country would be better off if the citizens actually understood what is lawful and what isn't. If Zaid Hamid is the best person (in your eyes) to inform the public, then maybe he should be given a position in the Pakistan govt.
You are obviously missing the point. Zaid Hamid may or may not be the best person but he sure has a large following. If he calls something out for when it is wrong then his followers will listen. Just like PTI stooges listen and obey everything IK says the likes of Zaid have the same power. What Pakistanis need to do is try to understand Islam themselves instead of listening to so-called experts. You see, to most Pakistanis Islam is much superior then the law of the land whatever that is. You tell them to follow the law of the land instead of what they consider as Islamic teachings then they'll take good care off you!
 
Is Zaid still active? I haven't seen him on TV for a while.
He has been banned by most channels for his constant war rhetoric, hatred of the west and conspiracy theories. Living on past Arab glories will not make Pakistan a great country. That is always his ridiculous and boring argument praising accomplishments by other Muslim's communities claiming them as our own. I absolutely hated it when he used to do that. He does not want to talk of how poorly Pakistanis are treated in Arab countries or the equal rights they receive in the west.
 
Is Zaid still active? I haven't seen him on TV for a while.

Never say never. If India can appoint as PM someone who oversaw a massacre of Muslim civilians in his own state after instructing police to stand down, then who could rule out Zaid Hamid in what is supposed to be an Islamic Republic?

We are talking the subcontinent here where supposedly educated hindus worship chaiwalas who promise a return to Hindu rashtra, I wouldn't rule out Zaid Hamid in a basket case country where no elected party has served a full term. Hmmm...on second thoughts maybe I would.
 
Zaid has had his day. He should retire now as no listen to him anymore instead he has become a comedian of sorts with his parody shows aired on Pak TV:love:. He was gonna take his Allama Iqbal who he is obsessed with too the Arab's!!;) This fool unsuccessfully tried so hard to get Pakistanis to be as obsessed with Iqbal like he is. It did not occur to him that Iqbal's poetry or so called philosophy was in Persian a language no one in Pak understands. When Pakistanis don't care about Iqbal then the Arab's certainly will not either. His arguments were famously thrashed by Hassan Nisar many years back. He was totally humiliated on TV.
 
You do realize how much Islam has influenced India through music, entertainment, culinary, languages like Urdu, poetry, costumes and monuments like the Taj Mahal?. Many years back Indira Gandhi said she was concerned about the Islamization of India because Hindu's were forgetting their own culture . No, there is not an ounce of evidence that our forefathers were Hindu. If you want to play this game then Adam(as) the first man on earth was a Muslim. This means that all your ancestors have Muslim roots too.
Most Pakistani people from Punjab and Sindh have ancestors who are Hindus or Buddhist or Jains. People from Balochistan for sure have Zoroastrian ancestors and people from KPK have Buddhist/Hindu ancestors.

There is no evidence of Adam ever existing and humans did not come from one single individual. It is an evolving process as a group of individuals. Natural selection takes thousands and millions of years. Faith has no room in the real world history.
 
Most Pakistani people from Punjab and Sindh have ancestors who are Hindus or Buddhist or Jains. People from Balochistan for sure have Zoroastrian ancestors and people from KPK have Buddhist/Hindu ancestors.

There is no evidence of Adam ever existing and humans did not come from one single individual. It is an evolving process as a group of individuals. Natural selection takes thousands and millions of years. Faith has no room in the real world history.
Look at the bigger picture instead of nit picking who is whose ancestor. Next you will be telling us the west was Hindu as well! The bigger picture is the first man on earth according to Islam was Adam(as) and from him humanity started. Do you want a photograph of Adam(as) or something? In Sri Lanka you can find his footprint even today so it is a matter of faith. I can argue that Ram or Krishna did not exist either. Where is your evidence?.

Most people today do believe in some form of religion therefore it has plenty off room. Nowadays people are fighting over religion like never before in modern times. You see in Islam it does not matter what the old man believed at all. Islam is truly an intellectual leadership so much that Allah will not ask a disabled person "why did you not pray?" Islam means thinking for yourself this is why most Muslim's are not Arab's!
 
Look at the bigger picture instead of nit picking who is whose ancestor. Next you will be telling us the west was Hindu as well! The bigger picture is the first man on earth according to Islam was Adam(as) and from him humanity started. Do you want a photograph of Adam(as) or something? In Sri Lanka you can find his footprint even today so it is a matter of faith. I can argue that Ram or Krishna did not exist either. Where is your evidence?.

Most people today do believe in some form of religion therefore it has plenty off room. Nowadays people are fighting over religion like never before in modern times. You see in Islam it does not matter what the old man believed at all. Islam is truly an intellectual leadership so much that Allah will not ask a disabled person "why did you not pray?" Islam means thinking for yourself this is why most Muslim's are not Arab's!
Hence it is called faith. No relation to the actual ground realities of the world we live in. You can believe in anything your brain permits. The reality is quite different.
 
You just have to watch a Pakistani wedding ceremony to see how much hindu culture still prevails. Bridal dress is red as per hindu custom, mehndi ceremony also follows many hindu rituals. Not that there is anything wrong with any of it, unless the hindu culture specifically goes against Islamic religion, such as widow burning for example, then what is wrong with it?
THis has changed a lot. I noticed modern Pakistan weddings rarely have the red bridal dress, very refreshing.
 
Hence it is called faith. No relation to the actual ground realities of the world we live in. You can believe in anything your brain permits. The reality is quite different.
And we should simply believe your word that what your preach being reality is true?

Scientists still come up with theories on the evolution of man, there is nothing concrete at the moment if humanity all evolved from separate ancestors or had one common ancestor. Just because you hold belief in some theory that goes against what the Abrahamaic faith teaches us, does not make you right.
 
And we should simply believe your word that what your preach being reality is true?

Scientists still come up with theories on the evolution of man, there is nothing concrete at the moment if humanity all evolved from separate ancestors or had one common ancestor. Just because you hold belief in some theory that goes against what the Abrahamaic faith teaches us, does not make you right.
Evolution does not depend on faith. It is based on evidence. We have enough fossil evidence for evolution. If you want to believe that God created a 90 foot Adam from mud and placed him in Srilanka and then he walked all the way to Mecca, its your faith.
 
You do realize how much Islam has influenced India through music, entertainment, culinary, languages like Urdu, poetry, costumes and monuments like the Taj Mahal?. Many years back Indira Gandhi said she was concerned about the Islamization of India because Hindu's were forgetting their own culture . No, there is not an ounce of evidence that our forefathers were Hindu. If you want to play this game then Adam(as) the first man on earth was a Muslim. This means that all your ancestors have Muslim roots too.
There's very little genetic evidence of deviation in the genes between the Pakistani and Indian populations in the last 1500 or so years. Most of the trace markers from the Caucasian and North African gene pool seem to date from the Bronze Age. It's therefore very likely that most of the population in the subcontinent are locals.

Not that it means much but that clearly points to the fact that almost the entire population of the subcontinent -India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. were either Hindu, Buddhist or Jain since there were the dominant religions of the time.
 
Evolution does not depend on faith. It is based on evidence. We have enough fossil evidence for evolution. If you want to believe that God created a 90 foot Adam from mud and placed him in Srilanka and then he walked all the way to Mecca, its your faith.

But can you completely discount out any theories, is my question? WHat exactly is it that you are claiming? That humanity evolved in multiple parts of the world, completely detached from each other and the first humans sprouted up all over the place without a common ancestor? If so, where is the proof of that?

You quite simply debunked the theory that humanity had one common acenstor, the first man who is supposed to be the father of all humanity. I am not saying either one is accurate, the jury is still out. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM, its untrue, the onus is on you to disprove it.

Also, kindly stop mentioning the names of holy places in such manners and tones as to portray people's faith and the status of those holy places in negative light. This is an internet forum, not India.
 
But can you completely discount out any theories, is my question? WHat exactly is it that you are claiming? That humanity evolved in multiple parts of the world, completely detached from each other and the first humans sprouted up all over the place without a common ancestor? If so, where is the proof of that?

You quite simply debunked the theory that humanity had one common acenstor, the first man who is supposed to be the father of all humanity. I am not saying either one is accurate, the jury is still out. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM, its untrue, the onus is on you to disprove it.

Also, kindly stop mentioning the names of holy places in such manners and tones as to portray people's faith and the status of those holy places in negative light. This is an internet forum, not India.
Mecca is also a city. Not referring to the Islamic holy shrines in Mecca.

It is completely disproven that Humans came from one man Adam and his wife came from his rib.
 
Mecca is also a city. Not referring to the Islamic holy shrines in Mecca.

It is completely disproven that Humans came from one man Adam and his wife came from his rib.
Slapping names on the ancestors is a cheap effort to turn a dsicussion around science into faith.

Let us not involve faith into the discussion here. You claimed as if you are a certified and respected expert on the matter, so lets stick to science. I want to go by proper scientific theory here, and there are tons of them out there. Studies are still on going. There is no concrete theory of evolution. Scientists publish new and more developed hypothesis every day.

So for someone like you to simply stand up and claim humanity did NOT evolve from one human or a pair of first humans, is a fallacy. If you prove your claim, I will happily concede.
 
THis has changed a lot. I noticed modern Pakistan weddings rarely have the red bridal dress, very refreshing.

I think that may be because Pakistani weddings in western countries don't follow traditional subcontinent style any more, there is more of a western fusion and this may be getting reflected back in Pakistan as well.
 
I think that may be because Pakistani weddings in western countries don't follow traditional subcontinent style any more, there is more of a western fusion and this may be getting reflected back in Pakistan as well.

I was talking about Pakistani weddings in Pakistan. There were quite a few of those in my family recently and I noticed none of them wore the traditional red colors. In fact, my wife also did not and we got married a while back. Then again, my family is from a metropolitan are of Pakistan. I cannot speak to the good old country weddings. They may still be using the traditional colors.
 
I was talking about Pakistani weddings in Pakistan. There were quite a few of those in my family recently and I noticed none of them wore the traditional red colors. In fact, my wife also did not and we got married a while back. Then again, my family is from a metropolitan are of Pakistan. I cannot speak to the good old country weddings. They may still be using the traditional colors.

Can't really speak as to what is going on in Pakistan since I don't really follow weddings over there, but in the UK there was a shift away from red a generation ago, but now I've seen it creeping back in, maybe just to buck against the trend. These things are often driven by fashion rather than culture or tradition.
 
This woman is related to Mohsin Naqvi and Asim Munir. Mohsin Naqvi's sister is married to Asim Munir.

She got a lot of praise and attention in this episode but no mention of the Christian shop owner who put the shutters down to prevent the mob from attacking the woman.

This woman Shehrbano has been photographed and video recorded man handling many PTI men and women. There is a video of her in a police station where she orders someone to cover a CCTV camera with a cloth and everyone can figure what they did with the suspect in custody afterwards.
 
This woman is related to Mohsin Naqvi and Asim Munir. Mohsin Naqvi's sister is married to Asim Munir.

She got a lot of praise and attention in this episode but no mention of the Christian shop owner who put the shutters down to prevent the mob from attacking the woman.

This woman Shehrbano has been photographed and video recorded man handling many PTI men and women. There is a video of her in a police station where she orders someone to cover a CCTV camera with a cloth and everyone can figure what they did with the suspect in custody afterwards.
Remarkable if true.
 
Not uncommon I think. A lot of these supercops have both sides. KPS Gill comes to mind. That's why it's best not to make to place them on a pedestal.
KPS gill will be hated by his community and the hockey community for years to come.
 
But can you completely discount out any theories, is my question? WHat exactly is it that you are claiming? That humanity evolved in multiple parts of the world, completely detached from each other and the first humans sprouted up all over the place without a common ancestor? If so, where is the proof of that?

You quite simply debunked the theory that humanity had one common acenstor, the first man who is supposed to be the father of all humanity. I am not saying either one is accurate, the jury is still out. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CLAIM, its untrue, the onus is on you to disprove it.

Also, kindly stop mentioning the names of holy places in such manners and tones as to portray people's faith and the status of those holy places in negative light. This is an internet forum, not India.
I think people should give it a break.

Some other posters mocks other religion so much that it has become somewhat a norm unlike the old days.

Previously, the respect was there from both the sides. Currently, one triggers the other and makes a loop.
 
And we should simply believe your word that what your preach being reality is true?

Scientists still come up with theories on the evolution of man, there is nothing concrete at the moment if humanity all evolved from separate ancestors or had one common ancestor. Just because you hold belief in some theory that goes against what the Abrahamaic faith teaches us, does not make you right.
That doesn't make him wrong also. What you claim is true as long as you belive in abrahamic faith.

Outside that dimension, that theory doesn't hold any value.
 
That doesn't make him wrong also. What you claim is true as long as you belive in abrahamic faith.

Outside that dimension, that theory doesn't hold any value.
This is exactly the point I am trying to prove. If you want to keep the discussion and views faithcentric, great! I will not question you.

But what he did was starting to throw shade on the faith claiming an angle from science, which is not entirely proven. If you can prove it using science, I will be happy to accept it but its not a fact otherwise. In absence of any scientific evidence and view, its nothing but your own personal view. Dont mascarade it as a scientific fact.
 
I think people should give it a break.

Some other posters mocks other religion so much that it has become somewhat a norm unlike the old days.

Previously, the respect was there from both the sides. Currently, one triggers the other and makes a loop.
Two wrongs dont make a right. I never disrespected anyone's religion and you should have the common decency and respect to not throw names of holy men and places out in a context of sarcastic insult when directly responding to me. My question was fairly clear and I did not contextualize it in a derogatory light on hinduism.
 
The Policewoman is getting too much attention and hype from the Western Media , like she did something very courageous by defending an innocent woman from Misogynistic Pakistani Zombie Muslim males lol

Good publicity for the Policewoman, Bad publicity for Pakistan.
 
There's very little genetic evidence of deviation in the genes between the Pakistani and Indian populations in the last 1500 or so years. Most of the trace markers from the Caucasian and North African gene pool seem to date from the Bronze Age. It's therefore very likely that most of the population in the subcontinent are locals.

Not that it means much but that clearly points to the fact that almost the entire population of the subcontinent -India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. were either Hindu, Buddhist or Jain since there were the dominant religions of the time.
Once more we have to start with all of humanity instead of Pak's and Indian's. Indeed, humanity is one as a whole. I once gave blood to a Mexican lady....how amazing that we shared the same blood group despite not being related in any way whatsoever. What is this obsession that Indian people have with only the people of the subcontinent?. We have to look at the overall picture instead. There is no evidence that the earliest people of the subcontinent were Hindu's at all. The people of Harappa followed no organized religion at all. Even during those times most people consumed beef something that is frowned up by most Hindu's.
 
Hence it is called faith. No relation to the actual ground realities of the world we live in. You can believe in anything your brain permits. The reality is quite different.
The reality is Islam for us Muslim's and the living miracle is the noble Qur'an.! Then don't tell that there was someone called Ram or Laxman when there is no historical recorded evidence of them. There is plenty of evidence that Muhammad(saw) lived.
 
The reality is Islam for us Muslim's and the living miracle is the noble Qur'an.! Then don't tell that there was someone called Ram or Laxman when there is no historical recorded evidence of them. There is plenty of evidence that Muhammad(saw) lived.
Is there also proof for Muhammad splitting the moon into 2? Is there proof of the winged horse he rode on? Everything related to any religion is hearsay as tehre were no photographic or video evidence from then.
 
Is there also proof for Muhammad splitting the moon into 2? Is there proof of the winged horse he rode on? Everything related to any religion is hearsay as tehre were no photographic or video evidence from then.
Yes Islam provides the proof for sure of your claims. There is evidence that Muhammad(saw) existed in the first place. You have to prove that Ram, Krishna, Radha and so forth existed through concrete evidence. That a monkey was running around in Sri Lanka giving messages to Ram and the devil had kidnapped Sita in a ring of fire. It is the west that refers to Hinduism as a "mythology" as much as the Muslim's do too.

I want non Hindu sources here to prove your claims that the said people existed. At least you have to accept that there was a man called Muhammad(saw) who is regarded as one of the greatest people ever to have lived even by many non-Muslims. True, he has critics as well however that is because he was a fascinating personality. You need to be someone to receive criticism too. You also have to prove that the ancestors of Pakistanis were Hindu's too. My elders could have been atheists, zoolatry, theriolatry, devil worshipers or even wicans.
 
You can disagree with Islam and the teachings of Muhammad(saw) but you can not question his existence. I am questioning the existence of Hindu half elephant half man figures, talking snakes, Ram, Krishna and so forth. No non Hindu historian has ever proved they lived in the first place. I will also tell you that throughout history there have been many forms of idol worship too. That does not make those believers Hindu's as you people think.
 
You can disagree with Islam and the teachings of Muhammad(saw) but you can not question his existence. I am questioning the existence of Hindu half elephant half man figures, talking snakes, Ram, Krishna and so forth. No non Hindu historian has ever proved they lived in the first place. I will also tell you that throughout history there have been many forms of idol worship too. That does not make those believers Hindu's as you people think.


Muhammad(saw) was a prophet like Jesus Christ. So they were human beings and hence there are proofs of their existence. Similarly hinduism had many prophets/preachers over the years like Lord Chaitanya, Ramakrishna Mahaprabhu, Swami Vivekananda etc etc. and their existence can also be tracked.

Muhammad(saw) never claimed himself to be the God isn't it? He was the messanger of Allah just like how hindu preachers were messangers Prabhu Ram. So prophets were real human being and their existence can be tracked. However, there is no concrete proof of either Allah or Rama and hence it is mythology which is also known as faith.
 
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Btw, why are we discussing religion in a thread of Blasphemy mob attack on a woman?
 
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Yes Islam provides the proof for sure of your claims. There is evidence that Muhammad(saw) existed in the first place. You have to prove that Ram, Krishna, Radha and so forth existed through concrete evidence. That a monkey was running around in Sri Lanka giving messages to Ram and the devil had kidnapped Sita in a ring of fire. It is the west that refers to Hinduism as a "mythology" as much as the Muslim's do too.

I want non Hindu sources here to prove your claims that the said people existed. At least you have to accept that there was a man called Muhammad(saw) who is regarded as one of the greatest people ever to have lived even by many non-Muslims. True, he has critics as well however that is because he was a fascinating personality. You need to be someone to receive criticism too. You also have to prove that the ancestors of Pakistanis were Hindu's too. My elders could have been atheists, zoolatry, theriolatry, devil worshipers or even wicans.
I don't believe in God so I dont need to prove anything. Please can you provide proof of the claims that you say are there in islam.
 
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The Policewoman is getting too much attention and hype from the Western Media , like she did something very courageous by defending an innocent woman from Misogynistic Pakistani Zombie Muslim males lol

Good publicity for the Policewoman, Bad publicity for Pakistan.
what kind of post is this?

She deserves attention. She saved a persons life. She put her own life on the line to protect the women and get her out of there.

Do you even know the context or what just happened?

When an allegation of Blasphemy is placed on someone, crowds ends up killing the person straight away. This means, that even the person who is sheltering the alleged blasphemer, his shop and or house may also be burned down. There have been instances where the police even allowed the mob to do what it likes because the police sometimes side with the mob when it comes to blasphemy.

Ichra bazar is not some simply kwik-e-mart at the corner of your neighborhood. Ichra bazaar runs deep, you cannot take a car inside that easily, and plus with this crowd there they had to park the police cars outside.

To deal with this situation, the women came up with a brilliant plan that only an educated person with sound logic can come up with.

She knew the womens life was at risk and it would be difficult to rush her out of Ichra bazaar, so what she did was, she took made certain people the spokesperson to calm the crowd down. The union head of the bazaar was taken under the wing, and plus a few sane influential molvis around there. The purpose was to talk down and influence the crowd to not do something stupid.
After that this women walked through the crowd inside the shut store, while the mob stood outside the shop ready to kill the women. After the talk down was done, the last part of the mission was to get the women out of the shop, and without stopping for a breath walk till the police car and whisk away the car as fast as possible away from the mob.

Her plan worked.

Than after that, to protect the girls life, she took extra measures from her own side because she knew no one is going to come forward and the womens life was at risk int he long run.

She asked the girl, that if she wants to meet the molvis so that the issue can be cleared and her life can stay protected till the long run. The girl agreed, so the police women called the 3-4 molvis to the station made both party cleared things and even got a video made where the girl apologizes that she did not know what she was wearing and also had to tell everyone her sect that she is a sunni.

Offcourse she was not guilty, but she was made to apologies so that the women can stay protected in the long run, because in this lawless society no one will be able to ensure her protection in the long run.

The police will take action against the mob later on, the first priority was to save the girls life.

After this event, no feminist or female activists came to the street and do a march for this women.

This police women than arranged a march just 2 days ago about women rights and covering this event.

So before coming here and sprouting garbage without knowing what happened, first do bother to understand the whole context of what took place. This police women deserves every award there is to award her. No one puts there own life at risk to protect an alleged blasphemer.

She offcourse deserves attention for what she did and she is an inspiration for the police and every women out there.

I understand you and many alike have issue with why did Asim Munir and Maryam Nawaz congratulated her and now spreading propaganda on social media against her. Those people her heads of army and punjab, offcourse they should invite her and meet her and award her.

Maryam Nawaz, as a female CM, should now do work and take iniatives to protecting the women of Punjab and helping the females in Punjab. As CM she supported the march that the police officer did for females. When good work is being done, people need to take off there political caps and learn to appreciate it
 
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The Policewoman is getting too much attention and hype from the Western Media , like she did something very courageous by defending an innocent woman from Misogynistic Pakistani Zombie Muslim males lol

Good publicity for the Policewoman, Bad publicity for Pakistan.
so the women who saved the other womens life is bringing bad publicity for Pakistan, but the men who were ready to kill that women did not bring bad publicity for Pakistan.

Keep coming up with your gems here plz
 
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