Preferred pronouns and non-binary gender movement

[R3verse Swing]

Inducing hormones is totally relevant whether you like it or not.

It proves by inducing hormones, one can change their mental state, not their chromosomes.

 

[Traveller55]

You are now redefining English terms to suit your argument, Traveller55.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender
http://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gender-definition/en/
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender

Proof provided from oxford dictionary, dictionary.com and World Health Organization, that the term 'gender' does not equal 'sex' and the former (gender) is a social construct, not a biological one.


Thus your claim that i am 'redefining English terms' is proven false and dismissed by citation.

(see, this is how science works).

 

[R3verse Swing]

you are not an expert in the topic.

And you are?

 

[Traveller55]

Inducing hormones is totally relevant whether you like it or not.

It proves by inducing hormones, one can change their mental state, not their chromosomes.

Show us evidence of your claim. Not empty words from a nobody on the internet.

Citations...go !!

Nobody said you need to change chromosomes to change gender, as I've already proven via citation that gender does not equal sex ( from dictionaries themselves !!).

 

[Traveller55]

And you are?

Nope. but i provided an expert citation. You have not. So my citation of expert >>> your empty words.
Simple.

 

[R3verse Swing]

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender
http://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gender-definition/en/
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/gender

Proof provided from oxford dictionary, dictionary.com and World Health Organization, that the term 'gender' does not equal 'sex' and the former (gender) is a social construct, not a biological one.


Thus your claim that i am 'redefining English terms' is proven false and dismissed by citation.

(see, this is how science works).

In other words, a mental condition. AssasinatedDevil and Faraz39 cited evidence supporting this very fact that Gender (or whatever you want to call it) is both a Mental (and Social condition), and now you eventually agree with them, and the evidence they cited.

In other words, you claim was falsified. This is how science works.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Nope. but i provided an expert citation. You have not. So my citation of expert >>> your empty words.
Simple.

Riiiigggghhhhhhttttttttt!

So providing an expert citation makes you an expert and gives you the right to claim no one is an expert.

Got it.

 

[Traveller55]

Riiiigggghhhhhhttttttttt!

So providing an expert citation makes you an expert and give you the right to claim no one is an expert.

Got it.

Nope, providing an expert citation proves that i am deferring to expert knowledge on the matter, instead of passing off my opinions as facts.

You are not an expert, because this is the internet and we don't know who people really are. Same applies for me. Which is why i cited an expert source to back-up my position.

You haven't.

 

[Traveller55]

In other words, a mental condition. AssasinatedDevil and Faraz39 cited evidence supporting this very fact that Gender (or whatever you want to call it) is both a Mental (and Social condition), and now you eventually agree with them, and the evidence they cited.

In other words, you claim was falsified. This is how science works.

Faraz cited no evidence. he cited opinions. Difference.
AssaninatedDevil cited evidence of it being a mental condition. His disputing of the fact that it is real and not imaginary, has been dismissed with evidence and he didn't challenge the evidence, either.

You seem to be confused, because my position is not whether its an illness/natural/unnatural or not. Those are value judgements.

I am simply proving, that it is REAL, evidenced by biology. It has a physical basis to being different and thus, is real.

FYI, Faraz's own citation proved that there is just as much biological evidence for trans as cis-gender.
Notice how after i pointed that out, he disappeared.

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR CITATION.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You are back to your "evidenced by biology" mantra when moments ago you were referring to Endocrinology, which is Physiology coupled with MEDICINE.

Within the realms of Biology, Chromosomes XX and XY refute your claim. Just because one feels like the opposite of their chromosomes, doesn't mean they are thus do not deserve a preferred pronoun.

You yourself have stated that *Gender* is a Hormonal and Social state.

A Hormonal and Social state can be rectified or modified. This means, if a Women feels like a Man due to a hormone imbalance or social conditioning, then it can be rectified through induction of hormones and medicine or social conditioning - ergo - there is no need for preferred pronouns - just people wanting to be different because they seek attention.

Chromosone, ala DNA, can neither be rectified nor modified. Meaning if one is born a Female/Male (XX/XY), one remains a Female/Male (XX/XY) till the day they die - no matter what one's social/hormonal condition - this is a Biological fact.

The only aspect of this discussion which has been proven, is your POV, which has been proved wrong - by your own words.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Faraz cited no evidence. he cited opinions. Difference.
AssaninatedDevil cited evidence of it being a mental condition. His disputing of the fact that it is real and not imaginary, has been dismissed with evidence and he didn't challenge the evidence, either.

You seem to be confused, because my position is not whether its an illness/natural/unnatural or not. Those are value judgements.

I am simply proving, that it is REAL, evidenced by biology. It has a physical basis to being different and thus, is real.

FYI, Faraz's own citation proved that there is just as much biological evidence for trans as cis-gender.
Notice how after i pointed that out, he disappeared.

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR CITATION.

Emphasis on Bold.

I rest my case Traveller55. You say one thing one minute, and in the next breath, something else.

Enjoy your time in this thread.

Best!

 

[Traveller55]

Emphasis on Bold.

You are again, confused.

citation :https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/citation
evidence: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

As you can see, citation does not equal evidence.
Citation is simply a reference. I can cite Game of Thrones for dragons. Does not mean I have presented EVIDENCE of dragons.

I rest my case Traveller55. You say one thing one minute, and in the next breath, something else.

Enjoy your time in this thread.

Best!

You have no case, because you are simply peddling unsupported opinions and your lack of understanding of the English language is the primary hurdle.

1. I have proven via citation that gender does not equal sex. From multiple dictionaries and World Health Organization.

2. I have proven via citation, where the expert source (a PhD in Biology) presents evidence that trans-gender is based on biological difference from cis-gender, as evidenced from hormonal differences.


You on the other hand, has presented no citation or evidence. Just empty words.

 

[Traveller55]

You are back to your "evidenced by biology" mantra when moments ago you were referring to Endocrinology, which is Physiology coupled with MEDICINE.

You are confused. Endocrinology is a subset of biology, just like cardiology is a subset of physiology.

Within the realms of Biology, Chromosomes XX and XY refute your claim. Just because one feels like the opposite of their chromosomes, doesn't mean they are thus do not deserve a preferred pronoun.

If the feeling is due to specific biological reasons, such as differences in the endocrine glands and differing balance of endocrine systems, then it is as real as any biological phenomena.

It has also been cited by a rival's evidence (Faraz) that the biological phenomena for trans-gender is EQUALLY VALID AND EVIDENCED as biological phenomena for cis-gender.

So you are wrong.

You yourself have stated that *Gender* is a Hormonal and Social state.

Hormonal is a biological factor.
Its as biological as feeling of hunger, which is an enzymatic state. They all have actual, biological phenomena behind it.
Citation already provided.

A Hormonal and Social state can be rectified or modified. This means, if a Women feels like a Man due to a hormone imbalance or social conditioning, then it can be rectified through induction of hormones and medicine or social conditioning - ergo - there is no need for preferred pronouns - just people wanting to be different because they seek attention.

Sure. Your feeling of hunger can be rectified or modified by permanently pumping you full of food. Doesn't mean hunger is all of a sudden, not a biologically empirical phenomena.

There is need for the pronouns, because Faraz's own citing showed that the biology behind cis and trans-gender are equally evidenced. Ergo, if we are giving pronouns to cis-gendered, then trans-genders, who are equally valid, also deserve a pronoun. Its basic exercise in human decency and consistency.

You are yet again confused as to people 'wanting to be different'. A trans-gender person 'wants to feel' like their preferred gender as much as YOU 'want to feel' like a man. That is also cited by expert sources. so you are wrong yet again.

Chromosone, ala DNA, can neither be rectified nor modified. Meaning if one is born a Female/Male (XX/XY), one remains a Female/Male (XX/XY) till the day they die - no matter what one's social/hormonal condition - this is a Biological fact.

Irrelevant. Nobody is arguing that cis-gender is cis-sexual. Sex is different from gender, already proven by dictionary evidence.

The only aspect of this discussion which has been proven, is your POV, which has been proved wrong - by your own words.

You clearly do not understand the definition of the word 'proof'.
Its not what you or I say, unless you wish to mathematically demonstrate a proof.

It is by citations.
I have cited a biologist, who has given biological basis to trans-gender.
My opposition (one of the few who actually tried to evidence their position- but still failed) provided citation from psychiatrists who confirm that the biological & social basis for cis and trans-gendered phenomena are equally valid
I further cited dictionary definition of what constitutes a proof and what is citation.

You are batting at 0.
0 citation
0 proofs quoted


Sorry, you can keep repeating yourself, but we can all see who has quoted experts from the field of science and who is just running his mouth like a broken record fanatic and refusing to provide any evidence or proof of what he is saying.

 

[Traveller55]

To further show Reverse Swing's confusion and obfuscation of :
" You are back to your "evidenced by biology" mantra when moments ago you were referring to Endocrinology, which is Physiology coupled with MEDICINE", here is proof of Endocrinology being subset of biology:

https://opentextbc.ca/biology/chapter/11-4-endocrine-system/
https://rbej.biomedcentral.com/about

One is a high-school text-book. The other is a website of 300+ peer reviewed journals ON BIOLOGY.
Both classify endocrinology as a subset of biology.
This isn't shocking, this is basic knowledge. Just like how 'digital systems' is a subset of electronics/electrical engineering.

This is a case-study on what happens when people argue, with a pre-conceived notion of right/wrong of the argument and run counter to science, while lacking a solid grasp of science.
Zero citations, basic confusion of details (and going into details is seen as changing goal-posts) and continuous yammering of the same refuted ideas, while providing zero supporting evidence.

 

[Abdullah719]

Justin Trudeau Regrets ‘Peoplekind’: ‘I Made a Dumb Joke’

LONDON — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada is known for pushing boundaries on how politicians deal with gender and the language surrounding it. And he appeared to have done it again recently when he told a woman she should use “peoplekind” instead of “mankind.”

But on Wednesday, days after video footage of the exchange spurred accusations of sexism, Mr. Trudeau told reporters that he had made “a dumb joke.”

“You all know that I don’t necessarily have the best of track records on jokes.”

What was all the fuss about? Here’s a primer.


Maternal love at the town hall

The exchange occurred on Thursday in a town-hall-style meeting in Edmonton, Alberta. The unidentified woman complimented him for recognizing the “ability and power that women actually possess.”

Then she said, “Maternal love is the love that’s going to change the future of mankind.”

The prime minister interrupted her: “We like to say ‘peoplekind,’ not necessarily ‘mankind.’ It’s more inclusive.”

The crowd cheered, footage shows.

“We can all learn from each other,” he said, with a beatific smile.

But others were not having it.


Critics pounce

Much of the derision came from British, Australian and American commentators, and from the conservative and far-right fringes. They accused Mr. Trudeau of “virtue signaling” and political correctness run amok.

A conservative tabloid, The Toronto Sun, accused Mr. Trudeau of “mansplaining” and unfurled footage of what it called the “gaffe-tastic” prime minister’s top three malfunctions.

The American political commentator Ben Shapiro lobbed insults like “idiotic” and “sycophantic.” The Australian conservative commentator Rita Panahi said Mr. Trudeau’s use of “peoplekind” was an attempt to “appease those desperate to find offense where none exists.”

Christina Sommers, the author of “Who Stole Feminism?” and a resident scholar at American Enterprise Institute, posted on Twitter: “Dear [MENTION=4708]Justin[/MENTION]Trudeau Using the word “mankind” is fine. Publicly embarrassing someone for using it is not.”

Robyn Urback, a columnist for CBC News, and Michelle Rempel, a Canadian politician, also scolded Mr. Trudeau.

In an appearance in Ottawa on Wednesday, Mr. Trudeau acknowledged, “I made a dumb joke a few days ago that seems to have gone a little viral.

“It played well in the room and in context. Out of context, it doesn’t play so well, and it’s a little reminder to me that I shouldn’t be making jokes even when I think they’re funny.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/world/canada/justin-trudeau-peoplekind.html

 

[humzy]

To further show Reverse Swing's confusion and obfuscation of :
" You are back to your "evidenced by biology" mantra when moments ago you were referring to Endocrinology, which is Physiology coupled with MEDICINE", here is proof of Endocrinology being subset of biology:

https://opentextbc.ca/biology/chapter/11-4-endocrine-system/
https://rbej.biomedcentral.com/about

One is a high-school text-book. The other is a website of 300+ peer reviewed journals ON BIOLOGY.
Both classify endocrinology as a subset of biology.
This isn't shocking, this is basic knowledge. Just like how 'digital systems' is a subset of electronics/electrical engineering.

This is a case-study on what happens when people argue, with a pre-conceived notion of right/wrong of the argument and run counter to science, while lacking a solid grasp of science.
Zero citations, basic confusion of details (and going into details is seen as changing goal-posts) and continuous yammering of the same refuted ideas, while providing zero supporting evidence.

Male and Female aside, what do you think of the 30 other gender pronouns?

What if it keeps increasing. What is the scientific argument for new gender pronouns?

Where do we draw the line in terms of legal backing, for example racial identity? species identity?

 

[Traveller55]

Male and Female aside, what do you think of the 30 other gender pronouns?

I don't know all of them. Its a learning process. My understanding is, the other gender pronouns are acknowledged to be required, but there is no consensus on what it should be.

What if it keeps increasing. What is the scientific argument for new gender pronouns?

The scientific argument for more gender pronouns, as already evidenced in this thread by citations of biology, are:

Human sexuality (both in terms of sexual attraction and gender identity) is a spectrum, not discrete.
Some people are straight, some people are gay, some people are true bi-sexual, some people are semi-bisexual ( bi-curious), some people are bi-sexual with a major-minor preference (eg: a bisexual guy who has sexual attraction to women and men but more towards women than men or vice versa) and some people are just plain asexual.

Same with gender- some people are genderless, some people are masculine and some people are feminine. Even masculinity and femininity has its spectrum - some men are okay to 'show the feels', some women are okay to 'be rough and tough, tom-boy-ish'.

This is a new field and much more research needs to be done to fully flesh-out the various pronouns and types.
As the research gets done, I am sure we will see how many new pronouns are necessary to validate the differences in our own species.

Where do we draw the line in terms of legal backing, for example racial identity? species identity?

Biological basis. The same legal fine line we draw between the fact of 'being hungry' and ' I spoke to God yesterday' - one has a biological basis, can be evidenced by various hormones/enzymes, the other is a simple, unsubstantiated thought that cannot be verified in such a specific way.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The pronoun argument is a joke.

The absurd logic can be applied to when one comes to filling out ones age on a form: even though one was born 60 they will enter 25 because at heart they feel like 25.

 

[Traveller55]

The pronoun argument is a joke.

The absurd logic can be applied to when one comes to filling out ones age on a form: even though one was born 60 they will enter 25 because at heart they feel like 25.

You can keep repeating your flawed opinions, but I've already proven in this thread that their feelings are based on biology, just like the feeling of hunger or hornyness is based on biology.

It isn't our problem that your ignorance lets you confuse between what is purely an idea (such as the examples you give) versus what is a biologically driven fact.

Which is why you fail to provide evidence but simply cannot quit commenting- knee jerk opinions with zero vailidity.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Brings a whole new meaning to being young at heart.

 

[Traveller55]

Brings a whole new meaning to being young at heart.

if there is biological evidence, as presented, then yes.

There is a difference between how one feels about hunger, tiredness, hornyness, gender, sex drive etc. and thinking one is young at heart, thinking they are 25 when they are 55,etc. The former group of ideas are biologically based, directly evidenced by hormones and enzymes. The latter are not.

As I keep saying, your ignorant views are irrelevant to the facts presented and if you had facts to back yourself up, you'd have presented it a long time ago.

 

[James]

Personally I find the whole thing bizarre and do not understand it at all, but from what I can see it does not seem to be harming anybody else, so let these people go about their business.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Time is relative. This is a fact. A fact proven in physics. Example, if I am 40 years on Earth, I am actually around 22 years old on Mars, around 3.5 years old on Jupiter, and around 66 years old on Venus. My age is calculated by the number of completed orbits.

So just because the number of complete orbits on Earth say I am 40, doesn't mean I am.

Which means, just because my age is say 40, doesn't mean I am!

Simples!

 

[R3verse Swing]

Personally I find the whole thing bizarre and do not understand it at all, but from what I can see it does not seem to be harming anybody else, so let these people go about their business.

It's not bizarre, it is category grade A - **.

Humanity started with 2 genders, but we have some pseudoscientists telling us that we could end up with 40 or more!

This world has gone PC mad I tell you!

 

[Traveller55]

Time is relative. This is a fact. A fact proven in physics. Example, if I am 40 years on Earth, I am actually around 22 years old on Mars, around 3.5 years old on Jupiter, and around 66 years old on Venus. My age is calculated by the number of completed orbits.

So just because the number of complete orbits on Earth say I am 40, doesn't mean I am.

Which means, just because my age is say 40, doesn't mean I am!

Simples!

time is relative, but rate of phenomena isn't and is a constant for the said phenomena.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about: in physics, time is relative TO THE FRAMES OF REFERENCE as we approach relativistic speed.
Meaning, between two frames of reference - for eg one a ship going at 0.9c and a stationary object, time will be interpreted diffrently. However, 1second still is the exact duration WITHIN the frame of reference- on the ship, 1 second lasts just as long for the person on the ship as 1 second on the stationary object.

 

[Traveller55]

It's not bizarre, it is category grade A - **.

Humanity started with 2 genders, but we have some pseudoscientists telling us that we could end up with 40 or more!

This world has gone PC mad I tell you!

We have authorities in biology telling us that there is more than 2 genders. Substantiated with proof.
Your comment is baseless ignorance, which is why you cannot find a single biologist who will agree with your POV.
The simple methodology of science is, when falsifiable evidence is presented, it wins over random opinions that are unsubstantiated, like yours.

PS: Humanity didn't start with 2 genders. Ancients were too stupid and ignorant to recognize more than 1 in most cultures.

 

[humzy]

Personally I find the whole thing bizarre and do not understand it at all, but from what I can see it does not seem to be harming anybody else, so let these people go about their business.

In Canada if you do not use the correct pronouns it can be legally considered a hate crime. Hate crime in the court of law is no small order.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

This thread has gotten way out of hand. It's been going around in circles since the past week. As admin I'm just reminding you guys to not make any of this discussion personal.

As I have posted before, there have been studies done by scientists and psychologists saying that converting a man into a woman isn't biologically possible due to the chromosomes they possessed when being born. But other studies have shown that it is possible to biologically change your "gender" which i personally don't understand since gender is a social construct as far as i know, so "biologically" changing something that is a social construct is beyond me. Nevertheless, it's an ongoing topic that much research is being done into it.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Time is relative. This is a fact. A fact proven in physics. Example, if I am 40 years on Earth, I am actually around 22 years old on Mars, around 3.5 years old on Jupiter, and around 66 years old on Venus. My age is calculated by the number of completed orbits.

So just because the number of complete orbits on Earth say I am 40, doesn't mean I am.

Which means, just because my age is say 40, doesn't mean I am!

Simples!

Best rebuttal to this gender pronoun discussion i've heard. POTW

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Personally I find the whole thing bizarre and do not understand it at all, but from what I can see it does not seem to be harming anybody else, so let these people go about their business.

Using their preferred pronouns won't cause any mayhem, but the problem arises in other scenarios.

There was a transgender MMA competitor (Fallon Fox) who was born a man but decided to transition into a woman. Now we naturally know that men possess a stronger and tougher physique than women. So naturally, this trannie went on to beat the living daylights out of women in the MMA. I dont think i need to explain how that is unfair to the women fighting Fallon Fox. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and allowing "women" born as men to join female-only competitions is defintiely crossing the line.

https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/ Link to a story about this MMA fighter

 

[Traveller55]

This thread has gotten way out of hand. It's been going around in circles since the past week. As admin I'm just reminding you guys to not make any of this discussion personal.

As I have posted before, there have been studies done by scientists and psychologists saying that converting a man into a woman isn't biologically possible due to the chromosomes they possessed when being born. But other studies have shown that it is possible to biologically change your "gender" which i personally don't understand since gender is a social construct as far as i know, so "biologically" changing something that is a social construct is beyond me. Nevertheless, it's an ongoing topic that much research is being done into it.

The scietists you've quoted, have not stated that GENDER cannot vary outside of XX and XY.
I have pointed out exactly where the biologist I quoted states that XX can be both male and female GENDER.

The reason it can be changed biologically and has a biological basis, is because gender ROLES are social construct (what a woman/man is supposed to be like)- however, the concept of being a man or a woman, is a matter of hormones in your head and varying compositions of it.
Hence you can be a different gender than your sex, biologically speaking and since its hormonal, it can be changed.

The confusion is simply because the term 'gender' and 'sex' are used interchangeably in English, but they are not used interchangeably in biology.
Sort of like how the word 'speed' and 'velocity' are used interchangeably in English but they are very separate things in physics and not interchangeable.

 

[Traveller55]

Using their preferred pronouns won't cause any mayhem, but the problem arises in other scenarios.

There was a transgender MMA competitor (Fallon Fox) who was born a man but decided to transition into a woman. Now we naturally know that men possess a stronger and tougher physique than women. So naturally, this trannie went on to beat the living daylights out of women in the MMA. I dont think i need to explain how that is unfair to the women fighting Fallon Fox. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, and allowing "women" born as men to join female-only competitions is defintiely crossing the line.

https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/ Link to a story about this MMA fighter

This can be easily stopped and is already regulated in certain nations ( Holland for eg), where trannies have to fall between the women's testosterone levels to compete in women's sports.

Another way, that Canada is exploring, is to allow trans-gender to compete in their preffered gender sport, if and only if they've had gender-reassignment surgery and the consequent hormone therapy.

 

[humzy]

This can be easily stopped and is already regulated in certain nations ( Holland for eg), where trannies have to fall between the women's testosterone levels to compete in women's sports.

Another way, that Canada is exploring, is to allow trans-gender to compete in their preffered gender sport, if and only if they've had gender-reassignment surgery and the consequent hormone therapy.

That doesn't mean the issue is solved. If you transition from a man to woman your bone structure and tendons and ligaments will be quiet different to that of a female regardless of your test levels. And this is dangerous in a sport like MMA.

Let me know when they can change a persons hand size, knuckle size, shoulder width, jaw strength. Then we can say the issue is beginning to be solved.

 

[Traveller55]

That doesn't mean the issue is solved. If you transition from a man to woman your bone structure and tendons and ligaments will be quiet different to that of a female regardless of your test levels. And this is dangerous in a sport like MMA.

Please substantiate the claim that men and women have different bone/ligament structure. I am aware that men have different musco-skeletal structure, with being stronger at the top, etc. But bones and ligaments ?! pretty sure they snap all the same.

In any-case, are you aware that men who undergo gender-reassignment surgery drop muscle mass, etc ?

I am sure if there is a XX who still had humongous physical superiority despite having undergone the hormone and gender re-assignment surgery, they can be made to compete with the men.

Let me know when they can change a persons hand size, knuckle size, shoulder width, jaw strength. Then we can say the issue is beginning to be solved.

This again, is a very minor issue that affects very specific field of sports. Where a tiny, tiny fraction of the populace get to make a living.
Yet, the vast majority of trans-gender people are being denied basic courtesy of pronouns, when it is a biological fact that they are transgender and the whole 'unfair advantage' scenario literally does not apply to 99.99% of working people's lives.

So I'd say this minor wrinkle in the issue (sports of transgender) is small potatoes compared to the far bigger issue of trans-oppression by denying them basic recognition.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Purdue University wants to ban the word "man" because it is "offensive." Welcome to 2018. <a href="https://t.co/i9bVc7IIYS">pic.twitter.com/i9bVc7IIYS</a></p>— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) <a href="https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/969789220234567680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 3, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[The_KING]

Honestly, I have become incredibly annoyed by people putting their pronouns in their bio on their social media page. It's a movement that seem to have started 3-4 years ago and it annoys the hell out of me. I was just on some man's twitter page and he had the pronouns 'he', 'his' and 'him' in his bio. This man in question has a beard, so it's not like people are going to assume that his pronouns are 'she' and 'her'.

The question is why are people suddenly doing this? Is this yet another liberal woke movement? It seems like this is yet another attempt by the corrupt and immoral radical left to destroy our traditional values and change the traditional concept of men and women.

 

[SalimBhai]

I do find this pronoun thing absurd. I am all for LGBT rights. But this pronoun thing I don’t get.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Honestly, I have become incredibly annoyed by people putting their pronouns in their bio on their social media page. It's a movement that seem to have started 3-4 years ago and it annoys the hell out of me. I was just on some man's twitter page and he had the pronouns 'he', 'his' and 'him' in his bio. This man in question has a beard, so it's not like people are going to assume that his pronouns are 'she' and 'her'.

The question is why are people suddenly doing this? Is this yet another liberal woke movement? It seems like this is yet another attempt by the corrupt and immoral radical left to destroy our traditional values and change the traditional concept of men and women.

They want to feel special and make people notice them. Just like you did.

 

[sweep_shot]

Honestly, I have become incredibly annoyed by people putting their pronouns in their bio on their social media page. It's a movement that seem to have started 3-4 years ago and it annoys the hell out of me. I was just on some man's twitter page and he had the pronouns 'he', 'his' and 'him' in his bio. This man in question has a beard, so it's not like people are going to assume that his pronouns are 'she' and 'her'.

The question is why are people suddenly doing this? Is this yet another liberal woke movement? It seems like this is yet another attempt by the corrupt and immoral radical left to destroy our traditional values and change the traditional concept of men and women.

These are all Satanic agendas.

All these stuffs make me more and more convinced there is a sinister deep state behind the scene. They want to destroy everything that is good, normal, and traditional.

 

[The_KING]

These are all Satanic agendas.

All these stuffs make me more and more convinced there is a sinister deep state behind the scene. They want to destroy everything that is good, normal, and traditional.

Definitely seems that way. The western world is headed in the wrong direction.