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Just tuned in to watch a bit of the PSL today, first game ive seen this season, and the overseas bowling contingent consisted of odean smith, andew tye, qais ahmed and imran tahir.

imran tahir is 45, andrew tye is 38, odean smith has a domestic economy rate of nearly 10, and qais ahmed has played 2 t20is for afg

if that is the criteria why not just play oldies like umaid asif, sohail tanvir and yasir shah, would cost less, and pbly produce better results.

psl should cut down its oversea players to 3 per xi, cos at the moment some of these overseas players are worse than domestic pak players.
 
4 overseas slots is the standard practice in T20 leagues including IPL. The broadcast deals are dependent on the foreign stock
 
In the past I also advocated for less overseas players but this time its also just shocking selection.

I've got no idea how Tahir and Tye got picked up.

Odean plays on the circuit so would have got picked up, but picking him as a platinum is just ludicrous.

I think sadly the strength on the league is judged primarily on the number of overseas that register, and which countries they register from, than on their actual quality.
 
I can't imagine Andrew Tye and Imran Tahir are attracting many foreign eyes to the product.
 
Tahir is one of the all time greats of T20s.
Tye won Big Bash just a week ago with Perth Scorchers.
Odean Smith is pretty decent all rounder. Was picked for 6 crore by CSK last year.
I don't think franchises will pick these players just for the sake of it. They do look at the role these players are going to play and if they can't find someone local to fit into that role they go for internationals available.
 
One thing is for sure that a lot of the weaker looking players in the 11s seam to be the overseas picks 🤔
 
This year overseas players is not as bad compared to previous seasons, where you had Samit Patel, Luke Ronchi and other retired players performing like AB and Viv Richards. Actually this year there has surprisingly been some top overseas players, like Neesham, Shakib Al Hasan, Miller, its a bit surprising since PSL 6 and PSL 7 had a poor overseas players selection

5 Overseas players maximum in a squad of 18, while a maximum of 4 overseas players can play in starting 11. This is what I think they should do
 
I think it should be 3 overseas players, 2 emerging in the starting XI.
 
4 overseas is fine. This year the overseas pool is good. Karachi is the only team that have messed up their selections.
 
Saj said:
I think it should be 3 overseas players, 2 emerging in the starting XI.
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Yeah 2 emerging will make our league THE WORST in the world

The emerging player quota is disastrous for some teams
 
Sunny_majoka said:
How we gonna improve if we don't give enough chances to emerging players?
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You’ve got to be good enough. Make yourself worthy and you will play

What is the point of giving rubbish players like Bangalzai a playing spot?
 
i think its fair enough to have players to bolster the batting, rossouw, miller, etc are world class and Pakistani domestic batters are shambolically bad, my point was more on the bowling, those four i mentioned in the OP are not better than some of the locals who have been ignored.

also i dont agree that you have to have 4 overseas players, it makes sense in leagues with more teams, but when u have 6 teams, you can easily field 8 domestic players per xi. pooling that money together and potentially offering 33% more money would help in attracting actual world class players.
 
Afghanistan are playing UAE right now, if PCB had the brains (which unfortunately Sethi doesn’t have) then they would’ve negotiated with the ACB - give us your players for the entire PSL and only then will we play a series with you.

Najam Sethi has ZERO vision, how [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thinks he’s the greatest Chairman is beyond belief.
 
Rana said:
Yeah 2 emerging will make our league THE WORST in the world

The emerging player quota is disastrous for some teams
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Depends what your priority is:

Paying overseas players to take up 4 key spots in a team

Or, giving youngsters who are your future players a chance
 
Savak said:
4 overseas slots is the standard practice in T20 leagues including IPL. The broadcast deals are dependent on the foreign stock
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Playing with 4 OS players is not mandatory in IPL.
Some times they play with only 3 players.

Max limit is 4.
 
Saj said:
Depends what your priority is:

Paying overseas players to take up 4 key spots in a team

Or, giving youngsters who are your future players a chance
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I think this is the key issue.
As the franchises in T20 cricket grow ever more powerful, the priority to be successful will supersede international considerations.
It will need strong boards, across the world, to address this.

It has managed to work, to date, in football -- despite the global power of teams like Real Madrid, Man Utd, Man City etc, the international game has retained relevance (and to an extent supremacy, as witnessed by the recent World Cup).

Not sure cricket will handle the growth and power of the franchises as well.
Will it be more important for a franchise to win (make money) or to develop players for the future ?
 
Saj said:
I think it should be 3 overseas players, 2 emerging in the starting XI.
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Naa you cant have two emerging players.

Psl isnt there to develop teams, its to make money through marketing. Playing 2 emerging players mean that you need 12 good youngsters in the country which isnt possible. Every 2 years you will only get 2-3 youngsters
 
Saj said:
I think it should be 3 overseas players, 2 emerging in the starting XI.
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You’d replace an emerging player over one of Hales, Munro, RVD and Curran🤣

The problem is the scouting, there’s plenty of young foreign internationals sitting at home, we just get attracted to the big names.
 
dont need two emerging players, there are enough domestic players who are better who arent getting selected, if yasir shah, sohail tanivor, waqas maqsood, etc, with their psl records were overseas players they'd be guaranteed starters every time.

the problem is, that to me at least, it seems overseas players are selected simply to make up the numbers, if its really that important pay them more and get some decent players.
 
You’d replace an emerging player over one of Hales, Munro, RVD and Curran��
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Where did I say that? Perhaps you are dreaming!

There are a number of not so good overseas players getting games ahead of Pakistani players who I would prefer to be in the starting XI over them.
 
Major said:
Naa you cant have two emerging players.

Psl isnt there to develop teams, its to make money through marketing. Playing 2 emerging players mean that you need 12 good youngsters in the country which isnt possible. Every 2 years you will only get 2-3 youngsters
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As I wrote.

It's about priorities.

If not 2 emerging, then it should be another local player rather than an average overseas player.
 
Don't forget PSL got their niche because of overseas players, though the dearth of quality overseas stars is a concern, why not have a strategy of luring in a world class star for 4-5 games beyond any category like get Starc for 3 games fora hefty $$$$
 
Look at some of the overseas players getting a gig out there in Pakistan at the moment.

Eid has come early for them.
 
Saj said:
Look at some of the overseas players getting a gig out there in Pakistan at the moment.

Eid has come early for them.
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shai hope, t20 average 22, s.r. 120 getting selected in front of shahvaiz irfan, who seemed like a very good wicket keeper too. now i dont have a problem with the initial selection, but how many chances would irfan have gotten with this level of performance, and who has a higher ceiling as a t20 player.

also all these overseas players, if they do well in the PSL will go on to better leagues, there is no value in developing overseas players.

also if imran tahir and sikander butt were born in Pakistan, why are they not playing on their Pakistani passports (both are eligible) as local players?

barring a few headline names the overseas contingent is dire this year, and the quality of the games (what little ive seen) is not as good as previous seasons.
 
PSL is run for money. IF it helps bring young talent for PCT then good else it's fine as long as it is making money.

There is domestic cricket to give youngsters a chance
 
ElRaja said:
shai hope, t20 average 22, s.r. 120 getting selected in front of shahvaiz irfan, who seemed like a very good wicket keeper too. now i dont have a problem with the initial selection, but how many chances would irfan have gotten with this level of performance, and who has a higher ceiling as a t20 player.

also all these overseas players, if they do well in the PSL will go on to better leagues, there is no value in developing overseas players.

also if imran tahir and sikander butt were born in Pakistan, why are they not playing on their Pakistani passports (both are eligible) as local players?

barring a few headline names the overseas contingent is dire this year, and the quality of the games (what little ive seen) is not as good as previous seasons.
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Problem is, we’ve been hit hard with multiple international series happening this year. Also, the playing rules state a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 4 foreigners. Thus Shahwaiz definitely should have played. The line up selection is mostly on Shaheen and Aquib Javed.
 
Saj said:
Where did I say that? Perhaps you are dreaming!

There are a number of not so good overseas players getting games ahead of Pakistani players who I would prefer to be in the starting XI over them.
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You said there should be 3 overseas players and 2 emerging in an xi.

If that rule was in place today then we’d see one of Hales, Curran, Munro and RVD sitting on the bench for some youngster no one knows about. One is enough.

Just because some owners don’t know how to build a team it doesn’t mean others should be punished.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
PSL is run for money. IF it helps bring young talent for PCT then good else it's fine as long as it is making money.

There is domestic cricket to give youngsters a chance
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the irony is if u run the league for money, u develop less money in the long run. i knew non pakistanis who had seen some PSL games because the local and overseas players were a bit more hyped and everything looked like a good spectacle.

theres way too many other leagues for the PSL to rest on its laurels, unless they unequivocally aim to be the second most important league in the world, and set out a plan, they will lose a lot of the value the brand had built imo.

obv pak has massive economic issues which make things difficult, but its at times like these where taking decisions like limiting the quantity of overseas players for quality would have been a good trade.

matters arent helped that a lot of peripheral players who were excellent club level t20 players have not been replaced by similar quality younger players. someone like tanvir, or yasir shah wasn't exciting, but added a lot of value at this level of cricket.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
You said there should be 3 overseas players and 2 emerging in an xi.

If that rule was in place today then we’d see one of Hales, Curran, Munro and RVD sitting on the bench for some youngster no one knows about. One is enough.

Just because some owners don’t know how to build a team it doesn’t mean others should be punished.
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With 3 overseas players, they would pick their best 3 overseas players and the guys you have named would be in the starting XI. Why would they be on the bench!
 
It is unfathomable how Imran Tahir is an overseas player.

Free ticket to the XI every match for him while being a born and raised Pakistani from the pind.
 
mastermind_quad said:
Is it mandatory to play 4 overseas player??

I believe it should be upto 4
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It's not mandatory. Rizwan played only 3 overseas players in the opening match against Lahore. The move backfired though as the Sultans lost by 1 run.
 
Peshawar Zalmi had drafted Peter Hatzoglou of Australia as replacement for Mujeebur Rehman who will be available after 19 Feb who has nmow arrived - what was the point of having this player when he didn't even play one game? Why take on such players - just to fill a quota - they should all serve a purpose.
 
OP is right,

Too many bad quality overseas players!

They are ruining the quality of the league.
 
MenInG said:
Peshawar Zalmi had drafted Peter Hatzoglou of Australia as replacement for Mujeebur Rehman who will be available after 19 Feb who has nmow arrived - what was the point of having this player when he didn't even play one game? Why take on such players - just to fill a quota - they should all serve a purpose.
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Tbh this reflects the lack of professionalism in the Franchises. They should have better foresight when it comes to selections.
 
MenInG said:
Peshawar Zalmi had drafted Peter Hatzoglou of Australia as replacement for Mujeebur Rehman who will be available after 19 Feb who has nmow arrived - what was the point of having this player when he didn't even play one game? Why take on such players - just to fill a quota - they should all serve a purpose.
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how is anyone gonna justify having him the team (average 26, eco 7.8, in a league where theres not many good players of spin), versus Mohammed asghar who has psl stats ave of 23, eco of 7.6.

no offense to hatzoglu but whos gonna tune in to watch him?
 
It is fine to have local players if they are better than overseas ones but PSL should not be used only for developing emerging ones.

Peter Hatzoglou of Australia. Who is this guy, unless he is a hidden gem who has been scouted, there is no point playing such ones!
 
ElRaja said:
how is anyone gonna justify having him the team (average 26, eco 7.8, in a league where theres not many good players of spin), versus Mohammed asghar who has psl stats ave of 23, eco of 7.6.

no offense to hatzoglu but whos gonna tune in to watch him?
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Not sure about PZ but I do know that even in PSL, teams like ISLU and MS are heavily data driven and they may have good reason for selecting that guy(revs, accuracy etc.) Aussie pitches are not the most spin friendly .

Even if we accept the argument you are putting forth , Asghar is a terrible example. He was extraordinary in the first 2 editions of PSL but was poor in the 3rd and hasn't played since I think.

He hasn't even played Pakistans domestic t20 competition in over 2 years. On what basis will anyone select him?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Not sure about PZ but I do know that even in PSL, teams like ISLU and MS are heavily data driven and they may have good reason for selecting that guy(revs, accuracy etc.) Aussie pitches are not the most spin friendly .

Even if we accept the argument you are putting forth , Asghar is a terrible example. He was extraordinary in the first 2 editions of PSL but was poor in the 3rd and hasn't played since I think.

He hasn't even played Pakistans domestic t20 competition in over 2 years. On what basis will anyone select him?
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they may have excellent reasons, but 6 or 7 remaining games is not enough to make him a known name in pak, and he will add minimally to the commercial value of the league, and I'm guessing will get paid far more than a local bowler with similar stats.
 
hasaranga and mendis out too now, miller, roussow, roy, rashid, guptill, sterling, pollard, pbly not everyone, but off the top of my head theres maybe 10 genuine international quality overseas players, PCB have fumbled the ball badly with this.
 
ElRaja said:
hasaranga and mendis out too now, miller, roussow, roy, rashid, guptill, sterling, pollard, pbly not everyone, but off the top of my head theres maybe 10 genuine international quality overseas players, PCB have fumbled the ball badly with this.
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It’s exacerbated by the fact that there are multiple different international series happening now.

At the end of the day, the franchises need to pay more. That’s the only way you’ll get a better class of player in the PSL.
 
ElRaja said:
how is anyone gonna justify having him the team (average 26, eco 7.8, in a league where theres not many good players of spin), versus Mohammed asghar who has psl stats ave of 23, eco of 7.6.

no offense to hatzoglu but whos gonna tune in to watch him?
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If he comes good like a Tim David or Harry Brook who were probably relatively unknown ( at least to me) then kt helps build the overall brand value of the league.

I don't really mind this sort of selection i.e backed with stats and scouting and probably coming in at a reduced fee.

For me thats part of the magic.
 
Minimum 3 is already allowed, max number is 4.

So it is really up to the teams whatever they think their best 11 is. There is no restriction from PCB to play minimum 4 players, they can play 3 or 4 as per their needs.
 
Fact is we need one more PSL team so we can incorporate more players. Right now so many are missing out. It is an opportunity to lost.
 
PSL is fine and the current season is going well. Its not important for the overseas players to be of highest quality as long as they are better than some of the local ones and help increase the competition between teams.

I am a bit concerned about the quality of some of the local players this year though.
 
It's the draft system that dictates silver and golden category overseas players (who aren't really crowd pullers or that good).

Direct signings and maybe auction would be a better option for your 4 overseas players to be very good players.
 
A big draw of PSL or any franchise cricket is overseas players, but of course there needs to be good quality as well.
 
Quality over quantity.

Some of the overseas signings have been plain mediocre.
 
Saj said:
Quality over quantity.

Some of the overseas signings have been plain mediocre.
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Another overseas player has bottled a game.

This time, Ben Cutting for the KK. It is getting ridiculous at this point. When will management notice?
 
ElRaja said:
hasaranga and mendis out too now, miller, roussow, roy, rashid, guptill, sterling, pollard, pbly not everyone, but off the top of my head theres maybe 10 genuine international quality overseas players, PCB have fumbled the ball badly with this.
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they are good players, but only Rashid, Miller and Roy are certainties in their respective national sides. Others are pretty average or pretty old now and have retired. I think Pakistan and PSL is better served by having good local talent with few really good international players. Guptill and Pollard may still help due to name recognition. Others are just taking up valuable places that can be used by some talented local players
 
Saj said:
Quality over quantity.

Some of the overseas signings have been plain mediocre.
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yeah this is the way to go. most are pretty mediocre or unknown. if such players are going to get an opportunity to be in the playing 11, why not give that to local players?
 
Ben Cutting so far has 41 runs off 37 balls and an economy-rate of 10.25.

Most players could match or better that.
 
i think two issues are being conflated here, 1. the quality of the cricket in the league, 2. the brand value that overases players bring the league as a commercial product.

i concede unknown or little known money ball selections can have a positive impact on 1 like [MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION] said, but they do not on 2, and unless the league improves as a commercial prospect it will get over taken by all the other leagues that have a larger economic base.

if your not moving forward as a business, your moving backwards, and that's what this season of the PSL feels like to me.
 
Jason Roy in PSL 8 has been a disaster - of no use to Quetta.
 
ElRaja said:
shai hope, t20 average 22, s.r. 120 getting selected in front of shahvaiz irfan, who seemed like a very good wicket keeper too. now i dont have a problem with the initial selection, but how many chances would irfan have gotten with this level of performance, and who has a higher ceiling as a t20 player.

also all these overseas players, if they do well in the PSL will go on to better leagues, there is no value in developing overseas players.

also if imran tahir and sikander butt were born in Pakistan, why are they not playing on their Pakistani passports (both are eligible) as local players?

barring a few headline names the overseas contingent is dire this year, and the quality of the games (what little ive seen) is not as good as previous seasons.
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You only need to look at karachi and how they treated Qasim Akram
 
4 overseas player
2 emerging player batsman/bowler
5 local player
There should be a rule that your bowling lineup must becontain
a emerging player and same with batsman in the top 5 batting lineup
That way the emerging players will get exposure
 
rovman powell and neesham, 5 overs 79/1, this is not international quality bowling.
 
Tbh the PCB is not responsible for Franchise selections and the foreign players they pick from the draft.

The franchises themselves need to pick the right foreign players available
 
Misia said:
4 overseas player
2 emerging player batsman/bowler
5 local player
There should be a rule that your bowling lineup must becontain
a emerging player and same with batsman in the top 5 batting lineup
That way the emerging players will get exposure
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I'd go with:

6 local
2 emerging
3 overseas
 
Savak said:
Tbh the PCB is not responsible for Franchise selections and the foreign players they pick from the draft.

The franchises themselves need to pick the right foreign players available
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the PCB set the compensation for each category, they clearly arent paying enough to attract the top international players, so reduce the overseas contingent and increase the amount your willing to pay per player.
 
Ben Cutting. Should we say more?

Hung around, consumed 13 balls for 15 scratchy runs

Should never be drafted in again.
 
MenInG said:
Ben Cutting. Should we say more?

Hung around, consumed 13 balls for 15 scratchy runs

Should never be drafted in again.
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Lol you won't be Erin Holland then as a presenter
 
MenInG said:
Ben Cutting. Should we say more?

Hung around, consumed 13 balls for 15 scratchy runs

Should never be drafted in again.
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He's been horrendous throughout the tournament.

Looks like he's there for a holiday.
 
Karachi Kings overseas (apart from Shamsi) who have contributed little to their wins and mostly to their demise

FqjilY4WIAEVUn-
 
Not sure what these useless players offer the league, another overseas flop

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jimmy Neesham not impressed with the match so far &#55357;&#56832; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvPZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvPZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/WOAiK8eqb3">pic.twitter.com/WOAiK8eqb3</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1636742487245979648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Firebat said:
Not sure what these useless players offer the league, another overseas flop

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jimmy Neesham not impressed with the match so far �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL8?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PSL8</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LQvPZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LQvPZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/WOAiK8eqb3">pic.twitter.com/WOAiK8eqb3</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1636742487245979648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Another overseas player whose bank balance will be better, but offered very little to PSL8.

Overseas player selection is definitely an area that the PSL needs to work upon.
 
should have some quantifiable conditionality to playing overseas players, should be a top 10 t20 nation, and should have played at least some t20i in the last year.

also guys like sikander raza and imran tahir should be treated as locals.
 
The photo of Jimmy Neesham sums up some of the poor overseas selection.

In all honesty your better of going for a young cricketer from
England rather than over the hill Aussie & Kiwi players.

Defo something to consider for next year
 
shock horror, two teams to make it to the final had the following overseers players in their final xi

lahore, billings, wiese, raza, rashid - 1150 t20 games, 220 t20i games between them
multan, roussow, pollard, cottrell, David - 1200 t20 games, 200 t20i games between them

i have very little hope other franchises will learn however
 
I want to mention David Wiese here.

37 year-old and could be taking it easy as a comfortable pay day at the PSL.

However he gave absolutely everything with the bat, ball and his fielding was brilliant.

In addition, he helped and supported Shaheen Afridi as skipper.

Top, top signing and professional.
 
Saj said:
I want to mention David Wiese here.

37 year-old and could be taking it easy as a comfortable pay day at the PSL.

However he gave absolutely everything with the bat, ball and his fielding was brilliant.

In addition, he helped and supported Shaheen Afridi as skipper.

Top, top signing and professional.
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credit goes to lahore, even rashid khan and sam billings could take it easy, but u could tell they were invested in the teams performance.

some teams are better at creating inclusive atmospheres than others i guess.
 
ElRaja said:
credit goes to lahore, even rashid khan and sam billings could take it easy, but u could tell they were invested in the teams performance.

some teams are better at creating inclusive atmospheres than others i guess.
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Exactly. The team atmosphere element was most prevalent at Multan and Lahore. Guys like Tim David and Roussow are always eager to come back to play for Multan.

ISLU had a similar dressing room with the likes of Munro/Hales being similarly invested, albeit they just played badly.

Same, with PZ, where TKC was given a leadership role, having been with PZ for a few years.

Even Quetta, despite their horrible season, had some bye-in from their players. If you watch Roy’s press conference, you could see how much performing for Quetta meant to him.

The only place where this absolutely didn’t happen was Karachi. When a franchise is run as shoddily as Karachi is, you reap what you sow.
 
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