POTUS Biden in East Jerusalem - compares plight of Palestinians with Irish Catholics under British

[Robert]

https://www.irishtimes.com/video/wo...-fundamentally-unlike-the-palestinian-people/

US president Joe Biden has compared the plight of Palestinians under Israel to that of Irish Catholics under Britain, in a speech on his first official visit to the Middle East.

President Biden opened his speech at the East Jerusalem Hospital Network Event to refer to his own Irish-American background.

“My background and the background of my family is Irish American, and we have a long history of — not fundamentally unlike the Palestinian people with Great Britain and their attitude toward Irish Catholics over the years, for 400 years.

He then went on to quote from a Seamus Heaney poem ‘The Cure at Troy’, which although he said was “classically Irish”, it “could fit Palestinians”.

“There’s a great poem from ‘The Cure at Troy’ — a paragraph. It goes like this — and it’s classically Irish, but it also could fit Palestinians. It says: ‘History [teaches us not to] hope On this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime [That] longed-for tidal wave Of justice [rises] up, And hope and history rhyme.’

“‘Hope and history rhyme.’ It is my prayer that we’re reaching one of those moments where hope and history rhyme.”



Of course some British right wing types are upset, but I think the analogy is historically appropriate.

 

[finalfantasy7]

https://www.irishtimes.com/video/wo...-fundamentally-unlike-the-palestinian-people/

US president Joe Biden has compared the plight of Palestinians under Israel to that of Irish Catholics under Britain, in a speech on his first official visit to the Middle East.

President Biden opened his speech at the East Jerusalem Hospital Network Event to refer to his own Irish-American background.

“My background and the background of my family is Irish American, and we have a long history of — not fundamentally unlike the Palestinian people with Great Britain and their attitude toward Irish Catholics over the years, for 400 years.

He then went on to quote from a Seamus Heaney poem ‘The Cure at Troy’, which although he said was “classically Irish”, it “could fit Palestinians”.

“There’s a great poem from ‘The Cure at Troy’ — a paragraph. It goes like this — and it’s classically Irish, but it also could fit Palestinians. It says: ‘History [teaches us not to] hope On this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime [That] longed-for tidal wave Of justice [rises] up, And hope and history rhyme.’

“‘Hope and history rhyme.’ It is my prayer that we’re reaching one of those moments where hope and history rhyme.”



Of course some British right wing types are upset, but I think the analogy is historically appropriate.

yet another story, just ink and nothing else though robert, UK support to the israeli - why has it never been looked into?

 

[Robert]

yet another story, just ink and nothing else though robert, UK support to the israeli - why has it never been looked into?

Your question seems to have no bearing on the article. Why has what never been looked into by whom?

Biden is attempting to find common ground with the Palestinians by a invoking Irish history.

Biden appears to have offered support for the Palestinians and repeated Bush 43’s roadmap to a two state solution with Israel withdrawing to its 1967 borders.

 

[shaz619]

Your question seems to have no bearing on the article. Why has what never been looked into by whom?

Biden is attempting to find common ground with the Palestinians by a invoking Irish history.

Biden appears to have offered support for the Palestinians and repeated Bush 43’s roadmap to a two state solution with Israel withdrawing to its 1967 borders.

These are just words and fairytales….

 

[shaz619]

yet another story, just ink and nothing else though robert, UK support to the israeli - why has it never been looked into?

Trade is the crux of it, we’re happy to contribute to blood shed so long the money keeps coming in so relations with the likes of Israel and Saudi will always remain cordial

 

[James]

If Biden to be considered an Irish Catholic then in the UK we would have 20 million. The line of ancestry is phenomenally weak. His surname is of Anglo-Saxon English origin and was originally given to craftsmen who made buttons.

He is also a hypocrite- as if he cares about the Palestinians. The US for a long time has been one of the most consistently pro Israel nations on the planet, including when he spent 8 years as VP & during his own administration this has not materially changed either.

Biden has nothing to add to global affairs.

 

[Robert]

If Biden to be considered an Irish Catholic then in the UK we would have 20 million. The line of ancestry is phenomenally weak. His surname is of Anglo-Saxon English origin and was originally given to craftsmen who made buttons.

He is also a hypocrite- as if he cares about the Palestinians. The US for a long time has been one of the most consistently pro Israel nations on the planet, including when he spent 8 years as VP & during his own administration this has not materially changed either.

Biden has nothing to add to global affairs.

Don’t shoot the messenger, hear the message.

He’s right about the last 400 years in Ireland prior to the GFA, don’t you think? Land confiscations, forced displacements, Drogheda Massacre, Catholics treated as second class citizens, Potato Famine, Internment without trial, Bloody Sunday?

Sounds a lot like what has happened and is still happening to the Palestinians to me.

 

[shaz619]

Don’t shoot the messenger, hear the message.

He’s right about the last 400 years in Ireland prior to the GFA, don’t you think? Land confiscations, forced displacements, Drogheda Massacre, Catholics treated as second class citizens, Potato Famine, Internment without trial, Bloody Sunday?

Sounds a lot like what has happened and is still happening to the Palestinians to me.

Isn’t it moronic to bend down and kiss the butt cheeks of a hypocrite speaking that message though and trying to play of his “authentic” Irish heritage.

I could have literally told you the same in the OP + you are aware of it already anyway, what do you find so attractive about the war mongering hypocrite speaking these words, what is it doing for you may I ask?

 

[Robert]

Isn’t it moronic to bend down and kiss the butt cheeks of a hypocrite speaking that message though and trying to play of his “authentic” Irish heritage.

I could have literally told you the same in the OP + you are aware of it already anyway, what do you find so attractive about the war mongering hypocrite speaking these words, what is it doing for you may I ask?

Strange post.

POTUS has compared the current persecution of the Palestinians with the historic persecution of the Irish Catholics. An appropriate analogy, I think.

Doing for me? Perhaps an opportunity to reflect on the imperial history of Britain in Ireland, and consider the Palestinian situation in the light of that metaphor.

 

[James]

Don’t shoot the messenger, hear the message.

He’s right about the last 400 years in Ireland prior to the GFA, don’t you think? Land confiscations, forced displacements, Drogheda Massacre, Catholics treated as second class citizens, Potato Famine, Internment without trial, Bloody Sunday?

Sounds a lot like what has happened and is still happening to the Palestinians to me.

I think the point is right but it is coming from completely the wrong person.

I would not have an issue with Biden’s sense of Irishness if he did not have to remind everyone all the time about it. It’s really tiresome.

US is also very pro Israel. Biden as President has the chance to do something about this and to genuinely support the greatly oppressed Palestinians.

When these conditions are met, fair enough.

 

[Technics 1210]

American government is known to fund IRA terrorists, thus the comparison by Sleepy Senile Joe is laughable.

 

[Robert]

I think the point is right but it is coming from completely the wrong person.

I would not have an issue with Biden’s sense of Irishness if he did not have to remind everyone all the time about it. It’s really tiresome.

US is also very pro Israel. Biden as President has the chance to do something about this and to genuinely support the greatly oppressed Palestinians.

When these conditions are met, fair enough.

Yanks are strange about their ancestry. They call themselves Irish or Polaks or Italians or Krauts despite having eight generations on American soil.

I’m grateful for Biden’s sense of identity as it was one of the factors which prevented Bodge from scrapping the GFA.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Senile old man just reading a script written for him by some idiot American with no knowledge of history or reality.

Ireland was/is a conflict between Christians.

Palestine has been occupied by Jewish Zionist terrorists , given to them by British imperial conquest and protected by histories biggest state terrorist, USA.

The average Brit or Yank might think Palestinians care or respect Americans or Brits but they hate them

 

[James]

The average Brit or Yank might think Palestinians care or respect Americans or Brits but they hate them

Yes, I can imagine.

We deserve it.

 

[Robert]

Yes, I can imagine.

We deserve it.

My English Doctor friend does not. She has made numerous trips to the Occupied Territories, building shelter and providing free health care to dispossessed Palestinians.

But if they hate our government, that’s OK. The Irish Republicans hated our government which deserved that too. Then the GFA changed all that.

France and Germany were at each other’s throat for centuries, then they reconciled by way of the structures which underpin the EU.

South Africa was on the point of race war, then the two sides reconciled.

If a 400-year enmity in Europe can end, then a 75-year in the Middle East can too. I refuse to listen to the cynical voices on this thread. I will not be pulled down into their pit of misery. I choose the possibility of peace and reconciliation.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My English Doctor friend does not. She has made numerous trips to the Occupied Territories, building shelter and providing free health care to dispossessed Palestinians.

But if they hate our government, that’s OK. The Irish Republicans hated our government which deserved that too. Then the GFA changed all that.

France and Germany were at each other’s throat for centuries, then they reconciled by way of the structures which underpin the EU.

South Africa was on the point of race war, then the two sides reconciled.

If a 400-year enmity in Europe can end, then a 75-year in the Middle East can too. I refuse to listen to the cynical voices on this thread. I will not be pulled down into their pit of misery. I choose the possibility of peace and reconciliation.

You support occupation and aggression in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now in Ukraine.


Brits have been changing their pics to Ukrainian flags, as you have. Palestine has been suffering for much longer, in apartheid now. Yet you wouldn't even dream of changing your flag to Palestinians.

 

[Technics 1210]

You support occupation and aggression in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now in Ukraine.


Brits have been changing their pics to Ukrainian flags, as you have. Palestine has been suffering for much longer, in apartheid now. Yet you wouldn't even dream of changing your flag to Palestinians.

Liberalism support flags of Western Christian nations only. The last profile pic solidarity stunt was the French flag, after Charlie Hebdo attacks. Plus it is an outright lie that Liberalism seeks peace, remember it was the Liberals of the West who had a problem with Trump when he reached out to Russia and North Korea. Western Liberals will not condemn Bush or Blair, or demand they are tried for war crimes because wait for this, they are Christian leaders - “oh it was a mistake but they were doing God’s work.”

Talk about Yemen, talk about Palestine, talk about millions dying in Africa, it all falls on deaf ears. Criticise Isreal, question the Holocaust, and liberals from East to West are offended followed by a melodramatic meltdown.

The reality is Amreeka and Isreal will never want peace in the Middle East, the Judeo-Christian alliance guarantees this fact, and this alliance masquerades behind Liberalism, the face of fascism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Liberalism support flags of Western Christian nations only. The last profile pic solidarity stunt was the French flag, after Charlie Hebdo attacks. Plus it is an outright lie that Liberalism seeks peace, remember it was the Liberals of the West who had a problem with Trump when he reached out to Russia and North Korea. Western Liberals will not condemn Bush or Blair, or demand they are tried for war crimes because wait for this, they are Christian leaders - “oh it was a mistake but they were doing God’s work.”

Talk about Yemen, talk about Palestine, talk about millions dying in Africa, it all falls on deaf ears. Criticise Isreal, question the Holocaust, and liberals from East to West are offended followed by a melodramatic meltdown.

The reality is Amreeka and Isreal will never want peace in the Middle East, the Judeo-Christian alliance guarantees this fact, and this alliance masquerades behind Liberalism, the face of fascism.

Couldn't of put this any better!

This new age of strange liberalism is taught like a child to the public in these lands. It will tell you what to feel, what to think, who to condmen and who to support.

Thankfully there are a few people in Europe who keep their self respect and ability to think, they condemn Zionism, point out history and point out hypocrisy but the owned media is then used to silence them. But sadly very very few.