Post-Brexit England?

[Saj]

How do those of you who live in England see the country's future post-Brexit?

Speaking to a few Asian friends they have already encountered a couple of incidents involving racist abuse. Do you think this is something that will get worse or things will calm down eventually?

 

[Salman]

Alright our Saj, haven't noticed or experienced any racism myself, the racism was always there to begin with in small pockets, the media are just reporting any reports post brexit to stir it up a bit, channel 4 being the biggest culprit.

If anything, i'd say even some borderline racists who voted out are strangely acting "nicer" at the moment. This is due to them feeling a little low from voting out backlash and are being classed as racists amongst their own English communities.

 

[Salman]

But then again, i can only speak for London, smaller towns with large social housing and unemployment will probably bear the brunt of the racism.

 

[Yossarian]

It's The Emperor With No Clothes scenario. The closet racists, many of whom didn't even realise they had racist tendencies because they were suppressed so deeply, didn't want to voice their inner feelings amongst those around them, amongst their work neighbours and work colleagues, even amongst their friends and extended family members.

But now after Brexit they realise that they are not alone (other than the likes of BNP), and many of those around them feel the same way, they can now let their real feelings show. Plus each terrorist attack in Britain, whether thwarted or not, or where British citizens are amongst the casualties in attacks abroad, will really ramp up the Islamophobia with even 'moderates' joining in.

And God forbid if there any more revelations of gangs grooming young girls.

 

[Saj]

Allegations of crimes motivated by race or religious hate have increased 41% since the Brexit vote, says the Home Office.

The number of racially and religiously aggravated allegations jumped by two fifths in July - compared to the same month last year.

There were 3,886 such crimes logged in July 2015, rising to 5,468 in July this year.

Hate crime is defined by police as "any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards someone based on a personal characteristic".

Home Secretary Amber Rudd said: "Hatred has no place in a Britain that works for everyone and we are determined to stamp it out.

"I am pleased to see Government action is working and that more victims are finding the confidence to come forward to report these crimes.

"Our hate crime laws are among the best in the world, but we cannot be complacent."

Mark Hamilton, National Police Chiefs' lead on hate crime, said: "Nobody in this country should have to live their lives enduring fear, intimidation or - in a third of cases - violence because of who they are.

"We are encouraged by the analysis that a large part of this increase is driven by better police reporting and support systems giving victims the confidence to speak up and get help."

http://news.sky.com/story/hate-crime-rises-by-41-after-brexit-referendum-10615271

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fuel prices are on the rise and Tesco have announced they will be dropping Unilever products as the supplier has tried to hike a 10% rise in supply prices following the fall in the value of sterling which has pushed prices up for imported goods.

I don't know about racism, but the cost of living is set to go up in quite a few sectors.

 

[Markhor]

What happened to this post-Brexit utopia Quitters were promising ? Granted the Treasury's assessment is on the severe side but there's no doubt Hard Brexit will lead to a real slowing of GDP growth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...uk-economy-66bn-cost-leaving-eu-a7354996.html

Britain will lose up to £66 billion a year if it pursues the so-called "hard Brexit" option of leaving the single market and EU customs union, the Treasury has warned.

Government figures suggest the UK's gross domestic product (GDP) could fall by as much as 9.5 per cent if it leaves the EU and reverts to World Trade Organisation rules.

The impact of such a slump would be devastating on the public sector, according to Treasury documents leaked to The Times.

Yet when Remainers brought this up we were accused for scaremongering.

 

[Pakpak]

What happened to this post-Brexit utopia Quitters were promising ? Granted the Treasury's assessment is on the severe side but there's no doubt Hard Brexit will lead to a real slowing of GDP growth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...uk-economy-66bn-cost-leaving-eu-a7354996.html



Yet when Remainers brought this up we were accused for scaremongering.

Also Tusk warning EU will show no mercy.

Project Fear.

 

[Thivagar]

What has been benefits of Brexit so far ?

 

[Ellipsism]

What has been benefits of Brexit so far ?

All the benefits are outlooks for the future there are no immediate benefits.

All the benefits surround around trade and the pound.

 

[saeedhk]

The British pound is on a serious free fall. It used to be 1 pound = 13 HKD, now it is 1 pound = 9.4 HKD.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Will the GBP value dip further or will it rise in the near future ?


Is this the buying time ? Or is it time to wait for more slump ?


What about the Properties like Houses & Apartments in London ?

 

[Bewal Express]

The £ dropping will be one of the main reasons for the drop in immigration in the future.

 

[Markhor]

What has been benefits of Brexit so far ?

We haven't left yet. Article 50 needs to be triggered which begins formal exit negotiations with the EU.

Before that happens, UK Govt needs to decide what type of Brexit they want. Here's the options neatly explained in a table:

 

[Yossarian]

For the first time in my life I was stopped by a policeman (on an unmarked motorbike). I had noticed him behind me more than half a mile further back, which included 2 roundabouts and 3 sets of traffic lights.

Reason? He claimed I was driving uninsured. My insurance had been due to finish the day before with the previous insurance company and I had it renewed with a different insurance company who gave me a better deal. There was no gap between the old one finishing and the new one starting.

Luckily I was just about to turn into the road in which I lived and my house was only a hundred yards further away. I told him to follow me to the house, I went inside and came out with the new insurance documents (the hard copy had, fortunately, only arrived in the post that morning). He looked very disappointed seeing the insurance certificate.

He claimed that the new insurance company must not have as yet updated their computer records and hence that's why the info was incorrect when he checked with base before stopping me. Yeah, sure.

I live in an area whether there are hardly any non-whites. There is nothing unusual as regards my car. So it's incredible that just by chance he had randomly checked upon the insurance details of a driver with a 100% clean record, who's insurance had switched from one insurance provider to another only the previous day!

The cynic in me wonders whether my (slightly) suntanned face, in an area with hardly any non-white residents, was perhaps the reason for being 'randomly' picked, and that the insurance details just happened to be the excuse needed to stop me.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

For the first time in my life I was stopped by a policeman (on an unmarked motorbike). I had noticed him behind me more than half a mile further back, which included 2 roundabouts and 3 sets of traffic lights.

Reason? He claimed I was driving uninsured. My insurance had been due to finish the day before with the previous insurance company and I had it renewed with a different insurance company who gave me a better deal. There was no gap between the old one finishing and the new one starting.

Luckily I was just about to turn into the road in which I lived and my house was only a hundred yards further away. I told him to follow me to the house, I went inside and came out with the new insurance documents (the hard copy had, fortunately, only arrived in the post that morning). He looked very disappointed seeing the insurance certificate.

He claimed that the new insurance company must not have as yet updated their computer records and hence that's why the info was incorrect when he checked with base before stopping me. Yeah, sure.

I live in an area whether there are hardly any non-whites. There is nothing unusual as regards my car. So it's incredible that just by chance he had randomly checked upon the insurance details of a driver with a 100% clean record, who's insurance had switched from one insurance provider to another only the previous day!

The cynic in me wonders whether my (slightly) suntanned face, in an area with hardly any non-white residents, was perhaps the reason for being 'randomly' picked, and that the insurance details just happened to be the excuse needed to stop me.

You ruined his day by providing the hard copy of insurance. Now, he won't have an anecdote for his pals.

In all seriousness tho, I laugh (well, not 'laugh' per se, but I smirk like a cabrón) at policemen when they randomly stop me.

For the first time in my life

How old are you? That's incredible.

I get stopped at least 3-6 times per year. Once me and my brother (both under 18 at that time) got stopped early in the morning jogging in our local park

 

[Yossarian]

You ruined his day by providing the hard copy of insurance. Now, he won't have an anecdote for his pals.

In all seriousness tho, I laugh (well, not 'laugh' per se, but I smirk like a cabrón) at policemen when they randomly stop me.


How old are you? That's incredible.

I get stopped at least 3-6 times per year. Once me and my brother (both under 18 at that time) got stopped early in the morning jogging in our local park

I'm not that young (or old). And driving since I was 17. 100% clean record, no points ever. And yes, stopped for the first time in my life. Hence the shock.

 

[Robert]

I'm white and was stopped many times when I was a young driver, usually after pub closing time. Not for the last fifteen years, though. I was always completely respectful to the Officers. If you cheek them they will find ways to hold you up for longer - I heard that from an Officer mate.

 

[Robert]

Anna Soubry MP of FB today.......

If Theresa May models herself on Elizabeth I and Nicola Sturgeon is the new Mary Queen of Scots, then Anna Soubry is more like Boadicea. The Conservative MP for Broxtowe, in Nottinghamshire, is becoming the leader of the backbench rebels determined that the new establishment will not trample all over those who fought to remain in the European Union.

“I’m more than happy to be the voice of the 48 per cent,” the former minister says, “although Nicky Morgan is doing more than me.” She is “fascinated” that it is women who now seem to be leading across the world. “Women are naturally courageous. They are less likely to be irresponsible, they are cautious in their risk taking but they will stick up for what they believe in.”

The former business minister, television presenter and barrister from Worksop believes that the vote for Brexit was a mistake. Along with Mrs Morgan, the former education secretary, she is determined that when Britain does leave the EU, it does it as softly as possible. When the pair walked into Downing Street in their black shades recently they were immediately dubbed the “Awkward Squad” — the new Thelma and Louise. “More Reservoir Dogs I think,” says Ms Soubry, laughing. After losing their ministerial jobs, they commiserated together over Sunday lunch and sent a selfie to David Cameron. “I think he was freaked out,” she says.

She insists that she is not angry at Mrs May for not including her in her cabinet. “I had made a decision that if I didn’t get a promotion, I wouldn’t be upset or churlish but I would go back to the back benches.” She is free to say what she wants there. “I never decided to be a rebel. I am just me,” she insists. “I am not putting on a persona.”

The EU referendum was “about values” rather than a clash between the metropolitan elites and those left behind, she argues. “I am a member of the elite because I am a member of parliament and an ex-barrister but I am not metropolitan. You can’t generalise. Many voted with an open outlook on life but for a significant number it was the fear of the unknown. They had a more pessimistic view — that we have to close our borders, shut ourselves down.” Often, it was more about anxiety than reality. “Constituents would tell me it was immigration and I would say, ‘Where?’ In many parts of my constituency there aren’t many. They would say, ‘They are coming.’ I would say, ‘They are coming here to work.’ They would say, ‘But we have got too many Muslims’ and I would say, ‘But many are Catholic.’ There was a falling back on fear.”

It infuriates her that it was the Remainers who were accused of stirring up fear. “Much of what we said is now reality and we haven’t even had Brexit yet.” She met the chief constable of Nottinghamshire this week who told her that hate crimes were 18 per cent higher than last year and that the language being used was related to Brexit. “I went to lots of places in my constituency and people would say to me, ‘All these immigrants, Anna, get them out.’ The last time I heard people speaking in that way was in the 1970s with the rise of the National Front.”

The young do not notice race or colour, Ms Soubry, 59, says. “There is a huge age thing in this. No one under 30 gives a monkey. Many believe that an older generation has stolen their future.” The discussion over the ages of the refugee children coming from Calais this week was a distraction. “I don’t get overly agitated. I think it’s right to check people’s ages . . . but lots of 17-year-olds look older. We should move on.”

She is concerned now about the court case to determine whether the government should be able to trigger Article 50, which starts the process of leaving the EU, without a Commons vote. “Parliament should make the decision because it is the right constitutional way to do it. People accept that we are going to leave so it would be difficult to think that MPs would do anything but vote for Article 50. The peers will have to agree because they have no mandate apart from the EU referendum.”

She makes clear that Tory rebels would try to use Article 50 legislation to force the prime minister to change her negotiating position. “You could amend that to say the overriding principle will be membership of the single market.” Mrs May has made clear that her priority is ending the free movement of people. “Theresa needs to move on that,” Ms Soubry insists. “And she needs to take students out of the immigration figures. I hope she starts listening to business because if she doesn’t our economy is going to start to tank. We need these workers. People have to get real and understand that many businesses have tried to recruit British-born labour but failed to find the numbers they need.”

She worries that Mrs May doesn’t have enough people with experience of business around her. “I am not going to comment about Liam Fox [the international trade secretary] but I was deeply troubled [by] the idea of business people being overweight on the golf course. [That] is a terrible stereotype.”

 

[Markhor]

Government finances £122bn worse off post-Brexit.

However I think Leave voters simply see the economic hit of Brexit a price worth paying as long as immigration is perceived to be controlled.

 

[godzilla]

any government was going to kitchen sink the first budget post referendum to make use of it as an excuse for the institutionalised culture of entitlement and lack of productivity prevalent throughout the provincial cities in the uk.

of course we can't compare this to what the numbers would have looked like had the vote been to remain. if all recent trends are anything to go by, that would have resulted in big losses too - and moreover, with european economic malaise broadening and deepening, we dont know how much more of an effect that would have had.

so this apples to pears comparison is meaningless for anyone with a serious intent to examine the economic impact of the vote.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Football Manager 2017 game 'ruined by Brexit', complains angry gamer in brutal one star review

Football Manager 2017 game 'ruined by Brexit', complains angry gamer in brutal one star review

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...gamer-in-brutal-one-star-review-a3404201.html


Football Manager has always prided itself on its staggering realism but it seems it may be getting a bit too real for some fans of the game.

Miles Jacobson, studio director of game creators Sports Interactive, revealed last month that the latest iteration would simulate Brexit, providing gamers with various “soft” and “hard” options in their third season.

It was not a decision that went down well with one player of the mobile version. ‘Davespiceboy’ handed the game a one star rating, saying it had been “ruined because of Brexit”.

He added: “All starts good then you get Brexit news messages appear [sic] now and then, all seems harmless at first, but then when you get midway into season three of the game it tells you Britain leaves the EU. Time for celebrations right… wrong.


Davespiceboy was far from impressed with Football Manager Mobile 2017
“Once this happens you have to get work permits for ALL EU players. This kills the game for me as it makes it near impossible to sign Spanish, German, Italian etc players.”

Football Manager’s Brexit simulations range from special exemption work permits for footballers to Scotland breaking away from the rest of Great Britain in 2019.

 

[SL_Fan]

Supreme Court rules UK needs parliament to trigger Brexit


Britain's highest court has ruled that Prime Minister Theresa May must consult Parliament before triggering formal Brexit talks.

The Government has lost its historic battle in the Supreme Court over Brexit.

The highest court in the land rejected an appeal by ministers against a High Court judgment blocking their decision to begin Britain's exit from the European Union without Parliament having a say.

Supreme Court justices ruled, by a majority of eight to three, that Prime Minister Theresa May cannot lawfully bypass MPs and peers by using the royal prerogative to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and start the two-year process of negotiating the UK's divorce from its EU partners.

The ruling is a blow to Mrs May, who has repeatedly said she intends to trigger Article 50 by the end of March following the clear majority in favour of Brexit in the June 2016 referendum.

It was won by a wide-ranging group of anti-Article 50 campaigners led by investment manager Gina Miller, 51, and hairdresser Deir Dos Santos.

Link

 

[Saj]

How do those of you living in the UK feel about this now?

I feel that problems have increased and there seems to be quite a lot of ill-feeling towards minorities in Britain at the moment.

 

[cricket4all]

I think post Brexit will also see the breaking of not just the Union with Europe but also Union with Scotland. We will see an independent Scotland leading to a smaller UK.

 

[gazza619]

How do those of you living in the UK feel about this now?

I feel that problems have increased and there seems to be quite a lot of ill-feeling towards minorities in Britain at the moment.

I feel being cheated by whoever decided to go to public vote on brexit.

 

[WC-Passion]

How do those of you living in the UK feel about this now?

I feel that problems have increased and there seems to be quite a lot of ill-feeling towards minorities in Britain at the moment.

It will be a soft Brexit and no one will be happy. Either that, or it will be delayed till the end of time. I'm almost half-serious at this point.

 

[IMMY69]

We’ve seen people leave London, fed up of paying their taxes for close to ten years and then feeling unwanted. Our business has suffered from higher cost and lower demand...

and we haven’t even Brexited yet..

However i’m extremely thankful that we live in London and not in Brexit voting area. Around 5-6 months back I was driving around St Pancreas with the family.. it was a Saturday and a whole bunch of brexiteers had arrived into Kings Cross for a demonstration. We were stopped at a red light and the stares were got from these people were disgusting... as we drive on they actually peaked into the car with menacing looks...

Not since the very early 80’s did I experience something like that and the first time my born and bred British teenagers felt the glare of rascism...
I’m sure these people were in the minority but it still left a lasting impression..

 

[Technics 1210]

Brexit vote was the result of austerity; an attempt to suppress the rise of right wing populist politics (UKIP).

Brexit will be the talking point for the next 10 years and beyond.

What is at stake is the trust in government and democracy.

If there was a referendum to join the EU now, I doubt UK would vote to join.

The reality is this, the longer Brexit is delayed, the longer the uncertainty, and it is uncertainty that is hurting the UK.

I just want the government it get on with Brexit.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Must admit I would be quite intrigued to see the other side of Brexit and what it might offer. In many ways a more localised self sufficient model might have some attractions. But my suspicion is that localised has less to do with the economy and locality, and is driven more by racism. It would be good to see manufacturing return to Britain, but also probably totally unrealistic. I think the whole thing is driven by race, and it seems to be the same all over the world. So basically, if you aren't white it could get ugly.

 

[Robert]

Must admit I would be quite intrigued to see the other side of Brexit and what it might offer. In many ways a more localised self sufficient model might have some attractions. But my suspicion is that localised has less to do with the economy and locality, and is driven more by racism. It would be good to see manufacturing return to Britain, but also probably totally unrealistic. I think the whole thing is driven by race, and it seems to be the same all over the world. So basically, if you aren't white it could get ugly.

I don't think it offers anything except millions of lost jobs, repossessed family homes, poverty, gradually eroding public services, white people looking for someone to blame and therefore more and more overt racism.

 

[mustang]

How do those of you who live in England see the country's future post-Brexit?

Speaking to a few Asian friends they have already encountered a couple of incidents involving racist abuse. Do you think this is something that will get worse or things will calm down eventually?

Post-Brexit UK in many ways = post-Trump US. The far right fringe voices get louder and eventually society could have its self correcting mechanism from the opposing left side to restore balance (times when this does not happen for a long time = nazi Germany).

I do believe UK as an economic entity will start to become irrelevant. As of now UK's growth engine is like a car with sputtering engine driving downhill. It is maintaining its speed thanks to pre-built momentum and gravity. Once that fades, the engine ain't good enough to keep things going.

As opportunities become scarce in UK (which will happen given Brexit and UK in general becoming economically less relevant), then people will become desperate and fringe/far-right voices will arise for sure. As these rise up, counter-voices from far right muslim and other immigrant communities will also rise up. Expect communities to become more racially/ethnically polarized over time as a result.

 

[ElRaja]

we have a brexiter in charge of the opposition and a remainer in charge of brexit. ruling out no deal brexit at the outset lost britain any bargaining power it had, the negotiations have been an absolute shambles and the powers that be should be held accountable, i.e. be sent to prison for gross incompetence.

any outcome from here is likely to divide the country significantly, as mays proposed brexit will not be accepted by brexiters. its also easy to say brexit is only abt immigration, its simplifying matters greatly and lumping all brexiters into one category to aim as racists doesnt help. i read a quote once that tyranny is the deliberate removals of nuance, and that is exactly what has happened to british society and political discourse from every side since brexit.

as for individual experiences, i live in london so a, i have not experienced an increase in racism, and b, house prices have come down which is nice, as i dont have a house of my own.

also asians are the first to see racism in everything, just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they dislike you cos your an asian, there could be other things that put people off about you, like, urmmm, assuming them disliking could only be because they're racist.

 

[IMMY69]

we have a brexiter in charge of the opposition and a remainer in charge of brexit. ruling out no deal brexit at the outset lost britain any bargaining power it had, the negotiations have been an absolute shambles and the powers that be should be held accountable, i.e. be sent to prison for gross incompetence.

any outcome from here is likely to divide the country significantly, as mays proposed brexit will not be accepted by brexiters. its also easy to say brexit is only abt immigration, its simplifying matters greatly and lumping all brexiters into one category to aim as racists doesnt help. i read a quote once that tyranny is the deliberate removals of nuance, and that is exactly what has happened to british society and political discourse from every side since brexit.

as for individual experiences, i live in london so a, i have not experienced an increase in racism, and b, house prices have come down which is nice, as i dont have a house of my own.

also asians are the first to see racism in everything, just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they dislike you cos your an asian, there could be other things that put people off about you, like, urmmm, assuming them disliking could only be because they're racist.

You do realise that house prices coming down just means that it will be even more difficult for you to get on the ladder?

 

[mustang]

we have a brexiter in charge of the opposition and a remainer in charge of brexit. ruling out no deal brexit at the outset lost britain any bargaining power it had, the negotiations have been an absolute shambles and the powers that be should be held accountable, i.e. be sent to prison for gross incompetence.

any outcome from here is likely to divide the country significantly, as mays proposed brexit will not be accepted by brexiters. its also easy to say brexit is only abt immigration, its simplifying matters greatly and lumping all brexiters into one category to aim as racists doesnt help. i read a quote once that tyranny is the deliberate removals of nuance, and that is exactly what has happened to british society and political discourse from every side since brexit.

as for individual experiences, i live in london so a, i have not experienced an increase in racism, and b, house prices have come down which is nice, as i dont have a house of my own.

also asians are the first to see racism in everything, just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they dislike you cos your an asian, there could be other things that put people off about you, like, urmmm, assuming them disliking could only be because they're racist.

That highlighted section is spot on IMO. Britain in general seems screwed for the future. Isolationist economy, irrelevance in global economic stage, increasingly racially and communally divided society ... only way they seem to be carrying on is with us Americans propping them up as our pet poodle, and who knows how long that will last.

I hope the British politicians man the hell up and get their acts together - until then someone needs to tell them that UK is becoming more of a "has been" and not relevant in the global stage anymore.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

we have a brexiter in charge of the opposition and a remainer in charge of brexit. ruling out no deal brexit at the outset lost britain any bargaining power it had, the negotiations have been an absolute shambles and the powers that be should be held accountable, i.e. be sent to prison for gross incompetence.

any outcome from here is likely to divide the country significantly, as mays proposed brexit will not be accepted by brexiters. its also easy to say brexit is only abt immigration, its simplifying matters greatly and lumping all brexiters into one category to aim as racists doesnt help. i read a quote once that tyranny is the deliberate removals of nuance, and that is exactly what has happened to british society and political discourse from every side since brexit.

as for individual experiences, i live in london so a, i have not experienced an increase in racism, and b, house prices have come down which is nice, as i dont have a house of my own.

also asians are the first to see racism in everything, just because someone doesn't like you, doesn't mean they dislike you cos your an asian, there could be other things that put people off about you, like, urmmm, assuming them disliking could only be because they're racist.

As you said, you live in London so are living in a very multicultural place so why would you experience racism? How would you feel about moving to Cornwall or Devon though? Beautiful areas of the country by the way, but as far as I know, overwhelmingly white. My gut feeling is these are places which you are not going to see overt racism, but you would probably have to work your way into feeling welcome.

 

[msaaim89]

You do realise that house prices coming down just means that it will be even more difficult for you to get on the ladder?

Why would it be? People more reluctant to sell?

 

[ElRaja]

As you said, you live in London so are living in a very multicultural place so why would you experience racism? How would you feel about moving to Cornwall or Devon though? Beautiful areas of the country by the way, but as far as I know, overwhelmingly white. My gut feeling is these are places which you are not going to see overt racism, but you would probably have to work your way into feeling welcome.

i could never live anywhere other than London in the UK cos i love the pace and convenience of the city, and secondly my family and closest friends all live within a few miles of me. however i would say where ever ive been in the world, even to places where some people have told me racism is common i have never been subject to anything particularly exceptional.

i think the most apt comparable would be to say would i live in an overtly white neighbourhood in London, and would i feel welcome... to which id say yes i would to the former, and that the latter is largely inconsequential given British society has moved away from communal living. people are way to caught up in their own lives, which perhaps may be a but of a cop out of an answer, but i think for the most part its true.

That highlighted section is spot on IMO. Britain in general seems screwed for the future. Isolationist economy, irrelevance in global economic stage, increasingly racially and communally divided society ... only way they seem to be carrying on is with us Americans propping them up as our pet poodle, and who knows how long that will last.

I hope the British politicians man the hell up and get their acts together - until then someone needs to tell them that UK is becoming more of a "has been" and not relevant in the global stage anymore.

dont see the point of comparing the uk to the usa, no country competes against the american economy. however i would say points regarding communal, economic and social division are as applicable to the us as the uk.

You do realise that house prices coming down just means that it will be even more difficult for you to get on the ladder?

im confused, the price reversal of the last two or so years, london properties down 5% or so, and more likely to agree to discounting on closing, has allowed me time to put together a deposit which in the previous years would have seen house prices appreciate 15% by the time i would have got the money together. imo the end of this year would be a decent time to buy.

yes aggressively marketed 5% downpayment type mortgages are thin on the ground but id rather have a conservative ltv and more manageable monthly repayments.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I've never been to UK from from outside looking in it seems like there are a lot of desies there and its pretty multicultural .It also seems like White people there have been more accepting or open to our culture . Am I wrong in my assumption ? . How does the racism in UK compare to what you see in he U.S . Would you feel safer in the U.S or U.K ?

 

[Markhor]

I've never been to UK from from outside looking in it seems like there are a lot of desies there and its pretty multicultural .It also seems like White people there have been more accepting or open to our culture . Am I wrong in my assumption ? . How does the racism in UK compare to what you see in he U.S . Would you feel safer in the U.S or U.K ?

It is definitely more welcoming for immigrants and minorities than Eastern or Southern Europe where far-right parties have made significant advances.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-on-immigration-benefits-than-other-europeans

However many of these working class anti-immigration folks are hypocrites. They'll bash immigrants for being a drain on the welfare system yet immigrants take less in welfare than natives. They complain immigrants are straining public services like the NHS yet will happily use the services provided from foreign doctors and nurses. They bash immigrants for not learning the language yet do these British expats living it up on the coast of France and Spain learn the local language ?! Hell no.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

It is definitely more welcoming for immigrants and minorities than Eastern or Southern Europe where far-right parties have made significant advances.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-on-immigration-benefits-than-other-europeans

However many of these working class anti-immigration folks are hypocrites. They'll bash immigrants for being a drain on the welfare system yet immigrants take less in welfare than natives. They complain immigrants are straining public services like the NHS yet will happily use the services provided from foreign doctors and nurses. They bash immigrants for not learning the language yet do these British expats living it up on the coast of France and Spain learn the local language ?! Hell no.

hmmm , the info.I wonder how they compare to the U.S though .

 

[The Viper]

Stormzy says UK is 'definitely racist' and Boris Johnson has made it worse

Spoiler

The grime star says the prime minister is a "figurehead" whose behaviour "encourages hate among others".

Stormzy says Britain is "definitely" racist and it has got worse since Boris Johnson became prime minister.

The grime artist made the comments in an interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica where he was asked if Britain was still racist.

He said: "Definitely, 100%. It's like: 'Oh no, we're not racist'. But there's a lot of racism in the country.

"The difficult thing with the UK is, as you said, in Italy it's a clear problem, whereas trying to explain that Britain is a racist country [to a British person] is the most difficult thing ever.

"They think: 'No, it's not. Stormzy you're successful. Look at London, there's loads of black people …' It's a more difficult case to fight."

Stormzy, who has just released his second album, Heavy is the Head, said the prime minister was a "figurehead" whose comments encourage racism.

He said: "If the top person can openly say this racist thing - the 'piccaninnies' remarks, 'watermelon smiles', comparing Muslim women to a letter box - if that is our figurehead, the top man, the leader we have to follow, and he openly says these things, he encourages hate among others."

Since Mr Johnson entered Downing Street, racism in Britain was worse as people who hold racist views felt emboldened to express them, he said.

"Before, people had to hide their racism. If you felt something bad about black people, about Muslims, you had to shut up.

"Now these people have the confidence to come out in public to say everything. This is scary to me, that scares the s*** out of me."

Chancellor Sajid Javid had a pithy reply, saying on twitter that the rapper is "100% wrong".

Stormzy - real name Michael Ebenazer Kwadjo Omari Owuo - said he would have to think carefully before accepting an MBE or OBE because of the British empire.

He said: "It's got a very dark history. You know, Britain colonised everywhere. It's something I'd look into and decide in case of."

Stormzy supported Labour in the recent general election and described Jeremy Corbyn, as the first man in a position of power who is "committed to giving power back to the people and helping those who need a helping hand from the government the most".

Downing Street has been asked to comment.

https://news.sky.com/story/stormzy-...1892070?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&utm_source=Direct

 

[Robert]

How do those of you who live in England see the country's future post-Brexit?

Speaking to a few Asian friends they have already encountered a couple of incidents involving racist abuse. Do you think this is something that will get worse or things will calm down eventually?

Racist incidents have spiked since the GE last week.

What we can expect is a gradual slowdown of the economy after we leave the EU. Services will be eroded further. The PM will seek to demonise BAME people further to distract from this.

 

[msaaim89]

Racist incidents have spiked since the GE last week.

What we can expect is a gradual slowdown of the economy after we leave the EU. Services will be eroded further. The PM will seek to demonise BAME people further to distract from this.

Are there any stats behind the first statement?

Don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as some make it out to be.

 

[Technics 1210]

Looking forward to it. An incredible opportunity to rebuild the country. Sure it will be tough, but so too were the years of austerity.

This country has experienced far worse than leaving a political union.

 

[shaz619]

Well, the asians who voted Tory have plenty to look forward to considering how amusing it is for muslims to suffer abuse and violence in their eyes, I wish they would convert back to Islam

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well, the asians who voted Tory have plenty to look forward to considering how amusing it is for muslims to suffer abuse and violence in their eyes, I wish they would convert back to Islam

These imbeciles will even defend the racists if their family is abused by them. Coconuts need to realise, the white on the inside never transfers to the outside.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Looks like NHS is on the cards now.

Both Boris and Corbyn focusing on it in their Christmas speeches. We’ll soon be seeing Torries start selling it bit by bit.

 

[Knight_Rider]

These imbeciles will even defend the racists if their family is abused by them. Coconuts need to realise, the white on the inside never transfers to the outside.

I am a pro-remainer but I understand the pov of many Asians who supported Brexit. Many see a the poor east Europeans like Romas and poles as direct competitors in the low end job market and the Social benefits queue. Also talking to a few Brit Asians, I realise that they are genuinely unaware of bigger implications of Brexit (like inflation, tax rises and contracting economy for EVERYONE in the country)

 

[Firebat]

Priti Patel sets out post-Brexit immigration plan - including health and care visa

A fast-track health and care visa has been unveiled as part of plans for the UK's points-based immigration system for when freedom of movement ends.

Home Secretary Priti Patel said employers would be encouraged to invest in workers from within the UK.

But the new system, she added, would also allow them to "attract the best and brightest from around the world".

The new system is set to come into force on New Year's Day, immediately ending freedom of movement with the EU.

Under the government's plans for after the Brexit transition period ends, those wishing to live and work in the UK must gain 70 points.

Points would be awarded for meeting criteria such as having a job offer, holding a PhD relevant to the job, speaking English or earning more than £22,000 a year.

Those with job offers in "shortage occupations" such as nursing and civil engineering would also be able to earn extra points.

Labour said it would scrutinise the proposals "very carefully", saying the government had "rushed through immigration legislation with very little detail in the middle of a global pandemic".

In a written ministerial statement to the House of Commons, Ms Patel said: "At a time where an increased number of people across the UK are looking for work, the new points-based system will encourage employers to invest in the domestic UK workforce, rather than simply relying on labour from abroad.

"But we are also making necessary changes, so it is simpler for employers to attract the best and brightest from around the world to come to the UK to complement the skills we already have."

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The new health and care visa will have a reduced fee. Those applying for it should expect a reply within three weeks, the government said.

The visa will be open to workers who have a confirmed job offer in one of a series of defined "skilled" roles within the NHS, or care sector or for NHS service providers, such as doctors, nurses, radiographers, social workers and paramedics.

Ms Patel said frontline health workers would not have to pay the Immigration Health Surcharge - the fee of up to £400 a year most migrants who have not been granted permanent residency in the UK need to pay to receive NHS care.

However, social care workers would not be able to take advantage of the new health and care visa, Downing Street confirmed.

The prime minister's official spokesman said the government wanted employers to invest more in training and development for people already in the UK to become care workers, and had provided additional funding to support the sector.

The GMB union, representing NHS staff, described the new rules as an "embarrassing shambles", criticising the exclusion of care workers and NHS contractors from the visa, and saying the salary thresholds meant many cleaners, porters and support staff would also not qualify.

Ms Patel also said the visa process for students was being refined, with a new graduate route being launched next summer to "help retain the brightest and the best students to contribute to the UK post-study".

International students would be able to stay for a minimum of two years after finishing their studies, she said.

The paper also confirms that foreign criminals who have been jailed for more than a year could be banned from coming to the UK and foreign nationals already in the UK who have been sentenced to a year or more in prison "must be considered for deportation".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53382818

 

[Saj]

This is a good read and something that no doubt many can relate to.

After a year of being in lockdown, the one thing I was looking forward to was going shopping. On the weekend my mum and I took a trip to Harrods. It was lovely weather, the sun was shining, everyone was smiling and happy to be out. We got there early and stood in the queue.

I decided to take some pictures of the atmosphere in London as it was really nice to see that people were sitting outside and some ready to shop. As I was taking pictures I heard, “No foreigners”, and I saw this lady sitting outside the department store on the bench looking directly at me, with a smirk. I put my phone to the side and asked her, “Are you talking to me?” She replied in English, half laughing, “I don’t talk English.” I was in shock, I looked at my mum who was in the queue and told her what this lady had said to me. I stood there and just felt blank, hurt and angry at the same time.

The first thought that came to mind was, what is wrong with foreign people? I thought about the NHS staff who saved lives during the pandemic. They are people of all backgrounds and many of them are from abroad. Upsettingly, no one nearby said anything to the woman.

She then started talking to a lady sitting next to her and kept looking over at me and they both started laughing. I felt really uncomfortable and awkward. I walked over to my mum and we just looked at each other with blank expressions. Harrods opened and I saw the lady walk through the doors. My mum and I just couldn’t believe what had happened. This store is run by foreigners.

I am born and bred in this country and my parents, even though they are immigrants, have worked hard all their lives. They have never taken a penny from the government. They came here to work and they have always given back to the country through charitable work. They faced a lot of racist comments when they first came to the UK. I haven’t had as much as them and this experience really knocked me for six.

In the past I have had words like P*ki shouted at me in the street, I’ve had something thrown out of the bus window at my mum and I have heard my dad being called a terrorist after 9/11 because he wears a turban, but I am still shocked by what happened outside Harrods. I kept thinking of ways I should have approached it. I should have said: “Do you know where your ancestors are from? What’s your issue with foreigners? Many of them are the ones who work so hard in this country.”

I felt I had to share this, so I did on my socials and the post went viral. I had a lot of support, which was really heart-warming to receive. It was comforting to hear how strongly people were against racism. Many also shared their own stories of racism in today’s multicultural Britain.

Racism existed before and it does now and it needs to stop. I am sick of hearing the deeply painful experiences so many people of colour have to go through.

For anyone who thinks it’s funny to be racist, please think before you speak, as it really does hurt. I have a right to be in this country, as do many others. I am the daughter of the skipping Sikh whose exercise videos during lockdown went viral. He raised thousands of pounds for NHS charities during the pandemic. Is he not welcome either because he is “foreign”?

I cannot believe how cruel and heartless some people are. After a horrible year, why can’t people be kind, love one another and understand it doesn’t matter where you’re from? We all have one thing in common: we have the same blood and we can all learn from each other’s backgrounds.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...nd-proves-otherwise/ar-BB1fSSCI?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Robert]

When Johnson gets round to a trade deal with India, Modi will require more visas.

So more brown faces on UK streets.

Which the white racists who voted Leave will not like.