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[PICTURES] Why modern boxers like Tyson Fury,Andy Ruiz Usyk are too inferior to the heavyweight boxers of 1970s like Muhammad Ali, George Foreman etc?

Good for Usyk, he’s a HOF’er, and I believe these two fighters were worthy of contesting the phantom ‘Undisputed’ fight. I felt Fury won that 115-112, but he deserves the defeat because I wasn’t a fan of the showboating and he came in to the fight in poor shape with a crap attitude, he is no longer in his peak form but he should have had a better camp. First half was a complete mismatch with Fury dominating, Usyk caught Fury flush I think in round 7 or 8, may have broken his nose taking away his legs and had a big round 9 which was pivotal in the judges scoring, anywhere else maybe Usyk would not have got the nod, but Ukrainian war sympathy is a real thing. Having said that, he’s as tough as old boots and took some shots that would have taken out bigger men.
 
Some concerning backstage footage being circulated of Usyk being carried to the dressing room, he wont be available for the post fight presser either and is on the way to the hospital. I hope he’s ok. Boxing is the most brutal combat sport in the world, Boxer’s are just made different.
 
Congrats to Usyk… Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the world.
 
@shaz619 - I had fight 4-4 after 8 rounds. Usyk won early rounds, then fury took over. Fury started to slow, flick out a few jabs in early round wasn't winning rounds.

After that 8 rounds it was 3-1 usyk in final 4, plus knockdown for me

Usyk always goes through his gears after 6 rounds. He did it vs bredis, bellew, AJ and now fury
 
Oleksandr Usyk digs deep in thriller to down Tyson Fury and unite titles

Oleksandr Usyk is the first undisputed world heavyweight champion this century after he defeated Tyson Fury, in a compelling fight, on a split decision in the early hours of Sunday morning. Usyk added Fury’s WBC title to the IBF, WBA and WBO belts he already owned when he was deservedly given the verdict 115-112 by the first judge and 114-113 by the third official. The middle scorecard was called 114-113 in favour of Fury – but he had been almost knocked out in the ninth round when he staggered across the ring drunkenly. He was given a standing count of eight and saved by the bell.

An absorbing and highly technical, if brutal, contest had shifted in momentum when Usyk had a dominant round in the eighth. A right hook and left cross nailed Fury. And then, suddenly surging with new conviction, Usyk landed a shuddering left which rocked Fury. Blood began to pour from Fury’s nose and he was marked up around the left eye.

Usyk poured on the pressure in the ninth and landed an incredible barrage of 14 unanswered blows. Fury reeled under the assault, swaying and stumbling helplessly, his eyes glazed. The referee could have stopped the fight but, with Fury being held up by the sagging ropes, he gave the stricken fighter time to try to stand upright before he began counting to eight. It seemed an exceedingly long count.

Fury, as always, showed great resilience in the next two rounds and he was competitive – but both the 10th and 11th were won by Usyk, who landed the harder blows. Before the last round Fury stretched his arm out to touch gloves with Usyk as he nodded in admiration.

A sharp combination from Usyk scored early but two straight right hands from Fury proved that he was still trying to win the fight. But Usyk unleashed a thrilling string of punches in a fitting conclusion to a gripping and often magnificent contest.

At the outset of the drama, waiting in their opposing corners both fighters looked to the heavens and crossed themselves just before the opening bell. It was as if they knew they were about to enter dark terrain and be pushed to the limit.

The height difference was obvious, with Fury being six inches taller, but Usyk was immediately effective as he jabbed to the body, again and again. Fury shook his head and wagged his tongue in apparent jest. But then Usyk nailed him with a jolting overhand left near the end of the round. Fury looked out at the crowd and pulled a face as he again played the joker.

Usyk began round two impressively with a slick combination. Fury found his rhythm and a right uppercut caught Usyk. The crowd roared as Fury then sank two hefty right hands to the body before settling back behind the jab. But Usyk remained the aggressor, setting a fast pace.

Usyk moved in and out, showing his slick skills, clipping Fury with glancing blows. But the hardest punch of the third round came from Fury as he hurt Usyk to the body. The Ukrainian backed Fury briefly into a neutral corner and cuffed him with a couple of sharp shots in the fourth. Fury responded and, with his herky-jerky movement, he boxed beautifully. There was a brief clash of heads but Fury kept working the body with powerful and draining blows in the fifth. These were hard punches that threatened to dismantle Usyk.

In the sixth a series of crunching right uppercuts shook Usyk to his core. Fury was in the groove, tagging the Ukrainian again and again, and at the bell he waggled his tongue at the crowd to suggest that he was now in control. He was wrong. Fury used the right uppercut to the body with punishing, repetitive force in the seventh but Usyk, resolute as ever, ended the round clipping the bigger man with crisp combinations. His brilliance was about to flourish – but great credit should also be paid to Fury, who lost for the first time in his 36th fight.

SOURCE: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/a...ted-world-heavyweight-boxing-crown-tyson-fury
 
Good to see the fake loud mouth Fury & his dad sent packing..

Refs have saved Fury on many occasions & tried again last night but the ‘cruiserweight’ Usyk put him in his place !
 
Savak said:
Furys indisciplined lifestyle and fluctuations in weight were eventually going to cost him in championship rounds against a world class opponent
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Whilst HW has no weight restrictions and figthers technically don't need to make weight. The so called best shape Fury did lack conditioning for last few rounds of fight. Fury is use to leaning on fighters, mauling them and tiring them out, that doesn't work with usyk. Yeah he slowed usyk down with body shots and hurt him, but usyk superior fitness and also making Fury fight for 3 mins each round with no rest bite was difference.

Usyk did Same to Joshua as well. Also people forget when Fury fought klichscho, usyk was a sparing partner for klichscho and was asked to leave sparring after making klichscho look stupid. So usyk has for a long been able to toy around with guys bigger then him.
 
guess the dreaded "S" words gonna be popping up now, fury might be 35 but the three years in the middle where he was off the rails would have aged him moreso.

For me it was pretty much a draw, so i dont think usyk winning by one point is much of surprise, he deserved it for weathering the body barrage in rounds 3, 4, 5, and 6, man has insane conditioning and technical skill.

as a fury fan its sad to see as i thought hed be able to long his career out for a few more years. the only option for fury is to bring back the fury from the second wilder fight and aim for a KO in the first half of the fight.

usyk will go down in the pantheon of greats, technical master, insane athlete. if he wins the rematch he should pbly retire, cos taking this punishment from guys so much bigger than you is not worth it if you have nothing else to prove.
 
Amjid Javed said:
@shaz619 - I had fight 4-4 after 8 rounds. Usyk won early rounds, then fury took over. Fury started to slow, flick out a few jabs in early round wasn't winning rounds.

After that 8 rounds it was 3-1 usyk in final 4, plus knockdown for me

Usyk always goes through his gears after 6 rounds. He did it vs bredis, bellew, AJ and now fury
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There were a number of swing rounds early in the fight, I didn’t give those to Usyk because to me, he had to win those conclusively, but he got the rub of the green in those. This wasn’t like in the AJ/Bellew/Bredis fights, he was genuinely struggling with Fury’s size and movement, he was trying not to show it but he was severely hurt to the body and also broke his jaw, I give it to him that he’s so tough, he was biting on his gum shield going to his corner and he had the stuffing being beaten out of him, Fury was about 15-20 lb heavier then AJ, and the difference was similar to Holyfield - Douglas one, Holyfield stopped Douglas who was about 40 lb heavier to but that difference was there mainly because Douglas was in horrible shale. The straight left down the middle when Fury held his feet changed fight because Usyk then had that huge Round 9, Fury had to take Rd 10 off but recovered in 11-12 imo. In the entire fight Usyk had 1-2 huge rounds, the round with the knockdown, just say that’s another round making it 3 round for him; you give him all the swing rounds to which I disagree with and he won 6 at best. On the scorecard that was 115-112 in his favour, if you give the swing rounds to Fury he wins, if you score them even which they never do it’s a draw. This was completely different to all the other title fights Usyk ever had but he showed how clutch he is to find that left in Rd 8 to bring him back into the fight or it would have a wide points win for Fury. I do think Fury is past it with his diet/conditioning and general approach to his training camps which is all catching up, but he still fought a great fight and put Usyk under the most pressure I’ve ever seen him under, but Usyk proved he is one of the top HW’s in this era to regardless of my opinion on how it went down.
 
For me usyk won by atleast 3 rounds. Better boxing IQ, Excellent footwork, constantly on the front foot.
 
ElRaja said:
guess the dreaded "S" words gonna be popping up now, fury might be 35 but the three years in the middle where he was off the rails would have aged him moreso.

For me it was pretty much a draw, so i dont think usyk winning by one point is much of surprise, he deserved it for weathering the body barrage in rounds 3, 4, 5, and 6, man has insane conditioning and technical skill.

as a fury fan its sad to see as i thought hed be able to long his career out for a few more years. the only option for fury is to bring back the fury from the second wilder fight and aim for a KO in the first half of the fight.

usyk will go down in the pantheon of greats, technical master, insane athlete. if he wins the rematch he should pbly retire, cos taking this punishment from guys so much bigger than you is not worth it if you have nothing else to prove.
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He got a lot of people blowing way too much smoke up his behind in the camp, I like his dad and the support he shows his son but he’s a colossal idiot, you could only hear him in the corner not the others. I agree with you they need a similar camp to Wilder 2 / approach at best but that’s way too risky against Usyk, I always felt the Fury who trained with Peter Fury was the best because he kept him a lot more disciplined in and out the ring, Fury didn’t like that so left because he wanted to have fun during camp, and I get that but you suffer in dire straits. Usyk will be a much better fighter in the rematch to, this was this version of Fury’s best shot imo He wont apply himself in camp because he still probably doesn’t respect Usyk as much as Wilder or Klitchko he has become a victim of his own talents/success while Usyk even at 37 treats each camp like a life or death situation, for the same reason I’d fancy AJ over Fury to at this point due to his dedication and Ben has worked miracles with his fragile mind
 
BouncerGuy said:
How did he survive that combination of punches? TBH tyson looks fat and old.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1791973279273517214
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That’s the same punch which stopped Bellew the looping left hook outside the eye line. Usyk’s ring generalship was tested like never before, his feints were being picked up throughout the fight and countered, he couldn’t read Fury’s rhythm and the body work knocked the stuffing out of him, he looked like he could get stopped, he just couldn’t set his punches up effectively. BUT, this was his bravest performance, because he kept coming forward and showed insane endurance, the pressure wasn’t necessarily cutting Fury off always or effective, but it was mental pressure that he was still there despite being the smaller guy. It’s just this Fury’s high risk style to fight off the ropes with his jab but when he was in complete control in Rd 7 and he fought there for a breather at times, he switched off and got his nose busted, and that disturbed his engine and lead to that Round.
 
Fury was in control , became arrogant , dropped his hands allowing himself to get caught . Uysk showed heart & wanted it more .
 
KingKhanWC said:
Fury was in control , became arrogant , dropped his hands allowing himself to get caught . Uysk showed heart & wanted it more .
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That made me upset. It's the undisputed fight between two unbeaten fighters, only the third time it has ever happened (the previous times being Ali/Frazier 1 and Tyson/Spinks). You have to take it seriously at least. I don't mind some showboating, but he went too far. I’m also not happy with his corner; there was no urgency, and his dad needs to step aside. There are too many yes-men in his camp. I also think he was in better shape before the initial weight cut, and then cutting again took a toll on him. He was in poor condition, and I suspect there might be other issues behind the scenes.
 
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shaz619 said:
That made me upset. It's the undisputed fight between two unbeaten fighters, only the third time it has ever happened (the previous times being Ali/Frazier 1 and Tyson/Spinks). You have to take it seriously at least. I don't mind some showboating, but he went too far. I’m also not happy with his corner; there was no urgency, and his dad needs to step aside. There are too many yes-men in his camp. I also think he was in better shape before the initial weight cut, and then cutting again took a toll on him. He was in poor condition, and I suspect there might be other issues behind the scenes.
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Fury didn’t know what to expect but after rounds 4/5 with some slick boxing felt in total control . The look on his face suggested he thinks this is a walk in the park as Uysk couldn’t get near him . Showboating in HW is always a gamble , hence its rarely ever seen at this division. Ali was the master but his defence , making them miss was on another level , even then he defended with his gloves firmly up when needed .

If Uysk never scored the knockdown or hurt Fury in that round , he would have won & people would call it comfortable , he’s one of the best ever etc . Fury has himself to blame & his camp too . But …. Uysk came to fight , win at all costs or knocked out himself . I don’t agree with his politics but a man who sees war & death every day , won’t he hesistant having a tear up with any HW . At his age too , that’s one tough geezer
 
Usyk for me had control in the first three rounds, then Fury controlled 4, 5, 6, then from 8 onwards usyk upped the Anti which shocked Fury, who really never recovered.
 
As for the showboating this is only been highlighted because he lost. In his previous fights, Fury did the same, yet he won. Wasnt a issue then
 
shaz619 said:
He got a lot of people blowing way too much smoke up his behind in the camp, I like his dad and the support he shows his son but he’s a colossal idiot, you could only hear him in the corner not the others. I agree with you they need a similar camp to Wilder 2 / approach at best but that’s way too risky against Usyk, I always felt the Fury who trained with Peter Fury was the best because he kept him a lot more disciplined in and out the ring, Fury didn’t like that so left because he wanted to have fun during camp, and I get that but you suffer in dire straits. Usyk will be a much better fighter in the rematch to, this was this version of Fury’s best shot imo He wont apply himself in camp because he still probably doesn’t respect Usyk as much as Wilder or Klitchko he has become a victim of his own talents/success while Usyk even at 37 treats each camp like a life or death situation, for the same reason I’d fancy AJ over Fury to at this point due to his dedication and Ben has worked miracles with his fragile mind
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fury doesnt have it in him to go 12 without being clipped, hes been down so many times in his career that i dont see what he can gain from not gambling, also in hindsight whilst i thought it was a draw, i have to caveat that by saying the ref really came to furys aid to give him a standing count when usyk could really have dealt damage.

also fury of a few years ago would cop that punch and go down immediately, take the 8, regroup and go again, instead he tried his best to not go down and kept copping blows, which in the long run didnt help him. whilst the boxing skill, stamina, power etc is one thing, that's the first time ive seen fury make a strategic mistake in a fight.

having made a bet a few years ago with a mate that fury flattens joshua, i think its time i remind him how betting is haram, lol. i still think fury is the better fighter, but if he keeps declining at this rate, by the time the josh fights comes around he'll be the underdog.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Whilst HW has no weight restrictions and figthers technically don't need to make weight. The so called best shape Fury did lack conditioning for last few rounds of fight. Fury is use to leaning on fighters, mauling them and tiring them out, that doesn't work with usyk. Yeah he slowed usyk down with body shots and hurt him, but usyk superior fitness and also making Fury fight for 3 mins each round with no rest bite was difference.

Usyk did Same to Joshua as well. Also people forget when Fury fought klichscho, usyk was a sparing partner for klichscho and was asked to leave sparring after making klichscho look stupid. So usyk has for a long been able to toy around with guys bigger then him.
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Fury's had a great career, and he is actually a pretty decent boxer. But I just feel he doesn't win a lot of those fights if he isn't 20% bigger than most of his opponents. It's like putting a middleweight up against a welterweight and expecting an even contest. Not his problem though, he's built a great career off it.
 
ElRaja said:
fury doesnt have it in him to go 12 without being clipped, hes been down so many times in his career that i dont see what he can gain from not gambling, also in hindsight whilst i thought it was a draw, i have to caveat that by saying the ref really came to furys aid to give him a standing count when usyk could really have dealt damage.

also fury of a few years ago would cop that punch and go down immediately, take the 8, regroup and go again, instead he tried his best to not go down and kept copping blows, which in the long run didnt help him. whilst the boxing skill, stamina, power etc is one thing, that's the first time ive seen fury make a strategic mistake in a fight.

having made a bet a few years ago with a mate that fury flattens joshua, i think its time i remind him how betting is haram, lol. i still think fury is the better fighter, but if he keeps declining at this rate, by the time the josh fights comes around he'll be the underdog.
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Especially now I get what you mean, with Peter he rarely got caught clean, you can probably make a lot of money putting a wager on him being given the count. He has insane powers of recovery but has a tendency for switching off when he is dominating, and it’s worse if he doesn’t respect the opposition; and on that point, that was rare and the main reason he did not take a knee, it was pride, he would have if it were anybody else but not Usyk. And tbh with you he was going down but the ropes held him and the ref gave him a count, he would have made it to the bell regardless imo due to the time left in the round. Things turning out nicely for Josh, in a good position to have a solid chance against Fury/Wilder past their peak form and then his fans can enjoy his ‘superior’ resume even more, I think he has a better chance against Usyk now to, I really think this fight with Fury has taken a lot out of him.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Fury's had a great career, and he is actually a pretty decent boxer. But I just feel he doesn't win a lot of those fights if he isn't 20% bigger than most of his opponents. It's like putting a middleweight up against a welterweight and expecting an even contest. Not his problem though, he's built a great career off it.
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Fury career has been good, still a rematch to be had. If he makes adjustments he could win rematch. No shame in losing an undisputed fight on SD. Fury will need to improve his stamina to box 12 rounds as his legs went in those final 4 rounds, also taking punishment like he did vs wilder, ngannu and now usyk takes it toll.

I won't be shocked if both fighters retire in next 12 months
 
Amjid Javed said:
Fury career has been good, still a rematch to be had. If he makes adjustments he could win rematch. No shame in losing an undisputed fight on SD. Fury will need to improve his stamina to box 12 rounds as his legs went in those final 4 rounds, also taking punishment like he did vs wilder, ngannu and now usyk takes it toll.

I won't be shocked if both fighters retire in next 12 months
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When them two retire. AJ to stick around and become Undisputed after beating Hrgovic and Kabayel @ElRaja

If I focus on the positives, Fury looked done and serious ? had to raised following Ngannu, so in this fight a big positive is that he competed when a lot of people thought he could lose or be stopped. This is the first time he has lost since David Price beat him in the amateurs so how will he deal with that? he is strong mentally and they think they won the fight, but how well he does in the rematch will depend on if Usyk has earned his respect. The other thing was he has been in a long long camp and after that cut, I think be stopped training to so that didn’t help his conditioning either.

Am not sure the rematch happens in October either but it needs to for Fury to have success because then, after a month or two he’d be back in training. But if he doesn’t respect Usyk then his effort wont be there, he been around a while and Fury’s desire is questionable.

Keys in the rematch:

- Better conditioning
- Respect Usyk
- Tell his old man to take a break
- Bring Peter Fury back as a consultant so he can get him back in line, his Uncle wont let him F about
- His team need a word with themselves, no urgency in the corner. and have been pandering to Fury’s needs, come across as a bunch of Yes-Men
- Consider firing Sugar Hill there’s some emotional attachment there, but I don’t think Andy Lee would do terribly in a more lead role

However, this could be it, he could retire like Marvin Havler did after not getting the nod against Leonard.
 
@shaz619 - I don't think Usyk will go on much longer either to be honest. He's got a contract obligation for the rematch with Fury. But beyond that I don't see what's left for him to achieve.

A 3rd fight with Joshua is pointless, there aren't really any other big fights in the division. Usyk isn't money motivated the guy was happy take 30-70 splits vs Joshua or fury, just because it was about the belts.

He's also been away training for 8 months away from his kids and new born. Plus the age he's at I don't think he's going to box into his 40s and ruin his legacy. Also just fighting mandatorily when uve become undisputed would be pointless.

The only fight outside which may appeal to usyk is maybe opatia, maybe going down to Cruiserweight again or him coming up.

I think win or lose the rematch vs Fury, I think that will be his last fight
 
I dont think fury will retire. He's driven by money, and the Saudi purse is a blessing in disguise for him to keep going.
 
shaz619 said:
Especially now I get what you mean, with Peter he rarely got caught clean, you can probably make a lot of money putting a wager on him being given the count. He has insane powers of recovery but has a tendency for switching off when he is dominating, and it’s worse if he doesn’t respect the opposition; and on that point, that was rare and the main reason he did not take a knee, it was pride, he would have if it were anybody else but not Usyk. And tbh with you he was going down but the ropes held him and the ref gave him a count, he would have made it to the bell regardless imo due to the time left in the round. Things turning out nicely for Josh, in a good position to have a solid chance against Fury/Wilder past their peak form and then his fans can enjoy his ‘superior’ resume even more, I think he has a better chance against Usyk now to, I really think this fight with Fury has taken a lot out of him.
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even if he had made the bell he was completely open for an absolute monster looping left, i say this as a fury fan, he left the gate open and usyk came rampaging through and the ref is the only reason he didnt end up copping serious damage in his head. usyk is a master martial artist in the fullest sense of the word and a lesser fighter would have taken the chance.

josh gonna clean up in a completely empty division post fury, usyk. usyk should not stick around for any other than a potential third fury fight if he loses the next one.

also highlights how bare the division is beyond these guys, cant think of anyone exciting. heard Americans mention jared Anderson but never seen him fight.
 
ElRaja said:
even if he had made the bell he was completely open for an absolute monster looping left, i say this as a fury fan, he left the gate open and usyk came rampaging through and the ref is the only reason he didnt end up copping serious damage in his head. usyk is a master martial artist in the fullest sense of the word and a lesser fighter would have taken the chance.

josh gonna clean up in a completely empty division post fury, usyk. usyk should not stick around for any other than a potential third fury fight if he loses the next one.

also highlights how bare the division is beyond these guys, cant think of anyone exciting. heard Americans mention jared Anderson but never seen him fight.
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That was certainly quiet possible but I was trying to the ref didn’t do him any favours, he was merely doing his job. Fury literally fell and was held just by the ropes, therefore the ref was obliged to give him a count, he didn’t stop him from finishing Fury off, if Usyk landed on Fury while he was sitting on the two middle ropes it would have been a foul.

Can totally see that happening and Josh has the kind of style which will age well against the quality of opposition available. I will do some digging into the HW resources available but the barrel could be a bit dry and while not fair, the division may need these big names to hang around a bit longer
 
Amjid Javed said:
Whilst HW has no weight restrictions and figthers technically don't need to make weight. The so called best shape Fury did lack conditioning for last few rounds of fight. Fury is use to leaning on fighters, mauling them and tiring them out, that doesn't work with usyk. Yeah he slowed usyk down with body shots and hurt him, but usyk superior fitness and also making Fury fight for 3 mins each round with no rest bite was difference.

Usyk did Same to Joshua as well. Also people forget when Fury fought klichscho, usyk was a sparing partner for klichscho and was asked to leave sparring after making klichscho look stupid. So usyk has for a long been able to toy around with guys bigger then him.
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I was just thinking about your comment on Klitchko asking Usyk to leave when he was giving him a boxing lesson.

I have never ever heard Wladmir give Fury even a little praise before or after their fight, for many years he has been so sour about the defeat. But in an interview with the BBC right after the Fury/Usyk fight, he said a few positive words about Fury which shocked me because he has been full of hate, he praised his heart; it reinforces the rumour that he struggled with Usyk during sparring and he recognised the performance Fury put in against him in comparison. Perhaps over the years the Klit has mellowed out seeing the success Fury had, at that point when they fought a lot of people saw Fury as a joke and expected him to get flattened in that fight, including you ;) I feel old.
 
Usyk is expected to be stripped by the IBF within the next 2 weeks.

Hrgovic and Dubois will fight for the IBF title, with AJ getting the winner.

It’s a shambles, first Undisputed fight in 25 years and we can’t let Usyk make even a defence.

Maybe he should vacate everything and defend the Undisputed custom title Saudis gave him with the ring belt, in any case he is the lineal champion
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I dont think fury will retire. He's driven by money, and the Saudi purse is a blessing in disguise for him to keep going.
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Fury will fight AJ in Saudi. Maybe even join WWE after. Indeed all cares about is money
 
shaz619 said:
Usyk is expected to be stripped by the IBF within the next 2 weeks.

Hrgovic and Dubois will fight for the IBF title, with AJ getting the winner.

It’s a shambles, first Undisputed fight in 25 years and we can’t let Usyk make even a defence.

Maybe he should vacate everything and defend the Undisputed custom title Saudis gave him with the ring belt, in any case he is the lineal champion
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IBF is the worst and weakest belt of the lot.

But to be fair atleast the force mandatories.

Look at WBC with a new belt every fight, super champions and all sorts of other nonsense. We saw fighters like fury, wilder, Adonis Stevenson, canelo just do as they wanted in regard to missing mandatories.

Also remember that the Fury vs usyk Fight was cancelled twice and was dragged put 12 months and in that time IBF mandatory wasn't fought.

Also I doubt usyk cares if he loses one belt, he's won them all and they will eventually fragment once he retires.

Dubois vs hrgovic is a good scrap for the IBF
 
Amjid Javed said:
IBF is the worst and weakest belt of the lot.

But to be fair atleast the force mandatories.

Look at WBC with a new belt every fight, super champions and all sorts of other nonsense. We saw fighters like fury, wilder, Adonis Stevenson, canelo just do as they wanted in regard to missing mandatories.

Also remember that the Fury vs usyk Fight was cancelled twice and was dragged put 12 months and in that time IBF mandatory wasn't fought.

Also I doubt usyk cares if he loses one belt, he's won them all and they will eventually fragment once he retires.

Dubois vs hrgovic is a good scrap for the IBF
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Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind the IBF, they do better at enforcing their 10 lb rehydration rule as well and prioritise the fighters. And yes the fight did get delayed etc but they are going to strip him within 2 weeks which is a bit harsh really, if they waited maybe 4-6 weeks to see whether Fury/Usyk could reach a preliminary agreement for an October bout wouldn’t hurt. 4-6 months wont damage Dubois or Hrgovic if terms are agreed and 4-6 weeks wont especially before they decide to strip Usyk
 
Its disgraceful to see how boxing fans turn on undefeated fighters when they lose, AJ, Wilder and Fury have all gone through it where all their past achievements, boxing records are questioned, dissected after a loss. This is why fighters desperately do whatever they can to protect their zeros and this is why Floyd was bad for boxing where everyone feels everything is lost after a defeat.
 
Oleksandr Usyk set to star alongside The Rock in blockbuster Hollywood debut after beating Tyson Fury

Oleksandr Usyk will star alongside Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson in the upcoming Hollywood blockbuster 'The Smashing Machine'.

The 2025 release, directed by Benny Safdie, tells the story of former two-time UFC heavyweight champion Mark Kerr, who battled a serious addiction and marital issues while achieving remarkable success in MMA.

The film's name comes from Kerr's nickname ‘The Smashing Machine’ which he earned due to his ferocious fighting style.

Johnson takes center stage as the main protagonist, Kerr, while Usyk - fresh off a historic win over Tyson Fury on Saturday for the undisputed heavyweight crown - is set to play Ukrainian MMA legend Igor Vovchanchyn.

This isn't Usyk's acting debut having previously voiced Sholom in the animated film 'The Stolen Princess' and also played a minor role as a professional boxer in the Ukrainian boxing flick 'The Fight Rules'.

But this will undoubtedly be his biggest part with Emily Blunt co-starring and A24 backing the project.

Vovchanchyn is one of the pioneers of MMA and competed in the sport 67 times (56-10-1NC) over the course of a career stretching back to 1995.

The sole no-contest on his record came against Kerr when they met for the first time in September 1999 at Pride 7.

Vovchanchyn was originally declared the winner by TKO (knees).

However, the result was later overturned to a no contest when the knees were deemed illegal.

He rematched Kerr a year later at Pride 12 in a fight he would go on to win via unanimous decision.

Usyk isn't the only professional fighter starring in the biographical drama.

Former two-weight Bellator champion, Ryan Bader, will play inaugural UFC heavyweight champion Mark Coleman, who was close friends with Kerr.

Announcing his inclusion in the cast, Bader wrote on Instagram: “Putting the MMA game on pause for a bit as I head to Vancouver for about three months.

“Excited to be a part of an amazing project by Benny Safdie, The Smashing Machine.

"Giving ode to a couple legends of the sport, Mark Kerr, Mark Coleman. The highs and the lows that come with this crazy ass sport.”

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Oleksandr Usyk set to star alongside The Rock in blockbuster Hollywood debut

Oleksandr Usyk will star alongside Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson in the upcoming Hollywood blockbuster ‘The Smashing Machine’. The 2025 release, directed by Benny Safdie, tells …
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Wow Tyson got his rematch with "ugly rabbit' LOL
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Undisputed heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury are set to meet in a rematch on 21 December, according to the chairman of Saudi Arabia's general entertainment authority

Usyk beat Fury by split decision to become the first undisputed champion of the four-belt era on 18 May.

A rematch was said to be in the works for October but Turki Alalshikh says the date has been pushed back to December.

"The world will watch another historical fight again," Alashikh added on X.

"Our commitment to boxing fans continues. We hope you enjoy it."

Usyk, the first undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis in 1999, added Fury's WBC belt to his WBA, WBO and IBF collection when they fought in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia earlier this month.

The 37-year-old Ukrainian has won all 22 of his professional fights.

Alashikh did not name a venue or destination for the rematch but stated it would take place "during Riyadh Season".

Riyadh Season is an entertainment festival held every winter since its launch in 2019 which has hosted a number of high profile boxing events.

The contest would give Briton Fury, 35, the opportunity to gain revenge after tasting defeat for the first time in his 16-year professional career against Usyk.

It is unlikely that all four belts will be on the line in the rematch with the IBF planning to strip Usyk as he will not be facing its mandatory challenger next.

However Usyk has requested an "exception" to keep hold of the belt for the rematch.

Source: BBC
 
Today marks the 8th death anniversary of one of the greatest boxer of all times, The Great Mohammad Ali.
 

What a fight it was, 50 years since the iconic fight​

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Rumble in the Jungle: The fight that defined a decade, 50 years on​

In many ways, Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman in the Rumble in the Jungle didn’t start on this day 50 years ago at 4:30 a.m. local time (10:30 p.m. ET).

Nor did it start seven weeks prior when the fighters arrived in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo), where the bout would take place, or when promoter Don King struck a multi-million dollar deal with the country’s president, Mobutu Sese Seko, to hold Africa’s first ever heavyweight title fight.

In actual fact, the narrative that would come to define the fight began 10 years prior.

“You can’t just look at the Rumble in the Jungle as a fistfight, and ignore everything that went with it,” remembered Thomas Hauser, Ali’s biographer and friend, in an interview with CNN Sport.

“1974 in Zaire was really the symbolic validation of what the 1960s stood for.”

Muhammad Ali’s WBC ‘Rumble in the Jungle’ belt bought for $6.18 million by Indianapolis Colts owner

Ten years before Ali shocked the world by knocking out Foreman to claim the heavyweight championship of the world, he had done the exact same – albeit it under the name Cassius Clay – to Sonny Liston, three months after John F. Kennedy had been assassinated and three weeks after The Beatles first stepped off the plane in New York.

“Those three months are really when the 60s, as we think of them, began,” said Hauser, who was himself inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2020.

The following month, just as Cassius Clay was becoming a household name, he changed it to Muhammad Ali, in line with his membership of the Nation of Islam. Three years later, Ali refused to be drafted into the US Armed Forces.

“Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam, while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?” he asked at the time.

Ali was arrested and stripped of his heavyweight title, his passport and his right to box. It would be another three years before he was permitted a license to fight, and another seven before the Rumble in Jungle offered him a chance to reclaim his title.

Source: CNN
 

British heavyweight urges Tyson Fury to 'squash' Oleksandr Usyk in rematch​

The second meeting is fast approaching

The build-up is underway for one of the biggest fights of the year.

On December 21, live on DAZN PPV, Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury will do battle once more in Riyadh, seven months after their first encounter.

Usyk was victorious in the first fight with a split decision win, and it has since been revealed that there was a lot going on behind-the-scenes in Fury's camp which could have played a part in the loss.

From not being able to spar due to a deep cut to his wife suffering a miscarriage in the days leading up to the first fight, this was not the ideal preparation for an undisputed heavyweight title fight.

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Heading into the rematch, fighters are giving their explanations when it comes to where the contest will be won and lost, and one of those is former cruiserweight champion Lawrence Okolie.

He will be watching this fight very closely after recently announcing his move up to heavyweight, and spoke about how Fury can use his pressure to trouble Usyk.

"He needs to be more consistent and be the one who dominates," Okolie told Betway.

"It’s difficult because Usyk is such a good pressure fighter. He may not be rolling his head, but he has the footwork, faints, and throws clever shots around the side.

"Fury needs a more front-foot approach and meet Usyk (in the middle of the ring). If Usyk is walking forward, then he needs to walk forward too because he is the bigger man. Fury needs to have a similar style to when he beat Deontay Wilder in the rematch.

"They’re different fighters, but he needs to have the mentality of ‘f—k you’ and try to squash him."

Source: DAZN
 
Pro-boxing is just a less blatant version of WWE and the cat is not out of the bag about real-fake.

Olympic boxing is the real sport. Ironically it is called “amateur boxing” just like Olympic wrestling is called “amateur”.
Bizarro world for sure.
 
Is Tyson Too Heavy For His Own Good?

Tyson Fury looks big around the waistline, 15 days away from his rematch against Oleksandr Usyk on December 21st live on DAZN. In a photo today of Fury (34-1-1, 24 KOs), he doesn’t appear to be in great physical shape to deal with the skills of the highly technical WBA, WBC, and WBO heavyweight champion Usyk (22-0, 14 KOs).

FURY’S PHYSICAL CONDITION Judging by the photo, Fury appears to be in the 270s, which is what he weighed in fight #2 and #3 against Deontay Wilder. However, the ‘Gypsy King’ looked in much better shape in those two contests than he is now. Choosing to come in heavy for the rematch with Usyk is a bad idea, but it’s not surprising that Fury has decided to take this route. He’s trying to recapture his best success but isn’t considering that he’s facing a better fighter than the guys he beat in the past. It is NOT good for Fury to look this way because he needs to be lighter against the athletic and trim Usyk. One can only imagine who gave Fury the idea of bulking up for the rematch. If it’s his trainer, Sugarhill Steward, at least he’ll know who to blame afterward if he loses. Fury can use Sugarhill as the scapegoat to deal with the backlash.

His physical form now suggests that he’s been power-feeding, eating to put on size, but not doing enough training to turn the calories into muscle. NEWS: Turki's Strange Dream: Klitschko-Fury II, But Only If... Fury, 36, wants to come in heavier for this fight to use his weight to bully and wear down the smaller Usyk. The idea is that Fury will grab the smaller 220+ lb Usyk after throwing punches and exhaust. That’s the strategy that Tyson used against Deontay and Wladimir Klitschko. Fury’s net worth is expected to shoot over $200 million with his rematch with Usyk, which reportedly will bring him in a purse of over $100 million. He’ll likely fight Anthony Joshua twice in 2025.

Source: Boxing News 24
 
Fury vs Usyk 2: Boxing title bout pair dragged away from 11-minute face-off

Heavyweight boxing champion Oleksandr Usyk and challenger Tyson Fury had to be pulled apart following a more than 11-minute faceoff at a press conference ahead of their title fight on Saturday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

The pair held the position for 11 minutes and 20 seconds before being separated, with Fury, 36, shouting taunts at Usyk, 37, who eventually walked away with arms aloft as though in victory.

Only towards the end of the confrontation in Riyadh, in which World Boxing Council (WBC) President Mauricio Sulaiman stepped in to try to break up the pair, did matters become heated, with Usyk coolly standing his ground while Fury became increasingly animated as an attempt was made to pull him away.

Ukrainian fighter Usyk defeated Fury, who was born in Manchester, the United Kingdom, in a split-points decision in May to unify the heavyweight belts. But the latter immediately triggered terms in the fight allowing a rematch.

“Now we have just a performance with lights and cameras. Everything will take place on Saturday,” Usyk calmly told reporters even before the customary face-to-face encounter between the pair on stage.


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Fury and Usyk dragged apart from 11-minute faceoff at Riyadh press briefing

Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk had to be pulled away from each other after an 11-minute faceoff ahead of title fight.
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Ruling made on Tyson Fury’s beard after Oleksandr Usyk’s team raise concern​

Tyson Fury will reportedly not have to trim his beard for his rematch with Oleksandr Usyk this weekend.

Fury, who claimed he cut himself off from his family during an intense training camp, has sported a long beard this week, as he aims to avenge his sole professional loss – a split decision against Usyk in May. That result kept Usyk unbeaten and saw him crowned the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years

And ahead of Saturday’s second meeting in Riyadh, where Usyk defends the unified belts this time, the Ukrainian flagged Fury’s beard as a potential concern.

Source: The Independent
 
The Bald Eagle said:

Ruling made on Tyson Fury’s beard after Oleksandr Usyk’s team raise concern​

Tyson Fury will reportedly not have to trim his beard for his rematch with Oleksandr Usyk this weekend.

Fury, who claimed he cut himself off from his family during an intense training camp, has sported a long beard this week, as he aims to avenge his sole professional loss – a split decision against Usyk in May. That result kept Usyk unbeaten and saw him crowned the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years

And ahead of Saturday’s second meeting in Riyadh, where Usyk defends the unified belts this time, the Ukrainian flagged Fury’s beard as a potential concern.

Source: The Independent
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Tyson look more focused ... And could really stage a comeback. Usyk also still undefeated. Would be a great match
 
Well done, deserved win by usyk, took Over fight from round 4 and dominated

Not bad for middleweight rabbit 🐇🐰🥊🥊
 
Pathetic corrupt judging, Usyk was given a severe boxing lesson. Giving Fury just four rounds? that’s just ridiculous, Usyk didn’t win more than 3-4 rounds the entire fight, I am stunned. They are punishing him for his comments after the first fight and most casuals only see this fight from the POV of who they want to win. He got his head boxed off.
 
On the same card they gave the judges the brown envelope for the Fisher / Allen fight, I was concerned after that robbery, I don’t think they allow judges to take drugs especially in Saudi but the fix was in evidently.
 
shaz619 said:
Pathetic corrupt judging, Usyk was given a severe boxing lesson. Giving Fury just four rounds? that’s just ridiculous, Usyk didn’t win more than 3-4 rounds the entire fight, I am stunned. They are punishing him for his comments after the first fight and most casuals only see this fight from the POV of who they want to win. He got his head boxed off.
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🤣 bro were you watching fight on radio? Usyk pulled away with fight as it went on. Fury hugging and one or two shots at end of each round weren't going to win rounds
 
Amjid Javed said:
🤣 bro were you watching fight on radio? Usyk pulled away with fight as it went on. Fury hugging and one or two shots at end of each round weren't going to win rounds
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I think most Usyk fans watched it with their head up his behind, like seriously, according to the judges Fury boxed better in the first fight when he gave away so much ground, explain how he won just 4 rounds ? Usyk had very brief moments of success with some eye catching shots during the last 20 secs of each round but that’s not how you score a fight; he struggled to get under Tyson’s excellent jab and couldn’t get his combinations off, Fury held the centre for the most part and hurt him throughout with his body shots, upper cuts and right cross when he jumped in.
 
shaz619 said:
I think most Usyk fans watched it with their head up his behind, like seriously, according to the judges Fury boxed better in the first fight when he gave away so much ground, explain how he won just 4 rounds ? Usyk had very brief moments of success with some eye catching shots during the last 20 secs of each round but that’s not how you score a fight; he struggled to get under Tyson’s excellent jab and couldn’t get his combinations off, Fury held the centre for the most part and hurt him throughout with his body shots, upper cuts and right cross when he jumped in.
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I am a layman when it comes to boxing, I would prefer Fury to Usyk but to my untrained eye it looked like a Usyk win.

Great fight overall. I wish this had been the first one.
 
Amjid Javed said:
🤣 bro were you watching fight on radio? Usyk pulled away with fight as it went on. Fury hugging and one or two shots at end of each round weren't going to win rounds
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I had it alot closer. But Usyk for me edged it.

No doubt. The best heavyweight of this Generation.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I had it alot closer. But Usyk for me edged it.

No doubt. The best heavyweight of this Generation.
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Based on what exactly? smoking AJ on points who was never a legendary fighter to begin with, getting tested by Derek Chisora & getting some controversial points wins against a past it Fury; not to mention getting a gift against Dubois. Usyk was a great Cruserweight who did well there apart from when he fought Briedis, but is vastly overrated, he’s not a fighter who will make it on too many all time lists, he’s a forgettable boxer. Thorough professional and tough as old boots though.
 
Would people seriously put Usyk in the same sentence as Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson etc he would get pasted by all these great heavyweights at their best. Usyk is fortunate to have moved up to HW when the division is in transition and has been able to compete.
 
shaz619 said:
Based on what exactly? smoking AJ on points who was never a legendary fighter to begin with, getting tested by Derek Chisora & getting some controversial points wins against a past it Fury; not to mention getting a gift against Dubois. Usyk was a great Cruserweight who did well there apart from when he fought Briedis, but is vastly overrated, he’s not a fighter who will make it on too many all time lists, he’s a forgettable boxer. Thorough professional and tough as old boots though.
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He's beaten what's been put infront of him. Now if the quality of the bums he's beaten are ordinary, that's not his fault.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
He's beaten what's been put infront of him. Now if the quality of the bums he's beaten are ordinary, that's not his fault.
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Well I take issue with this point on him being the best of his generation, that would imply he was a part of the era of HW’s in their prime, e.g AJ, Wilder & Fury, the fight between the two best HW’s of their era happened long before Usyk moved up to pick up the scraps. It is more sensible to suggest he is arguably the best CW of his generation.
 
shaz619 said:
Well I take issue with this point on him being the best of his generation, that would imply he was a part of the era of HW’s in their prime, e.g AJ, Wilder & Fury, the fight between the two best HW’s of their era happened long before Usyk moved up to pick up the scraps. It is more sensible to suggest he is arguably the best CW of his generation.
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Matter of opinions
 
shaz619 said:
He got bounced around the ring in the first fight mate and spent most of the time on the back foot, Usyk struggled to work in this fight when Fury held the centre, Usyk landing shots on the gloves & arms shouldn’t win you rounds. But I will say Usyk is a tough SOB to have absorbed so much punishment, it just shows how vital it is to live the life as a fighter in-between camps, he only takes 3 weeks off and goes into training between fights.
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Early on usyk struggled to get under Furys jab, but he slowly worked it out and started to hit the cleaner shots. The combinations fury put together early on started to drop. Even his trainer was telling him to work harder, just like 1st fight Usyk stepped it up as fight went on. Fury is use to leaning on people for a lot of rounds as he can't fight none stop for 3 minutes. Because is hugging and leaning didn't work he got picked off more as he tired. Apart from 1 round, usyk landed more punches in all other rounds.

115-113 might have maybe been fairer reflection, but usyk won
 
Usyk breaks Fury's heart with points win in rematch

Oleksandr Usyk defeated Tyson Fury to retain his unified heavyweight world titles and prove his status as a generational great with another close points win in their rematch in Saudi Arabia.

Having inflicted a first career defeat on Briton Fury by split decision in May, Usyk's astuteness and will to win once again prevailed at Riyadh's Kingdom Arena - and he retained his WBA (Super), WBC and WBO titles.

Fury, 36, found success in the first half of the fight. Some of the more eye-catching shots came from the Morecambe fighter, but the volume of punches and cleaner work were from Ukrainian Usyk.

All three judges scored it 116-112 to the 37-year-old champion.

Usyk, an Olympic gold medallist and former undisputed cruiserweight champion, extended his undefeated record to 23 pro wins.

"He [Tyson Fury] is a great fighter, he is a great opponent. An unbelievable 24 rounds for my career. Thank you so much," Usyk said.

Two-time world champion Fury has only ever lost to Usyk, his two defeats the major blemishes on a record also consisting of 34 wins and one draw.

Fury left the ring without conducting an interview, before IBF world champion Daniel Dubois climbed in and called for a rematch with Usyk.

A visibly frustrated figure in the moments after the scorecards were read out, Fury said backstage he was convinced he won the fight by "at least three rounds".

Superstar Usyk edges a showcase of elite level boxing

In a rematch billed as Usyk v Fury 'reignited', the sport's two most technically gifted heavyweights served up another classic and showcased elite level boxing.

The Gypsy King was in playful mood with an unorthodox ring entrance to Mariah Carey's 'All I Want For Christmas Is You'.

Dressed as Father Christmas, Fury was still sporting the bushy beard which was cleared at a rules meeting amid protests from Usyk's team.

A stern-faced Usyk marched to the ring in super-quick time. Wearing a warrior-like robe, he crouched in the corner to recite a prayer.

After an 11-minute face-off on Thursday, Fury and Usyk picked up where they left off, their eyes fixated on each other as met in the centre of the ring.

Neither man over-committed in a cagey opening round. Fury showboated his way through the first fight but there was more seriousness to his work here. He wobbled Usyk in the closing seconds of the second.

With an advantage of six inches in height, eight inches in reach and four stone in weight, Fury used his physicality to keep Usyk at range.

But just as he did in the first fight, Usyk found success targeting Fury's body.

Two bruising left hooks landed flush on Fury in the fourth. "Keep it basic. He's running around - slow it down," trainer SugarHill Steward told Fury after the fifth.

An overhand left connected cleanly with Fury's forehead in the sixth. Fury's pace dropped and Usyk was heading into his groove.

Fury found a second wind, however, and edged the ninth. It felt as if it was still all to play for in the championship rounds.

Model Rosie Huntington-Whiteley and actor husband Jason Statham watched from plush ringside seats, alongside a stellar list of boxing royalty including Roberto Duran, Lennox Lewis and Prince Naseem Hamed.

Usyk unleashed a sublime combination in the 11th. With Fury momentarily hurt, the champion applied the pressure.

Fury looked the more desperate of the pair as Usyk finished the fight on top.

Best of era Usyk running out of opponents

Two close defeats by a fighter of Usyk's calibre does not point to a sharp decline in Fury ability. On another day, with another set of judges, it may have been a different result.

"I'm really disappointed. We'll have to see what happens in the future for Tyson. I thought he was in control, boxed really well and had Usyk on his back foot," promoter Frank Warren said.

Fury is an enigma: a boxer who - even when he refuses to engage with the media or sell a fight as he did this week - is able to emit a certain energy and draw in a crowd.

Anthony Joshua is also at a crossroads after a destructive defeat by Dubois. Now may be the perfect time for the long-awaited all-British heavyweight tussle.

Usyk, meanwhile, can rightly call the shots on his next move.

Dubois, who was stopped by Usyk last year, still harbours a grudge after the referee's decision to rule a punch which dropped the Ukrainian earlier in the fight as a low blow.

Usyk has also previously hinted he could move back down cruiserweight. The discipline it would take to lose the weight and recondition himself is indicative of a man forever chasing greatness and new challenges.

The Crimea-born fighter certainly has options, but the best of his era is running out of credible opponents.

BBC
 
Usyk is the best for me fighter of his generation, period. No one can question his resume. He's faught and beaten all comers.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Early on usyk struggled to get under Furys jab, but he slowly worked it out and started to hit the cleaner shots. The combinations fury put together early on started to drop. Even his trainer was telling him to work harder, just like 1st fight Usyk stepped it up as fight went on. Fury is use to leaning on people for a lot of rounds as he can't fight none stop for 3 minutes. Because is hugging and leaning didn't work he got picked off more as he tired. Apart from 1 round, usyk landed more punches in all other rounds.

115-113 might have maybe been fairer reflection, but usyk won
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Usyk never won a round during the first half - at best Rd 1 was a swing round, but Fury did feel the pace of the fight between 7-8, his hands started to drop low and Usyk was able to get off with his combinations; Steward saw this in the corner and pushed Tyson to be aggressive and he came back strong during championship rounds where again at best I’d have given Usyk 1-2 rounds, no fighter has out-boxed Usyk like this, there was not a single ‘dominant’ or clear round Usyk won, the ones he did were all competitive. The clinch is not just used to conserve your energy but with a man that big, when you put that weight on someone it can be physically draining, Fury did that when he put more than 1-2 punches together so Usyk could not counter him and also work on the inside. This is a Fury well past it and Usyk is had life & death with him. I think Carl Frampton & Richie Woodhall’s scoring was more reflective of the fight.
 
Savak said:
Usyk is the best for me fighter of his generation, period. No one can question his resume. He's faught and beaten all comers.
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If he won this conclusively maybe I’d entertain that, but P4P it’s Crawford at the moment.
 
shaz619 said:
Usyk never won a round during the first half - at best Rd 1 was a swing round, but Fury did feel the pace of the fight between 7-8, his hands started to drop low and Usyk was able to get off with his combinations; Steward saw this in the corner and pushed Tyson to be aggressive and he came back strong during championship rounds where again at best I’d have given Usyk 1-2 rounds, no fighter has out-boxed Usyk like this, there was not a single ‘dominant’ or clear round Usyk won, the ones he did were all competitive. The clinch is not just used to conserve your energy but with a man that big, when you put that weight on someone it can be physically draining, Fury did that when he put more than 1-2 punches together so Usyk could not counter him and also work on the inside. This is a Fury well past it and Usyk is had life & death with him. I think Carl Frampton & Richie Woodhall’s scoring was more reflective of the fight.
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The 1st four rounds were difficult to score, Tysoen won atleast two of those, or could say even 3. Like I said early on Tyson was using his jab well, but once Usyk was able to get inside it became a difficult fight. Also fury started to miss with loads of shots as fight went on and was being countered more. People getting carried away because Tyson was on front foot for half the fight. After round six Usyk work was cleaner, he connected with more punches, fury ran out of ideas and energy. No surprise the British commentators gave fight to fury, these guys are never impartial.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The 1st four rounds were difficult to score, Tysoen won atleast two of those, or could say even 3. Like I said early on Tyson was using his jab well, but once Usyk was able to get inside it became a difficult fight. Also fury started to miss with loads of shots as fight went on and was being countered more. People getting carried away because Tyson was on front foot for half the fight. After round six Usyk work was cleaner, he connected with more punches, fury ran out of ideas and energy. No surprise the British commentators gave fight to fury, these guys are never impartial.
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They were only difficult to score if Usyk wasn’t winning them clearly, for more than 60% of the fight he held the centre unlike in the first fight, and he actually fought much better off the back foot, I think folk are being carried away by Usyk’s pressure which was neutralised and a lot of his shots were defended well on the gloves or Fury’s head movement, he put on a clinic so I just find how folk have had it very bizarre, he landed some nice clean shots towards the back end of each rounds and it’s possible that played on the minds of fans/judges but you can’t give a round to a boxer for having a nice 10 seconds or even a minute unless severe damage is done. Usyk struggled to adjust to how well Fury used his physical advantages in this fight and relied heavily on Fury’s gas tank running out before he could work & even then I don’t feel he did enough. It wasn’t just those guys but other fighters ring side to like Oscar, those commies still had it closer than I did.
 
For me Usyk has the Ring IQ of any present or Past Greats. We are witnessing a true Boxing Royalty, and now that he's cleaned up the entire Heavyweight division, he should call time on his career, and cement his legacy as one of the GOATS .
 
aboveandbeyond said:
For me Usyk has the Ring IQ of any present or Past Greats. We are witnessing a true Boxing Royalty, and now that he's cleaned up the entire Heavyweight division, he should call time on his career, and cement his legacy as one of the GOATS .
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I don’t think he beats his countrymen in their prime either, he would be stopped by Vitali or Wladmir. Good solid / tough boxer who doesn’t have the all round ability or physicality to beat the best HW’s ever, maybe he can give it a good go for 12 rounds though
 
@Amjid Javed For what it’s worth I will watch it again, maybe I got it all wrong, I will wait a bit and see it again, because am genuinely flabbergasted by the scoring. Still I don’t rate Usyk super highly like others, best ever etc and top all time HW is hilarious to hear.
 
shaz619 said:
I don’t think he beats his countrymen in their prime either, he would be stopped by Vitali or Wladmir. Good solid / tough boxer who doesn’t have the all round ability or physicality to beat the best HW’s ever, maybe he can give it a good go for 12 rounds though
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Usyks IQ makes up for his lack of weight. He's like a puzzle which bamboozled both fury and Joshua, with his immense footwork and ring craft at the age of 37, after a bruising career both in amateurs and Pro ranks.

For me, he's no doubt the best heavyweight of this generation, and because of his IQ and ring craft hes one of the GOATS.

Both AJ (Bruno 2) and Fury ( Butterbean) can cry all they want. In Four fights, not once have these So called Giants have put USYK on the floor.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The 1st four rounds were difficult to score, Tysoen won atleast two of those, or could say even 3. Like I said early on Tyson was using his jab well, but once Usyk was able to get inside it became a difficult fight. Also fury started to miss with loads of shots as fight went on and was being countered more. People getting carried away because Tyson was on front foot for half the fight. After round six Usyk work was cleaner, he connected with more punches, fury ran out of ideas and energy. No surprise the British commentators gave fight to fury, these guys are never impartial.
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Agree. Both BBC and Sky Sports Box office Comms were completely biased.

Groves
Hamed
Lewis
Froch
Nelson
Bellew

Had Usyk winning comfortably.

Warren i can understand . He was livid because of the chance of a MAMMOTH pay day a trilogy would bring. If he was that shocked, he would have complained, and appeal for a rematch.
 
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