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Eloquent and emotional post about the influence of Big 3 is this week's POTW which is awarded to [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...g-international-cricket-international-cricket


A recent article in Forbes reported that Bangladesh's next tour of Australia would now be in 2023, a whopping 20 years since the last and only time they toured Australia. And that is ofcourse if Australia don't postpone it again. Bangladesh is a terrible test team. But did they not even deserve a single solitary test in Australia in 20 years?

The defenders of the Big 3 on this site never miss an opportunity to come to the rescue of the very people who have destroyed international cricket. And its amazing to me how they continually defend these greedy, power-hungry boards on the pretext of money.

Because to them this is the only thing that matters. Why? Because it fills the pockets of their already wealthy boards all while the already segregated gap between the Big 3 and the others keeps increasing. It's remarkable how we are still calling this international cricket when its just a handful of teams playing against each other, getting as rich as they possibly can as countries like Zimbabwe teeter on the edge of bankruptcy while under-resourced associates give up any dreams they had of ever playing top-level cricket.


Cricket can only be successful in post-colonial states and they are third-world countries therefore they don't matter

One argument that I have heard on here is that test cricket can only be successful in post-colonial states, and since most of them are third-world countries they don't matter. This is exactly the kind of thinking that absolves the Big 3 of their shameless attitude of not doing anything for the expansion of the game and the associates. Because why even try to bring more countries in when its all about who brings in the most money?

What's stopping the Big 3 from helping out the associates or undeveloped cricketing countries. It's not like the Big 3 have a shortage of money. They are only getting richer. Why can't they spend some money to help countries like Nepal, PNG, Ireland, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan who have shown they have an immense passion for the game. And f they had more resources and money they could do wonders to improve the standard of their cricket. The ICC doesn't even have to give them the money, it can send financial experts to evaluate and spend their money for them. Will these countries bring the amount of viewers that India does? No. But that's not what international cricket is about. Are many of them third-world countries? Yes. But then again so is India according to Western theory.


Who would want to see mediocre teams play against top level teams?

Another argument I came across recently after seeing the shockingly low number of test matches that all the test playing nations play in comparison to the Big 3 is: why would anyone want to see mediocre teams playing against big teams?

Well how are the mediocre teams supposed to get better if they don't play against teams that are better than them? And what about New Zealand, who have somehow played even less matches than Pakistan? Are they mediocre too?

The next argument ofocurse automatically goes to the money. Why would anyone want to see England vs. New Zealand when they could see England vs. India in a 5 match series?

They want to see both. Its just that you will make more money from one series over the other. But while you're laughing yourself to the bank, you are serving as a detriment to other nations who are not getting the same opportunities to make even a fraction of the money you are making because you don't play them. Case in point: Zimbabwe.


Why should the Big 3 help the others?

What the Big 3's cold capitalist defenders often tend to forget as they defend the predatory tactics of cricket's one and only oligarchy is that they have a responsibility towards the game that they are deliberately shunning so they can continue filling their own pockets as much as possible.

How can anyone even say that the game has no chance of growing in other countries when Afghanistan, Nepal, PNG and Ireland have risen the way they have in the last decade despite having little to no resources at their disposal. What's to say they couldn't rise even higher of given the opportunity?


Let's stop calling international cricket international cricket

Bangladesh haven’t toured Australia since 2003, England haven’t played Zimbabwe in any international since 2007, Pakistan-India don’t play, Australia haven’t toured Pak since 1998-99. I think its about time we stopped calling international cricket: international cricket.

Cricket today is basically a segregated sport where an oligarchy of boards run roughshod and do what benefits them, rather than what benefits the sport in general. If it wasn't for the Test Championship of the ODI Super League I doubt the Big 3 boards would even play the games they do play against the lesser ranked teams.



I'm willing to engage in civil debate. But if anyone waves 'revenues' or 'money' in my face I won't bother responding. International cricket is not all about money. The Big 3 boards can still keep getting rich while working for the betterment of international cricket. Its not as if one thing can only happen at the expense of the other. They just choose not to. Why? Because they are greedy capitalists who are running cricket like a business rather than a sport and I'm frankly tired of hearing people defend them like its perfectly alright.
 
I argued with [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] over the practical considerations in overhauling the structure of international cricket, however, at a raw emotional level I completely agree with the righteous anger against the Big 3 expressed in his post.
 
Thank you. Appreciate this greatly.

Big 3 and the state of international cricket is an emotional issue for me so I just can't help it. Part of the anger probably comes from knowing deep down that things are unlikely to change in any significant way.
 
I argued with [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] over the practical considerations in overhauling the structure of international cricket, however, at a raw emotional level I completely agree with the righteous anger against the Big 3 expressed in his post.

Apologies if I got a little carried away.
 
Nailed it mate...nailed it.
You're not the only one who feels like that, but only you can put it the way you have.
Thabk you...
 
Good post [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

We all felt the same when India was out of the the big league. Regardless of anything else, I agree that for sake of the game, more should be done by the big three.

I think everyone agrees why.
We should turn back to the debate thread and talk about how this can be done?
 
Good post [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

We all felt the same when India was out of the the big league. Regardless of anything else, I agree that for sake of the game, more should be done by the big three.

I think everyone agrees why.
We should turn back to the debate thread and talk about how this can be done?

Well deserved. [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] seems like a top poster!

Thank you.
 
Congratulations [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

A great post talking about the emotional aspect behind the neglect of weaker teams in the international arena.

As Pakistani fans, we should be grateful that our country isn't at the same level as the likes of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh who are struggling greatly right now.

The way I see it, the Big 3 concept is there to stay with little that can be changed. The likes of New Zealand will be contesting to make it the Big 4, but their local population is so small that it seems unlikely that they will make it onto the big money giants of cricket.

Teams like Pakistan and South Africa will keep moving along quite nicely because these are teams the members of the Big 3 (England and Australia) will look at and say that there is some revenue to be generated as it requires them playing their full-strength or almost full-strength squads. West Indies are having financial issues but they are always an entertaining team to host for these Big 3 members.

The real thing to consider is what led to the emergence of the Big 3 in terms of revenue making schemes. Nowadays, England have no care in the world because they can show up to any country and play their 2nd string team and have literally nothing to lose. That mindset doesn't help these smaller nations because they are unable to sell their cricket as no big names feature. Personally, I would not be surprised if there is some behind closed doors agreement between the Big 3 nations regarding the international scene. At the end of the day, there is probably some element of prejudice as to why the Big 3 nations do not tour weaker nations, the mindset that they have nothing to prove has degraded international cricket as you have mentioned.

One can only imagine the state of cricket in the next few years, and unless one of Pakistan, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, or Bangladesh win some major ICC silverware, cricket will slowly become less of a sport and more of a money-making scheme.
 
Well deserved. A good read on very interesting and important topic.
 
Congrats! Definitely a well written post. I don’t fully agree with the post as I expressed in the thread lol but I definitely appreciate the poster’s passion for the sport.
 
Congrats! Always a pleasure reading his posts. Very well deserved!
 
Congratulations [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

A great post talking about the emotional aspect behind the neglect of weaker teams in the international arena.

As Pakistani fans, we should be grateful that our country isn't at the same level as the likes of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh who are struggling greatly right now.

The way I see it, the Big 3 concept is there to stay with little that can be changed. The likes of New Zealand will be contesting to make it the Big 4, but their local population is so small that it seems unlikely that they will make it onto the big money giants of cricket.

Teams like Pakistan and South Africa will keep moving along quite nicely because these are teams the members of the Big 3 (England and Australia) will look at and say that there is some revenue to be generated as it requires them playing their full-strength or almost full-strength squads. West Indies are having financial issues but they are always an entertaining team to host for these Big 3 members.

The real thing to consider is what led to the emergence of the Big 3 in terms of revenue making schemes. Nowadays, England have no care in the world because they can show up to any country and play their 2nd string team and have literally nothing to lose. That mindset doesn't help these smaller nations because they are unable to sell their cricket as no big names feature. Personally, I would not be surprised if there is some behind closed doors agreement between the Big 3 nations regarding the international scene. At the end of the day, there is probably some element of prejudice as to why the Big 3 nations do not tour weaker nations, the mindset that they have nothing to prove has degraded international cricket as you have mentioned.

One can only imagine the state of cricket in the next few years, and unless one of Pakistan, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, or Bangladesh win some major ICC silverware, cricket will slowly become less of a sport and more of a money-making scheme.

Thank you.

I barely mentioned Pakistan in my post because I think Pakistan still has it better than some of the other countries. And I think Pakistan has the potential to become a more major player than it is now owing to the undeniable potential of an economy of 220 million, with a growing middle-class, where people are only interested in one sport. It may take time but atleast there is a potential for growth.

But some of the smaller nations have it really bad. Especially the associates who are unlikely to get the same shot now that teams like Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan got once upon a time to elevate themselves. Many like Nepal, PNG, Ireland are already under-resourced and don't have the ability to expand and grow without major ICC support.

I recognize that we live in a cold, heartless capitalist society where altruism has suddenly become an alien concept, but that doesn't mean that we should go on cheerleading the ICC and the Big 3 for doing something that is 'realistic' and 'best for business'. Sometimes you have to do things for the greater good, even if they don't personally benefit you in any way. Unfortunately this is not an idea that the fat cats running international cricket are bound to understand.
 
Thank you.

I barely mentioned Pakistan in my post because I think Pakistan still has it better than some of the other countries. And I think Pakistan has the potential to become a more major player than it is now owing to the undeniable potential of an economy of 220 million, with a growing middle-class, where people are only interested in one sport. It may take time but atleast there is a potential for growth.

But some of the smaller nations have it really bad. Especially the associates who are unlikely to get the same shot now that teams like Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Afghanistan got once upon a time to elevate themselves. Many like Nepal, PNG, Ireland are already under-resourced and don't have the ability to expand and grow without major ICC support.

I recognize that we live in a cold, heartless capitalist society where altruism has suddenly become an alien concept, but that doesn't mean that we should go on cheerleading the ICC and the Big 3 for doing something that is 'realistic' and 'best for business'. Sometimes you have to do things for the greater good, even if they don't personally benefit you in any way. Unfortunately this is not an idea that the fat cats running international cricket are bound to understand.

Perhaps the ICC is part of the problem, I can't think of a more spineless sporting body. The only times the ICC actually does something is in cases of match-fixing and illegal actions. They claim to set up the World Cups but in reality, the host nation bears the bulk of the work.

The issue is that even if Pakistan, South Africa, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and other smaller nations stand against the ICC to hold them accountable, the likes of India, England, New Zealand, and Australia will never do the same.

ICC probably has some agreement with these big cricketing nations where it won't regulate how often they play with other nations, as long as these boards pay the big bucks to the ICC. That's my theory, and I'm not afraid to accept that it may be wrong, but it's also sad to see that there is a chance it might be right.

Sadly, the only thing which will actually save "international cricket", is if teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Ireland, and Afghanistan start performing against these Big 3 nations and win some silverware.

If you go back to 2017, when Pakistan beat India in that final, it was India who waited for the Asia Cup 2018 because they had to prove that it was a fluke win.

Apply that same logic that if Bangladesh beat Australia 2-1 in an ODI series, it will be Australia who will have a point to prove the next time these two sides meet.

But I doubt anything will happen, for teams like BD, SL, AFG, and Nepal, the Asia Cup used to be a good platform for them to get match experience in their own conditions and improve their cricket. Sadly, it has been postponed.
 
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