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Predict the Man of the Tournament of the Asia Cup

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I wouldn't be surprised if its Babar Azam. He's definitely more accustomed to the UAE pitches. He does have a profilic record there.
 
If the pitches are flat with decent pace and bounce then I would back Fakhar. He’s been in great form lately.
 
babajee said:
If the pitches are flat with decent pace and bounce then I would back Fakhar. He’s been in great form lately.
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You don't get decent pace and bounce in UAE especially in a hot month like September. You certainly won't in Abu Dhabi which I reckon is the slowest wicket of all grounds.
 
topspin said:
You don't get decent pace and bounce in UAE especially in a hot month like September. You certainly won't in Abu Dhabi which I reckon is the slowest wicket of all grounds.
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Which is why I said, if.
 
Niroshan Dickwella :ishant

Kidding. I would bet on Rohit for India, Fakhar for Pakistan, Mendis/Akila Dananjaya from Srilanka & maybe Shakib/Tamim from Bangladesh.
 
Seems like everyone here is in a joking mood. Some really crazy suggestions.

My three top picks will be Rohit Sharma, Fakhar Zaman and Shaheen Afridi.
 
JaDed said:
People really have lot of expectations from Rohit here.
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I think you are expecting too little from him.



Among top 3 Indian scorers in 9 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

Among top 2 Indian scorers in 8 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

The highest run getter in 4 out of 8 bilateral series since the 2015WC - against SA, AUS, SL & ENG.

India's second highest run scorer in CWC2015 as well as CT2017.

2nd highest ODI run scorer in the world since 2013 and 2nd highest average (61) in Asia since 2013. 5th highest average (56) globally.

On reputation and numbers, Rohit Sharma is going into Asia Cup 2018 as the best batsman in the tournament. It is natural for fans to expect him to put in a good performance.
 
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the_outsider said:
I think you are expecting too little from him.



Among top 3 Indian scorers in 9 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

Among top 2 Indian scorers in 8 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

The highest run getter in 4 out of 8 bilateral series since the 2015WC - against SA, AUS, SL & ENG.

India's second highest run scorer in CWC2015 as well as CT2017.

2nd highest ODI run scorer in the world since 2013 and 2nd highest average (61) in Asia since 2013. 5th highest average (56) globally.

On reputation and numbers, Rohit Sharma is going into Asia Cup 2018 as the best batsman in the tournament. It is natural for fans to expect him to put in a good performance.
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and he has point to prove for himself after getting dropped from test side maybe? surely sun will shine again for him as he said.
 
Fakhar does well in pacy pitches and hasn't done anything significant in UAE. Might be Rohith, Dhawan or Babar.
 
the_outsider said:
I think you are expecting too little from him.



Among top 3 Indian scorers in 9 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

Among top 2 Indian scorers in 8 out of 10 ODI series/tournaments since the 2015WC.

The highest run getter in 4 out of 8 bilateral series since the 2015WC - against SA, AUS, SL & ENG.

India's second highest run scorer in CWC2015 as well as CT2017.

2nd highest ODI run scorer in the world since 2013 and 2nd highest average (61) in Asia since 2013. 5th highest average (56) globally.

On reputation and numbers, Rohit Sharma is going into Asia Cup 2018 as the best batsman in the tournament. It is natural for fans to expect him to put in a good performance.
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Well it's probably my bias against him and that I have no expectations from him, very similar to how Bhaag Virus has bias against Hardik
 
One of Fakhar Zaman, Babar Azam, or Rohit Sharma.

Could also be one of Shadab Khan or Kuldeep Yadav.
 
Oligochaetes said:
Looks like most players have been chosen. So, I will choose Faheem Ashraf :najam
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That is if he plays all the matches as there is a lot of bowling depth in the Pak squad and for all rounders he will have to compete with Nawaz which on UAE tracks can be lethal.
 
Rohit, Dhawan, Babar, Fakhar, Shakib, Asif Ali, Shadab Khan, Imam ul Haque, Shinwari, Kuldeep, Hassan Ali, Tamim.

Honourable mentions: Mohammad
1) Nawaz ( If he plays all the matches)i.e might want to make it the career changing tournament on tracks which he loves.
2) Fahim Ashraf ( Only if he plays all the matches)
3) Kusal Mendis
 
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Kohli, him not being there could lead to a ton of TVs being busted and TV show experts criticising him a lot if India do badly
 
MS Dhoni. He will remain not out in all matches with average to the north of 60. Don't ask me about his S/R. :ashwin
 
troodon said:
MS Dhoni. He will remain not out in all matches with average to the north of 60. Don't ask me about his S/R. :ashwin
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if he remains not out in all matches, then its impossible for him to have an average
 
Might be Malik, he loves to feast on spinners of which there'll be plenty this Asia Cup. I can see some 50s at 120+ SR
 
I think it will be Tamim Iqbal. The player has been in hot form in the last few years especially in ODIs, and it hasn't looked like ending. On these flat pitches, he should be making runs like a machine. I'm expecting a couple of 100s from him.
 
Energetic said:
I think it will be Tamim Iqbal. The player has been in hot form in the last few years especially in ODIs, and it hasn't looked like ending. On these flat pitches, he should be making runs like a machine. I'm expecting a couple of 100s from him.
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Not MoS, but he can be highest scorer of the tournament, if we make the first cut. These days ODIs are played as such that top scores almost certainly will come from top 3 - in that regard Tamim has a decent chance along with Sharma, Dhawan, Babar & FZ, may be Perera also.

I think, if we make the cut, best chance from BD to win MoS is Shakib. He'll be bowling every over of his quota on UAE tracks and these days he bats at 3, which should allow him significant batting opportunity. Actually, Mushi has a little better chance than Tamim for MoS, as he keeps and in very good form - he is putting critical runs these days.

In any case, if we are to make Final, these 3 have to have their A game, and then one might be in contention for MoS.
 
MMHS said:
Not MoS, but he can be highest scorer of the tournament, if we make the first cut. These days ODIs are played as such that top scores almost certainly will come from top 3 - in that regard Tamim has a decent chance along with Sharma, Dhawan, Babar & FZ, may be Perera also.

I think, if we make the cut, best chance from BD to win MoS is Shakib. He'll be bowling every over of his quota on UAE tracks and these days he bats at 3, which should allow him significant batting opportunity. Actually, Mushi has a little better chance than Tamim for MoS, as he keeps and in very good form - he is putting critical runs these days.

In any case, if we are to make Final, these 3 have to have their A game, and then one might be in contention for MoS.
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UAE will be slow and spin friendly track. Didnt you guys got whitewashed in such tracks against Afg just a month ago? I wont be too confident if I am a bangla fan. Yes if its a batting paradise, BD would do good but on a slow wicket, I expect Afg to humiliate BD again.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
UAE will be slow and spin friendly track. Didnt you guys got whitewashed in such tracks against Afg just a month ago? I wont be too confident if I am a bangla fan. Yes if its a batting paradise, BD would do good but on a slow wicket, I expect Afg to humiliate BD again.
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May be, but I guess in a haste you forgot the difference between T20 & ODI - for your information, Asia cup is an ODI tournament. It's not necessary that always higher ranked team should win as we have recently seen lower ranked Test team humiliating higher ranked one, but AFG's are better T20 side, so they won as expected. My post was completely neutral - just explained what will be needed if we are to make 2nd round or any BD player to win personal accolade - which is valid for every country. You can always expect any result though, out of your confidence.

By the way, you probably don't know that there is a state in India now named "Bangla" - I am from different country.
 
the_outsider said:
But many posters here have told me that UAE pitches are graveyards for bowlers.

Okay now I'm confused... :/
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Those are actually grave yard for cricket, particularly Abu Dhabi. Extremely slow, low bouncy wicket which loses pace with time, but doesn't break, means spinners also don't come into play. Add to that large boundary with slow, lash green out-field means batsmen don't get value for timing, neither they can get under the ball to clear boundary for the slowness & low bounce and pacers don't get much reverse either for the green out field. It's easy to survive there with dead bat, but difficult to score quickly, or get 2/3 wickets in a bunch.

ODIs are played with 2 white balls, therefore it should be better, but still in an even contest, high scores are not expected, at least in Abu Dhabi. They might have relaid the pitch this year with so much cricket scheduled, but UAE isn't a good place for exciting cricket. Best performers here are often darters and top order batsmen, because first 20-30 overs are when ball comes on to bat better. Sharjah wicket was better of the 3, and boundary is smaller as well, but it's booked for other tournaments.
 
MMHS said:
May be, but I guess in a haste you forgot the difference between T20 & ODI - for your information, Asia cup is an ODI tournament. It's not necessary that always higher ranked team should win as we have recently seen lower ranked Test team humiliating higher ranked one, but AFG's are better T20 side, so they won as expected. My post was completely neutral - just explained what will be needed if we are to make 2nd round or any BD player to win personal accolade - which is valid for every country. You can always expect any result though, out of your confidence.

By the way, you probably don't know that there is a state in India now named "Bangla" - I am from different country.
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I have heard this statement plenty of times from BD fans that T20 is not our stronger format but we are good in ODIs. Thats an excuse though. Unlike tests, there is not much difference between a 50 and 20 over game. Both played with white balls, flat decks and with field restrictions. Yes there are minor caveats but its not that distinct. Hence you will see there are lots of test specialists only but not many 50 over or 20 over specialist.

BD did well in Nidahas trophy which was a T20 format, also did decently in T20 WC 2016. All were played on roads. But on a tougher wicket (turner/slow/pace friendly) they would struggle against most opponents not bcoz of format but because of lack of skillset.
 
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Canford Cliffs said:
BD did well in Nidahas trophy which was a T20 format, also did decently in T20 WC 2016. All were played on roads. But on a tougher wicket (turner/slow/pace friendly) they would struggle against most opponents not bcoz of format but because of lack of skillset.
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ODIs most wickets will be roads in a tournament like Asia Cup or World Cup.

Even India and Pakistan will struggle on tough wickets. Recall India was thrashed by Lanka on a spicey wicket a few months ago. Pakistan recently was 14-3 or something crazy after 10 overs in an ODI in NZ. It was the lowest PP1 score in the history of ODIs.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
ODIs most wickets will be roads in a tournament like Asia Cup or World Cup.

Even India and Pakistan will struggle on tough wickets. Recall India was thrashed by Lanka on a spicey wicket a few months ago. Pakistan recently was 14-3 or something crazy after 10 overs in an ODI in NZ. It was the lowest PP1 score in the history of ODIs.
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Think you tried this trick in last Asia cup. I vividly remember the opening game between Ind and BD which was a green mamba. BD played with 4 seamers with an expectation to roll over India. They played with oppositions weakness but in the process forgot their team have even bigger weakness. India after initial struggle, manage to reach 160 and then Ashish Nehra was looking like Wasim Akram. Finally sense prevailed and they returned to flat deck in the finals (which they lost as well)

So yes, in a challenging conditions, both Ind and Pak will struggle a bit but they have the temparement to cope with it. Not so sure about BD. For your sake, I hope the Asia cup wickets are flat bruv :)
 
MMHS said:
Those are actually grave yard for cricket, particularly Abu Dhabi. Extremely slow, low bouncy wicket which loses pace with time, but doesn't break, means spinners also don't come into play. Add to that large boundary with slow, lash green out-field means batsmen don't get value for timing, neither they can get under the ball to clear boundary for the slowness & low bounce and pacers don't get much reverse either for the green out field. It's easy to survive there with dead bat, but difficult to score quickly, or get 2/3 wickets in a bunch.

ODIs are played with 2 white balls, therefore it should be better, but still in an even contest, high scores are not expected, at least in Abu Dhabi. They might have relaid the pitch this year with so much cricket scheduled, but UAE isn't a good place for exciting cricket. Best performers here are often darters and top order batsmen, because first 20-30 overs are when ball comes on to bat better. Sharjah wicket was better of the 3, and boundary is smaller as well, but it's booked for other tournaments.
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Thanks!

So about 260-290 runs pitches for ODIs?

Will be interesting to see how the spinners do. This tournament will have 4 really good ones - Shakib, Kuldeep, Rashid, Akila Dhananjaya.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
I have heard this statement plenty of times from BD fans that T20 is not our stronger format but we are good in ODIs. Thats an excuse though. Unlike tests, there is not much difference between a 50 and 20 over game. Both played with white balls, flat decks and with field restrictions. Yes there are minor caveats but its not that distinct. Hence you will see there are lots of test specialists only but not many 50 over or 20 over specialist.

BD did well in Nidahas trophy which was a T20 format, also did decently in T20 WC 2016. All were played on roads. But on a tougher wicket (turner/slow/pace friendly) they would struggle against most opponents not bcoz of format but because of lack of skillset.
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Both your logic is absolutely opposite - ODI is much closer to Test, because the fundamental of the game is similar - you have to build partnership while batting and you have to take wickets while bowling. While, T20 is completely different game, because it's built on short burst - more power than skills and more instant gratification than slow build up. Even now days with 350+ ODI games, better teams often dominate not because of Power Play slogging, rather controlling the middle over by taking wickets. For a check, if you know how it works - put 12 Teams in a column and put their respective ranking position in Test, ODI & T20 - I can bet correlation between Test-ODI, will be higher than ODI-T20. If you can't do it, let me know - I'll spend some time.

Your 2nd part is even more hilarious, exposes lack of cricket knowledge. If there is a contest between uneven teams, whenever underdogs have won, it had been a low scoring game, almost always on under-prepared wickets or extreme condition for some period, not on steady wickets with seem or spin. The reason being that skill set difference between stronger and weaker teams reduces when wicket is a minimizing the gap through unpredictability, and in most cases, underdog had won with a bowling miracle. UAE tracks are the least expected one for a bowling miracle, rather it's a wicket where grafting batsmen or very accurate bowlers do better.

AFGs can win in UAE, in fact they can win against SRL as well - but that's not because of lack of skill set of SRL or BD players, rather because of one better day of Rashid or Mujeeb or both as they are genuinely good in their job. Try to understand what it's written in my initial post regarding MoS & highest scorer of the tournament, then read your own post again - no reason why should you try to score some taking dig at BD team or supporters based on my post.

To say that there are lots of Test specialist but not many ODI or T20 specialist actually exposes your age - it gives a hint when you had started watching cricket. PP is an interesting place - lots of quality cricket discussion takes place here unlike facebook or random blogs, but it's not a great place for uncalled for trolling. Stay regularly for sometimes, yourself will be surprised with your change in few months time.
 
the_outsider said:
Thanks!

So about 260-290 runs pitches for ODIs?

Will be interesting to see how the spinners do. This tournament will have 4 really good ones - Shakib, Kuldeep, Rashid, Akila Dhananjaya.
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Chahal, Mujeeb & Shabad as well - if they use flight and loop, wrist spinners are always difficult.
 
ODI is closer to Test than T20. In T20 even a top baseball team with little bit of training will be competitive. Baseball players are far more fit than cricket players. Its not easy to crush a baseball for homeruns.
 
MMHS said:
Chahal, Mujeeb & Shabad as well - if they use flight and loop, wrist spinners are always difficult.
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You're right. 7 quality spinners in 1 tournament.

The middle overs are gonna be very exciting to watch.
 
Depending on how the CUP goes
Potential players to get the awards

Ind: Rohit
Pak: Babar or Fakar
BD: Tamim or Shakib
SL: Angelo or Parera
AFG: Rashid
 
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Depending on how the CUP goes
Potential players to get the awards

Ind: Rohit
Pak: Babar or Fakar
BD: Tamim or Shakib
SL: Angelo or Parera
AFG: Rashid
UAE: LOL
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Definitely a LOL as they haven't even qualified, but yeah I agree with the others, Rohit Sharma I have a feeling he will step up.
 
hadi123 said:
Definitely a LOL as they haven't even qualified, but yeah I agree with the others, Rohit Sharma I have a feeling he will step up.
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Honestly a bit surprised that HongKong qualified out of the lot. Would have prefered Nepal TBH. Both PAK/IND premium teams are playing. Don't need a team full off IND/PAK 2.0 (uncle edition).
 
I think it will be Fakhar Zaman.

In form, full of confidence and batting-friendly tracks.
 
Shaheen will not play a single match it will be dhawan from india Babar or Fakhar from pakistan and Rahim or Tamim from bangladesh and Kusal Peerera from Srilanka
 
Some Pakistani player, without Kohli Indian batting is dead weak. We probably will not even reach finals.
 
Saurav said:
KL Rahul
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This. I think this is going to be kL Rahul's tournament. Most probably play at no.3 and will score a truckload of runs esp against HK , Bang, SL etc ....and may be one of the games against pakistan as well. Kohli's absence might just revoke his odi career.
 
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