Presidential form of government in Pakistan?

[Strike Rate]

Are you in favor of Presidential form of Government in Pakistan

An old document from 10th July 1947 says Quaid-e-Azam wanted a Presidential form of govt in Pakistan & rejected Parliamentary form at that time.

 

[Strike Rate]

I know it's hard and almost impossible to change whole system after 7 decades but if this Parliamentary system isn't working in our country why not give the other system a try.

 

[KarachiKing]

it was tried in the 60s wasnt it?

And in a country like Pakistan where there is cult worshipping, it is gonna make politics even more dirty

 

[Strike Rate]

it was tried in the 60s wasnt it?

That wasn't in pure form that was more like dictatorship.

 

[KarachiKing]

That wasn't in pure form that was more like dictatorship.

well its not pure form of parliamentary either

 

[CricketCartoons]

Nothing is going to change if people continue to sit on their sorry posteriors. or go back to their normal daily lives after a few days sitting at a dharna. in a healthy democracy the government fears the public, but in pakistan the government only fears the army.

 

[Strike Rate]

We should go for Presidential form of Govt otherwise this British system is never going to work in Pakistan no matter how many decades we see without any marshal law we will still see these same people without vision becoming PMs and CMs by investing on electable candidates from different constituencies. This current system is a joke with corrupt leadership able to do anything.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Did parliamentary system work out for us? I dont think so.

No harm in trying Presidential one, but can it be applied?? Or will it be applied?

 

[Syed1]

Presidential form of government isn't the best either.

The two nominees for the US presidential race are Trump and Hillary. I rest my case.

 

[Strike Rate]

Did parliamentary system work out for us? I dont think so.

No harm in trying Presidential one, but can it be applied?? Or will it be applied?

It can be applied but the forces against it in Pakistan are so powerful they will always make sure it never happens!

 

[Strike Rate]

Presidential form of government isn't the best either.

The two nominees for the US presidential race are Trump and Hillary. I rest my case.

But they also had many better candidates and presidents before them.

 

[Markhor]

Politicians who are corrupt in one system will be corrupt in another.

Seems like change for change's sake. What would be the benefits of a such a move ? Pakistan would be better spent strengthening its judiciary, enforcing rule of law and accountability and enhancing local democracy.

 

[Strike Rate]

Politicians who are corrupt in one system will be corrupt in another.

Seems like change for change's sake. What would be the benefits of a such a move ? Pakistan would be better spent strengthening its judiciary, enforcing rule of law and accountability and enhancing local democracy.

At least people will have a direct say in that system here all you need is support of electable candidates to become PM/CM no matter how big clown you are and what is your vision. Giving power to local govt is out of question under current system in Pak where all the funds go to MNA/MPA directly.

 

[WebGuru]

Pakistan really need presidential system of govt but without 2/3 majority how can IK/PTI Govt go for it?

 

[Syed1]

I'm not in favour of presidential form of government. IK is a true national leader and won from everywhere. He feels the pain of every Pakistani irrespective of which province he/she hails from.



What is preventing someone like Nawaz Sharif using the population advantage of Punjab to become president and then work for just his own province while neglecting every other province.



I think before elections someone asked this question from IK regarding a presidential form of government and he replied similar to what I have said.

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm not in favour of presidential form of government. IK is a true national leader and won from everywhere. He feels the pain of every Pakistani irrespective of which province he/she hails from.



What is preventing someone like Nawaz Sharif using the population advantage of Punjab to become president and then work for just his own province while neglecting every other province.



I think before elections someone asked this question from IK regarding a presidential form of government and he replied similar to what I have said.

You get around your reservations by a form of electoral College, where for example the smaller provinces get more electoral college votes.

 

[warcry]

China has brought 800 million people out of poverty, and it is a 1 party system with a communist government. Private companies and the market, is highly regulated compared to the free market system.

Perhaps this sort of system would be better suited to fixing pakistan's woes ?

My personal issue is with the concept of one man one vote. Giving people of pakistan the power to vote has resulted in useless government after useless government, The PPP ,then the PMLN and now the PTI,

which brings me to this hypothesis: Perhaps the people who are capable of winning elections, do not have the skills neccessary to run this country. And those who should run this country, do not have the skills to contest and win elections.

 

[Pak Warrior]

It's hard to know if this is better than what system we have now. I think because of corruption we should adopt a limit to the number of times one can be PM or president. Maybe 3 terms is the limit? It would be good if one of our PM can actually even serve 1 full 5 yr term. Honestly I don't think President system will have much better impact because there is other problems like corruption, and lack of rule of law. We may end up with same problems or worse just under a different label of govt.

 

[Ronaldo7]

It's hard to know if this is better than what system we have now. I think because of corruption we should adopt a limit to the number of times one can be PM or president. Maybe 3 terms is the limit? It would be good if one of our PM can actually even serve 1 full 5 yr term. Honestly I don't think President system will have much better impact because there is other problems like corruption, and lack of rule of law. We may end up with same problems or worse just under a different label of govt.

No Pakistani PM has even completed the full term.

 

[Pak Warrior]

No Pakistani PM has even completed the full term.

Yes I know I stated in my post. It's very sad

 

[Bilal7]

China has brought 800 million people out of poverty, and it is a 1 party system with a communist government. Private companies and the market, is highly regulated compared to the free market system.

Perhaps this sort of system would be better suited to fixing pakistan's woes ?

My personal issue is with the concept of one man one vote. Giving people of pakistan the power to vote has resulted in useless government after useless government, The PPP ,then the PMLN and now the PTI,

which brings me to this hypothesis: Perhaps the people who are capable of winning elections, do not have the skills neccessary to run this country. And those who should run this country, do not have the skills to contest and win elections.

Exactly. The system should be scrapped and one that gives more permanance to those in power should be implemented. An Amarat-styled system would work superbly well, in my opinion. Leaders should spend their time working to improve the country instead of worrying about re-election.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

These two tweets of Hawaaldaar & Hawaaldaarni are the reasons for bumping of this thread.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">حالات مزید خراب ہونے پراسٹبلشمنٹ بھٹو صاحب کی طرح عمران خان کو بھی سویلین مارشل لا ایڈمنسٹریٹر بنانے کا سوچ سکتی ہے؟پھر نیا آیین آٹھارھوین ترمیم نکال کے بنایا جاسکتا ہے؟احتساب کا عمل تیز کیا جاسکتا ہے ؟ بیورو کریسی کو نتھ ڈالی جا سکتی ہے؟سارے صوبوں میں گورنر راج بھی لگانا پڑے گا؟</p>— Rabi Pirzada (@Rabipirzada) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rabipirzada/status/1112662583033692161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am beginning to feel tht PAKISTAN needs Presidential system to get rid of the powerful MNA/MPA influence, abolition of large Provinces & Administrative Divisions made into smaller Provinces with powerful/empowered directly elected local body Governments.</p>— Hamza Ali Abbasi (@iamhamzaabbasi) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamhamzaabbasi/status/1113209979438280704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


After Facebook Crackdown will Jack at Twitter also do a similar Crack down or not ?

 

[Pakistanian]

I'm not in favour of presidential form of government. IK is a true national leader and won from everywhere. He feels the pain of every Pakistani irrespective of which province he/she hails from.



What is preventing someone like Nawaz Sharif using the population advantage of Punjab to become president and then work for just his own province while neglecting every other province.



I think before elections someone asked this question from IK regarding a presidential form of government and he replied similar to what I have said.

Well if Pak followed the American version of the Presidential system then a President won't get elected by just winning the absolute majority of the popular vote but by winning the electoral vote and although Punjab would have the most electoral votes for having the largest population but a candidate would have to win at least 2-3 provinces to win the electoral college.

 

[warcry]

Exactly. The system should be scrapped and one that gives more permanance to those in power should be implemented. An Amarat-styled system would work superbly well, in my opinion. Leaders should spend their time working to improve the country instead of worrying about re-election.

The problem lies in scrapping the system. No elected government is going to scrap the system that got them into power in the first place. Perhaps after 5 years of IK, a few will realize that true Tabdeeli does not come through elections.

This system is rigged into ensuring that the right people do not get power, and the right people do not get power, the wrong people get power.And when the wrong people get power, we get a country on the verge of bankruptcy.

 

[WebGuru]

These two tweets of Hawaaldaar & Hawaaldaarni are the reasons for bumping of this thread.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">حالات مزید خراب ہونے پراسٹبلشمنٹ بھٹو صاحب کی طرح عمران خان کو بھی سویلین مارشل لا ایڈمنسٹریٹر بنانے کا سوچ سکتی ہے؟پھر نیا آیین آٹھارھوین ترمیم نکال کے بنایا جاسکتا ہے؟احتساب کا عمل تیز کیا جاسکتا ہے ؟ بیورو کریسی کو نتھ ڈالی جا سکتی ہے؟سارے صوبوں میں گورنر راج بھی لگانا پڑے گا؟</p>— Rabi Pirzada (@Rabipirzada) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rabipirzada/status/1112662583033692161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am beginning to feel tht PAKISTAN needs Presidential system to get rid of the powerful MNA/MPA influence, abolition of large Provinces & Administrative Divisions made into smaller Provinces with powerful/empowered directly elected local body Governments.</p>— Hamza Ali Abbasi (@iamhamzaabbasi) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamhamzaabbasi/status/1113209979438280704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


After Facebook Crackdown will Jack at Twitter also do a similar Crack down or not ?

The rumours are already in market from 2 months these 2 tweets are a few days old and maybe your source of knowledge is twitter but not mine and trust me we are not on PMLN payroll to bump threads like you do and thn you run away when you are caught...

 

[Bewal Express]

The rumours are already in market from 2 months these 2 tweets are a few days old and maybe your source of knowledge is twitter but not mine and trust me we are not on PMLN payroll to bump threads like you do and thn you run away when you are caught...

He runs when challenged, the mods need to take notice. I will send a message to the mods because he is paid troll spreading Noora lies. I challenged him on all his lies a few days back and he ran like he does.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well if Pak followed the American version of the Presidential system then a President won't get elected by just winning the absolute majority of the popular vote but by winning the electoral vote and although Punjab would have the most electoral votes for having the largest population but a candidate would have to win at least 2-3 provinces to win the electoral college.

It's the only way to go. The mafia must be defeated. Today showed that they have far too much power.

 

[WebGuru]

He runs when challenged, the mods need to take notice. I will send a message to the mods because he is paid troll spreading Noora lies. I challenged him on all his lies a few days back and he ran like he does.

And we all the know reason of him changing his view and seeing Noora as a new khalifa but when we start discussing the real reason he will complain to mods that we are targeting his faith.

 

[Bewal Express]

And we all the know reason of him changing his view and seeing Noora as a new khalifa but when we start discussing the real reason he will complain to mods that we are targeting his faith.

He has become a troll, the mods have given him a free ride and when he is trolled he complains. This is a discussion forum,not a forum for Noora propoganda which when challenged, they run.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

yep , better chance of a Leader coming up this was than parliamentary system .

 

[gazza619]

Presidential way is the only way!

 

[Bilal7]

The problem lies in scrapping the system. No elected government is going to scrap the system that got them into power in the first place. Perhaps after 5 years of IK, a few will realize that true Tabdeeli does not come through elections.

This system is rigged into ensuring that the right people do not get power, and the right people do not get power, the wrong people get power.And when the wrong people get power, we get a country on the verge of bankruptcy.

Imran Khan should do it. He has most of the nation behind him and the country is relatively free of any big problems at the moment. Also, it fits with the whole "Naya Pakistan" thing.

 

[Markhor]

Well if Pak followed the American version of the Presidential system then a President won't get elected by just winning the absolute majority of the popular vote but by winning the electoral vote and although Punjab would have the most electoral votes for having the largest population but a candidate would have to win at least 2-3 provinces to win the electoral college.

The US Electoral College is anti-democratic and was designed to benefit the old slave states in the south.

In 2000 and 2016 when you had the winner failing to win the popular vote then it makes a mockery of democracy.

Also the gridlock when the Presidency and Congress when in control of opposite parties makes governing impossible - which favours the status quo.

 

[WebGuru]

He has become a troll, the mods have given him a free ride and when he is trolled he complains. This is a discussion forum,not a forum for Noora propoganda which when challenged, they run.

Bumping old threads in excitement to bash IK/PTI and cheer for Nooras is his old habit and you know old habits die hard...

 

[Savak]

I believe the US presidential constitution is better suited to Pakistan's environment along with the need for more provinces and devolution of power at the grassroots.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bumping old threads in excitement to bash IK/PTI and cheer for Nooras is his old habit and you know old habits die hard...

I see he didnt have the balls to debate the excellent article in the Tribune about the the reasons for the depreciation

 

[The_Odd_One]

I think the US presidential system will work best for Pakistan. There is a strong need to eliminate monopoly of some families in the politics of Pakistan.

 

[Savak]

I think the US presidential system will work best for Pakistan. There is a strong need to eliminate monopoly of some families in the politics of Pakistan.

Another messed up thing about the parliamentary system is the fact that a minister cannot be appointed unless he is a member of the National Assembly, how messed up is that and how many competent people is Pakistan losing out on. This is not the case with the US presidential system where the President can appoint a congressman, a senator or anyone in his Cabinet.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Another messed up thing about the parliamentary system is the fact that a minister cannot be appointed unless he is a member of the National Assembly, how messed up is that and how many competent people is Pakistan losing out on. This is not the case with the US presidential system where the President can appoint a congressman, a senator or anyone in his Cabinet.

Even Trump who has been criticized so heavily has made some very good appointments, people with vast experience and proven success record in their areas of expertise.

 

[Savak]

Even Trump who has been criticized so heavily has made some very good appointments, people with vast experience and proven success record in their areas of expertise.

To be fair to IK, he has taken on board a lot of Musharraf cabinet appointees i.e. Abdul Razzaq Dawood, Dr Atta ur Rehman, Dr Ishrat Hussain, Zubeida Jalal and now i am hearing he is contemplating giving a role to Shaukat Tareen. But these guys because they aren't in the national assembly, they can't be appointed ministers but are merely advisors to the PM in the background. But atleast the signs are there that IK is putting the interests of the nation first and his putting his ego aside and if it means appointing or taking help from a highly competent individual who worked in previous administrations then so be it.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Najam Sethi summed it up brilliantly in a recent interview. Presidential system cannot work in Pakistan. Look at our history and you will find that it has only failed.

 

[Savak]

Najam Sethi summed it up brilliantly in a recent interview. Presidential system cannot work in Pakistan. Look at our history and you will find that it has only failed.

Najam Sethi has always been too close to the PML N and PPP. He never bashes or criticizes them as much as he criticizes PTI. I am not surprised to see him backing a system which is prone to corruption.

 

[WebGuru]

Najam Sethi summed it up brilliantly in a recent interview. Presidential system cannot work in Pakistan. Look at our history and you will find that it has only failed.

And in our history how many democratically elected president we had in 'presidential system'? Iskander, Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf none of them were elected.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Different countries have different political terrains and dynamics. You can't just plagiarize a foreign system of governance.

 

[Savak]

Different countries have different political terrains and dynamics. You can't just plagiarize a foreign system of governance.

The Pakistani systems which ever is adopted needs across the board checks and balances including the judiciary where frankly speaking some of the decisions they have been making in favour of the PPP and PML-N have been ridiculous

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The Pakistani systems which ever is adopted needs across the board checks and balances including the judiciary where frankly speaking some of the decisions they have been making in favour of the PPP and PML-N have been ridiculous

The same risks are involved in other political systems, NRO, under Musharraf, being the prime example.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The Pakistani systems which ever is adopted needs across the board checks and balances including the judiciary where frankly speaking some of the decisions they have been making in favour of the PPP and PML-N have been ridiculous

And do you seriously want a President of Pakistan choosing Supreme Court judge nominee? That's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Pete Rose]

And do you seriously want a President of Pakistan choosing Supreme Court judge nominee? That's a recipe for disaster.

Why is it a recipe for disaster

 

[Pete Rose]

Najam Sethi summed it up brilliantly in a recent interview. Presidential system cannot work in Pakistan. Look at our history and you will find that it has only failed.

Najam sethi like other Pakistani journalists is a leftist who see democratic purity as an ends to itself. The rest of Pakistan doesn’t have the luxury to wait until the sharifs and bhuttos tire of looting the country and leave politics so someone can take over.
In my opinion Pakistan should model itself to be an illiberal democracy where some liberties should be sacrificed. The judiciary, the security establishment, and the ruling political party should should work only to advance economic interest. If a political party fails to do so, it should be dismissed by the president

 

[Abdullah719]

PTI warned against introducing presidential form of govt

PESHAWAR: Awami National Party has warned the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf against introducing presidential form of government and rolling back the 18th Amendment.

Addressing a press conference here on Thursday, ANP newly-elected provincial president Aimal Wali Khan said that prime minister was bent upon rolling back the 18th Amendment.

He said that prime minister was waiting for green signal from his masters to rollback 18th Amendment, but ANP and other democratic forces would foil the plan of the government. He gave credit to former president Asif Ali Zardari and ANP chief Asfandyar Wali Khan for granting autonomy to provinces.

“Some forces are trying to rollback constitutional amendment,” said Aimal Wali. He said that ANP had rendered sacrifices for provincial autonomy. He added that puppet rulers had no right to play with the destiny of the nation as people would not accept decisions of the ‘illegitimate’ government.

Responding to a question, Aimal Wali said that politicians were being blackmailed in the name of accountability. He said that headquarters of National Accountability Bureau had become hubs of political activities and genuine politicians were being maligned.

He said that ANP would welcome transparent and across the board accountability and offered to start accountability from the top leadership of his party.

He said that NAB was ignoring billions of rupees of kickbacks and scandals in development projects in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Aimal Wali said that the people, who were spending 80 per cent of the federal budget, had been exempted from accountability and only those were being targeted who utilised only 20 per cent of the total budget. He asked the provincial government to make report of the provincial inspection team about Bus Rapid Transit project public.

He also demanded abolition of unnecessary checkposts and checkpoints in the tribal districts. He also demanded removal anti-personnel landmines from the conflict-hit areas of defunct Fata.

He said that there was administrative vacuum in the tribal districts after abolition of the colonial-era system and urged both judiciary and government to introduce proper judicial system in the merged areas. He said that judges of the superior courts wanted installation of proper judicial mechanism in those districts but the government was using delaying tactics.

He demanded immediate payment of compensation to the militancy-affected families to rebuild their damaged houses and announcement of National Finance Commission award. He said that government should start five million housing schemes from tribal districts.

Aimal Wali dispelled the impression about differences between Wali Bagh and Bilour family, saying that both families were inseparable. He said that there would be no compromise on the party discipline. He said that he would visit all districts to reconcile annoyed works and leaders of the party.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1475504/pti-warned-against-introducing-presidential-form-of-govt

 

[WebGuru]

The same risks are involved in other political systems, NRO, under Musharraf, being the prime example.

But Musharraf wasn't answerable to voters...

 

[WebGuru]

Different countries have different political terrains and dynamics. You can't just plagiarize a foreign system of governance.

The problem is we tried to implement this imported system from GB in a country totally opposite to Britain when we talk about dynamics like vadera system, beraadri system, no democracy within parties, low literacy rate in the country etc etc these things don't exist in GB where this very same system is doing wonders. You can't just import another system without doing necessary changes.

In Urban Punjab or Karachi an educated voter can go and vote as he wants but in rural Sindh or Punjab it's all upto vaderas and beraadris

 

[WebGuru]

Appointing Advisors and more advisors and removing Ministers is giving us a hint...

 

[MenInG]

PESHAWAR: Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Fazl chief Fazlur Rehman said that God willing his party will lockdown entire Islamabad after Ramadan in protest against the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf government.

“Instead of politicians, a government of technocrats is in making. Rather than elected representatives, selected few are running the government. Time demands the resignation of Prime Minister Imran Khan,” he said in a press conference.

The JUI-F chief said that the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) project has become a menace for the people of Peshawar as the project estimated to be Rs30bn has now touched Rs100 billion.

He said that the government should answer why it has stopped authorities from taking action on the recommendations of BRT project inspection report.

“The economy is at the ventilator and no one is here to improve it. The poor man is hit by massive inflation,” he said, “If Abdul Hafeez Shiekh was a thief in Zardari era why all of a sudden become all-clean now.”

The entire opposition agrees on having new polls, the presidential system is a symbol of dictatorship such experiments should not be encouraged, he said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/234813-will-lockdown-entire-islamabad-after-ramadan-warns-fazl

 

[Savak]

Why would any politician or businessman who truly loves the country be oppossed to technocrats as ministers? Shouldn't the best professionals be available for the job?

 

[WebGuru]

Why would any politician or businessman who truly loves the country be oppossed to technocrats as ministers? Shouldn't the best professionals be available for the job?

So what exactly is there for our corrupt politicians if they can't be ministers or if they don't have access to funds or if they can't manage the bureaucracy? They spend crores on campaigns to make billions they don't spend those crores to serve the people!

 

[Pakistanian]

Absolutely, this what the United States, all Latin American countries, the Philippines and Afghanistan have right now. Secretaries don't have to be elected to parliament, they can be the best for the job.

 

[warcry]

Presidential or Parliamentary system, it makes little difference. both are democratic and bound to fail.
the great philosopher Socrates, who observed democracy in a turbulent time in Athens, has reported to have said that a democratic system is only as good as the educational institutions.

This country made the grave error of being a democracy without building the fundamental systems that ensure that a democracy thrives, an educational system that produces competent administrators, and an educated populace that would be less likely to vote for incompetent buffoons.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Didn’t expose your London defamation attempt. Though later done by them (being truthful) whom you had trapped.<br>You habitually conjecture and lie. You are hereby invited in quoted briefing session but do ask your source to give u the date and let me know as well. Lies remain lies. <a href="https://t.co/kaUB1vTee4">https://t.co/kaUB1vTee4</a></p>— Asif Ghafoor (@peaceforchange) <a href="https://twitter.com/peaceforchange/status/1121762280465682433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WebGuru]

Bilawal thinks presidential form of govt is not democratic This guy really need a lesson on politics and democracy.

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Didn’t expose your London defamation attempt. Though later done by them (being truthful) whom you had trapped.<br>You habitually conjecture and lie. You are hereby invited in quoted briefing session but do ask your source to give u the date and let me know as well. Lies remain lies. <a href="https://t.co/kaUB1vTee4">https://t.co/kaUB1vTee4</a></p>— Asif Ghafoor (@peaceforchange) <a href="https://twitter.com/peaceforchange/status/1121762280465682433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ouch!

 

[Savak]

Not surprising to see the PPP and PML-N lobby against the Presidential form of government.

 

[shah_1]

If province autonomy is perserved then why not?

This country will break into pieces if there is one unit. 18th amendent is fundemental to survial of Pakistan as a whole. Imagine 99% of presidents will be punjabi because of sheer size of population and the provinces having no autonomy. Why would Sindhis, pastuns or baloch accept these people as leaders and their own people or leader have no say. This will create unrest and chaos.

Right now you see punjabi leaders being selected as PM but at least other provinces have autonomy and their leaders represent them as CM and provincial ministers


Before people attack me, I hate PPP and PML N. It useless to talk right now considering PTI don't have 2/3 majority

 

[WebGuru]

If province autonomy is perserved then why not?

This country will break into pieces if there is one unit. 18th amendent is fundemental to survial of Pakistan as a whole. Imagine 99% of presidents will be punjabi because of sheer size of population and the provinces having no autonomy. Why would Sindhis, pastuns or baloch accept these people as leaders and their own people or leader have no say. This will create unrest and chaos.

Right now you see punjabi leaders being selected as PM but at least other provinces have autonomy and their leaders represent them as CM and provincial ministers


Before people attack me, I hate PPP and PML N. It useless to talk right now considering PTI don't have 2/3 majority

A similar formula like senate can be followed just like every province is given the exact number of seats be it KP with 4 crore population or Punjab with 11 crore population.

But yea PTI don't have the numbers to get it passed from parliament for now.

 

[Savak]

A similar formula like senate can be followed just like every province is given the exact number of seats be it KP with 4 crore population or Punjab with 11 crore population.

But yea PTI don't have the numbers to get it passed from parliament for now.

There is a way out according to the constitution, the PM can order a referendum from the people of Pakistan and if they all vote in favor of the Presidential System, then the PM can adopt it bypassing the Parliament.

 

[WebGuru]

There is a way out according to the constitution, the PM can order a referendum from the people of Pakistan and if they all vote in favor of the Presidential System, then the PM can adopt it bypassing the Parliament.

PM will have to go to parliament first and get the bill passed thn he can order a referendum. That's what most analysts have been saying. Some are saying he will need a 2/3 majority and here PTI can't even get a bill passed with simple majority because of the numbers.

 

[Savak]

PM will have to go to parliament first and get the bill passed thn he can order a referendum. That's what most analysts have been saying. Some are saying he will need a 2/3 majority and here PTI can't even get a bill passed with simple majority because of the numbers.

I think one way out could be if the SC authorizes the referendum or takes some action on the pretext of Suo Motto without requiring Parliamentary involvement.

To be honest, i am done with the legal loopholes these parliamentarians exploit against national interest. If PTI has now realized that they have to act outside the system to fulfil their agenda for Pakistan then so be it, national interest and the state comes first. The Constitution is just a piece of paper, you cannot put the nation and country at stake for just a piece of paper.

 

[Slim]

Presidential system suits parties like PTI who have no competent leader other than their main leader.

 

[Savak]

Presidential system suits parties like PTI who have no competent leader other than their main leader.

We have seen the competency of the PPP Leadership with their Africa level output for the ten years in Sindh.

Yes, the current Westminister system in Pakistan suits the loot maar parties like PPP and PML-N

 

[gazza619]

Presidential system suits parties like PTI who have no competent leader other than their main leader.

Yeah and other parties are showering leaders left, right and centre.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Presidential System will be a disaster for Pakistan. Dont know why so many people here support it.
One it has been tried at least 3 times, and did not give good results. Two it will be a disaster for anyone who is not Punjabi, as a candidates will simply spend most of the time there, and focus on issues effecting Punjab. Three with a parliamentary system you need to make coalitions, and that's better for multi ethnic countries like Pakistan. With a Presidential System its more of a winner take all, instead of sharing power.

also we have to keep in mind there is no realistic way for there to be a change in the constitution, unless there is a martial law and a interim government is put in place and they create a new constitution. For all his faults credit needs to be given to Zardari for the 18th Amendment, so there is a small chance of this happening.

 

[KB]

Presidential System will be a disaster for Pakistan. Dont know why so many people here support it.
One it has been tried at least 3 times, and did not give good results. Two it will be a disaster for anyone who is not Punjabi, as a candidates will simply spend most of the time there, and focus on issues effecting Punjab. Three with a parliamentary system you need to make coalitions, and that's better for multi ethnic countries like Pakistan. With a Presidential System its more of a winner take all, instead of sharing power.

also we have to keep in mind there is no realistic way for there to be a change in the constitution, unless there is a martial law and a interim government is put in place and they create a new constitution. For all his faults credit needs to be given to Zardari for the 18th Amendment, so there is a small chance of this happening.

In addition, under a US presidential system the executive and legislature are formally separated where under the parliamentary system, there is a fusion of the two branches. Hence, the vast majority of the legislation passed in parliamentary systems actually comes from the executive. In the US on the other hand, it is the Congress that is proposing most of the legislation. In the US considerable executive efforts are made to lobby and persuade the legislature. In Pakistan where politics is often a zero-sum game, where the army is not a silent bystander, there are obvious dangers here.

Secondly, members would still have to be elected to the National Assembly under a US type presidential system. Many often lament the persistent presence of ‘electables’ in the lower house. ’Electables’ is short-hand for those ‘career’ or ‘professional’ politicians that possess financial and social capital that enables them to wield influence in localities. There are a variety of sources upon which their social networks and rootedness in local politics may derive from: economic power based on extensive land holdings; potential to capitalise on social bonds (‘biraderi’); ability to work though pir-murid networks; a ‘proven’ track record in being able to ‘deliver’ and ‘get things done’ on local development; being a member of a dynastic political family.

In a system where people are voting for a president and separately for a local representative in the National Assembly, I think it is quite possible that local factors in election contests for the latter will in fact be enhanced.

Thirdly, what none of this addresses is the weakness of parties as institutions. Party machines in Pakistan have historically been associated with decision making that is highly centralised and where authority flows less from formal party structures than charismatic leaders - this was the case with Jinnah, Bhutto and now Imran Khan. The progress a politician can make within the three major parties today depends on proximity and patronage of the top leadership. On the local level party infrastructure remains weak. Hence the reliance on local ‘electables’ rather than doing the much harder work of institutionalising popular enthusiasm and support by building firm organisational foundations stretching all the way to the local level. Switching to a presidential system does nothing to resolve this.

 

[Markhor]

Well said KB, the advocates of a Presidential system seem to view it as a magic cure without recognising its flaws.

There still would be the need for a national legislature to enact federal laws and these lawmakers would come from the same professional politician/landlord class that are part of the current Westminster system.

 

[szundercover]

Islamic presidential system should be imposed not a presidential system similar to the zionist system such as usa etc.Top religious scholars and intellectual scholars should create a draft for this system.

 

[Zeeraq]

PM Imran Khan dismisses possibility of presidential system

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan dismissed on Friday news regarding imminent imposition of presidential system in the country, saying that no thought has been put into any such idea.

PM Imran Khan was addressing reporters when he said that there existed a need for experts, which is why unelected people were made a part of the cabinet.

He further said that the opposition was trying to put pressure on the government in order to obtain any leverage under the National Reconciliation Ordinance, but it would not be granted.

He said that it was yet to be seen that how much the opposition cooperates when it comes to bills tabled for legislation, as it was related to people not politics.

“Asad Umar is still a part of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf government,” said the prime minister about the former finance minister, who was replaced by Adviser Hafeez Shaikh.

Last month, the major cabinet reshuffle came at a time of growing pressure with the rupee losing 30 percent of its value since the start of 2018, stirring sharp inflation.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi was also present during the prime minister's interaction with reporters.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/236094-pm-imran-khan-dismisses-possibility-of-presidential-system

 

[Savak]

These two pictures are just six months apart. Thank you IK.


A leader doesn't think about the next election, he thinks about the next generation. He might not even live long enough to see all these plantations grow into full fledged forests.

We need a good 20-30 years of this kind of rule. Look at what happened to Malaysia when Muhattir left

 

[Syed1]

We need a good 20-30 years of this kind of rule. Look at what happened to Malaysia when Muhattir left

Malaysia started to go Pakistan route as soon as Mahatir put up his boots. Poor guy had to come out of retirement at the age of 90 to set his nation back on the right path.


As soon as IK leaves the scene some descendant of the Sharif or Bhutto clan will emerge who will destroy everything.

 

[Savak]

Malaysia started to go Pakistan route as soon as Mahatir put up his boots. Poor guy had to come out of retirement at the age of 90 to set his nation back on the right path.


As soon as IK leaves the scene some descendant of the Sharif or Bhutto clan will emerge who will destroy everything.

Musharraf led Pakistan well and governed better than the likes of Benazir, Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif only for these badniyat individuals to come and take the nation back to square one.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Malaysia started to go Pakistan route as soon as Mahatir put up his boots. Poor guy had to come out of retirement at the age of 90 to set his nation back on the right path.


As soon as IK leaves the scene some descendant of the Sharif or Bhutto clan will emerge who will destroy everything.

IK needs to groom a successor. Who’s next?

 

[Bigboii]

IK needs to groom a successor. Who’s next?

Buzdar aka next Wasim Akram