PTM's Mohsin Dawar wants Pakistan army ‘out of Waziristan’

[Abdullah719]

ISLAMABAD: In a recent interview, fugitive Pashtun Tahafuz Movement (PTM) activist Mohsin Dawar has demanded that Pakistan army should vacate Waziristan.

Dawar, who went into hiding following an attack on the military check in North Waziristan on Sunday, gave an interview to a local journalist, Gohar Wazir, on Wednesday from an undisclosed location.

“We, now, demand that Pak army must vacate Waziristan,” Dawar was quoted as saying.

Meanwhile, in another video message, another PTM leader Dr. Alam – a close aide of Dawar – has admitted that the latter was heavily armed at the time of military check post attack which claimed three lives while five soldiers were among 15 wounded.

On Sunday, PTM activists opened fire at Kharqamar check post in Boyya, North Waziristan, an ISPR press release said.

“A group led by Mohsin Javed [Dawar] and Ali Wazir assaulted Kharqamar check post, Boyya, North Waziristan tribal district this morning. They wanted to exert pressure for [the] release of suspected terrorists’ facilitator arrested the other day,” the statement read.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/05/29/mohsin-dawar-wants-pakistan-army-out-of-waziristan/

 

[Pakpak]

'I am Afghani, I will always be Afghani'. Baysharam pehlay Amreeki fauji toh bahir niqal loh. Should be deported to rubble land. And now they admitting they were armed when they attacked the post, shame they weren't the ones shot.

 

[Bewal Express]

Where were these guys when the TTP ran this place?

 

[m.shah]

'I am Afghani, I will always be Afghani'. Baysharam pehlay Amreeki fauji toh bahir niqal loh. Should be deported to rubble land. And now they admitting they were armed when they attacked the post, shame they weren't the ones shot.

If he is saying he is Afgani then why don't he go to Afghanistan? Secondly why is Pakistan Tolerating him?

 

[King-Misbah]

You are no one to say anything. Hiding like a rat and giving dictations lol. Army please get rid of these trouble makers.

 

[WebGuru]

So that your TTP buddies can rule the place again and you can continue your smuggling across the border?

 

[Mian]

Meanwhile, in another video message, another PTM leader Dr. Alam – a close aide of Dawar – has admitted that the latter was heavily armed at the time of military check post attack which claimed three lives while five soldiers were among 15 wounded.

[MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] show your faces and now tell us why these peaceful protesters had weapons? Don't come up with another story like Dr Alam of PTM was an agent of ISI

 

[Mian]

If he is saying he is Afgani then why don't he go to Afghanistan? Secondly why is Pakistan Tolerating him?

Pak Army is trying their best to avoid the conflict we lost thousands of soldiers and civilian while clearing this border area in last 15 years paying a very heavy price and now these idiots want the army to leave so that militants can come back from other side of the border? These Afghanis should first ask Americans to leave

 

[Mamoon]

He is absolutely right. After the KP-FATA merger, the military has no business in FATA.

However, it appears that CM KP still has no authority over that area, and we have not seen him utter a single word in light of these tragic events.

Perhaps much like our supreme leader Imran, he is still waiting for ISPR to give him a NOC to open his mouth on the events.

Speaking of Imran, he has openly criticised the actions of the military in the past and called them out on their human rights abuses as well as referring to them as a "bull in a china shop".

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Will the fearless Kaptaan have the courage to say this today?

 

[Mian]

Nothing unexpected Mamoon as usual trying to derail the topic when caught with his pants down. Now he is defending violence

His hate for Army is i guess more then his hate for Afghanis i remember his old posts full of hate for Afghanis here at PP

 

[WebGuru]

He is absolutely right. After the KP-FATA merger, the military has no business in FATA.

However, it appears that CM KP still has no authority over that area, and we have not seen him utter a single word in light of these tragic events.

Perhaps much like our supreme leader Imran, he is still waiting for ISPR to give him a NOC to open his mouth on the events.

Speaking of Imran, he has openly criticised the actions of the military in the past and called them out on their human rights abuses as well as referring to them as a "bull in a china shop".

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Will the fearless Kaptaan have the courage to say this today?

First he was called Taliban Khan using same reason against him now you are using same excuse in favor of PTM to defend them and divert attention?

If info minister and other ministers are talking about the event thn it means govt is talking if he wanted to remain silent he should have given shut up call to his ministers as well.

 

[Mian]

It's going to be 5 long years of online rants for kids of corrupt FBR officers

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing unexpected Mamoon as usual trying to derail the topic when caught with his pants down. Now he is defending violence

His hate for Army is i guess more then his hate for Afghanis i remember his old posts full of hate for Afghanis here at PP

The only one who has been caught with his pants down is Imran Khan, because the world cannot forget his previous views on the military before he became their puppet to come into power.

People of FATA have been mistreated and neglected for too long and the military have treated them like animals. After the merger of KP and FATA, the military should have no presence in that region. Unfortunately, it seems that apart from a few more seats in the assembly, nothing has changed after the merger and the KP government is still powerless.

I am not a PTM supporter and I don't agree with their decision to show loyalty to Afghanistan. However, they are part of Pakistan now and their voices need to be heard - threatening military action against them and publishing one sided propaganda in the media will not solve anything.

They are politicians not terrorists, and PTI itself made an alliance with them during the election. Their leaders deserve a chance to address the nation in the assembly (and it should be live, without edits) as well as get invites on political talk shows.

However, they are allowed to address the nation directly on mainstream media because the military doesn't want the country to hear what they want to say. PTM is not perfect and not all of their demands are valid, but they deserve to be heard on mainstream media. Why are we afraid to give them a platform?

 

[WebGuru]

People of FATA have been mistreated and neglected for too long and the military have treated them like animals. After the merger of KP and FATA, the military should have no presence in that region. Unfortunately, it seems that apart from a few more seats in the assembly, nothing has changed after the merger and the KP government is still powerless.

There is a reason Armies everywhere in the world stay a little longer in troubled areas after clearing them you can't just pack and leave with the hope that everything is fine now and that TTP isn't coming back any time soon...

 

[MRSN]

He is absolutely right. After the KP-FATA merger, the military has no business in FATA.

However, it appears that CM KP still has no authority over that area, and we have not seen him utter a single word in light of these tragic events.

Perhaps much like our supreme leader Imran, he is still waiting for ISPR to give him a NOC to open his mouth on the events.

Speaking of Imran, he has openly criticised the actions of the military in the past and called them out on their human rights abuses as well as referring to them as a "bull in a china shop".

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Will the fearless Kaptaan have the courage to say this today?

Very ungrateful people. An institution laid their thousands of lives to eradicate terrorists which were funded, supported by Afghans and now that army have kicked them out and trying to rehabilitate infrastructure and improve security , This guy calls for army to be kicked out? And you support him? Army will leave once police, fc are good enough to take over but until then it's logical that army stays there so the Afghan terrorists don't comeback.

This guy calls himself an Afghan, someone please show him video of a poor father and mother crying help to stop ttp scumbags forcing their daughters to marry them.

 

[MRSN]

The only one who has been caught with his pants down is Imran Khan, because the world cannot forget his previous views on the military before he became their puppet to come into power.

People of FATA have been mistreated and neglected for too long and the military have treated them like animals. After the merger of KP and FATA, the military should have no presence in that region. Unfortunately, it seems that apart from a few more seats in the assembly, nothing has changed after the merger and the KP government is still powerless.

I am not a PTM supporter and I don't agree with their decision to show loyalty to Afghanistan. However, they are part of Pakistan now and their voices need to be heard - threatening military action against them and publishing one sided propaganda in the media will not solve anything.

They are politicians not terrorists, and PTI itself made an alliance with them during the election. Their leaders deserve a chance to address the nation in the assembly (and it should be live, without edits) as well as get invites on political talk shows.

However, they are allowed to address the nation directly on mainstream media because the military doesn't want the country to hear what they want to say. PTM is not perfect and not all of their demands are valid, but they deserve to be heard on mainstream media. Why are we afraid to give them a platform?

Will you live with your family in FATA in current circumstances if army is backed off? Do you seriously think scumbags won't comeback?

 

[Mamoon]

First he was called Taliban Khan using same reason against him now you are using same excuse in favor of PTM to defend them and divert attention?

If info minister and other ministers are talking about the event thn it means govt is talking if he wanted to remain silent he should have given shut up call to his ministers as well.

Taliban Khan has tape on his mouths these days. He acted like an expert on FATA matters in the past but now has nothing to say because his masters have not given clearance thanks to his "slip of tongues" these days. There is no excuse of his silence.

 

[FreakCricket]

Can anyone explain what PTM wants ?

 

[Sirris]

The PTM leaders need to answer why the army was in Waziristan in the first place?

The deployment of the army was necessary because the tribesmen allowed and sheltered not only internationally wanted terrorists but also terrorists responsible for th killing of Pakistani citizens. The tribesmen sheltered and harbored the very terrorists who went on to commit acts of terrorism in Pakistan with the attack on APS Peshawar being the most heinous of them all.

I agree long-term army shouldn't be in Waziristan just like there in no army presence in Faisalabad. However the deploying of army in such a terrain is no jokes and has costed the nation many ressources and sacrifice. The withdrawal has to be properly managed and well-thought out. The tribesmen have to acknowledge their past mistakes infront of the whole nation, ask for forgiveness and come up with detailed plan and explanation on how in the future they will act differently and prevent any foreign elememts from across the border from sneaking in and finding shelter amongst them.

 

[MSaad1237]

Yeah goodluck with that..

 

[Bewal Express]

Nothing unexpected Mamoon as usual trying to derail the topic when caught with his pants down. Now he is defending violence

His hate for Army is i guess more then his hate for Afghanis i remember his old posts full of hate for Afghanis here at PP

Why do you even call this liar to go back on anything. He gets humiliated every day and this is just another day for him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Taliban Khan has tape on his mouths these days. He acted like an expert on FATA matters in the past but now has nothing to say because his masters have not given clearance thanks to his "slip of tongues" these days. There is no excuse of his silence.

Oh dear the liar gets humiliated again. Can you name any day when you don't get humiliated?

 

[Sirris]

Both the army and PTM are making demands at one another without first owning up to and acknowledging their mistakes. Both have blood of innocents on their hands.

PTM as a representative of tribal folk isn't willing to properly acknowledge and accept that their sheltering of militants and harboring them did play a key role in suffering of not just them but also the whole country. They are not ready to accept that before the army operations the militants from all over the world were roaming freely with great liberty in bazaars of Miranshah and Mir Ali despite their ill intentions towards the Pakistani state being kniwn. They must acknowledge that they were indirectly responsible for the countrywide killings of the innocents in terrorism related incidents.

The army too needs to acknowledge its mistakes and admit that innocent people were effected by the military operations and many who have gone missing and have been abducted were not hardcore terrorists and probably innocent. The army also needs to either acknowledge that the drone strikes happened with the army's approval and if not then apologize for letting the nation down by not shooting the drones down for violating the Pakistani airspace.

PTM wants the army to go away and leave thebalone while the army want PTM to be subservient and silently spend their days. Both need to come forward and stop hiding the dead bodies in their closet. Of course Army is in a far stronger position than PTM and has a far bigger control over the media and the country. Therefore it's important that voices of the people complaining aren't surpressed to avoid any escalation of the situation.

 

[shah_1]

He is absolutely right. After the KP-FATA merger, the military has no business in FATA.

You are telling me that Army should have no presence in a region that is bordering Afghanistan. You must be out of your mind to speak such nonsense. The region was intergated 10 months ago and it has no police infrastructure due to resistance of Khasdar. Even if the army has to go, it must go after 3 to 4 years once all the system is fully integrated

 

[shah_1]

Both the army and PTM are making demands at one another without first owning up to and acknowledging their mistakes. Both have blood of innocents on their hands.

PTM as a representative of tribal folk isn't willing to properly acknowledge and accept that their sheltering of militants and harboring them did play a key role in suffering of not just them but also the whole country. They are not ready to accept that before the army operations the militants from all over the world were roaming freely with great liberty in bazaars of Miranshah and Mir Ali despite their ill intentions towards the Pakistani state being kniwn. They must acknowledge that they were indirectly responsible for the countrywide killings of the innocents in terrorism related incidents.

The army too needs to acknowledge its mistakes and admit that innocent people were effected by the military operations and many who have gone missing and have been abducted were not hardcore terrorists and probably innocent. The army also needs to either acknowledge that the drone strikes happened with the army's approval and if not then apologize for letting the nation down by not shooting the drones down for violating the Pakistani airspace.

PTM wants the army to go away and leave thebalone while the army want PTM to be subservient and silently spend their days. Both need to come forward and stop hiding the dead bodies in their closet. Of course Army is in a far stronger position than PTM and has a far bigger control over the media and the country. Therefore it's important that voices of the people complaining aren't surpressed to avoid any escalation of the situation.

I agree

There must be something wrong because of so many followers of PTM and their anti army stance

 

[Sirris]

I agree

There must be something wrong because of so many followers of PTM and their anti army stance

One thing we shouldn't forget is that the tribesmen are simple minded who are easily persuaded by emotional slogans. The terrorists have lived with them for almost two decades and it's only natural that through their propaganda the terrorist have planted certain seeds in the minds of tribesmen. Hatred of the army perhaps being one.

Our job now is to prevent the seeds of hatred from growing into trees with fruits. Having hatred alone doesn't make you a terrorist or guilty of crime. So calling them traitor or advocating brute force against them isn't the solution and is only going to further help the terrorists. The solution in my eyes is to bandage their wounds, let them speak their mind without censorship and accept own mistakes while also pointing out their mistakes and developing together a new strategy to prevent the history from repeating itself.

 

[King-Misbah]

You are telling me that Army should have no presence in a region that is bordering Afghanistan. You must be out of your mind to speak such nonsense. The region was intergated 10 months ago and it has no police infrastructure due to resistance of Khasdar. Even if the army has to go, it must go after 3 to 4 years once all the system is fully integrated

Ignore him! He always says stupid things to gain attention. If Pakistan army left the tribal areas; his view would have been totally opposite.

 

[Hermoine Green]

'I am Afghani, I will always be Afghani'. Baysharam pehlay Amreeki fauji toh bahir niqal loh. Should be deported to rubble land. And now they admitting they were armed when they attacked the post, shame they weren't the ones shot.

Where were these guys when the TTP ran this place?

So that your TTP buddies can rule the place again and you can continue your smuggling across the border?

You are no one to say anything. Hiding like a rat and giving dictations lol. Army please get rid of these trouble makers.

[MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] show your faces and now tell us why these peaceful protesters had weapons? Don't come up with another story like Dr Alam of PTM was an agent of ISI

Surprise, none have mentioned the real reason that why Dawar wants checkposts to be removed.

He want re-entry of Qari Mohsin (TTP Terrorist, listed as wanted with Army) who is hiding in Afghanistan, and he is brother of Manzoor Pashteen

 

[Slog]

I don’t know if PTM’s ultimate intentions but it no doubt that tribal Pashtuns have not been well treated in Pakistan and our military is responsible for the mess

 

[Loralai]

Establishment has made mistakes and has been lying to Pakistani public for over fifty years so its not surprising that people are unwilling to accept the truth but instead prefer to accept military narrative (1965,1971,1999). Same is happening here. We are going to be told the same lines about foreign funding and undermining unity of Pakistan. Can't blame anyone in Waziristan if they want the Army out given recent history.

 

[Sirris]

Establishment has made mistakes and has been lying to Pakistani public for over fifty years so its not surprising that people are unwilling to accept the truth but instead prefer to accept military narrative (1965,1971,1999). Same is happening here. We are going to be told the same lines about foreign funding and undermining unity of Pakistan. Can't blame anyone in Waziristan if they want the Army out given recent history.

Why did the army have to go into Waziristan in the first place?

 

[Loralai]

Why did the army have to go into Waziristan in the first place?

They went in to try and get back control from their own assets (extremist groups) which they have been covertly sponsoring for decades to do their bidding in Afghanistan. Remember, it was the Establishment which supported extremist groups in these regions for their own objectives in Afghanistan. They weren't just given shelter by local tribesmen as certain people want you to think. Unfortunately they have taken heavy handed and violent approach in their treatment of locals, humiliating them at checkpoints and treating them like dirt. A key example is how they destroyed an entire bazar in Wana as an act of "retaliation" (https://www.dawn.com/news/1207138)

 

[Sirris]

They went in to try and get back control from their own assets (extremist groups) which they have been covertly sponsoring for decades to do their bidding in Afghanistan. Remember, it was the Establishment which supported extremist groups in these regions for their own objectives in Afghanistan. They weren't just given shelter by local tribesmen as certain people want you to think. Unfortunately they have taken heavy handed and violent approach in their treatment of locals, humiliating them at checkpoints and treating them like dirt. A key example is how they destroyed an entire bazar in Wana as an act of "retaliation" (https://www.dawn.com/news/1207138)

Islamic movement of Uzbekistan group led by Tahir Yuldashev was never in contact with the Pakistani army of ISI. If you have evidence please show me.

The army helped the Afghanistani Mujahideen resistance against the soviet union. We all know it. You however can simplify the problematic and say all the groups were an asset or directly controlled.

However the groups and militants that caused the trouble were shelterd by the tribesmen otherwise why weren't they handed over to the authorities when asked to do so in 2003?

 

[Waseem]

So those who played football with heads of Army soldiers were supported by our own establishment.

And those who carried out one of the worst attacks in history killing 120+ children in Army Public School were also backed by our own establishment.

You really need SICK mentality to believe such crap, blinded by stupidity and hatred.

Stop using these non nonsensical excuses that these are our own assets. They were NOT, did loss of 70,000 + people not teach you guys enough lesson who these animals are?

 

[Waseem]

Before Military strikes in Waziristan PTM leaders/Afghanistan apologists and Army haters:

- Pakistan Army would never attack Waziristan because they support terrorists hiding there
- Why is there no security and how do these terrorists travel all the way from Afghanistan to rest of Pak
- Drones are good, they kill terrorists only
- Why don't they monitor the border and fence it to stop terrorists attacking Afghanistan

After Military strikes in Waziristan
- Why are there so many checkposts and Security in Waziristan
- Military strikes have caused IDP issue and destroyed schools and businesses (very genuine concern and expected outcome).
- Who gave them right to put up fence on disputed border
- And now finally, why is Army there Yes the area that hosted thousands of terrorists at one stage and just cleared after years of fighting (Still a massive risk).

Pashtuns or even tribals are not causing all this trouble either, majority of the trouble makers are migrants from Afghanistan or our own Afghanistan apologists. I do feel sorry for genuine victims who suffered at the hands of terrorists first and then military strikes. Gladly, current government has already released close to Rs100 Billion to rebuild the areas.

 

[WebGuru]

Before Military strikes in Waziristan PTM leaders/Afghanistan apologists and Army haters:

- Pakistan Army would never attack Waziristan because they support terrorists hiding there
- Why is there no security and how do these terrorists travel all the way from Afghanistan to rest of Pak
- Drones are good, they kill terrorists only
- Why don't they monitor the border and fence it to stop terrorists attacking Afghanistan

After Military strikes in Waziristan
- Why are there so many checkposts and Security in Waziristan
- Military strikes have caused IDP issue and destroyed schools and businesses (very genuine concern and expected outcome).
- Who gave them right to put up fence on disputed border
- And now finally, why is Army there Yes the area that hosted thousands of terrorists at one stage and just cleared after years of fighting (Still a massive risk).

Pashtuns or even tribals are not causing all this trouble either, majority of the trouble makers are migrants from Afghanistan or our own Afghanistan apologists. I do feel sorry for genuine victims who suffered at the hands of terrorists first and then military strikes. Gladly, current government has already released close to Rs100 Billion to rebuild the areas.

Damn if you do damn if you don't...

 

[PakLFC]

Waziristan is a part of Pakistan so the army has every right to be there. This PTM and their supporters should be sent to Afghanistan solving all problems. They will return within 24 hours begging the military to forgive them, they'll become patriot Pakistanis in no time. Those Pak's who hate the military should also be sent packing to Afghanistan or any neighbouring country they love. We divide Pakistanis when we use the term "Pashtuns" which is exactly what the enemy wants although I can see why we need to use it. There is a clear difference between Pakistani Pashtuns and Afghans, there are many more Pashtuns in Karachi alone then Afghanistan for goodness sake. To the many Pak Pashtuns who rightfully feel wronged by Islamabad turning against your motherland is not the answer to your problems, it is many of their tribal customs that hold them back as well.

 

[Mamoon]

You are telling me that Army should have no presence in a region that is bordering Afghanistan. You must be out of your mind to speak such nonsense. The region was intergated 10 months ago and it has no police infrastructure due to resistance of Khasdar. Even if the army has to go, it must go after 3 to 4 years once all the system is fully integrated

You don't have to be a victim of the strongest propaganda in the subcontinent, the propaganda of Pakistan Army.

Our Army has successfully sold the idea to our gullible public that they are guardians of our country and if it is not for them, we will cease to exist.

This is the same Army that has been dominated by India in all major wars, they have cost Pakistan its eastern half because of their war crimes and atrocities against the Bengali people, and this is the same army that has failed to grab an inch of J&K since 1947, a conflict they have maintained for their self-interests.

The AJK that we have in our control today is because of the tribal people that that our army now treats like animals.

Because our institutions are weak, our army has been very successful in spreading propaganda and making themselves look better than they are.

As far as FATA is concerned, it will not be an issue for the people of FATA if our military was only present to guard the border. However, they are guilty of violating the rights of the FATA civilians and treating them like second class citizens. It is easy for us to sit in the big cities and accuse the people of FATA for not showing loyalty to Pakistan, but how can you expect loyalty from a group of people when you don't treat them like one of your own?

Since Independence, the people of FATA have not been considered Pakistanis, and if they don't have any loyalty and love for our state, it is own our fault. No institution has played a bigger role than alienating the people of FATA then the military, and they do not want to give PTM a platform because they do not want their propaganda to be exposed.

It is convenient to cry about foreign funding, Indian involvement, traitors, Afghanistan loyalists etc., but the concerns of the people of FATA are genuine and their mistreatment is not a myth. The military is so scared of getting exposed that no independent journalist is allowed to report in FATA, and the few select ones that have been granted access are the ones who read from the ISPR script.

If they have nothing to hide, why don't they allow media to access FATA freely and why don't they give PTM leaders a platform in the assembly to address the nation directly?

The merger of KP-FATA was long overdue and it is the first step towards integrating them in our society, but for that to happen, Imran "Pakistan Army is a bull in china shop and guilty of extrajudicial killings" Khan and his government will have to show some spine. At the moment, the KP government appears to have no authority on the region and the military are still ruling the roost.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

I am not from FATA, but if I was, I would happily live there provided that the government of Pakistan stop alienating the region and the military reduces themselves to protecting the border instead of treating the local people like animals. FATA has been neglected thanks to the military. After Zarb-e-Azab, the IDPs were not even allowed in Sindh and Punjab - that is how our state treats the people of this region. They have every right to be disloyal because it is our own undoing.

There is no doubt that Afghan/Indian sponsored terrorists have infiltrated the region, but it is not the fault of the locals who have had to suffer because of them. Besides, it is the result of our military fighting America's war against USSR, and their decision to train militants was eventually bound to backfire.

Secondly, it is not Army's place to decide if the police and other authorities are good enough or not. FATA is now part of the KP government and they should show spine and put the military in their place. However, if Imran attempts to pull that stunt, he will be fired from his post as the PM the very next day.

The bottomline is that the people of FATA have suffered for too long and our military cannot get away with mistreating them forever. We don't learn from history and we cannot afford a repeat of 1971.

Putting labels of RAW agents, anti-nationals, Afghanistan loyalists etc. will not change the ground realities. Our Army can successfully squash PTM and maintain their propaganda, but in a few years, some other group will emerge and fight for their rights. This process will continue and the only solution is for our government to step up and give them their due rights.

PTI has the opportunity to do it because of the merger, but do they have the guts to stand up to the military? Unfortunately not.

 

[Pete Rose]

No problem. We are a democracy. Let him table the motion in the national assembly and I am sure all the opposition parties will support it (NOT).

 

[Loralai]

No problem. We are a democracy. Let him table the motion in the national assembly and I am sure all the opposition parties will support it (NOT).

If we were a real democracy we wouldn't be worrying about Army presence in Waziristan.

The fact is that the Army has treated people of FATA worse than animals and Dawar's statements are entirely reasonable.

I agree, let him table the motion and let PTM make their voices heard to the public of Pakistan.

 

[Pete Rose]

I agree, let him table the motion and let PTM make their voices heard to the public of Pakistan.

I could be wrong, but I dont think the motion will be tabled. I dont see the PML or PPP getting behind this motion. They will likely Dawar know that behind the scenes. PML and PPP have also had a role to play on the Army's presence in Waziristan.
Neither party really cares about the PTM, its just a tool to use for their own agendas (NAB etc).
Dawar will be advised to give speeches and do rallies. His motion wont pass in NA.

 

[sjahmed23]

These tribal lands are more trouble than they are worth, they have costed Pakistan a lot and military has absolute right to stay there for as long as it wants.

 

[Mamoon]

The AJK that we thump our chests over today, is part of Pakistan thanks to the efforts of these “traitors and anti national” tribals.

We are a deluded, gullible nation that is easily brainwashed by propaganda and tends to forget its real history.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]

I am not from FATA, but if I was, I would happily live there provided that the government of Pakistan stop alienating the region and the military reduces themselves to protecting the border instead of treating the local people like animals. FATA has been neglected thanks to the military. After Zarb-e-Azab, the IDPs were not even allowed in Sindh and Punjab - that is how our state treats the people of this region. They have every right to be disloyal because it is our own undoing.

There is no doubt that Afghan/Indian sponsored terrorists have infiltrated the region, but it is not the fault of the locals who have had to suffer because of them. Besides, it is the result of our military fighting America's war against USSR, and their decision to train militants was eventually bound to backfire.

Secondly, it is not Army's place to decide if the police and other authorities are good enough or not. FATA is now part of the KP government and they should show spine and put the military in their place. However, if Imran attempts to pull that stunt, he will be fired from his post as the PM the very next day.

The bottomline is that the people of FATA have suffered for too long and our military cannot get away with mistreating them forever. We don't learn from history and we cannot afford a repeat of 1971.

Putting labels of RAW agents, anti-nationals, Afghanistan loyalists etc. will not change the ground realities. Our Army can successfully squash PTM and maintain their propaganda, but in a few years, some other group will emerge and fight for their rights. This process will continue and the only solution is for our government to step up and give them their due rights.

PTI has the opportunity to do it because of the merger, but do they have the guts to stand up to the military? Unfortunately not.

You are feeling heat bcz now fire has reached to your province. Three provinces have been victimized from this hate already, one being separated & the remaining two have no feelings regarding this. No offence but people from your province either they were part of any security institution or they were civilians, they didnt let any chance to torture other races & this is why other two provinces have no sympathy for this.

Being the sons of soil you (fata/KPK) peoples wont get much beating which the peoples of other two provinces are still receiving. For the evidence of my statement see the consequences of 22-8-16 speech of Altaf. Top leadership of urdu speaking party was humiliated and arrested blindfold by rangers despite the fact that they have no contribution in Altaf's speech but in the case of your PTM nothing had happened till the attack on army check post. Lot of hate speeches against country and army being tolerated by saying them innocent, masoom piyary log.

For your comment, I agree & I must say that establishment is digging another hell hole for themselves. There is no solution except dialogue. What I am seeing is establishment is messing up a resolvable issue & in the end they will hand over this problem to the mainstream political parties & will run away and as history political peoples will clean their faeces, if anything left.

 

[Rafa]

Some peoples genuine grievances are being hijacked by those with vested interest.

 

[warcry]

the current situation in waziristan is due to the US fake war on terror that created a stream of refugees into the area. The refugees,were then used to launch attacks on pakistan, while receiving funds from the Kabul Regime, illegally planted by the US, which illegally occupies the region. The US has bombed waziristan periodically ,using drone strikes. killing indiscriminately and committing warcrimes.

Why has PTM NEVER raised this issue? or would it mean a loss of funding?

 

[Zhasan]

The AJK that we thump our chests over today, is part of Pakistan thanks to the efforts of these “traitors and anti national” tribals.

We are a deluded, gullible nation that is easily brainwashed by propaganda and tends to forget its real history.

Not on the account of the nationalist/surkhay/communist/ANP/Pukhtoonistan movement variety that's starting to act up again through foreign meddling...

It's was due to the variety of tribals that the Pakistani state/establishment in collaboration with their paymasters in US DoD were droning the crap out of just a few years ago...

 

[Loralai]

Mohammed Hanif: "The country is being run by the army"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One MNA has been arrested and declared a traitor without trial. Another MNA is in hiding. People reminding us about the sanctity of a check post are right. The country is being run by the army. Who hasn't received that memo yet?</p>— mohammedhanif (@mohammedhanif) <a href="https://twitter.com/mohammedhanif/status/1133766349220663297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Strong words from one of Pakistan's leading novelists and thinkers. This should all give us some food for thought and reflect.

 

[Pakistanian]

 

[ahmedzee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One MNA has been arrested and declared a traitor without trial. Another MNA is in hiding. People reminding us about the sanctity of a check post are right. The country is being run by the army. Who hasn't received that memo yet?</p>— mohammedhanif (@mohammedhanif) <a href="https://twitter.com/mohammedhanif/status/1133766349220663297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Strong words from one of Pakistan's leading novelists and thinkers. This should all give us some food for thought and reflect.

They were caught red handed attacking army check post giving shahadat to our jawan on their boss’ Raw orders. It is Pakistani’s establishments decency to even arrest them and give them humane treatment. Imagine if someone attacked nato or American army in Afghanistan, how would the treatment be towards them, MnA or not. Such traitors and their supporters should be tried for treason. If you are one of them, then I hope you are tried too.

 

[slipcatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One MNA has been arrested and declared a traitor without trial. Another MNA is in hiding. People reminding us about the sanctity of a check post are right. The country is being run by the army. Who hasn't received that memo yet?</p>— mohammedhanif (@mohammedhanif) <a href="https://twitter.com/mohammedhanif/status/1133766349220663297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Strong words from one of Pakistan's leading novelists and thinkers. This should all give us some food for thought and reflect.

Didn’t both attacked army check post in broad day light? Or you had your power off when that part was shown on your TV?

Lol, talk about spreading agenda as if rest of the world is blind.

 

[Asim_khan]

Leading novelists and thinkers? His case of exploding mangoes is the worst book I've ever read, he's a male Moni Mohsin, in fact he makes her seem like Kamila Shamsie in comparison.

He made a career from being a Pakistani male who could cross his T's and dot his I's when publishers were looking for the next Mohsin Hamid.

 

[Waseem]

If we still want to take Hanifs of this country then Altaf Hussain was a genuine leader struggling against evil forces without any greed.

Anyone with tiny bit of sense knows what Altaf stands for and why removing his gang was one of biggest positives for Karachi in decades.

This so called leading thinker was Altaf's supporter, have interacted with him on twitter, hasn't been active in 3-4 years though.

We heard same bakwaas back then as well that fauj is running the country so anyone who criticises fauj automatically becomes their hero even if it's someone as immature and hypocrite as Mohsin Dawar who was biggest cheerleader for bombs and drones in FATA but now sheds crocodile tears.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact that in this day and age, there are educated people in Pakistan who do not believe that the country is run by the army shows how strong their propaganda has been. The brainwashing has ensured that the majority of our people have lost the ability to think for themselves, and cannot get see the reality even when it smacks them in the face.

 

[Savak]

To be honest I will prefer Pakistan to be run by the army in comparison to the PPP and PML-N. These political parties added $60 billion to our external debts with nothing to show for it. The Pakistani Army rescued the country from PML-N in 1999 as well

 

[szrana007]

Hahaha, sums it up. Pakistani leftists are no less than Alex Jones, when it comes to conspiracy theories..

 

[shah_1]

If we still want to take Hanifs of this country then Altaf Hussain was a genuine leader struggling against evil forces without any greed.

Anyone with tiny bit of sense knows what Altaf stands for and why removing his gang was one of biggest positives for Karachi in decades.

This so called leading thinker was Altaf's supporter, have interacted with him on twitter, hasn't been active in 3-4 years though.

We heard same bakwaas back then as well that fauj is running the country so anyone who criticises fauj automatically becomes their hero even if it's someone as immature and hypocrite as Mohsin Dawar who was biggest cheerleader for bombs and drones in FATA but now sheds crocodile tears.

Altaf was introduced by Army

 

[shah_1]

To be honest I will prefer Pakistan to be run by the army in comparison to the PPP and PML-N. These political parties added $60 billion to our external debts with nothing to show for it. The Pakistani Army rescued the country from PML-N in 1999 as well

Nawaz the evil you talk about was brought to limelight by Army

Why did Faizabad sit-in happened? Who created Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan. Balochistan insurgency was not a huge thing before Nawab Bugti was murdered, a whole generation has been ruined after that.

The list is so long but you have all been brainwashed

 

[Heisenberg111]

To be honest I will prefer Pakistan to be run by the army in comparison to the PPP and PML-N. These political parties added $60 billion to our external debts with nothing to show for it. The Pakistani Army rescued the country from PML-N in 1999 as well

Yes, I remember during Musharraf era, Pakistan was developing and growing at 7 % annually, but he was ousted coz of the lawyer's movement and then came PPP in 2008 and the rest is history,lol.

Pakistan's GDP growth rates and development have always been much higher during dictatorships rather than so called democracies.

 

[Waseem]

Altaf was introduced by Army

Altaf was created by Army and so was Nawaz, Army have been heavily criticised for that and Zia has become symbol of hatred and rightly so for ruining the country with his extremist approach. Altaf was created by one Army general for his own political goals, he caused so much damage and we blame that general even to date. Problem is that these Army haters actually adopted Altaf and supported him as liberal and moderate leader while he was terrorising Karachiites on daily basis. So all the Army haters are equally to blame for supporting such nutcases. Now Zia's son has become hero for these so called resistant group and even Fazlu Rehman is champion for them.

We are a young nation learning from mistakes, only an idiot would deny that there has been massive action against terrorists and extremist groups that we tolerated in the past aren't tolerated any more. Still not ideal situation but will get better with time.

 

[Loralai]

Nawaz the evil you talk about was brought to limelight by Army

Why did Faizabad sit-in happened? Who created Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan. Balochistan insurgency was not a huge thing before Nawab Bugti was murdered, a whole generation has been ruined after that.

The list is so long but you have all been brainwashed

These are the facts and awkward questions which we cannot answer. Our Army has made us into a laughing stock but we still praise them

 

[Loralai]

Yes, I remember during Musharraf era, Pakistan was developing and growing at 7 % annually, but he was ousted coz of the lawyer's movement and then came PPP in 2008 and the rest is history,lol.

Pakistan's GDP growth rates and development have always been much higher during dictatorships rather than so called democracies.

Yes but its artificial growth fuelled by US aid.

 

[Pakistanian]

Yes but its artificial growth fuelled by US aid.

LOL there's no such thing as "artificial growth", you probably haven't studied anything besides arts . USAID has been a stimulus of growth for many countries like Israel, Japan, South Korea. The Marshall plan helped rebuild Europe after world war 2 and that was all American aid.

 

[Abdullah719]

Captain, sepoy martyred in exchange of fire with terrorists in Waziristan: ISPR

A captain and a sepoy of the Pakistan Army were martyred on Sunday while two others were injured in an exchange of fire with terrorists in Waziristan.

According to a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), security forces were patrolling the area five kilometers south-east of Ghariom near the boundary between North and South Waziristan when terrorists opened fire on them.

Captain Mohammad Sabih Abrar and Sepoy Naveed Akhtar were killed in the exchange of fire while two other soldiers were injured. One terrorist was also killed, the statement added.

The army troops later cleared a nearby militant compound in North Waziristan, said the ISPR.

The latest attack came as authorities prepared to reopen a key border crossing with neighbouring Afghanistan to allow trade. Trucks carrying fruits, vegetables and other items will start crossing the Ghulam Khan border in North Waziristan district on Monday.

Last month, two soldiers were martyred in a rocket attack on a security checkpoint in North Waziristan tribal district.

The rocket, fired from an unknown direction, slammed into the checkpoint in Edek village, near Mirali town, around midnight.

In April, 10 security personnel were martyred in attacks by militants in North Waziristan district while six suffered injuries.

https://dawn.com/news/3000850/capta...xchange-of-fire-with-terrorists-in-waziristan

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohsin Dawar was saddened by the death of Afghanistan's General Raziq who sheltered and organized BLA in Kandahar, but won't even condemn BLA's terrorist attack in Pakistan killing civilians, LEAs. <a href="https://t.co/IV3qNR2CjC">https://t.co/IV3qNR2CjC</a></p>— Ashar Jawad (@AsharJawad) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsharJawad/status/1277619874861285380?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Lonewarrior]

Bajaur District People Stop PTM from Doing its Usual Propaganda in their Area.

ye to Lol ho gaya ......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">“ہم اس مٹی کے وارث ہیں اور ہم یہاں کسی کو جلسہ نہیں کرنے دیں گے” <br><br>باجوڑ کے غیور عوام نے PTM کو انکی اوقات دیکھا دی <a href="https://twitter.com/IhteshamAfghan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IhteshamAfghan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mjdawar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/kochaiLewanaai?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@kochaiLewanaai</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BajaurRejectsPTM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BajaurRejectsPTM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIOBajaur?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PTIOBajaur</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BajaurPTM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BajaurPTM</a> <a href="https://t.co/oJs43BuZPL">pic.twitter.com/oJs43BuZPL</a></p>— Dr Maham (@Maham_Ahmd) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maham_Ahmd/status/1357677807753699333?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FearlessRoar]

Unidentified armed men on Wednesday targeted the convoy of Mohsin Dawar, the leader of the National Democratic Movement (NDM) and former member of the National Assembly, in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa’s North Waziristan, Express News reported.

According to sources, the firing on Dawar's convoy occurred in the Tappi area of North Waziristan district while he was engaged in his election campaign.

Police said that multiple shots were fired at Dawar's vehicle, but due to its bulletproof nature, he remained unharmed. In response, security personnel accompanying former lawmaker engaged in retaliatory firing, forcing the attackers to flee the scene.

District Police Office (DPO) Rohan Zaib said that Dawar was provided with full-proof security and he remained unhurt during the attack. He added that a search operation against the unidentified assailants is underway.

General Secretary of the NDM, Muzammil Shah Roshan, condemned the attack on Dawar in strong words. Roshan confirmed that the former MNA and other colleagues remained safe during the incident.

"We demand an immediate notice of the attack from the Election Commission of Pakistan and the federal government, and we urge them to conduct a thorough investigation,” he added.

“Such cowardly attacks cannot dampen our spirits or the spirits of our comrades.”

Source: Express Tribune

Dawar escapes unharmed as gunmen attack his vehicle | The Express Tribune

DPO says search operation against the unidentified assailants is underway

tribune.com.pk