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"Playing for national team brings different feelings, can't get that anywhere else" : Kamran Akmal

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"Playing for national team brings different feelings, can't get that anywhere else" : Kamran Akmal

Kamran Akmal at a presser after PZ beat KK in Eliminator 2 of PSL 2018:

"We had four do or die games so the team management deserves a lot of credit."

"Some of the franchise owners panic a lot but Javed Afridi was relaxed and gave us confidence."

"If I think about what people are saying then I won't be able to perform well. My focus is on my cricket. If anyone says anything on TV, I'm not bothered about that. The coach has his own mind and needs to run his team, he will do what's best for Pakistan. I am playing my own cricket and will continue doing that."

"I try to perform everywhere and for every team I play. Unfortunately that didn't happen last time (comeback). Also after making a comeback after 3 years, there's a lot of pressure."

"I haven't lost hope; as long as I am in form and am fit, I will try to play for next 3-4 years and give performances everytime I play."

"Playing for the national team brings different feelings, you can't get that anywhere else. I am playing my cricket. The rest is up to the management, the board, captain and selectors. One person can't stop someone from playing for the team."

"Darren Sammy has really motivated myself and the whole team. He told me today that he felt I will make 70-80 runs. It's very helpful for the players when a captain gives players confidence. He's also leading the team well despite injury. I've also played despite injury, I could barely move my neck today but I must give credit to the physio for making me fit and motivated. Hasan and Wahab are struggling too but they are all playing for the team and delivering."

"Karachi usually has a good pitch and is good for the batsmen. I will try to play positive cricket and play the role I am expected to deliver. Whatever plan the coach and captain come up with, I will look to follow that."

"With regards to fielding, I can't say anything. In West Indies, everyone dropped catches and even in Karachi's team, players dropped catches in the last game. These things keep happening but things can change over time. Everyone gives their 100%. I am not worried about competing with anyone, I am just trying to do my best."
 
Good attitude to have, I really hope to see him given a chance in the Windies T20 series.
 
Even putting aside past failures there is no logic in picking him.


The next t20 WC is in 2020, he will be close to 40 then

He is barely fit enough to play these t20s how will he last in ODI, not to mention his shocking fielding


Our next limited overs series is vs a crap WI and a tour of Zimbwae, lets not waste that on Kamran.
 
Kamran Akmal is similar age to hafeez and malik and he's in red hot form. I would play him, no point of playing a youngster for the sake of playing a youngster when they are not performing as well. The openers slot is open alongside Fakhar.

I think apart from Mickey, Sarfraz may not want Kakmal in the team, as it can put his own position in the team in a bit of doubt. It's a shame, I hope he's given a series this year and he comes off big.
 
Kamran Akmal is similar age to hafeez and malik and he's in red hot form. I would play him, no point of playing a youngster for the sake of playing a youngster when they are not performing as well. The openers slot is open alongside Fakhar.


I am gonna give you a massive pass and not make further mention Kamran's atricous interntional record, that has remainded that way regardless of domestic performace.


the question is what are you you playing him for ?

What are you hoping we can use his "red hot form" for?

Our next intl limited overs duty is vs WI and ZImbawae . Why should these games be wasted on Kamran?


It will be the most Pakistan thing in the world to select him vs the minnows, drop him when he fails in the Asia cup, and then pick a youngster for the series vs Australia and then complain when that youngster fails.

Farhan should get a go.

There is no benfit in Pakistan selecting Kamran Akmal.
 
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"Playing for the national team brings different feelings, you can't get that anywhere else. I am playing my cricket. The rest is up to the management, the board, captain and selectors. One person can't stop someone from playing for the team."

Is this lost in translation or is it bit of a dig at Micky?
 
Not this whole Kami thing again...

What is it that people do not understand? He repeatedly comes back only to fail again and again. It is a vicious cycle which rational Pakistani fans have had to repeatedly suffer from.
 
There's another international batsman who is back in red hot form. I bet he can't wait for Kami's comeback :rosco
 
Even putting aside past failures there is no logic in picking him.


The next t20 WC is in 2020, he will be close to 40 then

He is barely fit enough to play these t20s how will he last in ODI, not to mention his shocking fielding


Our next limited overs series is vs a crap WI and a tour of Zimbwae, lets not waste that on Kamran.

I think it's a case of high reward, low risk. If Kamran keeps the same form 2 years later, he'll be very useful for the world cups in 2020 which isn't a long way away. His experience hopefully will help him, though I do believe he was pretty awful with the bat (let alone the gloves) in the past.

If Kamran given a few tours doesn't succeed and proves a failure, he's dropped. However there are few competitors especially openers. Fewer still who can hit against pace. Only one I can think of is Farhan. Shehzad's not performing in domestic, umar's looking terrible he can't open for sure. Others are banned.

In the period where Kamran is in the squad, hopefully younger openers can develop some sort of form. Farhan has such little experience and unfortunately didn't even play much in the PSL. Hard to throw him into international cricket already.

The only realistic alternatives I feel to Kamran is playing Shehzad which is definitely worse. Or promoting Babar or Haris to opener which isn't ideal, one has virtually no experience opening, the other is doing well at 3. And promoting/makeshift opener isn't a great solution with 2020 not too far away, it seems arguably a bigger gamble.

An ideal scenario is that Kamran serves us at a high level until 2020 where he's retired. And at least one of Farhan or Sami Aslam replaces him as opener having excelled in domestic at the point of their call up.
 
I am gonna give you a massive pass and not make further mention Kamran's atricous interntional record, that has remainded that way regardless of domestic performace.


the question is what are you you playing him for ?

What are you hoping we can use his "red hot form" for?

Our next intl limited overs duty is vs WI and ZImbawae . Why should these games be wasted on Kamran?


It will be the most Pakistan thing in the world to select him vs the minnows, drop him when he fails in the Asia cup, and then pick a youngster for the series vs Australia and then complain when that youngster fails.

Farhan should get a go.

There is no benfit in Pakistan selecting Kamran Akmal.

Playing him now as would like him to continue to perform for pakistan on ongoing tours too. If they don't pick him now, then they probably won't give him a chance in the future. Play youngsters too, but consider him for selection too, based on merit.

I don't know much about Farhan, but his most recent performances in the PSL are 29, 3*, 6 and 9. I wouldn't play a youngster for the sake of it and it should be on merit, so their most recent performances in the PSL and see how they handled that pressure.

Just because you're young doesn't mean you're good. We'd only need one of Fakhar or Kamran to fire, and with both of them there then there's a good chance one of them will more often then not. I want to play youngsters too, but Fakhar and Kamran together could be brutal. And at the moment we have a hole in the opening spot beside Fakhar, nobody has taken and secured that spot.

But, I don't believe Mickey or Sarfraz will give him a chance based on merit either, even though we need an opener.
 
Kami couldn't hold the ball with those massive gloves for a decade and one can't expect him to catch'em without those.
 
I don't know much about Farhan, but his most recent performances in the PSL are 29, 3*, 6 and 9. I wouldn't play a youngster for the sake of it and it should be on merit, so their most recent performances in the PSL and see how they handled that pressure.


Please do your research

Farhan I believe only played two games consecutively as an opener. He has opened his entire career, a lot of his game time at 5 or 6. If a 15 year veteran like Kamran can use a batting order as an excuse for 15 years of failure then surely Farhan's case can be put into context. Further, he has been scoring heavily in domestic cricket.

You mention pressure, true there is always pressure but 1) we have seen how badly Kamran responds to pressure, 2) WI and Zimbabwe don't have the pressure attached compared to other teams.


There is no guarantee Farhan will succeed, he is new and an open book. Kamran is the exact opposite, 15 years of failure regardless of domestic form tell me all I know
 
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Please do your research

Farhan I believe only played two games consecutively as an opener. He has opened his entire career, a lot of his game time at 5 or 6. If a 15 year veteran like Kamran can use a batting order as an excuse for 15 years of failure then surely Farhan's case can be put into context. Further, he has been scoring heavily in domestic cricket.

You mention pressure, true there is always pressure but 1) we have seen how badly Kamran responds to pressure, 2) WI and Zimbabwe don't have the pressure attached compared to other teams.


There is no guarantee Farhan will succeed, he is new and an open book. Kamran is the exact opposite, 15 years of failure regardless of domestic form tell me all I know

Regardless of where he batted, he played 4 innings with a highest score of 29, and 2 scores under 10. I did see some of his domestic record and it was good, but many other batsmen also have good domestic records. I don't mind giving him a go against Windies if he is supposedly a good opener but would also like Kakmal to be considered for selection on merit.
 
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The Akmals have some serious lobby in Pakistan Yar! I mean without any shadow of a doubt!

Either we have memories of Goldfish or our loyalties lie somewhere other than Pakistan.
 
Regardless of where he batted, he played 4 innings with a highest score of 29, and 2 scores under 10. I did see some of his domestic record and it was good, but many other batsmen also have good domestic records. I don't mind giving him a go against Windies if he is supposedly a good opener but would also like Kakmal to be considered for selection on merit.

its not mert if you reptedly fail to make a higher grade.

There are a lot of things in the world that you can apply a certain amount of times for, well this must be well past Kamran's 20th 'application.'

He was in great form last year, was picked, played in the position he wanted against relatively weak opposition and flopped massively.
 
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its not mert if you reptedly fail to make a higher grade.

There are a lot of things in the world that you can apply a certain amount of times for, well this must be well past Kamran's 20th 'application.'

He was in great form last year, was picked, played in the position he wanted against relatively weak opposition and flopped massively.

Shouldn't judge a player by his past, but on his most recent performances, maybe this time he gets selected he plays a major role at the top of the innings. On merit indeed, how would you feel if you scored higher than everyone in your school, yet you were rejected from a top University and other students with lower grades were selected. It's not necessary that you have failed before at University, that it means you will fail all the time. Sooner or later, if you keep at it, you're bound to improve. I'd like to see how he does right now, leave the past behind, and see if he can translate his form for Pakistan.
 
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Sooner or later, if you keep at it, you're bound to improve. .

this right here is the biggest problem in pakistan cricket

There is one thing that called patience

There is another called willful ignorance and frankly speaking stupidity

This is the attitude thats responsible for the likes of Afridi, Kamran, Sami, Farhat, Younis ( in ODIs) and so on.
 
this right here is the biggest problem in pakistan cricket

There is one thing that called patience

There is another called willful ignorance and frankly speaking stupidity

This is the attitude thats responsible for the likes of Afridi, Kamran, Sami, Farhat, Younis ( in ODIs) and so on.

You can only hide him behind stumps.... but doing so you cut the the bowlers international career... he cannot score enough runs for the mistakes he makes behind the stumps.
 
People have short memories - if I was a Pakistani fan I wouldn’t want Kakmal anywhere near the side after that Sydney test. Just dig out the leaked transcript of the PCB inquiry post that tour and read what the likes of Aaqib Javed had to say about Akmal’s missed chances.
 
Shouldn't judge a player by his past, but on his most recent performances, maybe this time he gets selected he plays a major role at the top of the innings. On merit indeed, how would you feel if you scored higher than everyone in your school, yet you were rejected from a top University and other students with lower grades were selected. It's not necessary that you have failed before at University, that it means you will fail all the time. Sooner or later, if you keep at it, you're bound to improve. I'd like to see how he does right now, leave the past behind, and see if he can translate his form for Pakistan.


A 38 year old who has failed again and again will now suddenly improve when he's in all honesty almost 40 (and he probably is 40 in his real age).

Astounding. Its like you people are trolling or are really that naive. If I had failed that much in University I would be ashamed to go again. He's not an anomaly. Plenty of players, eg Ramprakesh, Hicks etc were master of domestic but failed at the top level. Its pretty amusing, I spent three full pages arguing about Akmal with his ardent fans before the last WI tour who were convinced he had finally improved. We all know how that tour went.

Its like our nation is addicted to failures.
 
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this right here is the biggest problem in pakistan cricket

There is one thing that called patience

There is another called willful ignorance and frankly speaking stupidity

This is the attitude thats responsible for the likes of Afridi, Kamran, Sami, Farhat, Younis ( in ODIs) and so on.

We'll agree to disagree. If you like to judge cricketers based on their mistakes in their past, and not merit then that's your choice. I guess you'd also like to be defined by your past mistakes for the rest of your life.
 
A 38 year old who has failed again and again will now suddenly improve when he's in all honesty almost 40 (and he probably is 40 in his real age).

Astounding. Its like you people are trolling or are really that naive. If I had failed that much in University I would be ashamed to go again. He's not an anomaly. Plenty of players, eg Ramprakesh, Hicks etc were master of domestic but failed at the top level. Its pretty amusing, I spent three full pages arguing about Akmal with his ardent fans before the last WI tour who were convinced he had finally improved. We all know how that tour went.

Its like our nation is addicted to failures.

Agree to disagree. You can refer to my above post too.
 
We'll agree to disagree. If you like to judge cricketers based on their mistakes in their past, and not merit then that's your choice. I guess you'd also like to be defined by your past mistakes for the rest of your life.

past mistakes is a good indicator of ability at the top level. Akmal has a large sample size too. Care to disagree on the points below?

Not good enough at international level.
Loses matches single handedly for the team behind stumps.
Age 38 and fat.
 
I can't stand any of the Akmal brothers, especially Kamran and Umar.

However, that said, the top performers of the PSL should be rewarded, no matter who they are. Otherwise what is the point of these domestic tournaments. The top pakistani bowlers and batsmen of these tournaments deserve a shot at the international t20 team, they have earned it based on their performances. Not picking him also sends wrong message to rest of the players that even if they do well, there is no guarantee of selection.

I wish someone else had top scored and not an Akmal, but his performance speaks for itself. He should be selected.

It also speaks volumes about the batting "talent" in our country that Kamran keeps winning this prize. But can't fault him for being the best of a mediocre bunch
 
past mistakes is a good indicator of ability at the top level. Akmal has a large sample size too. Care to disagree on the points below?

Not good enough at international level.
Loses matches single handedly for the team behind stumps.
Age 38 and fat.

According to Cricinfo he's 36, and isn't Sarfraz fat too.

These are my points:
1. Outscored every Pakistani and International batsmen in the PSL.
2. Performed in high pressure knockout situation- Last 4 games, a score of 100+, and 2 scores of 70+.
3. Like Fakhar Zaman, another x factor player, can win the game himself.
4. We don't have a settled opener alongside Fakhar, so pick the best performing opener.
 
Playing for the national team does brings different feelings... for every chance that you get that is :kakmal
 
According to Cricinfo he's 36, and isn't Sarfraz fat too.

These are my points:
1. Outscored every Pakistani and International batsmen in the PSL.
2. Performed in high pressure knockout situation- Last 4 games, a score of 100+, and 2 scores of 70+.
3. Like Fakhar Zaman, another x factor player, can win the game himself.
4. We don't have a settled opener alongside Fakhar, so pick the best performing opener.

1. Doesn't mean much, he did that last year as well and *shock horror* he failed in the tour after that.As I said, he is not an anomaly, some players are meant to be failures
2. In domestics, which again doesn't mean much since he fails to replicate that in the NT and see point 1
3. His dizzying average of 26, an average only 2 runs better than Afridi's, won't win many games, if any games at all. He has played 157, yes you read it correct, 157 games and you'r expecting him to improve when he's 36 when he did not improve the entire last 15 years.
4. We don't have a settled opener because we keep bringing in TTFs, even if we do bring this guy he will be too old to play in a year. He is no Misbah.

As I said, you're either trolling or naive as you appear like a clever guy so I am unsure as to why you're touting his horn.
 
1. Doesn't mean much, he did that last year as well and *shock horror* he failed in the tour after that.As I said, he is not an anomaly, some players are meant to be failures
2. In domestics, which again doesn't mean much since he fails to replicate that in the NT and see point 1
3. His dizzying average of 26, an average only 2 runs better than Afridi's, won't win many games, if any games at all. He has played 157, yes you read it correct, 157 games and you'r expecting him to improve when he's 36 when he did not improve the entire last 15 years.
4. We don't have a settled opener because we keep bringing in TTFs, even if we do bring this guy he will be too old to play in a year. He is no Misbah.

As I said, you're either trolling or naive as you appear like a clever guy so I am unsure as to why you're touting his horn.

1. He's the highest scoring opener in 2 consecutive PSLs, so shouldn't rule him out based on a poor tour. I would see if there's anything he can offer against Windies this time, it's low risk and hopefully high reward.
2. It does mean a fair bit, as players should be selected based on how they perform domestically.
3. We don't have the match winning batsmen in our team other than Fakhar who are able to score heavily and fast, will struggle to set big scores and chase big ones. Need someone who is capable of doing such a thing, so on merit you should pick the best performing opener.
4. I believe he could play atleast till the T20 world cup in 2020, and maybe one year after that.

My case is simple in that players should be selected on merit, whether that's Kamran or anybody else. People are happy to rule someone out such as UAkmal based on his string of poor performances in the PSL, yet for the best performance in the PSL, they rule it out because it's PSL. That's a double standard.

We have an openers slot available alongside Fakhar, and the explosiveness of Kamran could be ideal. We are heavily reliant on Fakhar to score big for us to get a good score. We need someone else who can do the same or come close to Fakhar.
 
1. He's the highest scoring opener in 2 consecutive PSLs, so shouldn't rule him out based on a poor tour. I would see if there's anything he can offer against Windies this time, it's low risk and hopefully high reward.
2. It does mean a fair bit, as players should be selected based on how they perform domestically.
3. We don't have the match winning batsmen in our team other than Fakhar who are able to score heavily and fast, will struggle to set big scores and chase big ones. Need someone who is capable of doing such a thing, so on merit you should pick the best performing opener.
4. I believe he could play atleast till the T20 world cup in 2020, and maybe one year after that.

My case is simple in that players should be selected on merit, whether that's Kamran or anybody else. People are happy to rule someone out such as UAkmal based on his string of poor performances in the PSL, yet for the best performance in the PSL, they rule it out because it's PSL. That's a double standard.

We have an openers slot available alongside Fakhar, and the explosiveness of Kamran could be ideal. We are heavily reliant on Fakhar to score big for us to get a good score. We need someone else who can do the same or come close to Fakhar.

Players should be selected on merit but only to the point if they show improvement. But when they get to 36, with almost 160 games under their belt and are still terrible (as evident by their average) then its insanity choosing the same failures again and again and destabilsing a team.

As I said, he is not the only one. Ramprakash, Hicks from England are another example.

I would try Farhan, if he fires we get a career out of him. If he doesn't fire how much more worse can he do than the 26 average of Akmal.
 
1. He's the highest scoring opener in 2 consecutive PSLs, so shouldn't rule him out based on a poor tour. I would see if there's anything he can offer against Windies this time, it's low risk and hopefully high reward.
2. It does mean a fair bit, as players should be selected based on how they perform domestically.
3. We don't have the match winning batsmen in our team other than Fakhar who are able to score heavily and fast, will struggle to set big scores and chase big ones. Need someone who is capable of doing such a thing, so on merit you should pick the best performing opener.
4. I believe he could play atleast till the T20 world cup in 2020, and maybe one year after that.

My case is simple in that players should be selected on merit, whether that's Kamran or anybody else. People are happy to rule someone out such as UAkmal based on his string of poor performances in the PSL, yet for the best performance in the PSL, they rule it out because it's PSL. That's a double standard.

We have an openers slot available alongside Fakhar, and the explosiveness of Kamran could be ideal. We are heavily reliant on Fakhar to score big for us to get a good score. We need someone else who can do the same or come close to Fakhar.

And in addition to my reply, as I said I had this debate with this biggest fans on PP the last time as well (took 3 full pages). Its the same nonsense debate over and over again.
 
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I have mixed feelings about K.Akmal he has impressed a lot of late not only in PSL but consistent run of form in the domestic circuit, if he can continue to open the innings as he is for PAK then that would be welcome. However that would then be returning to the old culture which PAK cricket has slightly overturned regards to carrying passengers in the field or having someone in the playing eleven who can only do one thing well, so for me a lot depends on his fitness and if he can shed a few extra pounds as he still has a slight belly.
 
Pakistanis love to flip flop so much that it is nauseating. Few good innings from Kamran and they've all forgotten the horrors of the last decade where Kami bhai has easily dropped over 45 catches, missed numerous opportunities to score runs, and lost us countless games due to his brain fade or other activities.

His time and chances are done....he scored in the last PSL and was awarded a spot in the national team...not only did he fail to score against a depleted WI side he dropped numerous catches. Kamran is not the way forward. End of.
 
And in addition to my reply, as I said I had this debate with this biggest fans on PP the last time as well (took 3 full pages). Its the same nonsense debate over and over again.

I will also say to you, will agree to disagree. No reason both Farhan and Kamran can't play with Kamran coming in at 3. Last T20 series v NZ, we had the likes of shehzad and umar amin playing in the same team.
 
I will also say to you, will agree to disagree. No reason both Farhan and Kamran can't play with Kamran coming in at 3. Last T20 series v NZ, we had the likes of shehzad and umar amin playing in the same team.

Shehzad not only has a higher average than Akmal in T20s, but a higher strike rate as well. I mean how poor do you have to be worse than Shehzad. :))
 
Shehzad not only has a higher average than Akmal in T20s, but a higher strike rate as well. I mean how poor do you have to be worse than Shehzad. :))

Shehzad in his 9 innings played in the PSL did not score a 50 once. He's not going to win you games. But, like I said agree to disagree.
 
Shehzad in his 9 innings played in the PSL did not score a 50 once. He's not going to win you games. But, like I said agree to disagree.

So according to you a player's domestic stats are more important than international stats?

You are the one who brought Shezad in this talk, he is a bad failure as well, but his numbers show he has performed way better than Akmal in the NT. Where, you know, it matters. And the amount of times Akmal will you in games can be counted on your right hand.
 
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Akmal is a proven failure at the international level.And not just over a couple of series but nearly 270 international games.He had an amazing domestic season and PSL year as well,but when given a chance in the relatively easier series in the Windies,he flopped.

Not to mention,he can't keep and is a liability in the field as well.
 
We'll agree to disagree. If you like to judge cricketers based on their mistakes in their past, and not merit then that's your choice. I guess you'd also like to be defined by your past mistakes for the rest of your life.


bhai if patients die under a doctor there is generally an explanation. However, if a doctor is losing a patient every week for 15 years, then he wont have a career in any place that is merit based. Similarly for any other serious profression.

The mistakes are the 'norm,' not the exception, I honestly don't know how they can be explained. You act as if Kamran has a good record and has only been crap past few years. He averages 26 in odis and 21 in t20s, so please dont give me nonse about merit.

In any other top cricketing nations he career would have been over years ago


This is all de ja vu, we are collectively an idiot fanbase , why blame selectors when we make the same mistakes?

In the past few years we have sat here discussing the same crap with younis (odis), Kamran, Afridi, Farhat, Sohail Tanvir and so on .

All were true to form and stayed crap

Clearly we haven't learnt
 
Pakistanis love to flip flop so much that it is nauseating. Few good innings from Kamran and they've all forgotten the horrors of the last decade where Kami bhai has easily dropped over 45 catches, missed numerous opportunities to score runs, and lost us countless games due to his brain fade or other activities.

His time and chances are done....he scored in the last PSL and was awarded a spot in the national team...not only did he fail to score against a depleted WI side he dropped numerous catches. Kamran is not the way forward. End of.

Bro, we calculated and Kamran has dropped 97 (YES READS NINETY SEVEN) catches since 2006 to present - That's essentially counting from 4 years into his international career!

The guy is dross of the highest order and has a strong lobby as evident from above.
 
The mistakes are the 'norm,' not the exception, I honestly don't know how they can be explained. You act as if Kamran has a good record and has only been crap past few years. He averages 26 in odis and 21 in t20s, so please dont give me nonse about merit.

Kamran's been poor for his entire career. Though I do agree with shokz, people can change. He was mediocre in domestic for most of his life too, but he made a change and is excelling for the last few years.

If he's not selected I understand the reasons for his non selection. It's just as I said, few other options, red hot form, performing in all formats of domestic cricket, it's a lot to ignore. Anyone else and we probably wouldn't have thought twice about picking him.

I put it down to the fact it was probably because he was persisted with in internationals for a long time despite failings and even when he was dropped only for a series or two. He never put the effort or really worked on improving as a result. His fault really though. Also perhaps the fact he was also a wicketkeeper, greater focus on his batting may have helped him (though boggles my mind if he worked so hard as a wicketkeeper, why his wicketkeeping skills consistently were awful).

One thing kamran does have is that he generally did look decent at the crease even at international level. He didn't look awful like Farhat, or pure slogging like Afridi etc. Just threw his wicket away far too easily again and again. Should have been a much easier problem to fix.
 
Is this deja vu? He had a good PSL last season, played 1-2 really good innings and everyone said stuff like "he's in red hot form" and tbh I agreed and thought he deserved another chance but he showed back at international level he was mediocre. Don't want him back.
 
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