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Predict the result of the fourth Test between India and England

If England score 400 runs in first innings, then India might be in trouble.

If England lose their last 5 wickets for under 350, India will walk all over them like other tests.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If England score 400 runs in first innings, then India might be in trouble.

If England lose their last 5 wickets for under 350, India will walk all over them like other tests.
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Based on how tests have gone in this series, Eng should score more than 350.
 
The way some Indians are reacting you would think Eng ended the day at 388-5 and not 288-5.

Imagine if England didn't have that collapse....they would be at 330-3 by the end of today.

I felt both teams had a good day today and I think India would be very happy and relieved by how things shaped up on session 3. This is a fast scoring pitch and our spinners have helped us get things under control.

Feel this pitch has a lot of runs if you can play through the random tough periods. Remains to be seen how English pacers bowl. They are the dark horse here on this pitch where there is bounce but not lateral movement.
 
I lost track of this series. Is India winning 3-0 at the moment?
 
Hameed's Mumbai coach was right though.

He said several days back that if Hameed had batted in Mumbai first day, he would have had a chance to get a 100 by tea. Or something along those lines.

Jennings did just that.
 
Draw is highly likely if england's spinners and reverse swing don't trouble Ind batsmen.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
The way some Indians are reacting you would think Eng ended the day at 388-5 and not 288-5.

Imagine if England didn't have that collapse....they would be at 330-3 by the end of today.

I felt both teams had a good day today and I think India would be very happy and relieved by how things shaped up on session 3. This is a fast scoring pitch and our spinners have helped us get things under control.

Feel this pitch has a lot of runs if you can play through the random tough periods. Remains to be seen how English pacers bowl. They are the dark horse here on this pitch where there is bounce but not lateral movement.
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Problem is this pitch is a turner, unlike the previous 3 tests. I reckon anywhere near 400 is a very good score in the first innings here. Imagine if India have to bat just before tea tomorrow when the ball starts turning square and India facing a deficit of just over 400 or 420. I wouldn't be surprised if India collapse in a heap all of a sudden under scoreboard pressure with the ball turning square.

Anyway the most difficult part is that we have to bat last here. Last match we escaped because we had a huge cushion of a 130 run lead which allowed us the leeway of chasing a meagre target in the final innings. Imagine if India have to chase around 350-370 in the final innings with 4 sessions remaining. Will you bet on India chasing the target? I won't.
 
England 380 All out tomorrow

Indian bats will have starts but none, maybe just pujara will get to 3 figures. I expect us to get 450-470 range.

England will struggle to 200ish score, India will comfortably chase down 120-130ish score with 5+ wickets in hand.
 
cricinfo says pitch is already turning square. But after following cricinfo for years, I know better than to believe them. England have only one good spinner in Rashid.
Rahane getting out of the team is a good thing since he was a bit out of sorts.

I predict India winning it by 4 wickets or thereabouts.
 
India cannot lose with a performing Kohli and he has been great in this series. So, I would say India is going to win it.
 
street cricketer said:
Problem is this pitch is a turner, unlike the previous 3 tests. I reckon anywhere near 400 is a very good score in the first innings here. Imagine if India have to bat just before tea tomorrow when the ball starts turning square and India facing a deficit of just over 400 or 420. I wouldn't be surprised if India collapse in a heap all of a sudden under scoreboard pressure with the ball turning square.

Anyway the most difficult part is that we have to bat last here. Last match we escaped because we had a huge cushion of a 130 run lead which allowed us the leeway of chasing a meagre target in the final innings. Imagine if India have to chase around 350-370 in the final innings with 4 sessions remaining. Will you bet on India chasing the target? I won't.
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Odds of the ball turning square by tea tomorrow and staying that way permanently is low. I heard there is some small grass covering which prevents the red soil from completely breaking up and spitting so it won't misbehave too soon.

India should NOT throw away wickets like they did in Mohali. If they don't do that, I think we will score runs here.

Pitch was a true bounce good batting surface for 2 sessions today (even in 3rd session, England started by smashing it before Ash came on to the attack and delivered that gun spell and towards the end England looked comfortable again). Its impossible for any team to have bowled out the other here without some assistance (read brain freeze) from the batting team itself.

So 288-5 is not a bad effort at all. Could have been WAY better if Jennings catch was held on but its not like the new batsman would be batting on a square turner so early in the day.
 
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HateKiller said:
cricinfo says pitch is already turning square. But after following cricinfo for years, I know better than to believe them. England have only one good spinner in Rashid.
Rahane getting out of the team is a good thing since he was a bit out of sorts.

I predict India winning it by 4 wickets or thereabouts.
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The problem with a lot of professional cricket analysts is that they just gloss over the surface. Cricinfo is good overall but speaking in general.

Indian spinners (as a whole) had better averages on 2nd and 3rd test pitches where there was hardly much turn even on Day 5. By that same token, they should have bundled out England for a low score today.

Why did that not happen?

Cos just because 1-2 balls turn viciously doesn't mean a pitch is turning square. Sure some turned viciously (Ash bowled atleast 5-10 jaffas today but none of that got him a wicket) but that's not the be all and end all.

What matters is....the consistency of turn (very very imp)...the grip in the pitch....the ease with which the ball comes from the surface....ALL of these things matter.

Rajkot had a bit of turn too but it was an easy paced wicket which allowed batsmen to just hang back, get a million years to see what was happening to the ball and score. Here in Mumbai, it didn't consistently turn much (barring odd period of say 5-10 overs) but when it turned, it was sharp turn which is tough to negotiate.

But what helped batsmen is that there is TRUE BOUNCE and you can play strokes. In fact, a few wickets fell due to more bounce than turn. Moeen and Stokes got almost caught behind SO MANY times yet when they survived and the pitch eased out, they looked comfortable and started scoring.

These are small small things that get overlooked and analysis gets diluted to a basic form.
 
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From an English point of view, if they can get to 400....they can really put a lot of pressure on India.

Even a first innings lead of 50-100 could be fatal for India.

So this is actually a great chance for them.

When the pitch goes rogue, Moeen and Rashid will be very very hard to play.
 
Either a draw or a Indian victory is more likely. England again lost their best chance to put up a big first inning score. India will pile up runs in the first inning and then Ashwin all over England in the second innings. England would have had a better chance if they finished first day around 300/3. 288/5 is a bit disappointing in the first inning for them.
 
England bowlers have to bowl really well to win this, thry need to take a lead here in the first innings here.
 
England in a dominant position..
 
144-1 India.

We batted at a much slower pace than I thought but I expected good batting from us (was more worried about us throwing our wickets away which we didn't do).

Everything resets tomorrow.
 
Evenly poised.

Assuming a score of 340/5 at tea tomorrow, which side would be the happier one?
 
It's a good thing we bat really deep in this test, will need all of it in this innings. Unless we suffer a brainfade or one of the England seamers suddenly find banana reverse we should be disappointed if we don't take the lead IMO. Vijay got lucky at the start of his innings trying to be too aggressive.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Is that supposed to be a trick question? :p
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For us to get to that score we will have to get 2 sessions of 90-100 for 2 wickets which to me is realistic with some application. Just trying to look ahead to tea tomorrow. At 340/5, England could still restrict us to a lead of 25 and be happy with that. On the other hand, the Indian lower order could drive the advantage home.
 
samplepiece said:
Evenly poised.

Assuming a score of 340/5 at tea tomorrow, which side would be the happier one?
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Given that the last 5 Indian wickets scored almost 250 runs in the first innings in the last Test, I would say India.
 
I'd be very surprised if India doesnt get lead tomorrow considering the way they've batted so far. England spinners dont even look half as threatening to their Indian counterparts. They are one spinner shorter too, i feel. Having said that, all three results still possible.
 
India still has to score lots of runs. Eng spinners give too many hit me balls on helpful surfaces and that allows batsmen to wait for a bad ball.

I think it's 50-50 right now.
 
Your first two predictions are marginally coming true. However, it would difficult for only one to get 3 figures if you look at a score of 470. Atleast two needs to score big. Vijay also looking good to go big.
 
Buffet said:
India still has to score lots of runs. Eng spinners give too many hit me balls on helpful surfaces and that allows batsmen to wait for a bad ball.

I think it's 50-50 right now.
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Exactly. Rashid, who is considered their best in this series is leaking the most runs. 250 runs behind with 9 wickets in hand, I'd back India to have a upper hand. However, things can change quickly.
 
cric_fanatic said:
Exactly. Rashid, who is considered their best in this series is leaking the most runs. 250 runs behind with 9 wickets in hand, I'd back India to have a upper hand. However, things can change quickly.
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Poor bowling by Eng have made it 50-50 for me, otherwise they were ahead after scoring 400 runs. 400 runs are lots of runs here in these conditions. Hopefully, they bowl better and don't hand the match to India. Yah, 9 wickets can give some edge to India, but without those hit me balls, India has to play really well to get a decent lead and India has to bat last here.
 
HateKiller said:
Aapka prediction kidhar hai? No conditional prediction please.
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I didn't predict any results per se.

This is what I had to say after Day 1 when someone asked where is the match going.

Even stevens for now. In my opinion, India comfortably placed though the general opinion could be England scored on a tough track (which isn't true...they scored on a good surface for the first 2 sessions....excellent batting but wasted a great opportunity in the last session). Tomorrow if England get bundled out for 350....we will get a solid lead. If they score 400....we may have to fight more harder but we will match their scores. Lots of runs can be scored on this track if you can just play off the tough periods. For example, 5-10 overs back, England were struggling to even get going but towards the end of the day, the pitch looked fairly easy to negotiate. The side that handles the rough period well will score lots and win. Pietersen and Cook in 2012 did just that on a pitch that was MUCH harder to bat than this.
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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...and-4th-Test-Mumbai-Dec-8-12-2016-Day-1/page2

Personally, I like to discuss about different scenarios more than just random XYZ number predictions (which are ok too but talking about my preference).

I like more in terms of scenario A, B, C with reasoning for each.

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As for tomorrow, if you ask me to predict something concrete, I think I would go with India playing out all 3 sessions for the loss of 6-8 wickets.

So India would be likely 420-440 for the loss of 7 or 8 wickets.

That's my number if you want a solid one.

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But as with cricket in general, there are various other factors which come into play.

This Mumbai pitch will have its periods where it will be really hard to play. How we play those periods matters a LOT..the bounce here allows you to score but the same bounce will make sure your edges carry....and sweeps can be very risky....so its a pitch where runs can be scored and wickets can be given away easily too. And also when wickets fall, they are likely to fall in clusters.

So India is not yet out of a tricky situation but signs are good and its likely to be out of it if they just make sure they bat for 3 sessions cos runs will come on this pitch if you just stay. As for England, they just have to believe in themselves and keep putting pressure and you never know when things will change.
 
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Buffet said:
Poor bowling by Eng have made it 50-50 for me, otherwise they were ahead after scoring 400 runs. 400 runs are lots of runs here in these conditions. Hopefully, they bowl better and don't hand the match to India. Yah, 9 wickets can give some edge to India, but without those hit me balls, India has to play really well to get a decent lead and India has to bat last here.
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If they had Swann and Monty, it really would have been tough for us. With these spinners though, one can be more optimistic. In 2012, on a more diabolic pitch, with Swann and Panesar, India went from 120-6 to 314 all out on the back of just Pujara and Ash's knock (in that series, we had 4 out of top 7 bats were over the hill). England piled on 413 on the back of Pietersen and Cook's legendary knocks.

Check out Ashwin's post day analysis (its on BCCI site) where he talks about how Mumbai pitch is very deceptive. There will be turn but its very very hard for a bowler to find the right lengths to bowl here and containing runs on this pitch is always hard. A good ball can be easily played off the back or foot front here. Wickets will fall but runs will be scored easily too. Everything will change 180 degrees when the 2nd innings starts.

In Mumbai 2011, WI scored 590 in first innings and 134 in 2nd. :))

So if this test is gonna be a 1 innings shoot out, it will be a thriller.
 
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India winning by 3--4 wicckets, Ind will score around 425-450. Eng will score 200-250 in their second inning, India to chase 150 or 175 last, making heavy weather of it. I will be more than happy to be proven wrong, that is if India performs to its ability. We have 1 freeloader in this team, Rahul, who holdsa very key position, India or abroad and Vijay does not give confidence, he lost intensity, case in point his loose ahots and running between wickets. And in a sport like cricket any team is as successful as their openers and captain. So 2 loose wickets already. Remember Rathod, gandhi etc of 1990s whose downfall always robbed team of advantage many time. But this team has dedicated batsmen at the end. For India, now a days, tail starts at the beginning.
 
The_Odd_One said:
India cannot lose with a performing Kohli and he has been great in this series. So, I would say India is going to win it.
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India is not losing it. At best, England will draw it if they don't get out cheaply in their 2nd inning.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
England 380 All out tomorrow

Indian bats will have starts but none, maybe just pujara will get to 3 figures. I expect us to get 450-470 range.

England will struggle to 200ish score, India will comfortably chase down 120-130ish score with 5+ wickets in hand.
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I still see this happening. England got probably 30-40 more than they should have which might result in us having a 30-40 lead as opposed to a healthy 80+ lead on this pitch.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I didn't predict any results per se.

This is what I had to say after Day 1 when someone asked where is the match going.



http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...and-4th-Test-Mumbai-Dec-8-12-2016-Day-1/page2

Personally, I like to discuss about different scenarios more than just random XYZ number predictions (which are ok too but talking about my preference).

I like more in terms of scenario A, B, C with reasoning for each.

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As for tomorrow, if you ask me to predict something concrete, I think I would go with India playing out all 3 sessions for the loss of 6-8 wickets.

So India would be likely 420-440 for the loss of 7 or 8 wickets.

That's my number if you want a solid one.

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But as with cricket in general, there are various other factors which come into play.

This Mumbai pitch will have its periods where it will be really hard to play. How we play those periods matters a LOT..the bounce here allows you to score but the same bounce will make sure your edges carry....and sweeps can be very risky....so its a pitch where runs can be scored and wickets can be given away easily too. And also when wickets fall, they are likely to fall in clusters.

So India is not yet out of a tricky situation but signs are good and its likely to be out of it if they just make sure they bat for 3 sessions cos runs will come on this pitch if you just stay. As for England, they just have to believe in themselves and keep putting pressure and you never know when things will change.
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India 451/7.

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All the things happened. India batted well. Wickets were gifted away. Wickets fell in clusters. But King Kohli to the rescue along with the great Jayant to get us to a commanding position.
 
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India will get 510 all out. Bowl England out for 220 and chase down a score of 100-120 with 7 8 wickets in hand
 
No doubt the Indians are now in the driver's seat at the end of day 3, but to win this match they have lots of work left to do. If they can bat until lunch on day 4th and add some 90-100 runs, then they are really in the driver's seat. Then by the end of 4th day England could be 50-60 runs ahead with some 5 or so wickets left. By middle of 5th day the Indians could be batting wIth some 120-130 runs to score to win. Which they can, even on a 5th day wicket. All conjecture..... in short BS .... but could happen. All depends on how the wicket behaves and how the Englishmen play the spin ..... should be fun ..... Test Match Cricket..... at it's very Best.
 
India has an edge..

England seems to be failing to catch on big moments quite a few times in this whole series.
 
My Day-4 Predictions:

India to be bowled out under 500. I will go with a range of 475-500. England batting 2nd to make around 175-225 for loss of at least 6-7 wkts. Ashwin 3 wkts min.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
India 451/7.

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All the things happened. India batted well. Wickets were gifted away. Wickets fell in clusters. But King Kohli to the rescue along with the great Jayant to get us to a commanding position.
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Is it time to give "God" status in Indian cricket to Kohli now? I mean the guy is doing better than Tendulkar in every format. What a player he really has been for India!
 
Tusker said:
My Day-4 Predictions:

India to be bowled out under 500. I will go with a range of 475-500. England batting 2nd to make around 175-225 for loss of at least 6-7 wkts. Ashwin 3 wkts min.
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so much for that prediction .... lol :))
 
Meh.. while we wanted an exciting 1 innings shoot out, King Kohli had other ideas. He's just ruthless :))
 
Tusker said:
My Day-4 Predictions:

India to be bowled out under 500. I will go with a range of 475-500. England batting 2nd to make around 175-225 for loss of at least 6-7 wkts. Ashwin 3 wkts min.
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Tusker said:
so much for that prediction .... lol :))
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Haha...cricket is a weird game. Happens.

But your prediction was actually based on logic which is what matters. I saw your post at that time and I felt you had given a more optimistic account for England's batting.

But I also felt that while history suggests England would get to 150-200 in 3rd innings.....this pitch is still good for batting so that prediction (Eng 220-6 or 7) could come true (with Indians feeling disappointed nevertheless).

Looks like the pitch is still good for scoring even though its turning viciously. Seems like the bounce and the way the ball is coming on to the bat is negating the effects of turn which makes run scoring possible even with wickets tumbling around. England could still have been bowled out today but our beloved Pappu has other ideas.

Should keep it tight and clean up English innings tomorrow.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Haha...cricket is a weird game. Happens.

But your prediction was actually based on logic which is what matters. I saw your post at that time and I felt you had given a more optimistic account for England's batting.

But I also felt that while history suggests England would get to 150-200 in 3rd innings.....this pitch is still good for batting so that prediction (Eng 220-6 or 7) could come true (with Indians feeling disappointed nevertheless).

Looks like the pitch is still good for scoring even though its turning viciously. Seems like the bounce and the way the ball is coming on to the bat is negating the effects of turn which makes run scoring possible even with wickets tumbling around. England could still have been bowled out today but our beloved Pappu has other ideas.

Should keep it tight and clean up English innings tomorrow.
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yep if only MSD was behind the stumps ... this match would have been done and dusted today. I wanted a inngs defeat (which is till possible) with Kohli making a triple 100. :(

Strange pitch though.
 
Tusker said:
yep if only MSD was behind the stumps ... this match would have been done and dusted today. I wanted a inngs defeat (which is till possible) with Kohli making a triple 100. :(

Strange pitch though.
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I actually thought its an excellent pitch. There are runs if you apply yourself, there are wickets if bowl well. In fact, I would go on to say that this has been the best pitch of this Indian season.

But I would love to give the pommies one rank turner like nagpur (?) last year where the game can be over in 3 days and where scoring 200 is like scoring 400.
 
Sidilicious said:
I actually thought its an excellent pitch. There are runs if you apply yourself, there are wickets if bowl well. In fact, I would go on to say that this has been the best pitch of this Indian season.

But I would love to give the pommies one rank turner like nagpur (?) last year where the game can be over in 3 days and where scoring 200 is like scoring 400.
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I say strange because the ball is turning square but at the same time we have posted a mammoth total and England has motored along at nearly 4 rpo on Day4 and wiped out most of the big lead. So if you look at just the score cards it looks like a flat patta but if you look at the no.of time the batsmen have been beaten ( and the manner in which it has happened ) it looks like a minefield.

Glad that we put up a big 241 run 8th wkt stand .... otherwise we would be in deep trouble right now without those runs. Of all the chances that England put down they might rue the chance that Root dropped of Jayant when he was in single digits. Funny game but by god is it a beautiful game or what !
 
Tusker said:
I say strange because the ball is turning square but at the same time we have posted a mammoth total and England has motored along at nearly 4 rpo on Day4 and wiped out most of the big lead. So if you look at just the score cards it looks like a flat patta but if you look at the no.of time the batsmen have been beaten ( and the manner in which it has happened ) it looks like a minefield.

Glad that we put up a big 241 run 8th wkt stand .... otherwise we would be in deep trouble right now without those runs. Of all the chances that England put down they might rue the chance that Root dropped of Jayant when he was in single digits. Funny game but by god is it a beautiful game or what !
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When did that happen?

Did Pappu drop that too?

Or are you talking about ball popping up and landing beyond short leg?
 
Iam talking about the chances that England put down particularly Root dropping Jayant when he was on 8.
 
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