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Another gem of a post from a serial award-winner - congratulations to [MENTION=153791]UzmanBeast[/MENTION] for his excellent and well thought out posts on Pakistan's T20 World Cup selections

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-the-National-T20-Cup&p=11308025#post11308025

Firstly, I've seen Moneyball, a great movie.

Secondly, I agree with a lot of points that you've made. The nature of wickets in the IPL has been an eye-opener. These wickets are almost certain to be the same ones we see during the T20 WC.

I posted a squad which I would take to the WC in the thread, but I'll put it below:

Openers:

Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan (vc)(wk)
Haider Ali/Sharjeel Khan

Middle-Order:
Sohaib Maqsood
Shoaib Malik/Mohammad Hafeez (subject to fitness)
Iftikhar Ahmed
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)

All-Rounders:
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Nawaz
Aamir Yamin

Pacers:
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali
Wahab Riaz/Imran Khan Sr.
Shahnawaz Dahani

Spinner:
Usman Qadir/Zahid Mahmood


On these wickets, 160-170 is a great score for batting, because even the worst spinners have some purchase from the wickets.

If we just look at the teams that are doing well, we'll find that their pacers have good variations such as the slower-ball, and they have a variety of spinners for different occasions.

If we start analyzing the spinners:

Ashwin, Axar Patel, Lalit Yadav from DC all tend to bowl at the stumps with correct field placements. They don't rip the ball, but the spongey nature of the wickets means that the ball can get stuck and doesn't come onto the bat easily. On these wickets, I have seen guys like Mohammad Rizwan, Sarfaraz Ahmed, and Shoaib Malik consistently keep the scoreboard ticking, which is what is needed.

Wrist-spinners have struggled a bit more, though their performances have shown that the googly is a very important weapon on these surfaces, as the ball can tend to grip once in a while. Spinners who bowl straight at the stumps have been largely successful, looking at examples like Varun Chakravarthy, Sunil Narine, and more.

The pacers succeeding right now are those that possess good variations both off the pitch and in the air. Harshal Patel has been incredible to watch, his slower-balls and his cutters are both wonderfully executed and show that even if batsmen can pick the slower ball, dispatching it is a different issue on its own.

I'll point to a much better example being Mumbai Indians. Touted for their middle order that possesses so much hitting power, they have failed miserably. The key on these wickets is having batsmen who can find singles and doubles, and score the odd boundary. This is why players like Ruturaj Gaikwad, Ventakesh Iyer, and others are doing so well, and are so consistent. They exploit the powerplay but understand that saving wickets for the death allows them to explode.

Might I remind people here that Pakistan became the #1 T20 team in the UAE thanks to this model: accumulate runs in the powerplay, continue to keep the scoreboard ticking, and explode towards the end. This model is very successful, and a number of IPL teams are demonstrating it now. IPL teams that tried exploding before the 15th over have succumbed to major collapses and this is a sign that we need players capable of understanding game situations, and the situation on these UAE wickets.

Moving on, swing bowlers haven't had much of a say in this IPL. Even in the PSL, swing bowlers weren't the ones making much of a difference: bowlers who steamed in and bowled short of a length were successful. Additionally, bowlers who had decent change-ups also saw a lot of success (Faulkner in PSL, Harshal in IPL).

This is why I think it is unwise to carry these fake X-factor players, they will ruin our methodology that brought a lot of success in the UAE.

Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam opening will enable us to get off to consistent starts without losing wickets. Both of them have demonstrated the capacity to assume roles; if we are say 50-0 after 7 overs, one of them usually plays as the aggressor to get the tempo back and maximize the runs. Rizwan's rotation of strike means that he is almost always going to be the person who hangs around till the end. Babar can read slower balls and does fairly well against spinners, so he will probably need to take the role of the aggressor. In case of a collapse against some high-quality seam bowling, we have a long middle-order capable of adjusting and assuming responsibility.

A bowling attack of Zahid Mahmood, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Imad Wasim, Imran Khan Sr. and Wahab Riaz/Shahnawaz Dahani provides us a lot of depth.

With the part-time spin options of Malik and Iftikhar, perhaps the need for Imad might not be needed on some occasions, hence someone like Aamir Yamin can be slotted in to give some more lower-order firepower.

A lot of options available, let's hope our selectors pick the best.
 
Congrats for POTW. You have done a fab analysis on the ongoings in the current IPL.

Your squad has quite a few flaws though. What has Zahid Mahmood, Aamir Yamin or Imran Khan snr done at international level? Lets put aside international cricket, are these 3 making any headlines at the National T20 tournament? Clearly not. As such they absolutely cannot be anywhere near the team.

Our only chance of beating India is if Fakhar Zaman fires. And he is nowhere to be seen in your team? Instead you have picked chacha Ifti, Sarfraz & Sohaib? A recipe for disaster I say.
 
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Our only chance of beating India is if Fakhar Zaman fires. And he is nowhere to be seen in your team? Instead you have picked chacha Ifti, Sarfraz & Sohaib? A recipe for disaster I say.

If Fakhar plays, he can only play as an opener. I don't see him succeed as no.5 in UAE. He is poor vs spin so is Maqsood and Azam. I haven't seen Khushdil so i can't comment on him. Hafeez is unwell and his current form is also in question. Basically, if Babar and Rizwan get out cheaply, then Pak middle order might collapse under pressure.
 
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Congratulations on another POTW - well deserved with level of analysis and detail.

I disagree however with a couple of points:

1. While I take the point about rotating strike, Shoaib Malik and Sarfaraz's stats in the UAE are less than impressive - Avg 24.94 (SR 113.67) and Avg 30.0 (SR 121.38) respectively. Considering both players have played more T20Is in UAE than anywhere else, such poor figures do not inspire hope. The counter-argument of course is that I'm not sure we have much better replacements.

2. I'm not sure what Aamir Yamin has done to earn a T20 WC spot, but that perhaps could be ignorance on my part. His PSL bowling average is 33.56.

3. Hassan Ali is a far superior bowler than Wahab, Dahani and Imran Khan Sr, and his record in T20Is, especially in UAE, is simply phenomenal. If you're looking for more lower-order firepower as you mentioned about Aamir Yamin, don't see how you can leave out Hassan.
 
Congrats for POTW. You have done a fab analysis on the ongoings in the current IPL.

Your squad has quite a few flaws though. What has Zahid Mahmood, Aamir Yamin or Imran Khan snr done at international level? Lets put aside international cricket, are these 3 making any headlines at the National T20 tournament? Clearly not. As such they absolutely cannot be anywhere near the team.

Our only chance of beating India is if Fakhar Zaman fires. And he is nowhere to be seen in your team? Instead you have picked chacha Ifti, Sarfraz & Sohaib? A recipe for disaster I say.

Zahid Mahmood bowls flatter on the stumps and on dry UAE wickets, spinners like him have a high chance of succeeding.

He has performed better than both Shadab and Usman Qadir. The only reason Shadab Khan has a career right now is because of UAE wickets where the ball doesn't come onto the bat, and it's quite clear that Zahid Mahmood is the superior spin-bowling option available as of now.

Secondly, with Aamir Yamin, his batting in the lower-order has been a good sign for us. With the absence of a capable pace-bowling all-rounder, seeing that Faheem is virtually incapable of bowling and batting, Aamir Yamin can provide us with some much-needed firepower in the lower-order. He is versatile with the ball as well, he can bowl an over in the powerplay and also throughout the middle-overs should the need to bowl him arise at any point.

Imran Khan Sr. has been performing extremely well under the radar. Since the last National T20 Cup, he has taken a lot of wickets at a very respectable economy rate, and his bowling style could be suitable on UAE tracks. He might not be the quickest of the lot, but someone who has a few variations and understands what lines/lengths to bowl can always be of assistance.

Fakhar Zaman is making headlines in the PSL and National T20 Cup for his poor form, I simply don't think he merits selection with an average almost below 20 in T20Is. He barely contributes, neither was he successful as an opener nor as a middle-order batsman. His weakness to finger-spin continues to haunt him and he will get eaten alive in the middle overs in the UAE. His knack of throwing away his wicket is another concern.

Iftikhar Ahmed, Sarfaraz Ahmed, and Sohaib Maqsood have put in the hard yards both in the PSL and in domestic cricket to help rectify the void in our middle-order. They all possess skills that we need in our batting lineup, and are more consistent than the other alternatives we have.

I couldn't care less about Fakhar Zaman's batting average against India, it is the least of my concerns. I want guys on my team who give me runs regardless of the opposition that we are facing.
 
Congratulations on another POTW - well deserved with level of analysis and detail.

I disagree however with a couple of points:

1. While I take the point about rotating strike, Shoaib Malik and Sarfaraz's stats in the UAE are less than impressive - Avg 24.94 (SR 113.67) and Avg 30.0 (SR 121.38) respectively. Considering both players have played more T20Is in UAE than anywhere else, such poor figures do not inspire hope. The counter-argument of course is that I'm not sure we have much better replacements.

2. I'm not sure what Aamir Yamin has done to earn a T20 WC spot, but that perhaps could be ignorance on my part. His PSL bowling average is 33.56.

3. Hassan Ali is a far superior bowler than Wahab, Dahani and Imran Khan Sr, and his record in T20Is, especially in UAE, is simply phenomenal. If you're looking for more lower-order firepower as you mentioned about Aamir Yamin, don't see how you can leave out Hassan.

Qualitatively speaking, on these IPL wickets, batsmen who can anchor and take the team through the middle-overs are invaluable.

You need batsmen who can capitalize on the spin which is why I think Shoaib Malik and Sarfaraz Ahmed are good choices. Judging their playstyles (Sarfaraz likes sweeping the ball and gets runs on the leg-side, whereas Malik likes going downtown and gets singles on the off-side), it could prove to be an exciting and rewarding partnership in the middle-overs against some quality spinners. Malik has also demonstrated his power game and is a very successful batsman in the death overs as well. I will still bring up the counterargument that players like Asif, Azam, and Khushdil have no performances behind them and will get chewed alive by bowlers like Chakravarthy, Shamsi, etc.

In recent times, Aamir Yamin has played some very handy knocks with the bat. His bowling isn't up to mark but it's not like Faheem was giving us consistent breakthroughs either. Yamin has played a lot of good cameo innings late down the order, so I think he gives us another option being someone who can actually hit the ball around, not a wannabe all-rounder like some names in our team.

Hasan Ali might be a superior bowler than Wahab, but Wahab isn't competing with Hasan Ali either way. The issue in our bowling attack is Hasnain/Rauf. Both are expensive and hardly have a skillset needed on UAE wickets. Compared to Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, and Imran Khan Sr, I think Wahab is the better, more experienced choice.

Hasan Ali is going to be one of the first names on my team sheet, his performances can't be ignored. I don't, however, trust his batting ability to bat higher than 9.

My team I'd play for all encounters is;

Mohammad Rizwan (vc)(wk)
Babar Azam (c)
Sharjeel Khan
Sohaib Maqsood
Shoaib Malik
Iftikhar Ahmed
Imad Wasim/Aamir Yamin (depending upon conditions)
Hasan Ali
Wahab Riaz
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Zahid Mahmood

Deep batting, variety of bowling options, not much else we need. I might consider opening with Sharjeel Khan if Babar can perform at #3.
 
Qualitatively speaking, on these IPL wickets, batsmen who can anchor and take the team through the middle-overs are invaluable.

You need batsmen who can capitalize on the spin which is why I think Shoaib Malik and Sarfaraz Ahmed are good choices. Judging their playstyles (Sarfaraz likes sweeping the ball and gets runs on the leg-side, whereas Malik likes going downtown and gets singles on the off-side), it could prove to be an exciting and rewarding partnership in the middle-overs against some quality spinners. Malik has also demonstrated his power game and is a very successful batsman in the death overs as well. I will still bring up the counterargument that players like Asif, Azam, and Khushdil have no performances behind them and will get chewed alive by bowlers like Chakravarthy, Shamsi, etc.

In recent times, Aamir Yamin has played some very handy knocks with the bat. His bowling isn't up to mark but it's not like Faheem was giving us consistent breakthroughs either. Yamin has played a lot of good cameo innings late down the order, so I think he gives us another option being someone who can actually hit the ball around, not a wannabe all-rounder like some names in our team.

Hasan Ali might be a superior bowler than Wahab, but Wahab isn't competing with Hasan Ali either way. The issue in our bowling attack is Hasnain/Rauf. Both are expensive and hardly have a skillset needed on UAE wickets. Compared to Hasnain, Rauf, Dahani, and Imran Khan Sr, I think Wahab is the better, more experienced choice.

Hasan Ali is going to be one of the first names on my team sheet, his performances can't be ignored. I don't, however, trust his batting ability to bat higher than 9.

My team I'd play for all encounters is;

Mohammad Rizwan (vc)(wk)
Babar Azam (c)
Sharjeel Khan
Sohaib Maqsood
Shoaib Malik
Iftikhar Ahmed
Imad Wasim/Aamir Yamin (depending upon conditions)
Hasan Ali
Wahab Riaz
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Zahid Mahmood

Deep batting, variety of bowling options, not much else we need. I might consider opening with Sharjeel Khan if Babar can perform at #3.
I appreciate you explaining your methodology but I still do not get this over excitement with Aamir Yamin. He is clearly not a good enough as a bowler, and does not warrant a spot just based on his tail end batting. Aamir Yamin may potentially be the most overrated player who should have played for Pakistan on this forum.

Zahid Mahmood bowls quick leg breaks but he will have zero confidence behind him on world stage.

You have ignored both Hafeez & Shadab. These are big flaws.
 
I appreciate you explaining your methodology but I still do not get this over excitement with Aamir Yamin. He is clearly not a good enough as a bowler, and does not warrant a spot just based on his tail end batting. Aamir Yamin may potentially be the most overrated player who should have played for Pakistan on this forum.

Zahid Mahmood bowls quick leg breaks but he will have zero confidence behind him on world stage.

You have ignored both Hafeez & Shadab. These are big flaws.

Hafeez was ignored because he is unwell.

Shadab is ignored because he is the most over-rated player to ever have played for Pakistan.

Zahid is a better option than Shadab, and so is Qadir.
 
Excellent analytical post! Very impressive. Hopefully someone in PCB or PCT reads it and puts it to use.
 
Excellent analytical post! Very impressive. Hopefully someone in PCB or PCT reads it and puts it to use.

Haha if PCB actually listened to a lot of the criticism on PP, they might have been able to do a lot more and make less incompetent decisions.
 
Your team's average age must be older than the Queen of England haha

But well thought out post and well written, so no problems for me there. Well done!
 
Haha if PCB actually listened to a lot of the criticism on PP, they might have been able to do a lot more and make less incompetent decisions.

I find it highly impossible that no one n PCB or PCT reads Pakpassion.net. Saj is quite well known and a lot of eminent personalities have been interviewed here as well. Am sure someone is reading or has read your post and I sincerely hope that someone is influential enough to use it
 
I find it highly impossible that no one n PCB or PCT reads Pakpassion.net. Saj is quite well known and a lot of eminent personalities have been interviewed here as well. Am sure someone is reading or has read your post and I sincerely hope that someone is influential enough to use it

I doubt anyone influential reads things on this forum. Surely if Ramiz Raja was reading these posts he'd reply to the thread.

Come on Rambo!
 
Another gem of a post from a serial award-winner - congratulations to [MENTION=153791]UzmanBeast[/MENTION] for his excellent and well thought out posts on Pakistan's T20 World Cup selections

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-the-National-T20-Cup&p=11308025#post11308025

Only logged in now and saw this. Good to see this here ;)

Shall take a look at the original one and continue it there but will mostly be an agreement over most points. Is there any update on Hafeez? Arguably the only player I would say can still be taken even if he has not had much practice in the NT20.

The short version is that PAK need to play the numbers / deltas between runs scored while batting and those conceded or saved while bowling and fielding on an individualised basis. The notion of playing hitters or out and out bowlers cannot stack up given the talent pool and pitches at hand.

Edit: sorry - to clarify, my response was aimed at Usman. Thanks!
 
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