Poor tactics of the Indian team management exposed again

[cricketjoshila]

I have been very critical of the poor tactics of the Indian team management since the SA tour last year.

Dravid was a ATG player, but seems to be a poor tactician. No wonder he had to leave captaincy of the Indian team.

The batting coach Vikram Rathore is well, a quota selection. He was batting coach of NCA, then he was made selector(Breaking the most basic rule) and after that the coach of the Indian team. He is like a permanent BCCI salary account.

Paras Mhambrey the bowling coach is v good with technical things, but again poor tactically.While he is great at the NCA level, he isn't quiet the tactician for the National team.

India's poor tactics have been exposed today as well. Rohit Virat Hardik all went trying to take on the short ball.

Kohli had already hit 2 fours in that over, still went for a hook on the larger square boundaries and got out.

Rohit tried to hit a ball that was too high.

Even with 4 down, Hardik went for a hook and got caught.

Seems the tactics was to counter attack the short ball and it didn't work. This should have been dropped after 2 openers went but continued till 5 down.

Then we continue to play finger spinners. Why? That's beyond me.

If we go out of this WC in the first round blame the team management.

 

[Savak]

Ashwins bowling is the biggest reason for this loss. On these spicy pitches you need the option of having a 5th pacer especially if the spinner is going for plenty.

 

[NishanKonar]

Rahul Dravid is a poor tactical guy. No wonder India got knocked out in 1st round in 2007 WC under his captaincy

Remember this guy selected mostly test players for RCB at the first auction in 2008 - Kallis , Misbah , Wasim Jaffer and finished bottom of the table

 

[NishanKonar]

On a different note - I think India competed well against South Africa on the toughest pitch in Australia

Wud have been different result if match was held in Sydney or Adelaide

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The problem is we decided to bat with aggressive intent no matter what after last World Cup.

With increasing, seam and bounce in T20Is, it's better to conserve wickets upfront and explode later unless the wicket is flat and true.

Par score here was around 155. We hacked to score 180 and ended up with 130.

Also, Ashwin missed his length and bowled full . Then you have catches missed + runouts etc.

Not sure If they will get these right but Indian TM is usually slow and reactive so no expectations

 

[jnaveen1980]

That was very un-indian approach we saw today. Kept going after the ball. Ngidi was absolutely destroyed in the recent series. May be they were targeting him. They kept taking him on. This pitch is not suitable to take on certain deliveries. Rohit was standing outside the crease against Ngidi and trying to pull. YOu can't do that here at Perth.

 

[saintgrace]

There is nothing to lose game. One bad game out of equation. Good this happens today rather than in knockout. Remember final is not in Parth.

 

[jnaveen1980]

SA was always favorites to win at Perth. They were better side. India was found wanting in batting department, fielding department. Also wrong team choice.

 

[gani999]

I have been very critical of the poor tactics of the Indian team management since the SA tour last year.

Dravid was a ATG player, but seems to be a poor tactician. No wonder he had to leave captaincy of the Indian team.

The batting coach Vikram Rathore is well, a quota selection. He was batting coach of NCA, then he was made selector(Breaking the most basic rule) and after that the coach of the Indian team. He is like a permanent BCCI salary account.

Paras Mhambrey the bowling coach is v good with technical things, but again poor tactically.While he is great at the NCA level, he isn't quiet the tactician for the National team.

India's poor tactics have been exposed today as well. Rohit Virat Hardik all went trying to take on the short ball.

Kohli had already hit 2 fours in that over, still went for a hook on the larger square boundaries and got out.

Rohit tried to hit a ball that was too high.

Even with 4 down, Hardik went for a hook and got caught.

Seems the tactics was to counter attack the short ball and it didn't work. This should have been dropped after 2 openers went but continued till 5 down.

Then we continue to play finger spinners. Why? That's beyond me.

If we go out of this WC in the first round blame the team management.

It is unfair to blame Dravid. After all, it is not like the players sit around his knee and ask him for words of wisdom on tactics and strategy.
Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Ashwin and others have played enough to be able to understand the game and provide inputs on tactics and even selection. In fact, the on-field tactics should be the captain's responsibility alone. Why are they not doing what they should be? Or are there deeper waters here that we are not able to see?

I never anticipated India to do well in this tournament, and still don't see us going beyond the semis. I hope I am proved wrong.

There have been many selection bloopers as well. Choosing DK over Pant or Samson, sticking with KL Rahul when he hasn't performed for months now, not picking pacers like Umran Malik or Umesh Yadav for the fast and racy Australian pitches, are all questions that need answering.

 

[RexRex]

Rohit is not a smart captain at all.

He should have left Ashwin to bowl the last over. Also, India needed someone fielding behind the keeper near the boundary 24/7 .. such basic mistakes by a lethargic capatain.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rohit is not a smart captain at all.

He should have left Ashwin to bowl the last over. Also, India needed someone fielding behind the keeper near the boundary 24/7 .. such basic mistakes by a lethargic capatain.

At perth it is harder to score. But if you miss your mark easy runs are there for taking. Those bouncer boundaries were totally avoidable

 

[asadee]

While they didn't give it their 100% today and we know the reason behind it Indian bowling actually is pretty poor. Only Arshdeep is looking good the rest are not as penetrative. They gave Pakistan a very a decent total after having them 2 down for nothing and then couldn't defend on a lively Perth pitch

 

[rhony]

While they didn't give it their 100% today and we know the reason behind it Indian bowling actually is pretty poor. Only Arshdeep is looking good the rest are not as penetrative. They gave Pakistan a very a decent total after having them 2 down for nothing and then couldn't defend on a lively Perth pitch

That's not correct. Today was very fascinating to watch. SA troubled Indian batsmen with fiery pace and bounce. Indians countered it equally with swing and movement. Two different types of strengths but equally effective. Shan Masood and Markram had 4 or more chances and the games went deep. BK has been amazing in the last three games. He doesn't give away much. Arshdeep is a revelation. Shami is bowling well. Pandya was good in 2 games. The spinners went for plenty but again every spinner is going for runs except for Shadab. Indian bowling is looking good. They just need to fix the spinner slot.

 

[RexRex]

At perth it is harder to score. But if you miss your mark easy runs are there for taking. Those bouncer boundaries were totally avoidable

An intelligent captain would have put three fielders in the semi-circle behind the batsman and bounce them out. Rohit too dim-witted to think on his feet.

 

[MSaad1237]

From my short observation of Indian team from this tournament, Indian team needs a few changes aswell.

DK needs to be replaced with Rishabh Pant, and KL Rahul looked completely out of form, needs to replace him with someone, Indian fans would know better whom would be his suitable replacement, or maybe needs to play his down the order maybe ?

 

[Champ_Pal]

India did not have the bowlers to exploit the conditions like SA had.

BK floats up the ball. Arshdeep does not have the pace to trouble the batsmen consistently.

Shami is the only bowler who can bowl at pace and hit the deck.

Compare all of this to SA bowlers, Nortje, Rabada and Ngidi. All 3 of them can bowl at pace and hit the deck. Even Parnell can hit 140's and hits the deck hard extracting uncomfortable steepling bounce off good length.

You cannot consistently win with trundler pace attack. India dearly missed Bumrah on this wicket. He is one bowler who would have trouble SA batsmen the most.

This was a difficult wicket and SA batsmen also struggled to score off India's lowly bowlers. 150 was winning total. India were 15 runs short in the end.

 

[Champ_Pal]

From my short observation of Indian team from this tournament, Indian team needs a few changes aswell.

DK needs to be replaced with Rishabh Pant, and KL Rahul looked completely out of form, needs to replace him with someone, Indian fans would know better whom would be his suitable replacement, or maybe needs to play his down the order maybe ?

DK to RIshab is a sideways move. RIshab is a lottery. If ever his hitting comes off, he can score fast.

There is no one in the team to replace KL at the top. Hooda is out of depth on these pitches. He was happy to get out.

 

[Savak]

KL Rahul is a bottler, always goes missing on the big stage.

Also Rohit and Kohli should have batted responsibily knowing the conditions, opposition bowling attack

 

[MajorasMask]

I feel like KL needs to be dropped asap. The top order is offering nothing and his lack of form is exposing our middle order too early.

I would try something left-field, given KL is contributing nothing right now, I would replace him with Rishabh Pant as an opener. The left hand right hand combination is massively underrated - helps lead to those margin bad length/bad line balls when batting and can make a big difference especially when there are low scoring games.

I don't know what to think on Dravid yet - I like him a lot but I can't stand these team selections.

 

[Savak]

Rohit is not a smart captain at all.

He should have left Ashwin to bowl the last over. Also, India needed someone fielding behind the keeper near the boundary 24/7 .. such basic mistakes by a lethargic capatain.

Miller would have waited for Ashwin in the final over. You can't hide anyone in this format. Teams need a 5th pacer or medium pacer in these conditions of the spinner is having an off day.

 

[RexRex]

Miller would have waited for Ashwin in the final over.

It doesn't matter. Defending 15-18 runs with Ashwin bowling in the last over is a lot more sensible. Batsman would panic.

For what it's worth, even though Pakistan lost ... I thought Babar holding back Nawaz for the final over vs India was very intelligent.

 

[Giroux28]

I would be worried if I was an Indian cricket fan. The batsmen have been exposed against quality pace attack. Kohli saved the game against Pakistan and failed again tonight. Based on his performance in KOs and with KL and Hitman failing at the top I don't like their chances in the semis.

 

[Ab Fan]

I have been very critical of the poor tactics of the Indian team management since the SA tour last year.

Dravid was a ATG player, but seems to be a poor tactician. No wonder he had to leave captaincy of the Indian team.

The batting coach Vikram Rathore is well, a quota selection. He was batting coach of NCA, then he was made selector(Breaking the most basic rule) and after that the coach of the Indian team. He is like a permanent BCCI salary account.

Paras Mhambrey the bowling coach is v good with technical things, but again poor tactically.While he is great at the NCA level, he isn't quiet the tactician for the National team.

India's poor tactics have been exposed today as well. Rohit Virat Hardik all went trying to take on the short ball.

Kohli had already hit 2 fours in that over, still went for a hook on the larger square boundaries and got out.

Rohit tried to hit a ball that was too high.

Even with 4 down, Hardik went for a hook and got caught.

Seems the tactics was to counter attack the short ball and it didn't work. This should have been dropped after 2 openers went but continued till 5 down.

Then we continue to play finger spinners. Why? That's beyond me.

If we go out of this WC in the first round blame the team management.

Completely true..It is repeating same mistake again.

I can't understand the logic of playing Hooda when you have Ashwin in the team. Hooda was supposed to play as sixth bowler/second spinner when Chahal was your main spinner. So, a wrist spinner bowls from one end and then you use Hooda against any of the lefties for an over or two.

Here, when Ashwin is already there, you will never use Hooda in middle overs because both are off spinners and by the time we get into 15th over, this leaves us with Pandya filling up all the four overs. They did the same thing in Asia Cup in one match vs Pak or SL and that costed us the game.

Look at our openers. The pattern for KL Rahul couldn't be more correct than this. He failed in Asia Cup,then scored runs at home in bilateral vs Australia on small ground then scored in warm up games and as expected failed in this World T20 too.

Rohit himself is so overrated, averages 31-32 in T20s but given the number of World T20 he has played, you expect him to atleast dominate one of them but he hasn't done it even once. When was the last time he played a clutch knockout inning in World T20? 2007 WC vs SA?

Kohli, SKY and Pandya are in good form but they have their weakness. Rohit relies way more on Pandya with bowl who mostly bowls bouncers at 135-140 kph. One or two are bound to go for a boundary everytime and it is predictable too.

Medium pace bowling hasn't been exposed yet but lets see how long can they continue delivering. Bhuvi has been overshadowed by Arshdeep and Shami till now comfortably.

 

[topspin]

Rahul Dravid is a poor tactical guy. No wonder India got knocked out in 1st round in 2007 WC under his captaincy

Remember this guy selected mostly test players for RCB at the first auction in 2008 - Kallis , Misbah , Wasim Jaffer and finished bottom of the table

Goodness gracious me

I thought I heard it all with Misbah.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Miller would have waited for Ashwin in the final over. You can't hide anyone in this format. Teams need a 5th pacer or medium pacer in these conditions of the spinner is having an off day.

Spinners are risky at Perth. India should have gone with Harshal atleast.

 

[ethan hunt]

Rohit is not a smart captain at all.

He should have left Ashwin to bowl the last over. Also, India needed someone fielding behind the keeper near the boundary 24/7 .. such basic mistakes by a lethargic capatain.

Yes for everyone calling him a great tactition that was a pretty poor call.
Southafrica would have choked if ashwin had over 10 to defend in the last no matter how bad he’d bowled earlier.

 

[rhony]

Spinners are risky at Perth. India should have gone with Harshal atleast.

Didn't they have the Hooda guy? Why wasn't he bowled the 18th?

 

[hurricanes]

I have been very critical of the poor tactics of the Indian team management since the SA tour last year.

Dravid was a ATG player, but seems to be a poor tactician. No wonder he had to leave captaincy of the Indian team.

100% agree. He is not suitable for any leadership or tactical role. Not only the 2007 world cup you could see his team selections for first IPL for RCB and many many other occasions. He is just a very bad coach. People confuse his dedication, discipline for the game to leadership and strategy which there was never any evidence that there was any skill. This is not a knee jerk reaction to today's loss. It is a pattern that I have observed for last 15 years.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They come up with a plan every match and stick to it. Anyone who has seen these guys enough can tell this is not their natural approach especially when there is a bit of help. If they earn the wicket that is fine. Infact Indian bowlers had to earn their wickets with skill. In contrast pie bowler like Waleed got away with 3 wickets. It is beyond ridiculous. That guy has been playing for SA since Tendulkar's days lol

 

[Smbhayi]

KL Rahul is a bottler, always goes missing on the big stage.

Also Rohit and Kohli should have batted responsibily knowing the conditions, opposition bowling attack

Did you comments these exact words in somewhere else?

 

[Smbhayi]

Miller would have waited for Ashwin in the final over. You can't hide anyone in this format. Teams need a 5th pacer or medium pacer in these conditions of the spinner is having an off day.

Well he'll under pressure too if rrr is 12+ in last over .

 

[Smbhayi]

Spinners are risky at Perth. India should have gone with Harshal atleast.

Overrate will be an issue .

 

[Major]

Rahul Dravid is a poor tactical guy. No wonder India got knocked out in 1st round in 2007 WC under his captaincy

Remember this guy selected mostly test players for RCB at the first auction in 2008 - Kallis , Misbah , Wasim Jaffer and finished bottom of the table

Misbah was no. 1 ranked t20 player.

Rcb is same team that got kohli aswell

 

[ask_analyse_act]

India did not have the bowlers to exploit the conditions like SA had.

BK floats up the ball. Arshdeep does not have the pace to trouble the batsmen consistently.

Shami is the only bowler who can bowl at pace and hit the deck.

Compare all of this to SA bowlers, Nortje, Rabada and Ngidi. All 3 of them can bowl at pace and hit the deck. Even Parnell can hit 140's and hits the deck hard extracting uncomfortable steepling bounce off good length.

You cannot consistently win with trundler pace attack. India dearly missed Bumrah on this wicket. He is one bowler who would have trouble SA batsmen the most.

This was a difficult wicket and SA batsmen also struggled to score off India's lowly bowlers. 150 was winning total. India were 15 runs short in the end.

As brett lee said , they left Umraan Malik in the garage..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes for everyone calling him a great tactition that was a pretty poor call.
Southafrica would have choked if ashwin had over 10 to defend in the last no matter how bad he’d bowled earlier.

No it wasn't wasn't a poor call. Ashwin executed very poorly yesterday. So did our batters. The difference for quite some time has bin Indian spin bowling and India's batting against spin.

Ashwin overpitched thrice and Miller took him for 14 runs targeting the straight boundary.

Saffer spinners overpitched twice and we scored 2 runs.

It's a game of fine margins especially in a low scoring contest.

 

[Titan24]

As brett lee said , they left Umraan Malik in the garage..

Didn't look ready when he was brought to the Indian team. Pace is good to have but, you need to work on other aspects of bowling to complement that. If he is able to work on those areas in the academy or somewhere (Must be working on those areas behind the scenes) he will be back in the national setup.

 

[Cricket_fan_2021]

KL Rahul is undoubtedly THE MOST OVERRATED player in the history of Indian cricket. He DOES NOT deserve a chance to be in the team, lest of all as an opener. A lot more scalps have been taken for crimes far less than what this supposed USELESS batsman does on an every match basis.


India choose to bat and this USELESS batsman starts off with a maiden over. He is the most selfish player in the Indian team and does not deserve a spot. Heck, even Shikhar Dhawan is x10 better at his age!

Can anyone justify the decision to keep KL Rahul as an opener when he has repeatedly failed in pretty much most international matches before the T20 world cup? At this point I am convinced that he is somehow blackmailing everybody to keep him on the team. There is no possible justification otherwise.

 

[MP2011]

Spinners are risky at Perth. India should have gone with Harshal atleast.

Hell no!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Ashwin shouldn't play any more matches, if only we had Shardul the balance could have been better.

 

[WengerOut]

When you are 100 for 5 in the 15th over, your Star player is playing well, you are not able to handle the pace of the pitch yourself, what you should do?

Ideally, take a single and give the form batsman the strike.

What happened actually? A mow to cow corner to a short ball around off and got out caught.


Well that is DK for you. Same happened with Ashwin the batsman. A 150 score became 130.

Also Virat adding to his collection of high profile misses as a fielder.


Despite all the tactical blunders, India could have won had they shown some maturity.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I have been very critical of the poor tactics of the Indian team management since the SA tour last year.

Dravid was a ATG player, but seems to be a poor tactician. No wonder he had to leave captaincy of the Indian team.

The batting coach Vikram Rathore is well, a quota selection. He was batting coach of NCA, then he was made selector(Breaking the most basic rule) and after that the coach of the Indian team. He is like a permanent BCCI salary account.

Paras Mhambrey the bowling coach is v good with technical things, but again poor tactically.While he is great at the NCA level, he isn't quiet the tactician for the National team.

India's poor tactics have been exposed today as well. Rohit Virat Hardik all went trying to take on the short ball.

Kohli had already hit 2 fours in that over, still went for a hook on the larger square boundaries and got out.

Rohit tried to hit a ball that was too high.

Even with 4 down, Hardik went for a hook and got caught.

Seems the tactics was to counter attack the short ball and it didn't work. This should have been dropped after 2 openers went but continued till 5 down.

Then we continue to play finger spinners. Why? That's beyond me.

If we go out of this WC in the first round blame the team management.

Isn't it the captain that calls the shots in Indian Cricket? During Kohli's tenure, all the blame of losses and tactics was put on him. Rohit was a well regarded captain in India(according to what their media says) due to his performance in IPL. Why is Dravid getting the blame for tactics and selection? Rohit is a big and assertive enough guy to lead the team the way he likes to.

Dravid is the same guy who vouched for the twin attack of Kuldeep-Chahal in LOIs in 2017 after Champions Trophy. And Ashwin was selected for the wt20 last year as well when Kohli-Shastri combo was in charge.

If I am not wrong, Rohit was brave enough to say during wc19 that if it were upto him, he would have had Dhoni batting at 4.

I do agree Dravid is best suited to developing the young guys at NCA and A level. Even during his time at RR, he was a minimalist captain/coach who liked to get the most of the guys that weren't really the cream of the crop.

Why have India lost trust in that twin wrist spin attack that was so successful?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Ashwin is a misfit for LOIs in 2022. Gone are the days when he was the mystery spinner. He is very much a traditional offie now.