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Poor standard of pitches for Pakistan Super League

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I don't care if stadiums are half empty but at least PCB can make sure pitches are good enough for T20 style matches. We were told shifting from Dubai to Sharjah will produce high scoring matches but even Sharjah pitch looks very bad for T20 standards. Sethi Sahib needs to fire whoever is responsible for making sure we get good pitches for this league.
 
Last year the pitches in Sharjah were super flat which contributed to big scores and also very close and exciting matches. So the quality of the tournament went up significantly after matches shifted to Sharjah

However this time it doesn't seem to be the case. Though it's just first match so maybe it's the players more than the pitch
 
Outfield is very sluggish in Sharjah as we have just seen with Rumman Raees' injury.
 
Outfield is very sluggish in Sharjah as we have just seen with Rumman Raees' injury.

PCB is spending so much money on this tournament , are they so clueless that they didn't check out these things before the start of the tournament?
 
Everyone in PCB was busying getting VVVVVIP Tickets for their families and friends....
 
Looked at the score.. this is Sharjah for heaven's sake.. it is a tiny ground like Bangalore.. i think even smaller than Bangalore.. batsman should be able to squat some sixers easly. i think the problem is the quality of batsmanship than the pitch. I am sure all the foreigner batsman will do well here
 
This year all the matches have been one sided. That's killing the competition. Last year the scores were smiliar, but nearly all the matches were close thrillers.
 
Why not flat flat batting friendly pitches ??:( some big totals of 200s and crowd ll come.

Also why do we think that grounds 'll be full. Most people in UAE are there to earn money why would they spend money on the game rather than working and making money for their families... just my thought
 
The total was chased with 3 overs to spare (and after being 48/3) that shows ISU batted poorly and it was actually 160-180 pitch (at least). Not to forget Nawaz was batting in 1st gear to help build a partnership with KP.
 
PSL in Dubai/Sharjah is detrimental to our future players and their abilities. Please get out of this hellhole.
 
I don't think you can blame the pitches .

Sharjah was always a batting paradise and some memorable games involving Pakistan.

Also In UAE in Abu Dhabi you had that innings by razzaq brutal power hitting I know we haven't had any games at abu Dhabi.

It's simple there is no batting talent coming through and the power hitting or pinch hitting ability of future Pakistan batsmen is not up to the mark .

Blame has to go on the domestic cricket, coaching at domestic and grassroots level they are not producing decent cricketers anymore
 
Pitch is OK. Ronchi scored 43 off 26 and then Asif, Duminy and Misbah came and killed all the momentum with their tuk tuking. Hussan and Faheem (scored 21) only got to face 13 balls. The fact that Quetta chased the target with 3 overs to spare also shows how good the pitch was for batting.
 
Pitch was “definitely NOT ok” - on a similar size ground recently Kiwis posted 245 & Aussies chased that in 18 overs!!!!! Having said that, indeed the batting quality is depressing, but that’s probably not unknown by now, and that’s not a quick fix either.

What is quick solution is to shame Misbah, Jones & WY enough so that even their thickest skin cracks - why on earth after such a good start with having 3 exciting young hitters and most importantly performing hitter like Talat, Fahim & Shadab should be forced down to 6, 7 & 8 in a 20 over game!!!!!! And, they dropped Farhan to keep a batsman at 3 with List A & FC average in early 20s!!!!

WY is either bot or imposter (probably both) to shout so much on future “totka”, then sending this batting order and Jones is trying to bring comic relief in PSL with his dress code; least said about grandpa is better - he’ll drop Raees for a 2nd spinner to keep Sami in XI if it was at his hand.

Media should run crazy enough so that by next game either Misbah gets “injured” or slots himself at 9. I don’t want to hurt any feelings, but if it was IPL or even BPL - same IU order would have been -

Ronchi, Farhan, Walton, Talat, JP, Fahim, Shadab .... and rest

- and that’s certainly not for the lack of batting talent; rather for a batting culture that understands which player is for which format & at which position should bat. And more importantly, which age is to play cricket or prepare for next life.
 
Has Sharjah become a boring wicket?

Low scoring matches and collapses.

Barely any sixes or high scoring games at this ground
 
The other day Watson hit 5 sixes, it's just that the players are useless.
 
It's the batting quality of Pakistan domestics don't blame UAE the pitches there are pretty flat even though they may be sluggish that excuse doesn't count because the clay soil in UAE pitches is bought in from abroad including nandipur in Pakistan .

The problem is coaching at domestic grassroots level and substandard pitches in domestic when U have clowns like basit Ali at that key coaching level at the start of batsmen careers what can you expect
 
It is more to do with Quality of Batting of Pakistani Batsmen
But there is no doubt that Sharjah has deteriorated very much, when u allow even gully leagues to be played on such a ground which was a high standard pitch and among World's best, then quality will deteriorate
 
Low scoring matches and collapses.

Barely any sixes or high scoring games at this ground

It's mostly batting. Wicket is slow & low, which isn't allowing batsmen to get under the ball, but that's well compensated by the boundary size. It's not about batting technique either because it's T20, we are not talking about 91 ball 89; a 23 ball 35 is gold.

Batsmen are groomed on worse wicket back home, which has made them circumspective while batting shots - very low back lift and restricted bat swing. Besides, not a single batsmen is trying to hit through the line on off side, because they hardly get that chance back at home. few years back, Maqsood hit a six over extra cover with top hand - these days he just swings with bottom hand, so does Umar. One glaring flaw you'll see every PAK batsman goes for forward defense for everything on good length outside off (none more than Ahmed) - these days, most players throw bat at those and get away with.

Domestic wickets has to change where 400+ FC scores are common at 3.5+ RR; otherwise only coaching won't work. Besides, even today, Malik didn't send Badar at 3 - which should be indicative enough.
 
Quality of batting is lacking. Somewhere down the line Sharjah pitch is dusty and hard to hit sixes as ball comes v slow and low. Poor pitch for T20 cricket.
 
The standard of batting has been woeful but the UAE pitches don't aid fluent strokeplay.

Whenever we play in England at grounds like The Oval - our batsmen look liberated. Finally they get to play on a pitch that suits their strengths - flat but good carry and bounce and not too much pace, but enough for batsmen to get value for their shots.

I wish we could get Oval-like pitches in Pakistan or UAE. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] - as our resident pitch expert, would it be possible to recreate such conditions ?
 
The standard of batting has been woeful but the UAE pitches don't aid fluent strokeplay.

Whenever we play in England at grounds like The Oval - our batsmen look liberated. Finally they get to play on a pitch that suits their strengths - flat but good carry and bounce and not too much pace, but enough for batsmen to get value for their shots.

I wish we could get Oval-like pitches in Pakistan or UAE. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] - as our resident pitch expert, would it be possible to recreate such conditions ?

I think, it's possible, to make true wickeets, but maintenance might need much more effort. However, in UAE, it'll never be good seemers' wicket, neither a conventional swing track. If they make green tracks, it might favor the side winning toss & bowling too much. But, it should be possible to make very good batting tracks with consistent pace & true bounce, which should favor spinners later.

Normally, preparation of wicket is similar, component is also similar, but climate changes wickets for a particular venue over the years. First essential component of a wicket is the base upon which it's built. Unless it's rock solid & compact, wicket will never produce true & even bounce. Then the top surface of the wicket, which should have 5-7" thick (can't be more, then wicket will die too early, can't be less then wicket will become uneven bouncy with ball kicking from spots), layer with high % of clay. Oval is the fastest wicket in UK, with true bounce and even pace, but normally they keep very little grass on Oval track, which helps PAK batting. Besides, traditionally, Oval Test is played late in summer (late August), after the wickets are 5/6 months old and lots of cricket, hence it'll always favor Asian sides - IND's record is also very good & SRL did won a Test there. Our batsmen also put 300+ at their 1st outing on Oval.

I don't think, it's possible to replicate Oval wicket in UAE because of the difference of rain fall & average temperature in cricket season. Rather, Perth has a similar climate like UAE, but that old WACA wicket was blistering fast & quite good for batting - which can be replicated. That WACA wicket was built on rock bed with almost 90% fine clay component in top layer, compacted with deep rooted grass. That grass kept the wicket compact by holding moisture and if it's (grass) kept longer, it'll be a fast bowlers paradise - once PAK was all-out for 62 (from 25/9) against Lillee, Hogg & Lawson. But, if the grass is cut short and rolled in by heavy roller, WACA is one of the best batting surface and like Oval - PAK's ODI record is quite good at WACA actually, because it's good for stroke play (Test result is poor, because Aussies would have put visitors at WACA within few days on landing..). However, WACA wicket gets cracked by Day 4/5 because of the heat & high % of clay, which is extremely difficult to negotiate against tall, accurate pacers.

For UAE wickets, I think the base below the top surface isn't strong enough, hence wicket looses bounce too early. Once the ball gets old, it becomes tougher and lack of grass makes the ball die down - it's like a tennis clay court with ball coming with a dead slow, spongy bounce. So, first thing I guess needed is to build the base beneath - dig the squire at least by a metre, put adequate material (rock, concrete slabs...) and ram that surface hard enough so that the base settles into a rock solid platform. Then, they should use specialized soil (probably, it won't be available in UAE - desert clay is large, rough grain, doesn't hold moisture), for the top layer and plant similar grass that they use in Dubai Gold course. Here localized grass is important because otherwise imported grass might not enjoy a natural growth due to difference in climate. One issue I have seen is, UAE tracks are devoid of any grass, particularly the Sharjah & Abu Dhabi one - they probably use salt water to kill the grass from root, which hardly helps to keep the pace of the track, after the initial surface moisture evaporates within 30 minutes of start in desert heat & humidity (lack of it).

For UAE track, I think groundsmen will face bigger challenge than Perth. First, he has to water artificially much, much more than any other place in globe where cricket is played. 2nd issue is, because of extreme change in heat almost daily in desert (between day & night), probably that top surface will loose it's clay content too early and it'll require constant replenishment of top surface. Besides, UAE tracks are one of the highest used tracks in world, which demands much more care than average. May be a top class pro curator could have made it much better than what it's now, but it'll never be like UK, because of the climate.

The best solution for UAE wickets might be a bit expensive investment, but possible - drop in wickets. In that case, it's possible to prepare several ideal wickets at a shed, culture there and put it in place before game (s).
 
I think too much negativity is given about uae pitches

The head curator at Dubai pitch and ICC global academy is tony hemming and he has been producing the wickets there since Pakistan started playing he was also curator in oval Surrey and prepared wickets in mcg Australia .
His interviews on preparing wickets in UAE are on the net and they put a lot of work in it and imported various soils from around the world .

Also Sharjah has been a batting paradise in Pakistan history and Pakistan has an excellent record there .

I don't blame UAE

I blame the coaching , facilities and pitches back home in Pakistan where the players learn their game and that is where they are falling short .
Take for example salman irshad has all the raw ingredients but due to lack of technical coaching no one has ironed out any problems the coaching is the problem , and i reckon our batting coaches are completely rubbish in rectifying technical problems and preparing players who can consistently compete at intl level
 
Good post [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

I know Misbah would not be playing next season, but he's almost 44 years of age. He's done a lot for Pakistan cricket but isn't it borderline selfish on his part to be playing T20 at this age? Makes me wonder why he would continue playing?

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He really looks 45 years+ here. In my opinion there is no place for 32 years+ players in T20 unless they are absolutely brilliant at the format. Misbah is a decade older than that and was last good in T20 11 years back.
 
Pakistani fans need to realize they really don't have any other options. The UAE might suck but it is what it is..PCB is no position to host matches anywhere better. Open your damn eyes , fools.
 
Not buying the pitch excuse, certainly not a road, but it shouldn't be either, it's just been subpar batting thus far.

Get to the pitch and play orthodox run scoring shots or percentage value shots for runs, while rotating strike, it's not hard to throw up 150+ on any T20 deck, including these.

If your decision making and techniques are shoddy, masking that behind roads that don't help bowlers does our cricket no greater good.

We saw one of the best matches in T20s in recent memory as a run-a-ball affair, I'm not buying the "these decks are bad for entertainment" excuse either.
 
Good post [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

I know Misbah would not be playing next season, but he's almost 44 years of age. He's done a lot for Pakistan cricket but isn't it borderline selfish on his part to be playing T20 at this age? Makes me wonder why he would continue playing?

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He really looks 45 years+ here. In my opinion there is no place for 32 years+ players in T20 unless they are absolutely brilliant at the format. Misbah is a decade older than that and was last good in T20 11 years back.

I don't buy this selfish argument. Many players play domestic cricket well after they have retired from international cricket. If Misbah's age is an issue, then the owners of Islamabad United should not select him.

Muralitharan played T20s till he was 42. Brad Hogg just played Big Bash League at 47. Brad Hodge is still playing T20s at 43. I don't see anyone calling them selfish.
 
why do you lot believe higher scores = better cricket? Cricket is supposed to be about a competition between bat and ball, and thus far, the bowlers have been better. It has also helped produce 2 really good games.

I'd rather applaud the likes of Nawaz, Tahir, Junaid and co then moan about batsmen not being able to hit a boundary every delivery.
 
I don't buy this selfish argument. Many players play domestic cricket well after they have retired from international cricket. If Misbah's age is an issue, then the owners of Islamabad United should not select him.

Muralitharan played T20s till he was 42. Brad Hogg just played Big Bash League at 47. Brad Hodge is still playing T20s at 43. I don't see anyone calling them selfish.

Brad Hogg is 47+ and Paul Collingwood, Ryan Sidebottom and Praveen Tambe all have recently played T20 leagues despite being over 40 years of age
 
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I think pitches were deliberately laid for 120 runs average inning scores.

Pakistan viewers appreciate good contest between ball and bat unlike us Indians who prefer more Tamasha.

In PSL you get best of both worlds. Attritional cricket like tests and short match length of T20.
 
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And it continues in 2019 as well.

Extremely poor, slow, low, dead pitches for a fun T20 contest. This has been happening since the first edition and nobody gives a damn.


People mistake low scores for "woahhh what a great bowling standard!!!". But that's not true.

Nobody can score and play shots freely on these pathetic slow turners.
 
What does it take to make some decent batting wickets that can give the crowds some entertainment ?? Every other T20 league in the world seems to manage it,
 
And it continues in 2019 as well.

Extremely poor, slow, low, dead pitches for a fun T20 contest. This has been happening since the first edition and nobody gives a damn.


People mistake low scores for "woahhh what a great bowling standard!!!". But that's not true.

Nobody can score and play shots freely on these pathetic slow turners.

It's bound to happen if you play 7 games in 3 days on same wicket.

The first 3 games were excellent and high scoring.
 
It’s the incredible quality of bowling. Forget IPL, this is the highest standard of bowling in world cricket.

The likes of de Villiers etc. are simply not good enough to perform in this high quality league.
 
And it continues in 2019 as well.

Extremely poor, slow, low, dead pitches for a fun T20 contest. This has been happening since the first edition and nobody gives a damn.


People mistake low scores for "woahhh what a great bowling standard!!!". But that's not true.

Nobody can score and play shots freely on these pathetic slow turners.

The greatest league in the world.

Now watch the PSL fan-boys descend on here like white on rice to defend this farce.
 
It’s the incredible quality of bowling. Forget IPL, this is the highest standard of bowling in world cricket.

The likes of de Villiers etc. are simply not good enough to perform in this high quality league.

Well the player of Ab quality does take the pitch out of equation, so indeed the bowling quality is better than IPL overall.
 
It’s the incredible quality of bowling. Forget IPL, this is the highest standard of bowling in world cricket.

The likes of de Villiers etc. are simply not good enough to perform in this high quality league.

The pitches are surely not the best out there but today both Watson and Amin showed you can score big runs.

Im sorry but AB was just over confidence, i mean hasan ali is steaming in with a new ball in his hands and mister decides to come down the wicket and gets bowled.

How hard is it to play out hasan instead attacking him being like 3 down for nothing.

Again pitches can be better but 160 plus was possible for sure.
 
It's bound to happen if you play 7 games in 3 days on same wicket.

The first 3 games were excellent and high scoring.

3 games on first wicket

the next 4 have been on a different strip

no idea why the decided to change the strip
 
And it continues in 2019 as well.

Extremely poor, slow, low, dead pitches for a fun T20 contest. This has been happening since the first edition and nobody gives a damn.


People mistake low scores for "woahhh what a great bowling standard!!!". But that's not true.

Nobody can score and play shots freely on these pathetic slow turners.

Really?

Did you see Watson, UA and Amin today?
Wckets can be better but 160 plus can be scored and that makes for good contest.

LQ just chocked and Hasan Ali had ONE of those days..
 
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