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He is an ODI ATG, right?
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I don't think this is even up for debate. Easily one of the greatest ODI bowlers of all time. Name me another bowler who's been the leading wicket taker in successive editions of the world cup?He is an ODI ATG, right?
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I don't think this is even up for debate. Easily one of the greatest ODI bowlers of all time. Name me another bowler who's been the leading wicket taker in successive editions of the world cup?
The issue of being overrated only arises in the test cricket where his lack of consistency, and bounce (relative to his height) become an issue for him. But he still walks into every other international team's XI.
I don't think this is even up for debate. Easily one of the greatest ODI bowlers of all time. Name me another bowler who's been the leading wicket taker in successive editions of the world cup?
The issue of being overrated only arises in the test cricket where his lack of consistency, and bounce (relative to his height) become an issue for him. But he still walks into every other international team's XI.
Starc actually has the lowest ceiling out of most of the Aussie seamers of his generation. The likes of Pattinson, Cummins and Hazelwood were always considered better than him for the most part.His World Cup performances are ATG. No doubt whatsoever.
But he blows hot and cold overall. He averages 58 and 39 since the WC. Last series where he averaged under 30 was against PAK in 2016-17.
He had one GOAT year in 2015, but apart from that he has one good series followed by a terrible one going back to his debut.
I understand that you could say this about many of whom we consider ODI ATG but Starc had such a great ceiling that he hasn’t lived up to it yet.
Starc actually has the lowest ceiling out of most of the Aussie seamers of his generation. The likes of Pattinson, Cummins and Hazelwood were always considered better than him for the most part.
He averages 22 at a SR of 26, and that too in an era of flat tracks and large totals. A couple of meaningless bilateral series where he hasn’t been at his best won’t change that.
His average is largely the result of his exploits 4-5 years ago and last year's WC. My point is that he has been bang average in between.
Bilaterals are meaningless but they certainly are indicative of form. And Start has been lacking for quite some time now.
However, there is no doubt that he is still top 5 in the world right now. Just not exactly ODI ATG material as of yet.
You can't average 22 in a format if you've been bang average for an extended period of time.
Read the post again.You can't average 22 in a format if you've been bang average for an extended period of time.
he never plays odi series. jamodis, tournaments etc. He only specializes in WC. he has ample rest which helps him remain in peak condition. Something other top players don't have access to as they are required to play IPl and other franchise cricket plus jamodis.
Read the post again.
His current average is largely a result of his fabulous year in 2015 and last years WC.
His average is largely the result of his exploits 4-5 years ago and last year's WC. My point is that he has been bang average in between.
Bilaterals are meaningless but they certainly are indicative of form. And Start has been lacking for quite some time now.
However, there is no doubt that he is still top 5 in the world right now. Just not exactly ODI ATG material as of yet.
I think it will help him to be honest.Hahahah... And 50 up for Starc but in bowling0/53 in 4 overs in his first IPL outing of 2024 against SRH.
Dude he was bought for 24 crore. Are you seriously saying he doesn't take it seriously? Being a professional cricketer he woudl definitely give everything. Just that he is not good enough in all conditions against all batsmen. He is not worth 24 crore. Bumrah is a far better bowler than him. He is not even getting that muh.He’s a gun bowler. He, like many others, doesn’t take franchise cricket that seriously.
Warner selectively takes IPL seriously? lol Starc was mauled even in the world cup that too by Afghanistan batsmen.I don't think any of these aussie players take these t20 joke leagu3s seriously
That’s how it should be ideally, but look at their performances in matches while representing Australia versus in leagues. Look at how Cummins too, how he performs in internationals versus in leagues. You wouldn’t think Cummins or Starc’s standards change, do you? There’s just one explanation- he doesn’t give his everything playing for a league that he does playing for Australia.Dude he was bought for 24 crore. Are you seriously saying he doesn't take it seriously? Being a professional cricketer he woudl definitely give everything. Just that he is not good enough in all conditions against all batsmen. He is not worth 24 crore. Bumrah is a far better bowler than him. He is not even getting that muh.
Representing a league is way harder than representing a country. You have to work with others. There are a lot of guys who are very successful in leagues. Great players don't have issues delivering for any teams. THis is just an excuse that we invent on behalf of players who can't adapt.That’s how it should be ideally, but look at their performances in matches while representing Australia versus in leagues. Look at how Cummins too, how he performs in internationals versus in leagues. You wouldn’t think Cummins or Starc’s standards change, do you? There’s just one explanation- he doesn’t give his everything playing for a league that he does playing for Australia.
As far as his auction price goes, that’s not on him, it’s KKR that think he’s worth that money. Starc would still be playing the same way as he would if he was bought for 2 crore.
I didn’t compare him to Bumrah or anyone else, so I’m not sure the relevance of that part.
Thsi is an acceptable answer. HE is earning money for his past exploits in ODIs. That is why it is crazy for anyone to bid for 24 crore. A complete noob bowler can do a far better job than him. Pathirana as a rookie was way more effective than Starc. Same with Cummins who never exhibited any kind of T20 bowling skill at any level got picked up for 22 million for his Trophy wins in Tests and ODIs. PRetty sure some Australian in the backroom was behind this crazy bidding. Guys like Rachin Ravindra went for steal.In Australia t20 performances aren’t taken that seriously. There’s no respect if you’re a t20 specialist. General public doesn’t really care about the world t20 title either.
T20 is a time to just make a quick buck with cricket lite.
He lives off his performances as one of their best ever in ODIs.
It’s all about marketing when it comes to t20 leagues. You want to put people in seats.Thsi is an acceptable answer. HE is earning money for his past exploits in ODIs. That is why it is crazy for anyone to bid for 24 crore. A complete noob bowler can do a far better job than him. Pathirana as a rookie was way more effective than Starc. Same with Cummins who never exhibited any kind of T20 bowling skill at any level got picked up for 22 million for his Trophy wins in Tests and ODIs. PRetty sure some Australian in the backroom was behind this crazy bidding. Guys like Rachin Ravindra went for steal.
I think you’re being a bit harsh on Starc. He has done exceptionally well overall. Some people do mostly well everywhere but there are times where either their skill or their motivation or even their opposition contributes toward their not performing well. The great Warne and Ponting in India are good examples of that. Not being able to be at your their best in a specific place doesn’t make them average players. Hope you’re getting my point.Representing a league is way harder than representing a country. You have to work with others. There are a lot of guys who are very successful in leagues. Great players don't have issues delivering for any teams. THis is just an excuse that we invent on behalf of players who can't adapt.
I think you’re being a bit harsh on Starc. He has done exceptionally well overall. Some people do mostly well everywhere but there are times where either their skill or their motivation or even their opposition contributes toward their not performing well. The great Warne and Ponting in India are good examples of that. Not being able to be at your their best in a specific place doesn’t make them average players. Hope you’re getting my point.
Mitchell Starc has conceded 100 runs in 8 overs across the first two games of the IPL 2024.Starc 0/47 in 4 overs against RCB, he is too expensive both money and spell wise.
Starc was demolished by Shardul Thakur, Shubman Gill in Tests. He has received fair amount of thrashing at the hands of Kohli. Once sand paper gate was out he was not the same anymore.Starc was not even interested in IPL and he said it himself that his priority is his national team. I don't know how a franchise wanted 24 crores on a guy who is not even interested much in their league.
I think Starc still cannot forget the thrashing that Fakhar gave him in that world cup game. Brutal.
Start body language is last match not good he looks Tired
Australia cricketer Steve Smith also weighed in on the subject and had a huge piece of advice for his teammate while speaking to a sports channel:While speaking on a local Indian sports channel, former Indian cricket team fast bowler Irfan Pathan says:
"Starc is at his best when he is swinging the ball in. When that looping swing starts to the right-hand batter, it can be lethal. And I haven't seen that in the last two games. The head could just be staying on the ball a bit more, or it could just be the pitches, or it could just be getting used to Indian conditions. Once he starts getting that inswing, he will be a bowler to watch out for throughout the IPL."
BOWLING | O | M | R | W | ECON | WD | NB |
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Mitchell Starc | 10 | 0 | 55 | 3 | 5.50 | 3 | 0 |
He is a scatter gun. He was one of the main reason they lost their gabba fortress. Gill, Thakur everyone thrashed him.In the post-match press conference, Mitchell Starc expressed his elation after a remarkable turnaround in form during KKR's victory against DC in IPL 2024:
"Not changing too much. In T20s, you get some dropped chances and some edges, and they don't go your way. But we are 3-0 and that's what it is all about. (Biggest price tag. Struggled with wickets early on) Nothing really like I said before. Games come thick and fast. It is T20 cricket, it can get brutal. You take a bit of luck here and there."
Starc is overhyped now... he talks big but his performance is way under par now.Kolkata Knight Riders registered their fourth win of IPL 2024 season in five outings on Sunday beating Lucknow Super Giants comfortably. Mitchell Starc said while speaking after the match:
"I don't read anything, so that doesn't bother me. It's T20 cricket; for the guys who have played a lot of Test cricket, this is definitely a lot easier physically," he said. "It's more [about] getting used to the tactical side of it. I haven't played a lot of T20 cricket in the last couple of years, so it has probably taken me a little bit longer than I would have liked to get back into the rhythm of things and make a better impact. So today was nice in that regard."
"'m 34, so I'm pretty good with my workloads. I've been doing this [for] a long time. We play again on Tuesday, and I think that's a feature of T20 cricket. Whether you have a good day or a bad day, games come around so quickly that you can't really think about what's been; you quickly focus on the next game."
Thats an average of 37 in a low scoring finals.Starc in the World Test Championship Final:
4 scalps for 148, which included Kohli and Rahane
Thats an average of 37 in a low scoring finals.
India has actually always played Starc well when compared to other nations especially England. The Gabbas victory was possible only because of smacking Starc to all corners.
The amount of times Starc has made mincemeat of England/Pakistan is astounding.
He is part of an elite team which outstanding fielding unit and outstanding main bowlers. Cummins also plays the IPL. Look how he delivers. Cummins is a way smarter bowler than spray gun Starc. He was mostly thrashed by INdia His worst ODI bowling record is against India. Going at 6 an over at an average of 32.66. His worst test record against India. Averaging 38.I don’t deny he has done well against those teams, he’s a terrific player, am not in denial of that fact unlike the tiny folk who are still bitter that he took key wickets in that match and bent you in the ODI World Cup to.
He is part of an elite team which outstanding fielding unit and outstanding main bowlers. Cummins also plays the IPL. Look how he delivers. Cummins is a way smarter bowler than spray gun Starc. He was mostly thrashed by INdia His worst ODI bowling record is against India. Going at 6 an over at an average of 32.66. His worst test record against India. Averaging 38.
Stats means nothing if you can't perform it matters the most. Starc performed when his team needed him the most. Leave out useless bilateral recordsHe is part of an elite team which outstanding fielding unit and outstanding main bowlers. Cummins also plays the IPL. Look how he delivers. Cummins is a way smarter bowler than spray gun Starc. He was mostly thrashed by INdia His worst ODI bowling record is against India. Going at 6 an over at an average of 32.66. His worst test record against India. Averaging 38.
2023*Starc performed when it mattered the most. The semi final and final of ODI world 2024
Champion player. He is on paid holiday these days
hahah,...that is a good one. I guess so. He is getting paid a hefty amount for these holidays. Should enjoy his trip in IPL and then go back and do his usual stuff.Champion player. He is on paid holiday these days
Foolish of IPL to pay him so much. A good retirement package for his familyhahah,...that is a good one. I guess so. He is getting paid a hefty amount for these holidays. Should enjoy his trip in IPL and then go back and do his usual stuff.
He got wickets of full tosses. Lol We cannot use result to conclude how his form is. Also MII was almot out when he came on to bowl. First two overs he conceded 26 runs.Finally some good performance by Mitchell Starc today against MI. He claimed 4 wickets by conceding only 33 runs so is it the WC around the corner effect?
KKR owners must be happy today.