Possibility of Pakistani cricketers playing in the IPL again?

[Hawkeye]

So, guess what, who tweeted this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since I know Imran khan well so I hope he will do what he has been saying all these years particularly indo pak relations <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1022476323338502144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Who is he? The IPL Chairman!

It looks like if Imran Khan is determined to make peace and trade work, his good relations with high profile parosis can make things better for our players and cricket.

They shouldn't be missing out on a tournament where the likes of AB, Kohli, Warner, Faf, Steyn and Rabada play.

 

[TeymurBlake]

You would think that this would be on the agenda for him come time for talks with India but I have a feeling he would want to prioritise the Pakistan domestic structure and hopefully take a look at strenghting the PSL.

 

[idrizzy]

I think Pakistan as a whole has bigger concerns than cricket, but having better relations does relate in this instance. Hopefully something can happen. Divides between two nations only hamper each other.

 

[Monsee]

Even if Pak player can play there, I have my reservations about them playing this mickey mouse tamasha league; they already get to play in PSL, CPL, Big Bash etc. PLus dangers of getting exposed to the biggest hub of fixers/bookies as well as chances of picking up injuries etc. will only hurt Pak team!

We are already No 1 T20 team, what else they can learn, do they want to become number in space as well? Not understanbding the benefits they can get from playing a league which sidelined Pak players on purpose (if I recall correctly) and some Pak umpires/commentators etc. had to leave due to security concerns as well

 

[Major]

naaa

When my father was posted at the Indian high comission, one day they had a Pakistan day function there. Rajiv Shukla was invited, he was in good terms with the then High Commissioner.

This was i think in 2012, and if in that point Pakistani players couldnt play in IPL, then how could they play now?

Pakistani could only play if the Indians stop being idiots.By being against a certain country cricketers Indians have shown employment discrimination.


if US decides not to higer Indians in their tech department, these people would be the first ones to cry. Yet when they do this against Pakistanis, its ok.

 

[Kroll]

naaa

When my father was posted at the Indian high comission, one day they had a Pakistan day function there. Rajiv Shukla was invited, he was in good terms with the then High Commissioner.

This was i think in 2012, and if in that point Pakistani players couldnt play in IPL, then how could they play now?

Pakistani could only play if the Indians stop being idiots.By being against a certain country cricketers Indians have shown employment discrimination.


if US decides not to higer Indians in their tech department, these people would be the first ones to cry. Yet when they do this against Pakistanis, its ok.

This is such a good point, it's discrimination no matter how anyone spins it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

naaa

When my father was posted at the Indian high comission, one day they had a Pakistan day function there. Rajiv Shukla was invited, he was in good terms with the then High Commissioner.

This was i think in 2012, and if in that point Pakistani players couldnt play in IPL, then how could they play now?

Pakistani could only play if the Indians stop being idiots.By being against a certain country cricketers Indians have shown employment discrimination.


if US decides not to higer Indians in their tech department, these people would be the first ones to cry. Yet when they do this against Pakistanis, its ok.

Granting of work visas is any country's sovereign right. Why should work visas be granted to any citizen of a country that is supporting a armed separatist and terrorist movement in India?

Why dont you go to a court and try to prove what you called as discrimination? Trump suspended visas to certain muslim countries and ultimately the US supreme court upheld that.

You do realise that foreigners dont have the right to get employment and visa of another country?Its a priviledge not a right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is such a good point, it's discrimination no matter how anyone spins it.

So Pakistanis have a right to demand employment and work visa in India?Is that international law??

UK citizens can go to USA and get Visa on arrival. Pakistani citizens have to go through a tough vetting process to get one and may even be rejected. Is that discrimination?

 

[Major]

Granting of work visas is any country's sovereign right. Why should work visas be granted to any citizen of a country that is supporting a armed separatist and terrorist movement in India?

Why dont you go to a court and try to prove what you called as discrimination? Trump suspended visas to certain muslim countries and ultimately the US supreme court upheld that.

You do realise that foreigners dont have the right to get employment and visa of another country?Its a priviledge not a right.

bro it is discrimination. NO matter how you put it and blindly defend it.

It useless to discuss with the Indian posters

If Pakpassion decides to ban all you Indians, then what? You guys dont have a right to post on this website and could be banned any time right? (if we use the same argument)

IPL targets one country specifically. And dont give me bulshit about support arm separatist. Those are the issues of the govt. How is someone like Shahid afridi to be blamed for that?

Its like putting someones child in jail because his father committed a crime and you couldn't catch him.

When these Indians get a ban from US, then see how they will cry. Its ok if they do it. Others do it then it becomes a problem.

 

[Major]

So Pakistanis have a right to demand employment and work visa in India?Is that international law??

UK citizens can go to USA and get Visa on arrival. Pakistani citizens have to go through a tough vetting process to get one and may even be rejected. Is that discrimination?

you just dont get it because of your blind support for your country.

problem is, it is wrong to sideline Pakistani players for being Pakistanis while every other cricketer from every other country is allowed to play.

thats discrimination against one particular group.

And its even more discriminating that a Pakistani cricketer could only play if he has a dual nationality.


Its like if Pakpassion decides to ban all posters posting from Indian because they are Indians and have occupied kashmir while every otehr coutnry's poster could post

 

[cricketjoshila]

bro it is discrimination. NO matter how you put it and blindly defend it.

It useless to discuss with the Indian posters

If Pakpassion decides to ban all you Indians, then what? You guys dont have a right to post on this website and could be banned any time right? (if we use the same argument)

IPL targets one country specifically. And dont give me bulshit about support arm separatist. Those are the issues of the govt. How is someone like Shahid afridi to be blamed for that?

Its like putting someones child in jail because his father committed a crime and you couldn't catch him.

When these Indians get a ban from US, then see how they will cry. Its ok if they do it. Others do it then it becomes a problem.

Its not discrimination.Every country has the right to decide which foreigner gets in who does not.

Yes PP has every right to ban anyone they want. Thats a very obvious thing. No one can claim a right to post on PP.

So you are saying that Pakistanis dont support their govt's stand on supporting the separatists and terrorists in Kashmir?

No.Its like not letting the father into the house because he supports his child's habit of throwing stones on my windows.

Why are you dragging US? what has US got to do here?Is Indian govt financing and supporting terrorism in US?

 

[cricketjoshila]

you just dont get it because of your blind support for your country.

Or is it the other way round?

problem is, it is wrong to sideline Pakistani players for being Pakistanis while every other cricketer from every other country is allowed to play.

thats discrimination against one particular group.

They are being sidelined because they are Pakistanis. Why is it that UK citizens get Visa on arrival in UK while you dont? According to your theory that also is discrimination.Isnt it?

And its even more discriminating that a Pakistani cricketer could only play if he has a dual nationality.

Well only Azhar Mahmood can claim that.

Its like if Pakpassion decides to ban all posters posting from Indian because they are Indians and have occupied kashmir while every otehr coutnry's poster could post

And PP will be within its rights to do so.

 

[Slim]

Are people delusional or what? How is Imran Khan getting selected impact our relations with India? They will more or less stay the same because the Sanghi government's whole campaign thrives on Anti-Pakistan narrative.

And with regards to IPL, i could care less.

 

[Finisher]

Granting of work visas is any country's sovereign right. Why should work visas be granted to any citizen of a country that is supporting a armed separatist and terrorist movement in India?

Why dont you go to a court and try to prove what you called as discrimination? Trump suspended visas to certain muslim countries and ultimately the US supreme court upheld that.

You do realise that foreigners dont have the right to get employment and visa of another country?Its a priviledge not a right.

Wasnt Modi visa application rejected by USA in 2005

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wasnt Modi visa application rejected by USA in 2005

Yes it was.

 

[Kroll]

It's disappointing to see none of the high profile foreign players have not spoken about this blatant discrimination against a fellow cricketing nation. But of course, mega dollars go along way to keeping mouths closed.

 

[Major]

so according to cricket joshilla it is perfectly ok to reject a group of people's visa and employment based on their nationality.

reason being? because of some differences between the govts foreign policy.

This is pathetic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's disappointing to see none of the high profile foreign players have not spoken about this blatant discrimination against a fellow cricketing nation. But of course, mega dollars go along way to keeping mouths closed.

Its not discrimination.Its lawful and legal.Else anyone will says that he has the right to get employment in any country he wishes.

 

[Major]

It's disappointing to see none of the high profile foreign players have not spoken about this blatant discrimination against a fellow cricketing nation. But of course, mega dollars go along way to keeping mouths closed.

cricketing nations are just hypocrites.

Atleast the football nations stand against racism.

If tomorrow due to racism all cricket nations boycott South Africa and Pakistan is the only nation that tours them, they would bash Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

Highly unlikely irrespective of whoever is the Prime Minister I reckon.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so according to cricket joshilla it is perfectly ok to reject a group of people's visa and employment based on their nationality.

reason being? because of some differences between the govts foreign policy.

This is pathetic.

There is a huge difference in "some differences" and supporting separatism and terrorism.

Are visas not rejected world wide on the basis of nationality??

 

[cricketjoshila]

Highly unlikely irrespective of whoever is the Prime Minister I reckon.

At the best we can hope for a short series in 2020.Attended by both PMs.

 

[Hawkeye]

You would think that this would be on the agenda for him come time for talks with India but I have a feeling he would want to prioritise the Pakistan domestic structure and hopefully take a look at strenghting the PSL.

Working on domestic cricket and getting players employed in top tournaments are NOT mutually exclusive.

You have to do both, like all boards and countries do.

Even if Pak player can play there, I have my reservations about them playing this mickey mouse tamasha league; they already get to play in PSL, CPL, Big Bash etc. PLus dangers of getting exposed to the biggest hub of fixers/bookies as well as chances of picking up injuries etc. will only hurt Pak team!

We are already No 1 T20 team, what else they can learn, do they want to become number in space as well? Not understanbding the benefits they can get from playing a league which sidelined Pak players on purpose (if I recall correctly) and some Pak umpires/commentators etc. had to leave due to security concerns as well

Lol, tamasha? Where every top cricketer of the world is keen to play and does play? Stop being bitter and hiding your head under sand.

Our cricketers are top quality too and deserve to play there in a competitive environment, learn from other world class players. Plus of course earn handsome.

 

[cricketjoshila]

cricketing nations are just hypocrites.

Atleast the football nations stand against racism.

If tomorrow due to racism all cricket nations boycott South Africa and Pakistan is the only nation that tours them, they would bash Pakistan.

Denying Visa is racism?

Can i file for a visa for US or UK and cry racism if they deny it for whatever reason?

 

[Major]

There is a huge difference in "some differences" and supporting separatism and terrorism.

Are visas not rejected world wide on the basis of nationality??

so you are saying Afridi and co support terrorism?

this is just like saying Modi supports ethinic cleansing agaisnt Muslims based on what happened in Gujrat during his tenure.


And let me add it here, because he was CM he had the responsibility of protecting the people in that part of the country.

 

[Major]

Denying Visa is racism?

Can i file for a visa for US or UK and cry racism if they deny it for whatever reason?

denying visas is not.

But when you start a league and deny visas only because you belong to a particular country than thats discrimination.

ANd the discrimination proves further when dual nationals are allowed.

 

[Kroll]

Its not discrimination.Its lawful and legal.Else anyone will says that he has the right to get employment in any country he wishes.

Apartheid was lawful and legal at the time (under the government that administered it). Does that change the fact that it wasn't discrimination?

 

[cricketjoshila]

so you are saying Afridi and co support terrorism?

this is just like saying Modi supports ethinic cleansing agaisnt Muslims based on what happened in Gujrat during his tenure.


And let me add it here, because he was CM he had the responsibility of protecting the people in that part of the country.

Afridi is in open support of Kashmiri separatists. Its on twitter.

Will it be ok if Pakistani players are made to sign a declaration on their visa forms saying that they dont support any separatist and terrorist movement in J and K? And then they are allowed to play the IPL?

Yes he had that responsibility as CM. And he should have done better.may it was his inexperience as that was his first ever post as a govt servant. But thing is that communal riots have taken place under many govt in India, Modi isnt the only one. But since then Modi had a exceptional record for law and order in Gujarat.

 

[Kroll]

Denying Visa is racism?

Can i file for a visa for US or UK and cry racism if they deny it for whatever reason?

The visa system you keep harping on about has many eligibility criteria. This discrimination is based solely on banning players from one particular country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apartheid was lawful and legal at the time (under the government that administered it). Does that change the fact that it wasn't discrimination?

Apartheid was practised in one country and it was boycotted by all.

Granting of visa according to nationality is a international practice followed by every country.

Now tell me, PCB has banned Indians from visiting the PCB website. Its their right. do you see any Indian complaining?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The visa system you keep harping on about has many eligibility criteria. This discrimination is based solely on banning players from one particular country.

Extreme vetting is under which eligibility cricteria?

Did US supreme court not uphold the visa ban on some countries in US?

Do countries freely distribute work visas to all countries in same numbers?

Do countries not give visa on arrival according to the nationality?

 

[Major]

Afridi is in open support of Kashmiri separatists. Its on twitter.

Will it be ok if Pakistani players are made to sign a declaration on their visa forms saying that they dont support any separatist and terrorist movement in J and K? And then they are allowed to play the IPL?

Yes he had that responsibility as CM. And he should have done better.may it was his inexperience as that was his first ever post as a govt servant. But thing is that communal riots have taken place under many govt in India, Modi isnt the only one. But since then Modi had a exceptional record for law and order in Gujarat.

difference between separatists and terrorism.

but again, does that mean asif ali, and shadab khan also support terrorism?

also, how do you know that other players from others countries do not support the Kashmir cause?

But tell me another, how is it that If Azhar Mehmood only had a Pakistani Passport we assume that he supports the Kashmir cause, but all of a sudden when Azhar Mehmood gets dual nationality, he doesn't support the Kashmir cause?

 

[Kroll]

Extreme vetting is under which eligibility cricteria?

Did US supreme court not uphold the visa ban on some countries in US?

Do countries freely distribute work visas to all countries in same numbers?

Do countries not give visa on arrival according to the nationality?

Yes, so? if the US is discriminating, then they're discriminating. However this thread is about the IPL, not on who the US may be discriminating against when it comes to handing out visas.

 

[cricketjoshila]

difference between separatists and terrorism.

but again, does that mean asif ali, and shadab khan also support terrorism?

also, how do you know that other players from others countries do not support the Kashmir cause?

But tell me another, how is it that If Azhar Mehmood only had a Pakistani Passport we assume that he supports the Kashmir cause, but all of a sudden when Azhar Mehmood gets dual nationality, he doesn't support the Kashmir cause?

The terrorists are part of the separatist struggle.

I said will it be ok if Pakistani players are made to sign a declaration?

Which other country has supported Kashmiri separatists and armed and funded them?

As i said Azhar Mahmood was an exception and denying a british citizen visa may have had other issues.But since then rules have been further tightened.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, so? if the US is discriminating, then they're discriminating. However this thread is about the IPL, not on who the US may be discriminating against when it comes to handing out visas.

The US is not discriminating.Its international practice to grant visas on basis of nationality. Some get Visa on arrival while other may have to through extreme vetting or even visa rejection.

 

[Kroll]

The US is not discriminating.Its international practice to grant visas on basis of nationality. Some get Visa on arrival while other may have to through extreme vetting or even visa rejection.

I understand this and good for them.

 

[Kroll]

However, this is just a blanket ban on a country's cricket players, hence this is discrimination.

 

[Major]

The terrorists are part of the separatist struggle.

I said will it be ok if Pakistani players are made to sign a declaration?

Which other country has supported Kashmiri separatists and armed and funded them?

As i said Azhar Mahmood was an exception and denying a british citizen visa may have had other issues.But since then rules have been further tightened.

so it proves my point. Pakistanis are particularity targeted. Azhar Mehmood could also be supporting whats happening in Kashmir and is Pakistani, but because he had dual he was allowed to go.

 

[cricketjoshila]

However, this is just a blanket ban on a country's cricket players, hence this is discrimination.

Pakistani actors and singers arent getting visas i hear. Recently the recording of a bollywood song by a Pakistani singer was done in Dubai.

Sadly even Medical visas are not easy to get.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so it proves my point. Pakistanis are particularity targeted. Azhar Mehmood could also be supporting whats happening in Kashmir and is Pakistani, but because he had dual he was allowed to go.

It was 2012-13 and Azhar Mehmood was one of a kind. Pakistani International player with a British Passport.

 

[Major]

It was 2012-13 and Azhar Mehmood was one of a kind. Pakistani International player with a British Passport.

again, it still happened. do not pretend it did not happened.

Imran Tahir is another Pakistani

 

[sohailmm]

I think it would be even more unlikely, Imran made clear statement today in his victory speech that we would like to have good relations with India but on "Equal Terms".

That would clearly not go well with Indian government which want to be recognised as the BIG B and superpower of south asia .

 

[cricketjoshila]

again, it still happened. do not pretend it did not happened.

Imran Tahir is another Pakistani

He is a saffer.He never played for Pakistan.

 

[kuskash]

Pak cricketers should play in IPL, that's their profession, should be no hurdles.

It may not get well with some Pak fans as they have always criticized citing its very corrupt and having no good quality as PSL, etc. Some fans did say that not playing in IPL improved Pak team as well.

 

[Major]

He is a saffer.He never played for Pakistan.

yes he did. he played u19 for Pakistan.

He has played many matches for Pakistan A with Misbah and co.

Funny how Pakistani's like Azhar Mehmood could not be supporting the Kashmir cause because he has a british passport while asif ali or shadab could only because they hold one nationality.

 

[Mp812]

Twisting of facts is not gonna make sense. There is no ban on Pakistani players n ipl. It's purely business in the sense that based on past bad experiences franchise owner is not prepared to risk bidding for Pakistani players. Just business not racism

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think it would be even more unlikely, Imran made clear statement today in his victory speech that we would like to have good relations with India but on "Equal Terms".

That would clearly not go well with Indian government which want to be recognised as the BIG B and superpower of south asia .

Equal terms is fine. You do not support any separatist or terrorist movement in India.India will not interfere in any internal affairs of Pakistan and we live peacefully.

Equal terms cannot mean, Pakistan will continue to support terrorism or separatist movement in India and India will continue to hold dialogues and ask for peace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

yes he did. he played u19 for Pakistan.

He has played many matches for Pakistan A with Misbah and co.

Funny how Pakistani's like Azhar Mehmood could not be supporting the Kashmir cause because he has a british passport while asif ali or shadab could only because they hold one nationality.

Pakistan A or U19 is not international cricket.

Azhar Mehmood holds a British Passport and that means he is eligible for a work visa.

 

[Major]

Pakistan A or U19 is not international cricket.

Azhar Mehmood holds a British Passport and that means he is eligible for a work visa.

doesn't matter, Imran Tahir is Pakistani.

as for Azhar Mehmood, you said that people who support Kashmir issue arn't allowed, and thus you assume the likes of Asif ali, Shadab etc support Kahsmir Issue. While Azhar Mehmood who is a Pakistani and British could also be supporting the Kashmir issue but is allowed to play.

Reason being, discrimination against Pakistanis.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Can be please stop flogging this dead horse already? It's not going to happen. You have your own league. Move on already.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

There is no reason for our players to play the IPL now that we have the PSL. Strengthen all the ties you want but if a league is going to oppose our players so much, then we don't need to participate in it. When it comes to strengthening ties with India, the inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL is the last thing I think of.

 

[BaankeJi]

With Imran Khan so popular in India, Indian people will be happy to have a good relationship with Pakistan. It can result in resumption of cricketing ties. Very much possible!

 

[coy0607]

hopefully not anytime soon

have you seen Indian media? they are spewing poison again Pakistan, Pakistani army, and Imran Khan

no self respecting Pakistani would want to play there in such an environment

now if things change in 1-2 years, thats a differently story

 

[Monsee]

Lol, tamasha? Where every top cricketer of the world is keen to play and does play? Stop being bitter and hiding your head under sand.

Our cricketers are top quality too and deserve to play there in a competitive environment, learn from other world class players. Plus of course earn handsome.

Get my head out of the sand LOL, every time I tried watching a few balls, the ChannaDaalMaximum and BhindiStrike etc. turn me of, it is as if it is a 'Neelam Ghar' on a cricket ground!

And in most cases, bowling is extremely poor, pitches pure phattas, and games heavily titled for the batsmen; we have one of the best leagues in PSL and our player make good money, no need to go in the biggest den of match fixers and betters

 

[Canford Cliffs]

hopefully not anytime soon

have you seen Indian media? they are spewing poison again Pakistan, Pakistani army, and Imran Khan

no self respecting Pakistani would want to play there in such an environment

now if things change in 1-2 years, thats a differently story

If IPL allows...every Pak cricketer would want to play there. Its easy to write big stuffs in internet but if someone offers a million dollar pay check, they all would come running. Remember Wasim Akram's statement - 'Mai India me job nehi karu to kya Pakistan me amrood bechu'?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Get my head out of the sand LOL, every time I tried watching a few balls, the ChannaDaalMaximum and BhindiStrike etc. turn me of, it is as if it is a 'Neelam Ghar' on a cricket ground!

And in most cases, bowling is extremely poor, pitches pure phattas, and games heavily titled for the batsmen; we have one of the best leagues in PSL and our player make good money, no need to go in the biggest den of match fixers and betters

A tournament where Ravi Bopara and Samit Patel becomes superstar bowlers...indeed has better bowling attack. Hehe

 

[Pete Rose]

bro it is discrimination. NO matter how you put it and blindly defend it.

It useless to discuss with the Indian posters

If Pakpassion decides to ban all you Indians, then what? You guys dont have a right to post on this website and could be banned any time right? (if we use the same argument)

IPL targets one country specifically. And dont give me bulshit about support arm separatist. Those are the issues of the govt. How is someone like Shahid afridi to be blamed for that?

Its like putting someones child in jail because his father committed a crime and you couldn't catch him.

When these Indians get a ban from US, then see how they will cry. Its ok if they do it. Others do it then it becomes a problem.

Even if it is descriminatiom it is not illegal. It’s a sovereign right. There is no standing to challenge this.
The only time it would be challenged is if there’s an icc event like a World Cup being held in India and they refuse to allow Pakistan to participate

 

[PakSarZameen]

I'm against centrally contracted players playing IPL to be honest.

I don't mind Malik Hafeez Afridi and the likes participating though

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It’s the PSL I’m worried about. He’s gonna throw away NS out of PCB. PSL would probably be highly politicised and will ultimately suffer from the fate of every other Pakistani thing politicised. Right now, I couldn’t care less about IPL.

 

[kuskash]

I'm against centrally contracted players playing IPL to be honest.

I don't mind Malik Hafeez Afridi and the likes participating though

And you think they will be in demand at IPL?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

And you think they will be in demand at IPL?

What do YOU think?

 

[SuperMo18]

Whether or not people on PP would like to admit it or not, India seems to discriminate against Pakistanis for just being Pakistanis. I personally am born in the US and my parents and aunts and uncles are born in Pak but moved here. My uncle and aunt are dual citizens of pak and US but permanent residents of the US. My uncle needed to get a treatment that was only offered in 2 or 3 countries, india being one of them, still because of their roots being from Pakistan they were refused visas. They offered to even renounce their Pakistani citizenship (shows the magnitude of the situation and how critical this treatment was) yet it was not enough.

I do not care of government relations between pak and india because i hate politics, but i am a huge fan of good cricket. At this point IPL is a premier t20 tourney and so is PSL, although PSL is still new and growing. Sports are meant to unite and the spirit of the sport should not involve political agendas. We can have the argument on which pak players would make the indian team or vice versa, but the truth of the matter is pakistan produces top notch talent.

It would be a joy to watch indian players in the PSL and pak players in the IPL, just as it would be a joy to watch bilateral series between pak india and other top nations. On the part if PCB they have tried, BCCI seems to hell bent to push their political agendas, and refuses to even play Pakistan in UAE or in a neutral third country.

Each country has the right to control who they grant visas to and who they allow into their country, but refusing visas to pakistani cricket players just because they are pakistani? Sports is separate from politics, and it’s not like any of these cricket players have direct impacts on the gov or how it functions. It would be fun to see fakhar playing with virat or rohit, or sarfaraz learning tips from dhoni, or babar playing with kl rahul. It’s sad that politics has ruined what could be potentially blockbuster tours and game breaking partnerships. Whether it be pairing pakistani batsmen with indian batsmen, or comprising a bowling attack of the best from both countries.

We can hope for a future of better relations between the two countries and an increase in the cricket played between to nations whose cricket rivalry draws a huge amount of attention and viewership, and therefore a lot of commercial benefit for both sides.

 

[Monsee]

Whether or not people on PP would like to admit it or not, India seems to discriminate against Pakistanis for just being Pakistanis. I personally am born in the US and my parents and aunts and uncles are born in Pak but moved here. My uncle and aunt are dual citizens of pak and US but permanent residents of the US. My uncle needed to get a treatment that was only offered in 2 or 3 countries, india being one of them, still because of their roots being from Pakistan they were refused visas. They offered to even renounce their Pakistani citizenship (shows the magnitude of the situation and how critical this treatment was) yet it was not enough.

I do not care of government relations between pak and india because i hate politics, but i am a huge fan of good cricket. At this point IPL is a premier t20 tourney and so is PSL, although PSL is still new and growing. Sports are meant to unite and the spirit of the sport should not involve political agendas. We can have the argument on which pak players would make the indian team or vice versa, but the truth of the matter is pakistan produces top notch talent.

It would be a joy to watch indian players in the PSL and pak players in the IPL, just as it would be a joy to watch bilateral series between pak india and other top nations. On the part if PCB they have tried, BCCI seems to hell bent to push their political agendas, and refuses to even play Pakistan in UAE or in a neutral third country.

Each country has the right to control who they grant visas to and who they allow into their country, but refusing visas to pakistani cricket players just because they are pakistani? Sports is separate from politics, and it’s not like any of these cricket players have direct impacts on the gov or how it functions. It would be fun to see fakhar playing with virat or rohit, or sarfaraz learning tips from dhoni, or babar playing with kl rahul. It’s sad that politics has ruined what could be potentially blockbuster tours and game breaking partnerships. Whether it be pairing pakistani batsmen with indian batsmen, or comprising a bowling attack of the best from both countries.

We can hope for a future of better relations between the two countries and an increase in the cricket played between to nations whose cricket rivalry draws a huge amount of attention and viewership, and therefore a lot of commercial benefit for both sides.

SuperMo18, There is a reason when Afridi uttered those silly words (something about big hearts etc.), they resonated with some of us out there because we knew what he exactly meant; a lot of Pakistanis, especially ones living abroad, have had similar experiences in dealing with Indians.

Pakistanis usually will not discriminate against someone just because they are from India, but Indians, even Muslim Indians, will for whatever reason (I can't read their minds) will always try and keep you at an arms length and would like to mingle with Indians only at any expense. Maybe they think we will somehow take advantage of them.

I am not saying I have not met nice Indians, in fact quite a few of them and became friends with some of them as well but there is always this inner feeling that you are not completely accepted by them just because you are from Pakistan. And less said about how India/BCCI/Indians can do no evil (at any expense of lying etc.) for these Indian folks in front of Pakistanis, while Pakistanis will criticize anything about their (own) homeland, folks etc. as long as they feel they are right in saying so.

 

[dhonixi]

Pakistanis have big heart according to monsee. So they will not accept Indians money. Oh wait, wasim akram. On topic, it is hard to judge india pakistan relation by giving examples of other countries. Terrorism and people's lives are bigger than any ipl. You can't give money to people/economy which again poured into country which use to extend terrorism in Kashmir.

 

[kuskash]

What do YOU think?

Amir, Shadab, Hasan, FZ definitely.

 

[IcedCoffee]

SuperMo18, There is a reason when Afridi uttered those silly words (something about big hearts etc.), they resonated with some of us out there because we knew what he exactly meant; a lot of Pakistanis, especially ones living abroad, have had similar experiences in dealing with Indians.

Pakistanis usually will not discriminate against someone just because they are from India, but Indians, even Muslim Indians, will for whatever reason (I can't read their minds) will always try and keep you at an arms length and would like to mingle with Indians only at any expense. Maybe they think we will somehow take advantage of them.

I am not saying I have not met nice Indians, in fact quite a few of them and became friends with some of them as well but there is always this inner feeling that you are not completely accepted by them just because you are from Pakistan. And less said about how India/BCCI/Indians can do no evil (at any expense of lying etc.) for these Indian folks in front of Pakistanis, while Pakistanis will criticize anything about their (own) homeland, folks etc. as long as they feel they are right in saying so.

Don't agree with your point about Indians treating Pakistanis differently abroad. Least not in Canada. Some of my best friends are indians.

But in response to this thread, as far as giving visas goes and comparing the indian situation to UK goes LOL that's laughable. Pakistanis are vetted for security reasons, and for immigration issues. Nobody really wants to go to India from Pakistan lol. India is still a developing country unlike UK/USA/Aus etc. so that excuse doesn't hold.

As far as US boycotting countries for visas goes, if trump wants he can arbitrarily boycott indian citizens on grounds of "national security" even if it's horse**** as is the case with the current canadian tariff situation. I bet you anything the indians would cry foul even then and demand it's racism/discrimination and injustice. They'll be the first ones to claim it's their right yet talk about it being a privilege.

 

[Balthazar]

naaa

Pakistani could only play if the Indians stop being idiots.By being against a certain country cricketers Indians have shown employment discrimination.


if US decides not to higer Indians in their tech department, these people would be the first ones to cry. Yet when they do this against Pakistanis, its ok.

That's silly comparing Pak with US. India is not trying to harm the peace and prosperity within thier country. Besides, a lot of US companies have branches within all over India.

 

[dauntless]

who cares about their league. Let them be happy playing this league.PSL is there to provide money to domestic players.

 

[pratiktc]

Not going to happen as long as BJP is in power. Agree that Pak player ban is definitely illogical.

However frankly it's not like Pak is losing much. Only about 7-8 players tops would get an IPL gig (Amir, Fakhar, Rumman, Shaheen, Shadab and maybe Malik)

 

[saeed5646]

Hopefully things are as it is pakistan have move on so does india needs to
Since there are many leagues played around the world i don.t think any pakistani cricketer will be desperate for ipl as they would have been in from 2011 to 2015 .things have changed pakistani player earned decent money they can survive without ipl and they won.t play unless pakistani public allow them to play and the environment is smooth.

 

[Bubby]

so according to cricket joshilla it is perfectly ok to reject a group of people's visa and employment based on their nationality.

reason being? because of some differences between the govts foreign policy.

This is pathetic.

OH bhai it's not some difference, it's because of pak supporting terrorists and their sympathizers by all means not some random differences

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't agree with your point about Indians treating Pakistanis differently abroad. Least not in Canada. Some of my best friends are indians.

But in response to this thread, as far as giving visas goes and comparing the indian situation to UK goes LOL that's laughable. Pakistanis are vetted for security reasons, and for immigration issues. Nobody really wants to go to India from Pakistan lol. India is still a developing country unlike UK/USA/Aus etc. so that excuse doesn't hold.

As far as US boycotting countries for visas goes, if trump wants he can arbitrarily boycott indian citizens on grounds of "national security" even if it's horse**** as is the case with the current canadian tariff situation. I bet you anything the indians would cry foul even then and demand it's racism/discrimination and injustice. They'll be the first ones to claim it's their right yet talk about it being a privilege.

Visa is not a right but a priviledge. Trump is doing a lot of things regarding tariffs and all countries are not liking it but they cant do anything as it is legal.

 

[SuperMo18]

Don't agree with your point about Indians treating Pakistanis differently abroad. Least not in Canada. Some of my best friends are indians.

But in response to this thread, as far as giving visas goes and comparing the indian situation to UK goes LOL that's laughable. Pakistanis are vetted for security reasons, and for immigration issues. Nobody really wants to go to India from Pakistan lol. India is still a developing country unlike UK/USA/Aus etc. so that excuse doesn't hold.

As far as US boycotting countries for visas goes, if trump wants he can arbitrarily boycott indian citizens on grounds of "national security" even if it's horse**** as is the case with the current canadian tariff situation. I bet you anything the indians would cry foul even then and demand it's racism/discrimination and injustice. They'll be the first ones to claim it's their right yet talk about it being a privilege.

Never did i state that all indians treat pakistanis differently or all indians are bad, my point is abt pakistan playing india and the indian gov allowing pak players or people im general to come to the country. I have some great friends that are indian, and that distinction between Pakistani or indian is nonexistent in my mind. I am talking about a specific scenario that took place in my life

 

[SuperMo18]

Sorry to hear about your uncle. When did this happen?

Last year my man, ALS is a horrible horrible disease, remember him in your prayers, he’s a fighter, hopefully he keeps fighting for a long time

 

[cricketjoshila]

Last year my man, ALS is a horrible horrible disease, remember him in your prayers, he’s a fighter, hopefully he keeps fighting for a long time

Did he write to Sushma Swaraj? If he is still interested ask him to write to her. She facilitates medical visas even for resident pakistanis.

Yes ALS is a horrible condition. I hope he improves.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I watch maximum 3 to 4 games of the ipl every year,coz i don't find it entertaining enough.
But if pak players start playing ipl ,i'll love to watch it.Amir,fakhar,shadab,faheem,hassan deserve an ipl contract .I think that it can be possible in the coming years as Imran is the new PM.
I expect Imran to be the real leader not the one who hides behind army generals.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

We are a pretty good T20I side. We've PSL and players can play other leagues as well.

IMO if they have to play IPL as well, then it'll be an overkill.

No need to play in IPL!

 

[TM Riddle]

naaa

When my father was posted at the Indian high comission, one day they had a Pakistan day function there. Rajiv Shukla was invited, he was in good terms with the then High Commissioner.

This was i think in 2012, and if in that point Pakistani players couldnt play in IPL, then how could they play now?

Pakistani could only play if the Indians stop being idiots.By being against a certain country cricketers Indians have shown employment discrimination.


if US decides not to higer Indians in their tech department, these people would be the first ones to cry. Yet when they do this against Pakistanis, its ok.

Yes because historic relationship between US and India has been similar to between that of Indians and Pakistanis.
Wah mere sher!

 

[TM Riddle]

bro it is discrimination. NO matter how you put it and blindly defend it.

It useless to discuss with the Indian posters

If Pakpassion decides to ban all you Indians, then what? You guys dont have a right to post on this website and could be banned any time right? (if we use the same argument)

IPL targets one country specifically. And dont give me bulshit about support arm separatist. Those are the issues of the govt. How is someone like Shahid afridi to be blamed for that?

Its like putting someones child in jail because his father committed a crime and you couldn't catch him.

When these Indians get a ban from US, then see how they will cry. Its ok if they do it. Others do it then it becomes a problem.

Pakpassion has every right to ban Indians from posting on the forum.
Learn to understand the subtle difference between privilege and right.

 

[B_Positive]

I dont think now the players would want to play in IPL after so many years of negligence