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A very in depth examination of the reasons for problems that Pakistan cricket faces and its downfall is this weeks POTW

Congratulations [MENTION=129075]CricketingMinds[/MENTION]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ce-behind-Pakistan-s-downfall-in-recent-years

In order to understand the real reason behind our cricket's downfall you have to study the human brain, it's development and cultural impact on the brain.

Growing up in poor communities
I think it is fair to say that majority of the cricketers in the domestic and international team come from a poor background.

0-6 years old
An infant growing up in a household where there are not enough books to read, museums or libraries to visit, where parents are struggling to make ends meet for a large number of children, it is highly likely that an infant growing up in these adverse circumstances faces a lot of "stress" or "turbulence" or "unstable environments"

On top of that, there is lack of clean water and adequate nutritious food for this infant.

0 - 6 years is the prime time for the brain and neural activies to develop. And neuroscients and pedreatrics conclude that two major factors contributing to a healthy brain development for a 0-6 yr old are:
- Attachment & Stress Management
- Nutrition.

So how does adversity impacts the brain development for a 0-6 year old?

Adversity, especially in early childhood, has a powerful effect on the development of the intricate stressresponse network within each of us that links together the brain, the immune system, and the endocrine system (the glands that produce and release stress hormones, including cortisol). Especially in early childhood, this complex network is highly sensitive to environmental cues; it is constantly looking for signals
from the environment to tell it what to expect in the days and years ahead. When those signals suggest that life is going to be hard, the network reacts by preparing for trouble: raising blood pressure, increasing the production of adrenaline, heightening vigilance.

In the short term, this may have benefits, especially in a dangerous environment: When your threat-detection system — sometimes referred to as your fight-or-flight response — is on high alert, you are always prepared for trouble, and you can react to it quickly.

But experienced over the longer term, these adaptations also cause an array of physiological problems: They tend to lead to a compromised immune system, metabolic shifts and brain development.

High levels of stress, especially in early childhood, hinder the development of a child’s prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain that
controls our subtlest and most complex intellectual functions, as well as our ability to regulate ourselves both emotionally and cognitively.


On an emotional level, chronic early stress — what many researchers now call toxic stress — can make it difficult for children to moderate their responses to disappointments and provocations. Small setbacks feel like crushing defeats; tiny slights turn into serious confrontations. In school, a highly sensitive stress-response system constantly on the lookout for threats can produce patterns of behavior that are self-defeating:
fighting, talking back, acting up in class, and also, more subtly, going through each day perpetually wary of connection with peers and resistant to outreach from teachers and other adults.

On a cognitive level, growing up in a chaotic and unstable environment — and experiencing the chronic elevated stress that such an environment produces —disrupts the development of a set of skills, controlled
by the prefrontal cortex, known as executive functions.
Executive functions, which include working memory, self-regulation,
and cognitive flexibility, are the developmental building blocks — the neurological infrastructure — underpinning noncognitive abilities like resilience and perseverance. They are exceptionally helpful in navigating
unfamiliar situations and processing new information, which is exactly what we ask children to do at school every day. When a child’s executive functions aren’t fully developed, those school days, with their complicated
directions and constant distractions, become a never-ending exercise in frustration.


7 to Teenage years

So what happens in later years when the child's Executive Function have not developed?

Well, let's examine what do we as a society ask of these young children as they move into a more complex and complicated life:

Child starts schooling, playing sports, working outside.

All the above 3 activities require the child to "learn quickly". And learning requires a healthy executive function...So that in cases where the child faces obstacles, he/she is able to manage his/her frustrations well and self-regulate his/her feelings and thoughts in those moments of 'stress' (when things aren't going well).

However, due to poor functions Executive Function, the child is unable to manage his/her frustrations well and is more likely to give up more easily.

THIS "COULD" BE THE REASON WHY WE SEE EXCELLENT PERFORMANCES IN THE BEGINNING FROM A CRICKETER (BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE TALENT IN PAKISTAN) BUT THOSE TALENTED CRICKETERS QUICKLY FADE AWAY WHEN FACED WITH FAILURES AND OBSTACLES...THEY DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY (WITH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN) TO DEAL WITH OBSTACLES AND FAILURES - E.G. AMIR, JUNAID KHAN, UMAR AKMAL, AHMAD SHAHZAD, ETC.

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So what can be done to improve the players' ability to deal with setbacks and failures?

First and foremost it is important for these kids or cricketers to understand the neuroscience behind why they are unable to cope with failure. Then there are three (3) ways in which the situation can be addressed:

1. Cultural Impact
2. Early Childhood Interventions
3. Late Interventions

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1. Culture Impact

These players need 1 - 2 strong leaders in the team environment who understand the psychology of failure and setbacks and help their teammates deal with these situations.

In 1980s and 1990s we had strong leadership in Imran Khan and Miandad who created and cultivated an environment of hard-work and fighting-back. Luckily for Wasim, Waqar and Inzi, they grew up in that environment that helped them succeed in their careers.

But because these guys weren't the authentic leaders like Imran who brought this culture of "never give up, fight-back, get-back-up-after-failures" it was hard for them to pass on this culture of grit and dealing with failure to the next generation.

And this could potentially be another reason why our cricket has seen a huge downfall since the departure of superstars like Imran, Miandad, Wasim, Waqar, etc.

So what is needed now?
We need 1-2 strong personalities in the dressing room, whether its the captain or the coach or the physiotherapist or a mental-skills-coach...doesn't matter...but there must be 1-2 people in the dressing room who understand the psychology of failure and help others deal with failures

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2. Early Childhood Interventions

In North America, there are tons of programs that focus on improving the brain development of a child (0-6y) through:
a) Relationship Improvment: Training parents on better parenting techniques that fosters a healthy brain development
b) Health Improvment: Educating the parents and caregivers on better nutrition and providing access to better quality food
c) Cognitive Skills: Social workers spend time with the infants by reading them books, playing with them and talking to them that helps improve the infants cognitive skills.

Given the lack of financial resources in Pakistan, I hardly doubt this can ever be implemented by the govt.

But since Pakistan is one of the largest charity giving nations, you never know if an NGO props up providing the above services for the poor.

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3. Late Interventions

In sports, #1. Culture Impact, is an example of Late Intervention, where a leader in the environment intervenes to help build stronger grit and mental capabilities of young cricketers.

Outside of sports, there can be programs for the youth where they are provided with:

- Mentors: To create a bond with youngsters. Someone who the youth can trust. Someone who can guide and advice the youth on the right path, streering him/her away from the evil.

- Skill Building Workshops: Teaching them hard skills and soft skills (e.g. Computer Programming, Financial Literacy, Public Speaking, etc.) that are required for the job market of the future.

- Field Trips: To museums, leadership conferences, tech incubators, etc. to showcase the poor kids the possibilities and realities of life that they usually don't get access to. This would potentially raise their aspirations.

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What are your thoughts?
 
That is a very unique post.

I cant say I agree and the supposed science quoted will need references to be taken seriously and the central argument does not hold up with regards to other players, nations and sports.

But a well deserved potw, I like the unusual aspect of the post, havent read anything like this on pp before it could and should open up a lot of debate.
 
Well deserved.

PP team: I've a request:

The next time you interview a coach working at NCA or PSL team or Misbah / Waqar - I'd like to know what tactics do they use to help players who are going through a rough patch and how'd they help them regain confidence / help them recover from failures?

I'm very interested in knowing whether anyone in the Pakistani cricket ecosystem is working actively on strengthening the mental skills of our players?

Thank you.
 
Very well deserved.

Showcases the challenge there are in managing the careers of our players from less privileged backgrounds, where set backs in performances more or less results in an end to their chances of playing at the international level.

This will continue until we raise the under-privileged in Pakistan and invest in people and education/health, which has been non-existent for the last 30 years due to corrupt and criminal leadership.
 
Well deserved.

Very well deserved.

Showcases the challenge there are in managing the careers of our players from less privileged backgrounds, where set backs in performances more or less results in an end to their chances of playing at the international level.

This will continue until we raise the under-privileged in Pakistan and invest in people and education/health, which has been non-existent for the last 30 years due to corrupt and criminal leadership.

I certainly do want to acknowledge one thing here that I feel I didn't do a good job of explaining in the original post:

I mentioned that the stressful and turbulent circumstances of the underprivileged kids impairs the development of the all important EXECUTIVE FUNCTION of the brain.

This does not mean that the rich kids don't face the same scenario. Rich kids can have impaired executive function as well given that during their childhood they are neglected by their caregivers. That neglect is what can create a stressful / turbulent environment for them because when they go through rough times (0-6years) and the parent is not there to provide love, support, etc. then he/she develops the FIGHT OR FLIGHT functionality as well leading to an impairment of the executive function of the brain.

For the kids from affluent families there is another potential roadblock: Lack of Failures.

I'm not sure if this happens too much in Pakistan, but certainly does in North America: when attending school at ages 5-18, most (not all) parents in North America protect their child from all kinds of failure. If they do poorly in academia, it's fairly routine for the parents to go fight with the teacher and put the blame on the teacher for the failure. These parents artificially inflate the confidence of their kids which also leads to arrogance and lack of empathy. Moreover, the kid never develops the FEEDBACK SYSTEM: A system that provides feedback for improvement for the kid. Hence, the kid avoids improving and becomes numb to constructive criticism. This state according to Stanford Psychologist, Dr Carol Dweck, is a symptom of a FIXED MINDSET.

Neuroscience says that failure is like a muscle. The more you exercise it constructively the better you become at handling failures.
However, you need a coach, mentor, teacher or a parent to constantly provide you with that constructive feedback that allows you to learn from your mistake.
Note: Poor kids when they fail, they usually (not always) don't have a good system for receiving constructive feedback. Hence, the repeated failures doesn't always help them become better and they never learn how to cope with failures.

Bottomline: Failures are good way to learn as long as you are open to analyzing your failures (GROWTH MINDSET - as per Dr Carol Dweck) and are not defensive towards people constructively criticizing you and helping you learn. Aka you need a strong coach / mentor whether you are rich or poor.
 
I certainly do want to acknowledge one thing here that I feel I didn't do a good job of explaining in the original post:

I mentioned that the stressful and turbulent circumstances of the underprivileged kids impairs the development of the all important EXECUTIVE FUNCTION of the brain.

This does not mean that the rich kids don't face the same scenario. Rich kids can have impaired executive function as well given that during their childhood they are neglected by their caregivers. That neglect is what can create a stressful / turbulent environment for them because when they go through rough times (0-6years) and the parent is not there to provide love, support, etc. then he/she develops the FIGHT OR FLIGHT functionality as well leading to an impairment of the executive function of the brain.

For the kids from affluent families there is another potential roadblock: Lack of Failures.

I'm not sure if this happens too much in Pakistan, but certainly does in North America: when attending school at ages 5-18, most (not all) parents in North America protect their child from all kinds of failure. If they do poorly in academia, it's fairly routine for the parents to go fight with the teacher and put the blame on the teacher for the failure. These parents artificially inflate the confidence of their kids which also leads to arrogance and lack of empathy. Moreover, the kid never develops the FEEDBACK SYSTEM: A system that provides feedback for improvement for the kid. Hence, the kid avoids improving and becomes numb to constructive criticism. This state according to Stanford Psychologist, Dr Carol Dweck, is a symptom of a FIXED MINDSET.

Neuroscience says that failure is like a muscle. The more you exercise it constructively the better you become at handling failures.
However, you need a coach, mentor, teacher or a parent to constantly provide you with that constructive feedback that allows you to learn from your mistake.
Note: Poor kids when they fail, they usually (not always) don't have a good system for receiving constructive feedback. Hence, the repeated failures doesn't always help them become better and they never learn how to cope with failures.

Bottomline: Failures are good way to learn as long as you are open to analyzing your failures (GROWTH MINDSET - as per Dr Carol Dweck) and are not defensive towards people constructively criticizing you and helping you learn. Aka you need a strong coach / mentor whether you are rich or poor.

I wanted to understand how did Shoaib Dhoni Waqar succeeded..they come from very humble backgrounds
 
I wanted to understand how did Shoaib Dhoni Waqar succeeded..they come from very humble backgrounds

Only Dhoni, Shoaib and Waqar can tell us who were their mentors who really helped them when they were deep down stuck in a hole and nearing failures...who motivated them and how...and how they used that learning and applied it to their training, mindset, etc.
 
Overall a very good, well thought out and researched post. Although like [MENTION=146504]barah_admi[/MENTION] I tend to disagree about a few things due to my personal experiences.

19 years ago I left my job and a budding career to help my family get out of legal troubles. All my siblings are younger than me. Our combined family had financial stability. I solved legal troubles, set up a small business and helped two of my bros set up their careers. But after 9 years, my life took a major u turn once again when my parents kicked me out of the house with no job, no business (family took over and sold to my partner for peanuts) and no income - with a wife and a learning challenged son suffering post viral encephalitis.

I found out that my skills are no longer current or needed in my field. Acquiring new skills required money and I had to pay rent and put food on the table. Finally I managed to secure a job I otherwise wouldn't have touched with a long pole during my good days. I ended up in a mid sized relatively unknown town where not many people knew me.

Now the part of the story starts due to which I beg to differ with [MENTION=129075]CricketingMinds[/MENTION]. I found my inspiration and learned essential life skills from the same people he claims of having problems with mental aspects. There were people working with me who took pride in landing the same job I hated. They started and reached there from the very bottom of social ladder. Nearly all of them were tough and never fazed by any major or minor problems in their professional or personal lives. They also enjoyed their lives more than I ever did in my prior middle class existence.

Taking a leaf out of their book I have finally almost solved all of my life's problems in last 10 years culminating in me building a nice home for my family which became ready last month. I work at the same place in albeit in a much better position. My son aged 12 is considered slightly better than average student now who couldn't grasp alphabet or counting till 8. Of course a lot of hard work and special need courses were required to achieve this.

Overall life is beautiful and I feel these experiences have made me a better human. I thank Allah now that if I haven't suffered through these hardships, I would have been an ignorant person not understanding my fellow humans.
 
It’s a wonderful post, but I think it misses the elephant in the room.

Religion.

Almost every major western country (apart from the USA and Poland) is now post-religious.

And the USA cannot compete in any team sports and is reduced to calling domestic competitions the World Series!

The OP talks of stages of development, but to me the key decision point is between operating according to faith or operating according to analysis of facts.

If you look at the Pakistan Test squad in Australia, it was crippled before it arrived. And it was crippled because Azhar, Iftikhar, Imran, Musa and Yasir had been picked in spite of the evidence against their selection.

They were picked on faith, not facts, and predictably there was no happy ending.

So I agree with the developmental phases, but I would add that being brought up in a society which values faith is devastating to sporting performance. It compromises the ability to analyse.

I apologise to anyone this offends, it’s just my spin on a very good original post.
 
And the USA cannot compete in any team sports and is reduced to calling domestic competitions the World Series!

The US dominates the second most popular sport in the world, basketball.

You have a habit of making outrageous claims which have no basis in reality. Another example, you wrote India became #1 in Tests in 2016 because it "gorged" on home Tests, while in reality India became #1 before it played England, NZ and Australia at home.
 
It’s a wonderful post, but I think it misses the elephant in the room.

Religion.

Almost every major western country (apart from the USA and Poland) is now post-religious.

And the USA cannot compete in any team sports and is reduced to calling domestic competitions the World Series!

The OP talks of stages of development, but to me the key decision point is between operating according to faith or operating according to analysis of facts.

If you look at the Pakistan Test squad in Australia, it was crippled before it arrived. And it was crippled because Azhar, Iftikhar, Imran, Musa and Yasir had been picked in spite of the evidence against their selection.

They were picked on faith, not facts, and predictably there was no happy ending.

So I agree with the developmental phases, but I would add that being brought up in a society which values faith is devastating to sporting performance. It compromises the ability to analyse.

I apologise to anyone this offends, it’s just my spin on a very good original post.

I really tried hard, but for some reason, I just didn't understand the point you are making. Could you please try explaining again? Thank you :)

(I read your post twice btw.. .) *confused*
 
Overall a very good, well thought out and researched post. Although like [MENTION=146504]barah_admi[/MENTION] I tend to disagree about a few things due to my personal experiences.

19 years ago I left my job and a budding career to help my family get out of legal troubles. All my siblings are younger than me. Our combined family had financial stability. I solved legal troubles, set up a small business and helped two of my bros set up their careers. But after 9 years, my life took a major u turn once again when my parents kicked me out of the house with no job, no business (family took over and sold to my partner for peanuts) and no income - with a wife and a learning challenged son suffering post viral encephalitis.

I found out that my skills are no longer current or needed in my field. Acquiring new skills required money and I had to pay rent and put food on the table. Finally I managed to secure a job I otherwise wouldn't have touched with a long pole during my good days. I ended up in a mid sized relatively unknown town where not many people knew me.

Now the part of the story starts due to which I beg to differ with [MENTION=129075]CricketingMinds[/MENTION]. I found my inspiration and learned essential life skills from the same people he claims of having problems with mental aspects. There were people working with me who took pride in landing the same job I hated. They started and reached there from the very bottom of social ladder. Nearly all of them were tough and never fazed by any major or minor problems in their professional or personal lives. They also enjoyed their lives more than I ever did in my prior middle class existence.

Taking a leaf out of their book I have finally almost solved all of my life's problems in last 10 years culminating in me building a nice home for my family which became ready last month. I work at the same place in albeit in a much better position. My son aged 12 is considered slightly better than average student now who couldn't grasp alphabet or counting till 8. Of course a lot of hard work and special need courses were required to achieve this.

Overall life is beautiful and I feel these experiences have made me a better human. I thank Allah now that if I haven't suffered through these hardships, I would have been an ignorant person not understanding my fellow humans.

You are absolutely correct. And I want to again make sure I make this clear:

My research is not saying that kids from underprivileged backgrounds are doomed to fail, and the kids who have access to knowledge and social capital are bound to succeed. NO!

I'm saying that kids (regardless of their socio-economic background) who do not get adequate attachment, love, compassion, care, etc. (from their caregivers) during the infant years (0-6y) have undercooked pre-frontal cortex. This happens because the caregivers compassion, care, etc. acts as a buffer for the stress and turbulence and this buffer helps the in the proper development of the pre-frontal cortex.

Undercooked pre-forntal cortex = undercooked executive function = less Resilience, reduced ability to manage emotions and handle failures, reduced ability to plan, prioritize tasks, etc.

Hence, I am just making an assumption here that since most (not all) of our players are from a humble background, they grew up in an environment of stress where they didn't get enough care, compassion, etc. So they have undercooked pre-frontal cortex and undercooked executive function... Which is why they find it hard to deal with small setbacks.

And I'm also making an assumption that the rich ones (eg Wahab, Shan) maybe neglected or maybe super protected by their caregivers which led them to a stage where they are now programmed to be less resilient and they too lack the ability to handle failures.

So, let's not make this a rich v poor issue. It's not.

Lastly, again, this is a proven scientific theory about brain development that I am overlaying on top of Cricket. Of course, I cannot prove or disprove this for any Pakistani or Non-Pakistani player because I do not know their personal lives.
 
Overall a very good, well thought out and researched post. Although like [MENTION=146504]barah_admi[/MENTION] I tend to disagree about a few things due to my personal experiences.

19 years ago I left my job and a budding career to help my family get out of legal troubles. All my siblings are younger than me. Our combined family had financial stability. I solved legal troubles, set up a small business and helped two of my bros set up their careers. But after 9 years, my life took a major u turn once again when my parents kicked me out of the house with no job, no business (family took over and sold to my partner for peanuts) and no income - with a wife and a learning challenged son suffering post viral encephalitis.

I found out that my skills are no longer current or needed in my field. Acquiring new skills required money and I had to pay rent and put food on the table. Finally I managed to secure a job I otherwise wouldn't have touched with a long pole during my good days. I ended up in a mid sized relatively unknown town where not many people knew me.

Now the part of the story starts due to which I beg to differ with [MENTION=129075]CricketingMinds[/MENTION]. I found my inspiration and learned essential life skills from the same people he claims of having problems with mental aspects. There were people working with me who took pride in landing the same job I hated. They started and reached there from the very bottom of social ladder. Nearly all of them were tough and never fazed by any major or minor problems in their professional or personal lives. They also enjoyed their lives more than I ever did in my prior middle class existence.

Taking a leaf out of their book I have finally almost solved all of my life's problems in last 10 years culminating in me building a nice home for my family which became ready last month. I work at the same place in albeit in a much better position. My son aged 12 is considered slightly better than average student now who couldn't grasp alphabet or counting till 8. Of course a lot of hard work and special need courses were required to achieve this.

Overall life is beautiful and I feel these experiences have made me a better human. I thank Allah now that if I haven't suffered through these hardships, I would have been an ignorant person not understanding my fellow humans.

That is sad and inspiring to read, I wish you all the best in the future. Btw are you from the UK? Just out of curiosity.

In terms of the thread, it just goes to show the best can be made out of a poor situation.
 
Thank you. And as you can see from location in my profile, I am based in India.

BTW I never wanted to write such a long self centered reply to the thread, but the thing is the POTW wanted to group and generalize a huge bunch of people together and judging what's better for them, assuming things for them - all of these factors meant I got a bit carried away.
 
Thank you. And as you can see from location in my profile, I am based in India.

BTW I never wanted to write such a long self centered reply to the thread, but the thing is the POTW wanted to group and generalize a huge bunch of people together and judging what's better for them, assuming things for them - all of these factors meant I got a bit carried away.

I can understand why you and some other people may have thought I am generalizing the research under 'poor v rich' so I apologize for that. I have provided a better explanation in the above post (my reply to your original post) that how this isn't about poor v rich.
Hope that clarifies things for you, sir.
 
I can understand why you and some other people may have thought I am generalizing the research under 'poor v rich' so I apologize for that. I have provided a better explanation in the above post (my reply to your original post) that how this isn't about poor v rich.
Hope that clarifies things for you, sir.

Where you rank the role of Language in skill and response development. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Language is more important than religion. No matter how melodious Urdu may seem or how much I take pride in it, Urdu remains a limited database, Not comparable even to regional languages across provinces. Urdu is a ceremonial language and shouldn't be tried as a social or academic one.
 
Where you rank the role of Language in skill and response development. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Language is more important than religion. No matter how melodious Urdu may seem or how much I take pride in it, Urdu remains a limited database, Not comparable even to regional languages across provinces. Urdu is a ceremonial language and shouldn't be tried as a social or academic one.

Religion and Language are two aspects that I've not researched much into so it would be unwise to comment on the impact of those two things on our cricket.

However, since you ask about language... Unrelated to cricket, but our cognitive power led us to create deep and complex language that was different to the language of any other specie on the planet.
Yuval Harari explains this best and I will paraphrase him here:
"every animal have languages. But the language of Homo sapiens is the most detailed and complex. For example, monkeys create a shrill sound which tells other monkeys that there is a prey in the sky. They also make another different sound that tells other moneys that there is a prey on land.
Now, humans with their unique cognitive abilities have created a detailed language that can describe that the land prey is a lion, its on the other side of the river, coming at us really fast, almost 500m away etc etc. But monkeys due to their constrained language cannot give other monkeys these explicit details"
 
Based on cricketingminds comments it would appear Shaan is the only option since he is literate And has received professional one on one coaching from the western world as well as a good elite class education
 
You are absolutely correct. And I want to again make sure I make this clear:

My research is not saying that kids from underprivileged backgrounds are doomed to fail, and the kids who have access to knowledge and social capital are bound to succeed. NO!

I'm saying that kids (regardless of their socio-economic background) who do not get adequate attachment, love, compassion, care, etc. (from their caregivers) during the infant years (0-6y) have undercooked pre-frontal cortex. This happens because the caregivers compassion, care, etc. acts as a buffer for the stress and turbulence and this buffer helps the in the proper development of the pre-frontal cortex.

Undercooked pre-forntal cortex = undercooked executive function = less Resilience, reduced ability to manage emotions and handle failures, reduced ability to plan, prioritize tasks, etc.

Hence, I am just making an assumption here that since most (not all) of our players are from a humble background, they grew up in an environment of stress where they didn't get enough care, compassion, etc. So they have undercooked pre-frontal cortex and undercooked executive function... Which is why they find it hard to deal with small setbacks.

And I'm also making an assumption that the rich ones (eg Wahab, Shan) maybe neglected or maybe super protected by their caregivers which led them to a stage where they are now programmed to be less resilient and they too lack the ability to handle failures.

So, let's not make this a rich v poor issue. It's not.

Lastly, again, this is a proven scientific theory about brain development that I am overlaying on top of Cricket. Of course, I cannot prove or disprove this for any Pakistani or Non-Pakistani player because I do not know their personal lives.

[MENTION=143784]Naveedahmed1[/MENTION] - if you read this post you may get clarity that it's not about rich v poor or literate v illiterate.
 
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