Positives from the T20I series between Pakistan and South Africa?

[DeadBall]

I personally think there weren't many positives for us from this series despite winning (barely) as apart from a couple of players most players were bang average or worse. Best case scenario we get rid of some TTFs.

SA on the other hand despite losing benefited a lot more as they used the opportunity to test their new players/bench strength and will be have a much better idea of how to form a solid squad for the upcoming WC.

 

[hitthestump]

Mohammad Rizwan is a big positive. He's been given the vice captaincy and taken his game to the next level in the process. I always rated him highly but he is playing better than ever right now even by his good standards. The guy is a fighter and if you give him a challenge he will rise above it.

I await the day Babar gives up the captaincy he was never suited for in the first place and Rizwan takes the job.

 

[Rana]

-Rizwan’s leg side hacking

-Decent spinners at home

It’s about it really?

 

[Mamoon]

Biggest positive?

The Haris Rauf drama is finally over and his fan club has been exposed for having no knowledge about cricket.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Biggest positive?

The Haris Rauf drama is finally over and his fan club has been exposed for having no knowledge about cricket.

Couldn’t agree more. Good that he was exposed well before the WC, and thanks to the SA team for doing that

 

[DeadBall]

Mohammad Rizwan is a big positive. He's been given the vice captaincy and taken his game to the next level in the process. I always rated him highly but he is playing better than ever right now even by his good standards. The guy is a fighter and if you give him a challenge he will rise above it.

I await the day Babar gives up the captaincy he was never suited for in the first place and Rizwan takes the job.

Yes but Rizwan has been acing it for the past year or so Aus, Eng, NZ etc but performing at home would be extra special for him. Him winning the MOTS is a foregone conclusion these days.

My point was what unexpected positives have we gained from the series?

 

[Bilal_103]

The positive we can take away is Rizwan has been a good find.

If you want to look at other positives In the sense of team betterment. The hack like Haider Ali, Nawaz , Asif Ali, Talat, Khusdil are not upto international standards.

Another positive is that never let Faheem bowl death overs.

 

[Rana]

Another great positive is those who wanted Hassan Ali to fail wont be able to sleep tonight)

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Rauf is a case where a player needs assistance. You cant expect a pakka pakkaya Halwa.
That cant happen in our system because players dont come through a proper system with knowledgable coaches.

Haris Rauf can offer good value if his mode of execution can be improved. You can't buy raw ability which he has, but you can teach him a better method to execute which he lacks at the moment.

 

[Titan24]

Mohammad Rizwan proving to be a solid WK option for T20s with improved power hitting when playing at the top, with one or two upcoming guys there is decent bench strength as well.

Further bench strength of spin bowling all rounders with Nawaz in the mix and spinners in white ball cricket has looked decent.

Also Shaheen and Hassan (With last match) endorsing the fact that they are our best pacers across the formats and we need to find backups of somewhat similar quality.

 

[Kroll]

Riz, spinners, good to have the real Hasan back.

 

[deems]

Rauf is a case where a player needs assistance. You cant expect a pakka pakkaya Halwa.
That cant happen in our system because players dont come through a proper system with knowledgable coaches.

Haris Rauf can offer good value if his mode of execution can be improved. You can't buy raw ability which he has, but you can teach him a better method to execute which he lacks at the moment.

Hes not a new ball bowler. Why can't the thick tank see that.

 

[SARJ_BD]

1. Rizwan as the opener
2. Two leg spinners against SENA teams is a good option.
3. Hafeez is still the best middle order batter for Pakistan. Probably its time to keep Shoaib Malik in contention as well.

 

[Bewal Express]

Usman Q showing up well, ZM showing potential, continued improvement in Rizs batting and Mohd Nawaz looking decent.

 

[Ahson8]

Khushdil Shah being exposed and hopefully being dropped forever

 

[Bewal Express]

Rauf is a case where a player needs assistance. You cant expect a pakka pakkaya Halwa.
That cant happen in our system because players dont come through a proper system with knowledgable coaches.

Haris Rauf can offer good value if his mode of execution can be improved. You can't buy raw ability which he has, but you can teach him a better method to execute which he lacks at the moment.

I agree but as most of his boundaries are getting hit in the same place, it's also time for better field placing for him.

 

[Justcrazy]

Faheem should be batting up the order , he can be a solid middle-order option. I would want him to bat at number 5 at least.

Rizwan is doing well but another keeper should be developed, If Rizwan plays all the formats and keeps he will burn out.

 

[Kaddy]

Asif Ali was exposed (again)

 

[Ami]

Positive?

we have identified 3 players for top 6, Babar, Rizwan and Hafeez.

So, only 3 to go...

 

[Extreme Pace]

No real positives honestly. The series exposed our lack of talent, particularly in the batting department. With PSL and T20 leagues you'd think there would be at least some young guns who can score and score quick, pretty much like every other country. But we tried all and there was zero, very disappointing and a bad sign for the WT20 and the future.

 

[observer1]

The mentality seemed to much better. South Africa had the upper hand many times in the games and it was pretty even stevens. Pakistan showed the mentality and fortitude to keep the fight on and not fall under pressure.

Rizwan's opening was solid and will hopefully put to rest the critics who claim he "can't hit big".

Usman Qadir seems to be a very handy spinner. It will give Shadab the motivation to up his game.

I thought the fielding was alot better than usual.

Haider Ali, Kushdil and Talat got some much needed experienced and hopefully a serious wake up call. They need to bring their domestic form to the International stage if they want to be a mainstay in the Pakistan Squad.

 

[gazza619]

1. Rizwan confirmed that his T20 heroics in NZ were not a fluke.
2. Hasan has booked his slot as our number 2 quick after Shaheen.
3. Babar scored confidently at number 3, which opens up the slot for an aggressive opener to partner Rizwan.
4. We found another spin option in Zahid Mehmood.
5. Qadir showed control and variety and was fun to watch.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Hes not a new ball bowler. Why can't the thick tank see that.

Contrary to what everyone thinks here, he does have the ability to swing the ball.
The issue is, that he is not able to execute his action properly because his runup stride pattern is not reliable and he decelerates before gather.

I want to do a detailed post on this , but I dont have the time these days.

 

[Darkrai]

Won the series with only 1 batsman performing.

The other batsmen were helping the opposition instead, with their 20(22) and 4(10) types of innings.

 

[Jabo]

no positives

false positives in thinking Rizwan is something special

overall they have been poor

 

[Extra_Cover]

Biggest positive is less reliance on Babar to win games.

 

[Rayyman]

Pakistan hit 22 sixes

 

[mon858]

1. Rizwan form. No more debate on his position and selection. Just needs to work a bit more on keeping up tempo after power play.

2. Complete exposure and hopefully dropping for next few series of Haris Rauf, Hussain Talat and Khushdil Shah. Asif would have failed too but luckily only got 1 game so we can't get the benefit of his exposure yet.

 

[Golden arm]

1. Rizwan form. No more debate on his position and selection. Just needs to work a bit more on keeping up tempo after power play.

2. Complete exposure and hopefully dropping for next few series of Haris Rauf, Hussain Talat and Khushdil Shah. Asif would have failed too but luckily only got 1 game so we can't get the benefit of his exposure yet.

1. Emergence of rizwan established
2.potential of 2 leg spinners Shadab & usman playing in future
3. Need for azam khan as big hitter in the middle realised more
4. Hasan fits in seamlessly
5. Faheem's batting ability in T20 established. May need to move up the order to cash his form.
6. Khushdil, Talat and Asif role dwindling for future selections
7. Hafeez, Malik probably back due to T20 world cup in india and role of spin friendly pitches
8. Hasnain would be preferred over Haris Rauf in future

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Hopefully Khushdil, Iftikhar and Haris Rauf(unlikely) will be dropped for good.

Hopefully Rohail can have a good PSL in the middle order then he might be able to stake a claim in the middle order. Can't see a good middle order batter for t20is atm apart from "experienced guys"

 

[shamaan]

Rizwan was a massive pluss.
The spinners was a pluss.
Hassan ali looks to be back to his best.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Big positives we are now getting rid of Talat (probably not yet), Khushdil, Ifti, Rauf and hopefully Haider who's done nothing great.

My playing XI:

1. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
2. Babar Azam (c)
3. Sohaib Moqsood
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Muhammad Nawaz (increasing his responsibility ahead of the cup)
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hassan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Zahid Mehmood/Zafar Gohar
11. Muhammad Hasnain (resting Shaheen)

 

[Hasan123]

Rizwan batting as many thought he wasn't capable of playing such knocks. Zahid performance in the last game was another positive as it is another spin option.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Biggest positive?

The Haris Rauf drama is finally over and his fan club has been exposed for having no knowledge about cricket.

Not sure what's better, Haris being dropped or Iftikhar + Khushdil being dropped.

At least there was some iota of sense being used.

There's some competition brewing in the Pakistan team. The only players who have guaranteed spots are Babar, Shaheen, and Shadab.

Everyone else will have to prove themselves. Even Imad's spot isn't guaranteed anymore. Spin department has some great competition after a long time, and hopefully some of these spinners carry over into ODI cricket where we need some good spinners.

Also hearing some chatter that Sarfaraz will bat much higher up the order, around 3 or so in an attempt to make room for himself in the team.

Competition is good, and if all goes well, it will certainly help us in the long run being able to have a large pool of performers to pick from.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Not sure what's better, Haris being dropped or Iftikhar + Khushdil being dropped.

At least there was some iota of sense being used.

There's some competition brewing in the Pakistan team. The only players who have guaranteed spots are Babar, Shaheen, and Shadab.

Everyone else will have to prove themselves. Even Imad's spot isn't guaranteed anymore. Spin department has some great competition after a long time, and hopefully some of these spinners carry over into ODI cricket where we need some good spinners.

Also hearing some chatter that Sarfaraz will bat much higher up the order, around 3 or so in an attempt to make room for himself in the team.

Competition is good, and if all goes well, it will certainly help us in the long run being able to have a large pool of performers to pick from.

Surely at this point Rizwan's spot is guaranteed. I would also add Hafeez to have a guaranteed spot in the T-20 World Cup.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Hassan Ali bowled a couple of great wicket taking deliveries.

That’s was the best sight.

Other than that, pretty average stuff.

 

[Dantheone]

I see Hafeez, Shadab and Imad coming back after their potential replacements failed.
I still believe Haider Ali can make it big. Need to persist with him after giving him a break.

 

[Tabishbeigh]

The only positive is that finally Pakistan knows that Hafeez is the best Batsman around.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Surely at this point Rizwan's spot is guaranteed. I would also add Hafeez to have a guaranteed spot in the T-20 World Cup.

No, Rizwan hasn't guaranteed his spot.

I'm looking at the WC when I made that list.

Hafeez would be there but I have a feeling this online phadda he's having won't go well with the selectors.

I'll know more after the PSL, but for now, those are the only players who are undroppable.

 

[shamaan]

Big positives we are now getting rid of Talat (probably not yet), Khushdil, Ifti, Rauf and hopefully Haider who's done nothing great.

My playing XI:

1. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
2. Babar Azam (c)
3. Sohaib Moqsood
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Muhammad Nawaz (increasing his responsibility ahead of the cup)
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hassan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Zahid Mehmood/Zafar Gohar
11. Muhammad Hasnain (resting Shaheen)

Haider is young he should stil get 1 more series he should be backed.

Nawaz is batting way up the order

 

[Kroll]

Big positives we are now getting rid of Talat (probably not yet), Khushdil, Ifti, Rauf and hopefully Haider who's done nothing great.

My playing XI:

1. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
2. Babar Azam (c)
3. Sohaib Moqsood
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Muhammad Nawaz (increasing his responsibility ahead of the cup)
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hassan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Zahid Mehmood/Zafar Gohar
11. Muhammad Hasnain (resting Shaheen)

Maqsood still around these days? Last time he was in side, he was one of the most laziest players I'd ever seen not mention he had such a brittle body.

But if he's smacking them out of the ground at a good average, then I'm not averse to see what he can do. At least its not Umar Amin we're talking about.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Maqsood still around these days? Last time he was in side, he was one of the most laziest players I'd ever seen not mention he had such a brittle body.

But if he's smacking them out of the ground at a good average, then I'm not averse to see what he can do. At least its not Umar Amin we're talking about.

Well i'll tell you what if you don't like the thought of Moqsood then maybe try the following....

1. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
2. Zeeshan Malik
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Muhammad Nawaz (increasing his responsibility ahead of the cup)
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hassan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Zahid Mehmood/Zafar Gohar
11. Muhammad Hasnain (resting Shaheen)

The reason i am vouching for Moqsood was the insane hitting in the semis were he got Southern Punjab through to the final chasing what 141 or something like that in 13 overs!!! I'd hate to see him go as well to America as I'm hearing rumours that Usman Salhuddin might be leaving us to go the U.S.

 

[Kroll]

Well i'll tell you what if you don't like the thought of Moqsood then maybe try the following....

1. Muhammad Rizwan (wk)
2. Zeeshan Malik
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Muhammad Nawaz (increasing his responsibility ahead of the cup)
6. Faheem Ashraf
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hassan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Zahid Mehmood/Zafar Gohar
11. Muhammad Hasnain (resting Shaheen)

The reason i am vouching for Moqsood was the insane hitting in the semis were he got Southern Punjab through to the final chasing what 141 or something like that in 13 overs!!! I'd hate to see him go as well to America as I'm hearing rumours that Usman Salhuddin might be leaving us to go the U.S.

Fair enough, what about that Danish Aziz guy I keep hearing about? Zeeshan Malik is a good option but having a top order left hander could also be useful.

 

[moghul]

SA series proved

Rizwan is a solid batsman and keeper and has capability to adjust his game according to the format

Captaincy will effect Babar's batting in the long run.

Rauf is another Musa, only worst.

Faheem is a fake all rounder, he can,t bowl.

 

[naseem]

6 hitting....nd exposing poor batters.....RAuf too should not be in squad......spinners....nd Rizwan

 

[naseem]

Faheem may be the hitter we r looking but bowling is worry.....Hasan can be AR

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Contrary to what everyone thinks here, he does have the ability to swing the ball.
The issue is, that he is not able to execute his action properly because his runup stride pattern is not reliable and he decelerates before gather.

I want to do a detailed post on this , but I dont have the time these days.

You’ll be crucified regardless, but I’ll be there to support this viewpoint. Would also love to know what the evergreen [MENTION=131682]Ian Pont[/MENTION] thinks.

 

[Energy]

Finding out how poor the bench is can be considered as a positive.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Fair enough, what about that Danish Aziz guy I keep hearing about? Zeeshan Malik is a good option but having a top order left hander could also be useful.

Well then maybe you can chop and change between Danish and Nawaz. However, like i said I wanna try and increase the role and responsibility of Nawaz cause i do rate him as a batsman.

 

[Markhor]

Spinners other than the toothless Imad-Shadab combo getting a chance.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Pakistan hit 22 sixes

Biggest one here lol, ive never seen so many from Pakistan.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

You’ll be crucified regardless, but I’ll be there to support this viewpoint. Would also love to know what the evergreen [MENTION=131682]Ian Pont[/MENTION] thinks.

I dont care what the ignorant folk around here say.
Not here to appease and make popular posts.

Haris may not be the most cunning bowler around, but he does have raw ability and a wicket-taking mindset.

You cant manufacture or train someone to have that level of natural arm speed and explosiveness.

It will be a failure of the system if he doesn't maximise his potential.

 

[shamaan]

Fair enough, what about that Danish Aziz guy I keep hearing about? Zeeshan Malik is a good option but having a top order left hander could also be useful.

Zeeshan malik should have been picked for the south africa series.

 

[Kroll]

Zeeshan malik should have been picked for the south africa series.

Its nothing new, there's been some baffling decisions. The batting was thin and inevitably the knives were out when it failed.

 

[shamaan]

Its nothing new, there's been some baffling decisions. The batting was thin and inevitably the knives were out when it failed.

Maybe wasim didnt pick him due to preesure from misbah and wanting rizwan to open.or maybe because he plays for nothern and wasim used to coach them last year

 

[Kroll]

Maybe wasim didnt pick him due to preesure from misbah and wanting rizwan to open.or maybe because he plays for nothern and wasim used to coach them last year

Wouldn't surprise me, Misbah prefers the ultra defensive approach. After all his failures in white ball cricket, you'd think Misbah would have learned by now and change up his tactics.

But we're told he's the most intelligent cricketing brain in Pakistan.

 

[shamaan]

Wouldn't surprise me, Misbah prefers the ultra defensive approach. After all his failures in white ball cricket, you'd think Misbah would have learned by now and change up his tactics.

But we're told he's the most intelligent cricketing brain in Pakistan.

What tactics

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I dont care what the ignorant folk around here say.
Not here to appease and make popular posts.

Haris may not be the most cunning bowler around, but he does have raw ability and a wicket-taking mindset.

You cant manufacture or train someone to have that level of natural arm speed and explosiveness.

It will be a failure of the system if he doesn't maximise his potential.

It already is. He’s the same age as Pat Cummins and Jasprit Bumrah. The real question is how much can we squeeze out of our own failure to develop him.

 

[Kroll]

What tactics

Hit and hope for the best?

 

[fieldMarshal]

U need to give Harris rauf a long run like shaheen to access his true value and to make him into a polished product.

In the first two t 20 Pakistan were bowling second with a wet ball n no fast bowler performed outstandingly, even than he picked up 2 wickets in the first t20.

 

[tahir_dj]

Positive: rizwan and usman and finally hassan ali

Negative: khusdil shah who always killed the momentum
Haris rauf no good
And couple of others they are only good for domestic

 

[MesonK]

Overall, first step towards establishment of Fortress Pakistan

 

[shamaan]

Hit and hope for the best?

Yes defonitely that tactics