Playing with a jet-lagged, mostly-domestic players team: Mockery of international cricket?

[Hawkeye]

Imagine if IND had invited such a side for their home series.

The outrage and outcry here would have been something to see! With claims like "they just want to improve their ranking", "Those FTBs need to inflate their stats, so they invited West Indies".

What's going on here? This West Indies team doesn't even have proper international players.

On top of that, they're jet lagged, even at the start of the 2nd match. Even though their captain during the toss said they're slightly better, just to appease the camera/Rameez.

But...

How can you call this international cricket, and even celebrate like minnows, as if you're beating a top side?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

beggars can't be choosers, the return of International cricket to Pakistan win be incremental and slow.

Its far from ideal but at least its a great way to ease young players into the team.

 

[Hawkeye]

beggars can't be choosers, the return of International cricket to Pakistan win be incremental and slow.

Its far from ideal but at least its a great way to ease young players into the team.

Sure. But why celebrate and act like you've beaten a full strength Australia?

 

[rhony]

Win is a win. Team can be mocked if they struggle against a minnow team. They beat them by 140 runs. Every run and wicket is valuable as it's international cricket. They can only play the 11 that's before them. Series is for PCB to check the box that international cricket is in Pakistan. They did that. Now it's up to the marketing and PR teams to take advantage of it.

 

[babajee]

Sure. But why celebrate and act like you've beaten a full strength Australia?

Who’s celebrating?

 

[IAJ]

^pga has given a good serious reply so I can joke a bit, why not take advantge of this and improve the strike rates and other stats lols?

 

[Hawkeye]

Who’s celebrating?

Look at the threads here and the boasting on TV channels.

The comments in the 'establishing our dominance'...thread.

 

[Sirris]

Some people just like to whine. We all know the circumstances. We are desperate for international cricket to return back home. Trust is gained by small steps, it is not like a switch which you just turn on and off. No major team would even consider touring pak without such baby steps as these series.

 

[Red Devil]

A step in the right direction should be appreciated. Weak squad or no squad, we're hosting an international cricket team.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Look at the threads here and the boasting on TV channels.

The comments in the 'establishing our dominance'...thread.

what fans arent over the top in victory or defeat?

There is no need to have an over the top reaction to them .

You honestly think Micky or Sarfraz dont know this is a cakewalk? Maybe when we had theives like Mohsin Khan running the team, we had the right to be worried. Now we have a largley professional setup who have earnt some trust.

Plus we aint trying out TTFS like Riaz or Kamran as we often do when we play minnows

 

[Bhaijaan]

What i saw yesterday has disappointed me. The return of cricket to Pakistan should not be at the expense of denying the spectators a proper fight. It was a mockery of cricket as my brother Hawkeye has rightly pointed out. Pakistan would have been much better off inviting a team that was serious about this series be it Afghanistan, Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

What i saw yesterday has disappointed me. The return of cricket to Pakistan should not be at the expense of denying the spectators a proper fight. It was a mockery of cricket as my brother Hawkeye has rightly pointed out. Pakistan would have been much better off inviting a team that was serious about this series be it Afghanistan, Bangladesh or even Sri Lanka.

While i agree with this, it is far easier than done.

Sri Lanka came with a weakend team, while they would be better than WI it still wouldnt be much better, and i can fully understand why they would be hesitant.

BCB and PCB relations are probably worse than the relations with BCCI

Afghanistan is the team that should have been invited, but i suspect the PCB feels betrayed by them

 

[Plumb]

Sure. But why celebrate and act like you've beaten a full strength Australia?

So what should the fans do? complain? cry?

 

[Sirris]

A step in the right direction should be appreciated. Weak squad or no squad, we're hosting an international cricket team.

Even if the standard of cricket being played is nothing. At least the Karachi stadium finally got a well needed renovation, how else would you expect international cricket to return.

 

[shokz1408]

Look at the West Indies side, It's barely an international match.

 

[Syed1]

We can only beat the side that is infront of us. The WIs even lost to Afghanistan, is that also our fault? This Pak side would beat most sides. Keep in mind we beat NZ in NZ just last series.

 

[Sherlock]

Talk about overreacting to something that you've imagined, or made up and then making a thread about overreacting...

 

[Hawkeye]

A step in the right direction should be appreciated. Weak squad or no squad, we're hosting an international cricket team.

Right...but having them play an intl match just hours after a super long plane journey, with them jet lagged even after a day?

 

[troodon]

This WI had no business playing international cricket.

However, for PCB, this series is not about beating a quality team. Its about bringing international cricket to Pakistan. It takes small baby steps before you start to run again.

 

[Red Devil]

Right...but having them play an intl match just hours after a super long plane journey, with them jet lagged even after a day?

That's WICB's fault, they couldn't even assemble a team on time.

 

[Titan24]

Whatever it is it’s international cricket get over it.

 

[Titan24]

This WI had no business playing international cricket.

However, for PCB, this series is not about beating a quality team. Its about bringing international cricket to Pakistan. It takes small baby steps before you start to run again.

Exactly

 

[Titan24]

I doubt even full strength WI team would have done any better. We all saw what happened in UAE and in WI

 

[sohailmm]

They barelly qualified for the worldcup in the qualifiers , Windes are a fading Team in cricket. Seems they are going to perish in near future.

 

[Executioner]

I'd like to overreact to a thread where OP is overreacting to people's overreaction.

I think the only thing being done here is to show that Pakistan is safe and WI national side are basically guinea pigs here to convince big players to travel to Pakistan in the future.

However, PSL in Pak was a bigger hit because some international stars actually made it to Pakistan.

 

[asadee]

Negativity ko leke kahin aur jao mere bhai

 

[bujhee kom]

1. Pk are good at T20s.
2. WI arent so good, esp this B side. Play superb tournament T20 mind you.
3. These steps are necessary.
4. This tour is an act of friendship.

 

[Savak]

Peal need to take chill pills. This is a stepping tour to bringing international cricket to Pakistan. Win/Loss is irrelevant

 

[Hawkeye]

I'd like to overreact to a thread where OP is overreacting to people's overreaction.

I think the only thing being done here is to show that Pakistan is safe and WI national side are basically guinea pigs here to convince big players to travel to Pakistan in the future.

However, PSL in Pak was a bigger hit because some international stars actually made it to Pakistan.

The aim is to convince proper international teams to send their players here.

Playing with this kind of 2nd grade team of current minnows will not convince anyone or help this cause. Add to the fact, even the crowds haven't filled the stadium, which reflects poorly.

You're right - PSL had much more better stars and players of good stature.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Their fielding suggests that

 

[srh]

This WI had no business playing international cricket.

However, for PCB, this series is not about beating a quality team. Its about bringing international cricket to Pakistan. It takes small baby steps before you start to run again.

fully agree with the bolded part; this series is looking like a mockery of cricket

 

[barah_admi]

Imagine if IND had invited such a side for their home series.

The outrage and outcry here would have been something to see! With claims like "they just want to improve their ranking", "Those FTBs need to inflate their stats, so they invited West Indies".

What's going on here? This West Indies team doesn't even have proper international players.

On top of that, they're jet lagged, even at the start of the 2nd match. Even though their captain during the toss said they're slightly better, just to appease the camera/Rameez.

But...

How can you call this international cricket, and even celebrate like minnows, as if you're beating a top side?

Name me a West indies squad that has played in the last 12 months which has none of these players?

 

[Mirpur express]

I wouldn’t care less if the were windies B team hell they can be Jamaica u19 .. they visit Pakistan.. thank you & welcome .. poster be positive

 

[Send1983]

Good this thread was opened by a pak fan. I wanted to write the same, obviously I would have been called troll, sour grapes, jealous, etc.,

 

[Varun]

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While i agree with this, it is far easier than done.

Sri Lanka came with a weakend team, while they would be better than WI it still wouldnt be much better, and i can fully understand why they would be hesitant.

BCB and PCB relations are probably worse than the relations with BCCI

Afghanistan is the team that should have been invited, but i suspect the PCB feels betrayed by them

Why so? Surely the PCB didn't anticipate Afghanistan wanting to play all their home games in Pakistan / UAE?

 

[bujhee kom]

Name me a West indies squad that has played in the last 12 months which has none of these players?

Only a few T20 first picks are absent. Some are not selected for WI as is. These guys are generally WI regulars if not 1st pick for all of them.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Why so? Surely the PCB didn't anticipate Afghanistan wanting to play all their home games in Pakistan / UAE?

I think it more had to with comments made by the ACB chairmen

Both boards have been engaging in embarrassing jingoism

 

[barah_admi]

Imagine if IND had invited such a side for their home series.

The outrage and outcry here would have been something to see! With claims like "they just want to improve their ranking", "Those FTBs need to inflate their stats, so they invited West Indies".

What's going on here? This West Indies team doesn't even have proper international players.

On top of that, they're jet lagged, even at the start of the 2nd match. Even though their captain during the toss said they're slightly better, just to appease the camera/Rameez.

But...

How can you call this international cricket, and even celebrate like minnows, as if you're beating a top side?

So, 4 of the current squad played in the WC qualifiers, 6 of the current squad played in the XI against NZ. So considering Gayle has been in and out of the side and out of form (woefully so) isn't a big miss, we know a couple of guys are injured. The remainder are plays that some times play, are sometimes dropped and the team is going through changes anyway.

So, as you try and make out that none of the top players did not want to play in Pak, we know 60% of their starting XI is here, we also know only one of them had issues with travelling to Pak.

So how about you stop being ignorant, because believe it or not, there are people on here who know about cricket and won't just stay quiet.

 

[barah_admi]

Only a few T20 first picks are absent. Some are not selected for WI as is. These guys are generally WI regulars if not 1st pick for all of them.

yes I know, I was just trying to highlight the OPs stupidity

 

[bujhee kom]

yes I know, I was just trying to highlight the OPs stupidity

I am Bengali and seem more hopeful about Pk hosting than some here.

 

[MenInG]

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[Poutine]

Name me a West indies squad that has played in the last 12 months which has none of these players?

Exactly most of these players have been regular in WI LOI squads so am not sure why [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] and some other poster are trying to propagate the myth that this is a domestic team.

Barring a few players, this is pretty much a usual WI T20I team

 

[troodon]

WI team is not jet lagged. They are talent Lagged

 

[Poutine]

I am Bengali and seem more hopeful about Pk hosting than some here.

Do you think there is a chance of BD touring soon ? The likes of Tamim, Shakib and Sabbir were here for PSL, so don't think the players will have an issue.

 

[Syed1]

I don't know what OP is talking about....our neighbors were celebrating like no tomorrow after beating minnows BD in a tight finish and here we are beating world champs and some have a problem. Fun fact 7-8 of the players are regulars for WI.

They're being woeful is not Pakistan's fault

 

[bujhee kom]

Do you think there is a chance of BD touring soon ? The likes of Tamim, Shakib and Sabbir were here for PSL, so don't think the players will have an issue.

Personally I hope they do but it will probably be some time.

 

[MenInG]

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[MRSN]

WI team is not jet lagged. They are talent Lagged

Good one sir ji hahahaha. But seriously a thread in bad taste and factually wrong. Most players are regular WI players and Gayle is exception. But the main goal of this series is to show the world Pakistan is a safe for cricket. As long as objective is achieved it does not matter if it's one sided game or not. Hopefully next time PCB won't have to beg that hard for inviting another team.

 

[Send1983]

Lol at folks calling this Windies team as champion team.

 

[troodon]

Good one sir ji hahahaha. But seriously a thread in bad taste and factually wrong. Most players are regular WI players and Gayle is exception. But the main goal of this series is to show the world Pakistan is a safe for cricket. As long as objective is achieved it does not matter if it's one sided game or not. Hopefully next time PCB won't have to beg that hard for inviting another team.

When people think of WI T20 players, they think of Gayle, Pollard, Narine, Brathwaite, Evin Lewis, Johnson Charles, Andre Russel, Lendl Simmons etc. These players are worldclass and T20 stars. If WI played these players, they can beat Pak even on their own home ground.

It is unfortunate that none of the above play for WI international team. Most are T20 mercenaries.

 

[MenInG]

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[Arham_PakFan]

Lol at folks calling this Windies team as champion team.

So which team was the World Champions?The one we beat 3-0 in the UAE or the one we beat 3-1 in the Carribean?

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan is amazing in bashing club level players. Have to give credit where it's due.

fielding the whole regular team means Pakistan takes all matches seriously.

Cheers for that.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Pakistan is amazing in bashing club level players. Have to give credit where it's due.

fielding the whole regular team means Pakistan takes all matches seriously.

Cheers for that.

Bashing club level players like England in england and NZ in NZ

Team was full strength for the fans to see

 

[Itachi]

Good one sir ji hahahaha. But seriously a thread in bad taste and factually wrong. Most players are regular WI players and Gayle is exception. But the main goal of this series is to show the world Pakistan is a safe for cricket. As long as objective is achieved it does not matter if it's one sided game or not. Hopefully next time PCB won't have to beg that hard for inviting another team.

With all banters aside, I don't think this tour shows Pakistan could host cricket.

If the tour was a "normal" one, you would have had a case. But this is far from a normal tour. 96 hours. That's it.

Reason being? Security.

It means administration still have no full faith in what may go wrong. That doesn't paint a good picture.

 

[Sherlock]

Pakistan is amazing in bashing club level players. Have to give credit where it's due.

fielding the whole regular team means Pakistan takes all matches seriously.

Cheers for that.

Why so serious? It's hardly a big game. The occasion is bigger than which players came, and which players didn't.

 

[troodon]

So which team was the World Champions?The one we beat 3-0 in the UAE or the one we beat 3-1 in the Carribean?

This is the main team that WI played and won world T20.
Darren Sammy
Chris Gayle
Dwayne Bravo
Keiron Pollard
Johnson Charles
Evin Lewis
Ansley Nurse
Lendl Simmons
Jerome Taylor
Suleiman Benn
Sunil Narine
Andre Fletcher

Now the above is a power packed T20 team. A lot of potential match winners there. Compare the above team to the one that WI has sent.

 

[Itachi]

Bashing club level players like England in england and NZ in NZ

Team was full strength for the fans to see

That's great!

But my conclusion was derived from simple observation.

Is this WI team filled with what could be called best as club level players? Answer is yes.

Is Pakistan bashing them? Answer is yes.

I don't see anything wrong with the post that I made earlier based upon above two facts.

 

[MRSN]

When people think of WI T20 players, they think of Gayle, Pollard, Narine, Brathwaite, Evin Lewis, Johnson Charles, Andre Russel, Lendl Simmons etc. These players are worldclass and T20 stars. If WI played these players, they can beat Pak even on their own home ground.

It is unfortunate that none of the above play for WI international team. Most are T20 mercenaries.

Yes. That's what I was thinking. I mean those players you mentioned were not even playing the qualifiers for their team and were busy in PSL so yeah some people seem outdated. Gayle and Holder missed the tour could be due to rest, security concerns or IPL no one knows but this team is mostly the future of WI and it's sad that their young talent is not promising.

 

[Itachi]

Why so serious? It's hardly a big game. The occasion is bigger than which players came, and which players didn't.

It was just some banter.

But with all seriousness, I still wonder the message that this tour wants to put across, may come as more negative ones if looked from a different perspective.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

This is the main team that WI played and won world T20.
Darren Sammy
Chris Gayle
Dwayne Bravo
Keiron Pollard
Johnson Charles
Evin Lewis
Ansley Nurse
Lendl Simmons
Jerome Taylor
Suleiman Benn
Sunil Narine
Andre Fletcher

Now the above is a power packed T20 team. A lot of potential match winners there. Compare the above team to the one that WI has sent.

I agree.This WI side is definitely a lot inferior to the one in Karachi rn.My comment was that Pakistan also beat much more stronger teams in the UAE and WI.

Apart from Gayle(who has a poor record against PAK anyway)Bravo(who hasnt played since 2016) and Sammy(since the WC final) Pakistan beat the same team.

Also Evin Lewis debuted after the WC I think.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

That's great!

But my conclusion was derived from simple observation.

Is this WI team filled with what could be called best as club level players? Answer is yes.

Is Pakistan bashing them? Answer is yes.

I don't see anything wrong with the post that I made earlier based upon above two facts.

Yes.Most of these guys are definitely poor.

 

[MRSN]

With all banters aside, I don't think this tour shows Pakistan could host cricket.

If the tour was a "normal" one, you would have had a case. But this is far from a normal tour. 96 hours. That's it.

Reason being? Security.

It means administration still have no full faith in what may go wrong. That doesn't paint a good picture.

For your kind information Walton and Fletcher never left Pakistan if I am not wrong ever since they came for PSL eliminators. Also PSL witnessed many international stars and it was a week long in Pakistan yet everything went fine and players seem happy. Pakistan is painted like it's some warzone lile Syria which is not. Yes security is not perfect but Pakistan has moved and progressed security wise it's not 2009 anymore.

 

[troodon]

I agree.This WI side is definitely a lot inferior to the one in Karachi rn.My comment was that Pakistan also beat much more stronger teams in the UAE and WI.

Apart from Gayle(who has a poor record against PAK anyway)Bravo(who hasnt played since 2016) and Sammy(since the WC final) Pakistan beat the same team.

Also Evin Lewis debuted after the WC I think.

Issue is, WI won the T20 world cup with a completely different T20 side to the sorry bunch that have traveled to Pakistan.

WI are current world champions. But that has become a joke now. None of those players are playin in this team except for Samuels and Badree who are washed up it looks like.

Not Pakistan's problem that WI do not select their gun players for international tours.

 

[Sherlock]

It was just some banter.

But with all seriousness, I still wonder the message that this tour wants to put across, may come as more negative ones if looked from a different perspective.

There's no negativity to be seen from this tour as of yet. And hopefully it continues that way too.

 

[sjahmed23]

I can't even imagine flying from US to Pak and being asked to play cricket for 3 days straight. What the hell man. Why must we make a joke of everything, why can't PCB think sensibly

 

[lonex]

Did you not see crowd enthusiasm? Do you not hear loud cheers? At the end of the day, purpose of cricket is to entertain people, and I think it did. We need this so badly, to keep our sanity because of so much going around us. I for one is very happy and thankful to WI team and board to send players to bring smiles to one of the most passionate and crazy about cricket nation.

You want to complain go ahead and continue this rant.

 

[barah_admi]

This is the main team that WI played and won world T20.
Darren Sammy
Chris Gayle
Dwayne Bravo
Keiron Pollard
Johnson Charles
Evin Lewis
Ansley Nurse
Lendl Simmons
Jerome Taylor
Suleiman Benn
Sunil Narine
Andre Fletcher

Now the above is a power packed T20 team. A lot of potential match winners there. Compare the above team to the one that WI has sent.

Sammy no longer plays internationals, Gayle was dropped for quite some time and is in terrible form, Taylor is in and out of the picture and has been for 10+ years, Benn isn't in the picture now, Dwayne Bravo no longer plays internationals as he openly stated multiple times.

So the best you could do was name a 2+ year old team.

Great work my man.

 

[Sadevdesai]

This win is not worth rejoicing over it !!! You beat up a C— Team ..... just to Thump the chest .... sickening !!!!

 

[light]

Well atleast its a baby step for PAK cricket. But honestly speaking, most of these guys even showed up is because of that apprently 25K paid per person. Or else they too would not have showed up. So just take it as a positive and enjoy the thrashing PAK is giving this no name WI team.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

Nobody is chest-thumping here. We're not India/Australia/England or whoever who have the choicest of tours take place everyday.

We're Pakistan. A country that hasn't seen International cricket after that fateful day in 2009. We've suffered immensely after that, as a nation and a proud cricketing one to boot. Our cricketing facilities have suffered and so have our people. We've lost something that was always part of us.

This is a small step towards getting that back. I don't see how you can criticize this. It's something to be proud of seeing how resilient our nation and it's peoples are. So stop looking at the players coming in and start realizing what this is part of. It's part of bringing cricket home.

 

[babajee]

Nobody is chest-thumping here. We're not India/Australia/England or whoever who have the choicest of tours take place everyday.

We're Pakistan. A country that hasn't seen International cricket after that fateful day in 2009. We've suffered immensely after that, as a nation and a proud cricketing one to boot. Our cricketing facilities have suffered and so have our people. We've lost something that was always part of us.

This is a small step towards getting that back. I don't see how you can criticize this. It's something to be proud of seeing how resilient our nation and it's peoples are. So stop looking at the players coming in and start realizing what this is part of. It's part of bringing cricket home.

Great post... best debutant poster of 2018

 

[Artaxerxes]

Big teams don't want to come to Pakistan due to security issues.The purpose of this series was to show to the world that security situation in Pakistan is improving and international matches can be played.There is no denying, WI teams was not full strength but PCB can not force other boards to select their national teams.

 

[UP]

This drubbing just tells the state of cricket in WI. It has really fallen to the lowest level since whenever their decline started. Cricket needs a strong WI team. Its such a shame that once the dominant WI of 70’s and 80’s getting thrashed like this.