Pitches in Bangladesh a matter of embarrassment to the game

[RedwoodOriginal]

Nothing wrong with the strategy in the last 2 games. Pitches were reasonable.

Issue is that BD batting is often miss in this format. Not like a flat wicket would mean our batsmen will magically become beasts

Any pitch where a team crawls to score 127, where not a single six is hit and where a left-arm spinner playing his second match gets the ball to bounce over the batsman's shoulder is not a good pitch regardless of what you may believe.

 

[iniqbal223]

yes.

Thats why Bangladesh never progressed much in last 20 years except for few rare victories

 

[Executioner]

Any pitch where a team crawls to score 127, where not a single six is hit and where a left-arm spinner playing his second match gets the ball to bounce over the batsman's shoulder is not a good pitch regardless of what you may believe.

I mentioned the last 2 games. First game was a minefield.

Both batting sides are inept on spin friendly conditions. The pitches are 140-150 run pitches. Ineptness of the batting sides should not tell you otherwise. You can argue that is not a great pitch for T20 - entertainment or skill. But much better than most of the pitches in the first T20 and Aus series

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I mentioned the last 2 games. First game was a minefield.

Both batting sides are inept on spin friendly conditions. The pitches are 140-150 run pitches. Ineptness of the batting sides should not tell you otherwise. You can argue that is not a great pitch for T20 - entertainment or skill. But much better than most of the pitches in the first T20 and Aus series

Lol and what are you basing this judgment on? Did you actually play on the pitch?

I've seen T20 matches held in Bangladesh before. The pitches from the last two series have been something else entirely.

 

[Aman]

I mentioned the last 2 games. First game was a minefield.

Both batting sides are inept on spin friendly conditions. The pitches are 140-150 run pitches. Ineptness of the batting sides should not tell you otherwise. You can argue that is not a great pitch for T20 - entertainment or skill. But much better than most of the pitches in the first T20 and Aus series

lol, neither the first or third game pitches were conducive to stroke play. I've seen 140-150 pitches and neither of those were it.

None of the players trusted committing to their shots, this created doubts in the batsmen's minds and hence you got some really soft dismissals because the batsmen didn't know how the ball was going to behave.

 

[Aman]

Again, says who?

The home team is well within its right to dictate pitches. This is not a neutral venue; it is a home series for Bangladesh, and they have every right to produce pitches that suit their team.

It was a perfectly fine pitch for Bangladesh. They won the game with ease, and New Zealand need to up their game.

What do you think would happen to the IPL or BBL if they played matches on these pitches?

Because I can tell you now, no one would be watching.

 

[OMB]

What do you think would happen to the IPL or BBL if they played matches on these pitches?

Because I can tell you now, no one would be watching.

I agree that IPL will never make pitches like this.
However, BD well within their rights (even if makes no sense for their overall game development) as was NZ in all these years.

 

[Mamoon]

Says who? Says the nature of the game 20 overs a side short games designed for entertainment. If you want to make wickets which are slow then this version of game dos not need to be played.

The greatest form of entertainment is winning matches. Bangladesh cricket board and fans couldn’t care less if neutrals and haters find this boring. They will produce home pitches that maximize their chances of winning and there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[Mamoon]

What do you think would happen to the IPL or BBL if they played matches on these pitches?

Because I can tell you now, no one would be watching.

You need to understand the difference between a tournament and a home series. Bangladesh is not a strong side and they cannot out-bat and out-bowl the likes of Australia and New Zealand on flat wickets.

Although New Zealand have been very poor in Bangladesh over the years anyway, their best chance is to produce such pitches because it maximizes their chances of winning and there is nothing wrong with it at all.

Every team has the right to produce favorable home pitches regardless of the format.

 

[Bahnz]

Every team has the right to produce favorable home pitches regardless of the format.

I mean...nobody here is actually saying the BCB don't have the right to prepare pitches like this. The question is a) whether it promotes attractive, high-skilled cricket, and b) is this going to help or hinder Bangladesh's hopes of going to the next level as a cricket side.

Like back in the 90's, NZ were a poor side, and so used to fall back on slow, turgid wickets that would bring trundlers like Gavin Larsen and Chris Harris into the game. It did help the side to win a fair bit at home, but it didn't exactly support the development of attacking bowlers and stroke-making batsmen, and it just resulted in NZ getting trounced whenever they headed overseas. It wasn't until NZ moved away from those kinds of pitches in the early 00's that more aggressive multi-dimensional cricketers started getting a run, which has obviously been to the sides benefit in the long run.

Over the past decade, Bangladesh have been by far the worst touring side of any of the established nations, especially in T20's (despite the emergence of a number of very talented players in that time). Given that the most important limited overs matches (ICC tournaments) are almost always played away from home, this is a major problem and imo a big part of it is pitches like this that incentivise the selectors to pick bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounders and medium pace cutter-bowlers who are going to be cannon-fodder the second they cross the border.

 

[dildilpak]

Bangladesh is well within its right to produce these pitches (as long as they are not dangerous to the batsmen, which they are not). But they have to think what is the end game here. You can notch up a few home series wins which is good for confidence. But how are they going to develop players to compete overseas. It is a cricket crazy nation and they should have no problem finding talent. But just don’t seem to look at the big picture and aim high enough. Almost seems like they don’t have the confidence that they can ever compete overseas, so want to at least notch a few wins at home. They are underselling themselves, I think.

 

[Unleashed]

Embarrassing thread, imagine the shamelessness to moan about the pitches in Bangladesh. ***, have some pride.

 

[shaz619]

Embarrassing thread, imagine the shamelessness to moan about the pitches in Bangladesh. ***, have some pride.

Well said, the biggest embarrassment is the performance of the NZ team

 

[shaz619]

It’s safe to call NZ, BD’s bunny’s. But even by their standards this was truly shocking output considering how much they over rate themselves these days, pathetic joke of a team. The nice guys have been humiliated.

 

[Aman]

It’s safe to call NZ, BD’s bunny’s. But even by their standards this was truly shocking output considering how much they over rate themselves these days, pathetic joke of a team. The nice guys have been humiliated.

We're 2-1 down with 1 competitive game and a thrashing either way with the B/C team in a T20 series, you're acting like we're getting humiliated England feat. NZ and India 2021.

 

[Unleashed]

Again, I don't care about the result.

I want to see our young batsmen bat.

Surely it's better for young batsman to play on these kind of pitches to help them develop the game rather than playing in standard 180-200 T20 pitch.

 

[Aman]

Surely it's better for young batsman to play on these kind of pitches to help them develop the game rather than playing in standard 180-200 T20 pitch.

Finn Allen probably wont play Test cricket, Ravindra and Young will probably be a better LOI batsmen than Test batsmen.

It's a different feeling watching young players perform and score runs. Finn Allen is particularly exciting but haven't gotten many chances to see him bat.

 

[Space Cat]

I might be in the minority but i think Bangladesh have the stroke makers to match and beat this NZ side on a batting friendly track.

You can still have a pitch with true bounce that takes turn.

The super slow low decks dont do anybody any favours except make pie bowlers look like world beaters. Ravindra was bowling darty long hops most of the time.

 

[Pakhs]

The greatest form of entertainment is winning matches. Bangladesh cricket board and fans couldn’t care less if neutrals and haters find this boring. They will produce home pitches that maximize their chances of winning and there is nothing wrong with it.

LOL that's fine people are just pointing out that Bangladesh has decided to use home advantage in T20 cricket as well which is embarrassing.

 

[sweep_shot]

I might be in the minority but i think Bangladesh have the stroke makers to match and beat this NZ side on a batting friendly track.

You can still have a pitch with true bounce that takes turn.

The super slow low decks dont do anybody any favours except make pie bowlers look like world beaters. Ravindra was bowling darty long hops most of the time.

I agree with you.

I think Bangladesh can beat this Kiwi side on any track. This Kiwi side is extremely inexperienced.

 

[BDfanforever]

Another thought, it's possible NZ may have asked for these slow pitches in preparation for India tours. Teams like Aus, NZ, Eng likes to use BD as a guinea pig.

Otherwise, I don't see how these pitches are preparing both teams for WC. Also, this NZ squad is very inexperienced unlike the Aus squad.

I am pretty sure full strength NZ would easily win 3-2 at least.

 

[dildilpak]

Another thought, it's possible NZ may have asked for these slow pitches in preparation for India tours. Teams like Aus, NZ, Eng likes to use BD as a guinea pig.

Otherwise, I don't see how these pitches are preparing both teams for WC. Also, this NZ squad is very inexperienced unlike the Aus squad.

I am pretty sure full strength NZ would easily win 3-2 at least.

Err, how will these slow T20 pitches help in preparing for test matches in India. Also i am betting very few if any of this NZ squad will play in that test series so this argument is nonsensical.

Nice try though trying to push the pitch criticism on NZ team.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Haven't watched a single match as I was occupied with work checked the scorecard and this is certainly not going to do Bangladesh any good in the T20 World Cup. I see a first round exit, Mushfiq really doesn't deserve to be in the T20 team. He is taking the spot of a youngster beauty Iike Shamim Superstar.

We need flat phattas and need to groom Afif, Shamim and the new opener of Bangladesh.

Soumya and Mushfiq should quit T20.

Need a couple of mystery spinner, Mahedi and Shakib will go for plenty in the world cup. Shakib was hit for 5 sixes by Dan Christian in a spinning paradise remember.

Hope Bangladesh qualifies for World T20 and then it's one sided affairs.

 

[msb314]

Says who? Says the nature of the game 20 overs a side short games designed for entertainment. If you want to make wickets which are slow then this version of game dos not need to be played.

So is the ball spinning and turning not considered entertainment??

 

[IMMY69]

So is the ball spinning and turning not considered entertainment??

Not for me.
A wicket should give help to bowlers if they have the skills and out in the effort and should be good for stroke makers if they play well.

If it tips slightly in favour of batting or bowling then that's fine.
But if an average or inexperienced bowler is suddenly spinning it with bounce and is impossible to hit off the square then that's just awful.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Finn Allen probably wont play Test cricket, Ravindra and Young will probably be a better LOI batsmen than Test batsmen.

It's a different feeling watching young players perform and score runs. Finn Allen is particularly exciting but haven't gotten many chances to see him bat.

I wouldn't make a judgment on Finn Allen just yet. He's very young and has a long career ahead of him. Based on what I saw in the U-19 World Cup, it would surprise me if he doesn't become New Zealand's next great batting star.

Will Young is obviously much older, but he showed in England that he had the temperament to make it in the longest format. Just needs consistent chances at the top.

Both these guys excite me very much.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think its very important to make a distinction between the quality of pitches and Bangladesh's right to prepare such pitches.

Yes the pitches are terrible and joke for this format.

That said, Bangladesh are well within their rights to prepare pitches that provide them with the greatest advantage, and greatest chances of winning. That's the whole point of the 'home advantage'.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I wouldn't make a judgment on Finn Allen just yet. He's very young and has a long career ahead of him. Based on what I saw in the U-19 World Cup, it would surprise me if he doesn't become New Zealand's next great batting star.

Will Young is obviously much older, but he showed in England that he had the temperament to make it in the longest format. Just needs consistent chances at the top.

Both these guys excite me very much.

A batter with just one mode of playing doesn't tick many boxes it needs to become a great player.

 

[IMMY69]

I think its very important to make a distinction between the quality of pitches and Bangladesh's right to prepare such pitches.

Yes the pitches are terrible and joke for this format.

That said, Bangladesh are well within their rights to prepare pitches that provide them with the greatest advantage, and greatest chances of winning. That's the whole point of the 'home advantage'.

By preparing these sorts of wickets they are only doing a disservice to themselves

 

[gazza619]

Welfare XI & the Kangaroos have performed disgustingly. Dont blame the pitches.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

A batter with just one mode of playing doesn't tick many boxes it needs to become a great player.

You could say the same for David Warner when he burst onto the scene in 2009. He was a year older than Allen is now.

If a player has the it factor, he will find a way to adapt and evolve. Over the years I have seen many talented players at U-19 World Cups who went on to become great players. And I have a feeling Finn Allen is another one who will be in their company one day.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

By preparing these sorts of wickets they are only doing a disservice to themselves

I disagree. For a team like Bangladesh, that is still just above minnow-level, short terms results outweigh long-term planning. They had never even beaten NZ in a T20I before this series. So clearly these wins mean alot to them.

 

[IMMY69]

I disagree. For a team like Bangladesh, that is still just above minnow-level, short terms results outweigh long-term planning. They had never even beaten NZ in a T20I before this series. So clearly these wins mean alot to them.

Sometimes I forget they're just above minnow level, I suppose it's because they've been playing for so long...those threads where it was argued they were above Pakistan in ODI's on the back of beating a side lead by Azhar Ali...

So I will accept your view and wish them luck on whatever pitches they decide to produce which can help them beat a Kiwi B side

 

[BunnyRabbit]

You could say the same for David Warner when he burst onto the scene in 2009. He was a year older than Allen is now.

If a player has the it factor, he will find a way to adapt and evolve. Over the years I have seen many talented players at U-19 World Cups who went on to become great players. And I have a feeling Finn Allen is another one who will be in their company one day.

Warner always looked a million bucks and after around 20 FC matches he was already averaging 45+ if i remember correctly and around 50 as an opener as he was batting in the middle order as well.
Finn Allen no doubt very talented is more of a Jason Roy or Aaron Finch than Warner IMO.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Finn Allen and Rachin look good future prospects.
Rachin can bowl also right ? Left Arm Spinner i think. How is he in bowling?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Finn Allen and Rachin look good future prospects.
Rachin can bowl also right ? Left Arm Spinner i think. How is he in bowling?

Pretty okay. More of a batsman tbh.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Warner always looked a million bucks and after around 20 FC matches he was already averaging 45+ if i remember correctly and around 50 as an opener as he was batting in the middle order as well.
Finn Allen no doubt very talented is more of a Jason Roy or Aaron Finch than Warner IMO.

Far too early to make a judgment on his career. He's a quality player with alot of talent. And ultimately that is what matters most.

 

[Space Cat]

So is the ball spinning and turning not considered entertainment??

It is entertaining but not when there is no bounce. Turn is great but a sluggish wicket with no bounce makes for an awful spectacle in T20s.

There is some good turning wickets in the CPL with spinners in the forefront but the pitches still reward good stroke making.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

T20 pitches which are super slow, unpredictable bounce and no confidence to cut, pull, sweep or anything. Explains how Aus lost here.

May as well play 5 spinners on this track.

These pitches are apparently underprepared due to this not being cricket season in Bangladesh.

BCB also I suspsect is trying to get cheap points, jump to the top 8 of the rankings, and ensure automatic qualification for all future World CUps. Clever move, I'll say.

But I wouldn't read into these results too much. Australia sent an A team, and this NZ side wouldn't even be their B team.

 

[Rafa]

Other teams in the future might send their C and D teams to Bangaldesh considering the pitches they are preparing. Substandard players for substandard pitches.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Far too early to make a judgment on his career. He's a quality player with alot of talent. And ultimately that is what matters most.

That will depend on if he prioritizes longer formats or not. If he goes the LOI route + franchise cricket, then no chance. If he plays more long format games, then there's a chance.
Another thing is Australian players are paid a lot more than their NZ counterparts.

 

[Mamoon]

LOL that's fine people are just pointing out that Bangladesh has decided to use home advantage in T20 cricket as well which is embarrassing.

The only thing that is embarrassing is the performance of New Zealand batsmen.

 

[Pakhs]

So is the ball spinning and turning not considered entertainment??

Not in T20 cricket if you dont understand then you can not be helped.

 

[Rana]

The only thing that is embarrassing is the performance of New Zealand batsmen.

I guess you hate New Zealand now because they beat India in the WTC final

 

[Executioner]

Other teams in the future might send their C and D teams to Bangaldesh considering the pitches they are preparing. Substandard players for substandard pitches.

Pitches have actually been decent for ODIs and we still have an excellent record at home since 2015. We lost only one bilateral series at home (2-1) to England (2016) and even that series was very closely contested.

I do not like the pitches served in the last 2 T20 series. I don't think it makes for good entertainment and certainly not great practice for our young team, especially with the WT20 around the corner.

 

[Pakhs]

Pitches have actually been decent for ODIs and we still have an excellent record at home since 2015. We lost only one bilateral series at home (2-1) to England (2016) and even that series was very closely contested.

I do not like the pitches served in the last 2 T20 series. I don't think it makes for good entertainment and certainly not great practice for our young team, especially with the WT20 around the corner.

Its embarrassing what kind of international cricket board / country can not prepare good wicket that lasts 40 overs? and suited to the format that is to be played?

Obviously been done on purpose which is also embarrassing players should be told in T20 they should develop enough skills to play on wickets that are suitable for the format.

 

[Mamoon]

I guess you hate New Zealand now because they beat India in the WTC final

New Zealand is a fake team. They are only good in NZ/ENG conditions and they were extremely lucky to play in the WTC Final because of a highly favorable schedule.

India will smash that anywhere in the world except NZ. In fact, they would even beat them in England but they were rusty for the WTC final while NZ had already played a series vs England.

Williamson himself is the most overrated player in the world. He fails away from home and against good attacks all the time, but then scores 239* against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in Mickey Mouse size grounds in NZ and then his fans say that he is the greatest batsman in the world.

He even stole the World Cup player of the tournament award from Stokes because it was handed to him by ICC out of pity.

This “good guy” act that New Zealand try to pull off is nauseating. They are an overrated side and not even close to being the best Test team in the world.

Both India and Australia are comfortably better than them in most conditions.

Can’t wait for them get slaughtered in India with Williamson flopping as usual.

 

[Caved12]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], that fake team won the WTC final and almost won the odi world cup, lol

 

[Hasan123]

I don’t usually mind if a home team prepares a pitch to suit them. But these pitches were a disgrace for T20. No one has any interest in watching a team struggle to get to a 100 in T20s. By all means produce these pitches for tests and ODIs but for T20s ensure that 150ish is at least achievable.

 

[Babar_the_Destroyer]

I dunno why yes ur strength is spin or slow bowlers but this is just a bore fest how is a bowler and batter suppose to devlop his game if he plays on such substandard pitches

 

[Last Monetarist]

Those square-turners at home didn't quite help the Bangladesh team with their start to the T20 World Cup. Bit of a surprise given that the conditions in Oman aren't markedly different.

 

[Major]

Bangaldesh just lost to Scotland ) Those pitches came back to bite them

 

[reversehook]

maybe we get the naagin dance against PNG, maybe... lol

 

[Artaxerxes]

Easy wins on turning pitches at home was not true reflection of state of BD cricket.Granted T20 is a short format and low ranked teams can beat top teams.The manner in which BD was winning at home suggested the pitches were winning the matches for BD rather than BD players winning the matches.

 

[iniqbal223]

so they cant even win against Scotland on spinning track; This is how Bangladesh progressed
Pathetic hollow victories from them against C/D teams on spin tracks

 

[iniqbal223]

I was talking to an Indian co worker; and he was like he always respected Pakistan team (even they have seen downfall in last 2 years or so).. But Bangladesh team is a joke; just win few low profile series at home on spinning tracks;

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Those square-turners at home didn't quite help the Bangladesh team with their start to the T20 World Cup. Bit of a surprise given that the conditions in Oman aren't markedly different.

They are very different. Oman captain himself said, this is supposed to be a good batting pitch and anything below 150 is easily chase-able.

Bangladesh chose win at any cost but it cost them some really good practice against bowling attacks by offering such poor pitches. Now when they got a good pitch, they probably didn't hve much confidence with so many low scores behind them.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bangladesh got what they deserved.

They didn't prepare for the World Cup sufficiently. Also, there were some questionable XI selections.

 

[Bahnz]

Lol, this is what happens when you produce garbage tip pitches that bear no resemblance to an international standard wicket. Hope all those wins against Aus and NZ C-teams were worth it.

 

[Aman]

Couple of JAMT20S wins not worth possibly missing out on in playing a World Cup.

 

[Aman]

Do top 2 qualify or is it only the top ranked team?

 

[sweep_shot]

Do top 2 qualify or is it only the top ranked team?

Qualifier stage?

Two from each group can go to next round.

 

[Bahnz]

Do top 2 qualify or is it only the top ranked team?

Top 2. Bangladesh will advance, the gap between them and Oman is just too big. Should count themselves lucky they didn’t end up in the same group as Ireland and the Netherlands though.

 

[Rana]

Top 2. Bangladesh will advance, the gap between them and Oman is just too big. Should count themselves lucky they didn’t end up in the same group as Ireland and the Netherlands though.

I really wouldn’t write off the home side (Oman) so easily. They have a few guys who love to bat, and their bowlers are not too bad

 

[sweep_shot]

Top 2. Bangladesh will advance, the gap between them and Oman is just too big. Should count themselves lucky they didn’t end up in the same group as Ireland and the Netherlands though.

I actually feel this Scottish victory may turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Bangladesh.

It means Bangladesh may finish 2nd and end up in the other group with Australia, West Indies, and South Africa in it.

Bangladesh have much better chances against those teams than likes of India and NZ.

Bangladesh should now focus on beating Oman and PNG by big margins.

 

[gazza619]

I actually feel this Scottish victory may turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Bangladesh.

It means Bangladesh may finish 2nd and end up in the other group with Australia, West Indies, and South Africa in it.

Bangladesh have much better chances against those teams than likes of India and NZ.

Bangladesh should now focus on beating Oman and PNG by big margins.

Blessing in disguise has never worked for anyone in the history of blessing in disguise.

 

[sweep_shot]

Blessing in disguise has never worked for anyone in the history of blessing in disguise.

I mean I would rather see them with South Africa, West Indies, and Australia than with India, NZ, and Pakistan.

If this Scottish victory means BD end up in the other group, I am okay with it.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

NZ losing to both Australia and to England as well. Are UAE wickets a disgrace too? [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

 

[Aman]

NZ losing to both Australia and to England as well. Are UAE wickets a disgrace too? [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

Warm ups, England are a better team also so not surprising.

You should worry about your record against Pakistan than our warm up matches, I get the feeling they're beating you tonight.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Warm ups, England are a better team also so not surprising.

You should worry about your record against Pakistan than our warm up matches, I get the feeling they're beating you tonight.

The point was that the pitches in BD have nothing to do with anything. NZ are not a good T20 side. Getting beaten 5-zip in your own backyard by India is a fair reflection of how bad NZ is in this format.

 

[Aman]

The point was that the pitches in BD have nothing to do with anything. NZ are not a good T20 side. Getting beaten 5-zip in your own backyard by India is a fair reflection of how bad NZ is in this format.

For one, none of the players who toured Bangladesh are in the WC squad.

Two, for real lmao? We were going through a rough patch post that WC defeat. We gifted most of those games to you had really should have won that series easy with all the positions we were in. That one series is a really bad example to use given that India were fortunate to win that series. We found a way to lose matches we had wrapped up in that series.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

For one, none of the players who toured Bangladesh are in the WC squad.

Two, for real lmao? We were going through a rough patch post that WC defeat. We gifted most of those games to you had really should have won that series easy with all the positions we were in. That one series is a really bad example to use given that India were fortunate to win that series. We found a way to lose matches we had wrapped up in that series.

What rough patch? Your team is garbage outside NZ and even in NZ you lost to both England and India. Stop coming up with lame excuses every time NZ gets beaten .

 

[Aman]

What rough patch? Your team is garbage outside NZ and even in NZ you lost to both England and India. Stop coming up with lame excuses every time NZ gets beaten .

Garbage outside NZ.

�� shouldn't talk.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Garbage outside NZ.

�� shouldn't talk.

This is specifically about T20's obvuously.

 

[Aman]

This is specifically about T20's obvuously.

Last one is of a T20, in India.

 

[Aman]

This is specifically about T20's obvuously.

I don't think we have been a great team in T20s, but a few years back we were #1 in the format. In between that period we were poor, you could have used countless other series to show it but you showed the series where we bottled at least 3 games we had won to show that we're bad.

We've started to come around and are pretty decent now with some good young players around the squad. Not title contenders or good as the best teams but maybe SFs if we play well.