Public eating banned in Pakistan

[ExpressPacer]

How can Pakistani Muslims complain about the beef ban in India or the Headscarf ban in France when we agree with the ban on public eating or drinking in Pakistan?

Are Muslims the only sole inhabitants of Pakistan? What about the white part in Pakistan's flags? Should Sikhs, Christians, Hindus, Parsis be starved? What is their fault? In the scorching heat, the public ban on drinking water is atrocious and unless we want thousands of Hindu brothers dying of heat strokes and dehydration, there is no point in having this stupid ban. I'm absolutely disappointed in this pathetic Govt.

And even if we are to ignore the rights of minorities the way India does, what about the sick, the old and children? What is their fault? There have been numerous cases of old men, mostly MUSLIM being beaten to death for eating in public over the years. However, it wasn't a law before. Making this a new law encourages people to look for someone eating in public and beat him/her like no tomorrow.

Also, before any "Muslims" begin to criticize me and remind me that it weakens their faith and makes it hard for them to fast looking at someone else drinking or eating then let me remind you; Fasting is all about patience. About how strong your faith is. If you can't watch someone drink water in front of you then you certainly do not need to fast.

But that isn't my problem, have as many bans as you want but then don't complain about beef bans in India or Headscarf bans in France.

 

[JaDed]

Isn't the law there since 1981 , Zia's time,the only thing that probably got changed was fine amount and guess theaters included as well.(not sure).

 

[Zak_Fan]

I hope Pakistan doesn't go India's way and preserves it's secular values.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Isn't the law there since 1981 , Zia's time,the only thing that probably got changed was fine amount and guess theaters included as well.(not sure).

Don't think so. This law needs to be overturned. There was no such law last year.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I hope Pakistan doesn't go India's way and preserves it's secular values.

Well. I'm happy that at least some Pakistani's like me (and a few others) aren't justifying it and are ready to support our Hindu, Sikh, Christian brothers.

 

[JaDed]

Don't think so. This law needs to be overturned. There was no such law last year.

http://m.dw.com/en/pakistans-ramadan-laws-force-everyone-to-go-hungry/a-18579918

 

[Zak_Fan]

Well. I'm happy that at least some Pakistani's like me (and a few others) aren't justifying it and are ready to support our Hindu, Sikh, Christian brothers.

I expect nothing less from educated and progressive posters like you. Really nice of you to speak up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How can Pakistani Muslims complain about the beef ban in India or the Headscarf ban in France when we agree with the ban on public eating or drinking in Pakistan?

Are Muslims the only sole inhabitants of Pakistan? What about the white part in Pakistan's flags? Should Sikhs, Christians, Hindus, Parsis be starved? What is their fault? In the scorching heat, the public ban on drinking water is atrocious and unless we want thousands of Hindu brothers dying of heat strokes and dehydration, there is no point in having this stupid ban. I'm absolutely disappointed in this pathetic Govt.

And even if we are to ignore the rights of minorities the way India does, what about the sick, the old and children? What is their fault? There have been numerous cases of old men, mostly MUSLIM being beaten to death for eating in public over the years. However, it wasn't a law before. Making this a new law encourages people to look for someone eating in public and beat him/her like no tomorrow.

Also, before any "Muslims" begin to criticize me and remind me that it weakens their faith and makes it hard for them to fast looking at someone else drinking or eating then let me remind you; Fasting is all about patience. About how strong your faith is. If you can't watch someone drink water in front of you then you certainly do not need to fast.

But that isn't my problem, have as many bans as you want but then don't complain about beef bans in India or Headscarf bans in France.

This problem and others like it stem from the fact that Pakistan doesn't proclaim to be a secular country. It would be better off if it did in my opinion, but the comparison with Fance and headscarves or India and the beef ban is false because both those countries DO claim a secular constitution.

 

[big_gamer007]

Is the ban only for Ramadan period? Or throughout the year?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Is the ban only for Ramadan period? Or throughout the year?

How can it be throughout the year?

 

[Slog]

Is the ban only for Ramadan period? Or throughout the year?

lol why would it be throughout the year

stupid law. prolly wont be even implemented

 

[Moiza]

And still some Pakistani live under the delusion that there are only a few people in Pakistan who are extreme and the rest are fine, this country as a whole is extreme.

My dad is diabetic and he eats normally throughout the Ramadan and it has never had an affect on me or made me want to break my fast. IMO, if you want to break your fast just by looking at someone eat then kindly don't bother fasting.

 

[Runner Up]

I thought public eating was already banned in Pakistan. Anyway You go to Dubai you won't dare to eat out even if you are a non Muslim because of this law. Anyway this is Pakistan who cares about this law?

 

[ExpressPacer]

I expect nothing less from educated and progressive posters like you. Really nice of you to speak up.

Thanks. Means a lot.

 

[ExpressPacer]

This problem and others like it stem from the fact that Pakistan doesn't proclaim to be a secular country. It would be better off if it did in my opinion, but the comparison with Fance and headscarves or India and the beef ban is false because both those countries DO claim a secular constitution.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion. While Pakistan does not claim to be a secular country, a real Islamic state respects and recognizes the rights of other human beings who wish to follow their own religions and is not something barbaric. Especially the fact that it recognizes their right to openly and freely practice their own religion, let alone eat in public!

Pakistan is the worst example of an Islamic State. I agree, Pakistan should change its stance from being an Islamic republic because quite frankly, we are a stain on the Islamic idea of how to govern. This is nothing but a fiendish dictatorship.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

And still some Pakistani live under the delusion that there are only a few people in Pakistan who are extreme and the rest are fine, this country as a whole is extreme.

My dad is diabetic and he eats normally throughout the Ramadan and it has never had an affect on me or made me want to break my fast. IMO, if you want to break your fast just by looking at someone eat then kindly don't bother fasting.

This.

Fasting is about Sabr(patience).If you dont have enough patience to continue your fast while looking at someone else who is eating,what's the point?

 

[ExpressPacer]

I thought public eating was already banned in Pakistan. Anyway You go to Dubai you won't dare to eat out even if you are a non Muslim because of this law. Anyway this is Pakistan who cares about this law?

The old, ill men who repeatedly got beaten up in Ramzan for eating in public when this law didn't even exist care about it.

 

[Runner Up]

The old, ill men who repeatedly got beaten up in Ramzan for eating in public when this law didn't even exist care about it.

I respect your views. However, as I am sure you do not live in Pakistan you wouldn't know the reality about so called laws in Pakistan. Cheers

 

[ExpressPacer]

I respect your views. However, as I am sure you do not live in Pakistan you wouldn't know the reality about so called laws in Pakistan. Cheers

Sorry but I do live in Pakistan so my opinion is as real as it gets.

 

[ExpressPacer]

[MENTION=75920]Runner Up[/MENTION]

Just to make it clear, I know what you mean. Laws aren't always implemented despite being there however, this law not only makes Pakistan sound like a barbaric state (which is the real problem) but also encourages people to massacre anyone eating in public.

 

[DW44]

Don't think so. This law needs to be overturned. There was no such law last year.

Yes there was. Ehteram e Ramzan ordinance has been on the books for years. Every ramzan people get arrested or beat up by the police for eating in public during fasting hours.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Yes there was. Ehteram e Ramzan ordinance has been on the books for years. Every ramzan people get arrested or beat up by the police for eating in public during fasting hours.

I see. Thanks.

I don't think it was ever made such a big deal before.

 

[DW44]

I see. Thanks.

I don't think it was ever made such a big deal before.

It rears its ugly head every Ramzan and remains a big deal for the whole month before fading into obscurity till the next Ramzan. When I say big deal, i mean that it has a visible impact. A few years ago Islamabad police beat up two journalists who were eating in their car in a secluded place(near Daman e Koh) and it made the news but public response was mostly against the journos. It doesn't get much attention because the public, for the most part, supports such laws.

 

[ExpressPacer]

It rears its ugly head every Ramzan and remains a big deal for the whole month before fading into obscurity till the next Ramzan. When I say big deal, i mean that it has a visible impact. A few years ago Islamabad police beat up two journalists who were eating in their car in a secluded place(near Daman e Koh). It doesn't get much attention because the public, for the most part, supports such laws.

Exactly. This exactly is my problem. If you support such laws then complaining about beef bans in India or any racist act towards Muslims only makes you a hypocrite.

 

[DW44]

Exactly. This exactly is my problem. If you support such laws then complaining about beef bans in India or any racist act towards Muslims only makes you a hypocrite.

That's the default setting for a majority in Pakistan. Support fascism at home, oppose it abroad unless its in a Muslim state in which case it's all good.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

first let me say this public eating law is insane, unfounded, and used by authorities to pick on people.

More broadly though on the point of people raising concerns about headscarf bans or beef lynchings, here is the difference. Pakistan does not claim to be secular, we do not parade such values on the international scene, we are an Islamic Republic in name. Now that doesnt mean wrongs like the persecution of minorites and abuse of the blashpehmy law should be ingored.

However its very different if a nation that prides itself of its secularity has segments that tolerate killing over beef or have laws that stop muslims on the beach while nuns are free.

If these countries want such measures then say we are hindu republic, say that France is no longer secular and is a christan republc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I thought public eating was already banned in Pakistan. Anyway You go to Dubai you won't dare to eat out even if you are a non Muslim because of this law. Anyway this is Pakistan who cares about this law?

Are you sure about Dubai in Ramadan? That's surprising since their whole economy is based on tourism, and eating out is a big part of that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion. While Pakistan does not claim to be a secular country, a real Islamic state respects and recognizes the rights of other human beings who wish to follow their own religions and is not something barbaric. Especially the fact that it recognizes their right to openly and freely practice their own religion, let alone eat in public!

Pakistan is the worst example of an Islamic State. I agree, Pakistan should change its stance from being an Islamic republic because quite frankly, we are a stain on the Islamic idea of how to govern. This is nothing but a fiendish dictatorship.

Every Tom Dick and Ahmed has their own idea what a real Islamic state is. As it happens, I agree with your version, but where I disagree is the comparison with headscarf or beef bans in France and India for the reasons already mentioned. Whether you agree with Pakistan's version of Islam or not, there has never been any claim that the constitution is secular, whereas with the two countries you mentioned previously that definitely IS the claim being made. I don't know why you are dragging those countries into this debate since there is no comparison.

 

[ExpressPacer]

first let me say this public eating law is insane, unfounded, and used by authorities to pick on people.

More broadly though on the point of people raising concerns about headscarf bans or beef lynchings, here is the difference. Pakistan does not claim to be secular, we do not parade such values on the international scene, we are an Islamic Republic in name. Now that doesnt mean wrongs like the persecution of minorites and abuse of the blashpehmy law should be ingored.

However its very different if a nation that prides itself of its secularity has segments that tolerate killing over beef or have laws that stop muslims on the beach while nuns are free.

If these countries want such measures then say we are hindu republic, say that France is no longer secular and is a christan republc.

Please refer to Post 15 and tell me what you think.

 

[Syed1]

Do away with this law ASAP.


There are many Muslims who don't fast because of age, illness or other reasons such as pregnancy, what are they supposed to do?

 

[Syed1]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion. While Pakistan does not claim to be a secular country, a real Islamic state respects and recognizes the rights of other human beings who wish to follow their own religions and is not something barbaric. Especially the fact that it recognizes their right to openly and freely practice their own religion, let alone eat in public!

Pakistan is the worst example of an Islamic State. I agree, Pakistan should change its stance from being an Islamic republic because quite frankly, we are a stain on the Islamic idea of how to govern. This is nothing but a fiendish dictatorship.

Have you heard about a place called Saudi Arabia? They don't allow women to vote or drive or even be seen in public without a burqa and a male guardian. Pakistan is like Jannat compared to Saudi Arabia.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Posing as Muslim is a Jailable offence aswell with 3 years Penal Servitude.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I am glad to see liberal, secular, shia muslims of Pakistan stand up against oppression and human rights finally.

Most persecuted religious community of last 10 years in Pakistan.


Shameful. Sure JI & JUI are behind it with some segments of PTI aswell. Very Sad.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Have you heard about a place called Saudi Arabia? They don't allow women to vote or drive or even be seen in public without a burqa and a male guardian. Pakistan is like Jannat compared to Saudi Arabia.

I don't even consider Wahabbi's Muslims but that's another debate so lets end it here.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I am glad to see liberal, secular, shia muslims of Pakistan stand up against oppression and human rights finally.

Most persecuted religious community of last 10 years in Pakistan.


Shameful. Sure JI & JUI are behind it with some segments of PTI aswell. Very Sad.

It doesn't have anything to do with being Shia, Sunni, Barelvi or whatever sect you belong to. We are all Muslims and should collectively be against such laws.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am glad to see liberal, secular, shia muslims of Pakistan stand up against oppression and human rights finally.

Most persecuted religious community of last 10 years in Pakistan.


Shameful. Sure JI & JUI are behind it with some segments of PTI aswell. Very Sad.

Very disappointing to see this sectarian bias from respected members of PP. No one has said anything about Shia or Sunni Muslims in this thread prior to your strange interjection. There is nothing secular about sectarian partisanship wherever your allegiance may lie.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It doesn't have anything to do with being Shia, Sunni, Barelvi or whatever sect you belong to. We are all Muslims and should collectively be against such laws.

According to He Pbuh's saying we cannot call a Kalima reciter and one who identifies as Muslim as a Non Muslim so by that even if one is evil whether Wahhabi or anyone cannot be termed as a Non Muslim. One can disagree with beliefs and ideologies.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Very disappointing to see this sectarian bias from respected members of PP. No one has said anything about Shia or Sunni Muslims in this thread prior to your strange interjection. There is nothing secular about sectarian partisanship wherever your allegiance may lie.

Everyone can see on this forum aswell as social media forums that from where these voices are raised.

In this thread aswell there are people who are directly ot indirectly defending this anti human law.

 

[ExpressPacer]

According to He Pbuh's saying we cannot call a Kalima reciter and one who identifies as Muslim as a Non Muslim so by that even if one is evil whether Wahhabi or anyone cannot be termed as a Non Muslim. One can disagree with beliefs and ideologies.

I don't want this thread to turn into a Sunni vs Shia debate or whatever you intend to make it into so I'm simply going to ask you to stick to the crux of this thread, which in itself is an important topic.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Do they still have an implicit ban on music etc in Muharram as well?

I always managed stuff to eat in Ramadan in Pakistan during the 80s when I was living there.... has this changed dramatically now?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Everyone can see on this forum aswell as social media forums that from where these voices are raised.

In this thread aswell there are people who are directly ot indirectly defending this anti human law.

Those voices are yours as far this forum is concerned .... now go sit in a corner and ponder over your behaviour

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Do they still have an implicit ban on music etc in Muharram as well?

I always managed stuff to eat in Ramadan in Pakistan during the 80s when I was living there.... has this changed dramatically now?

Are you a non muslim or did you just not keep fasts?No offense intended,just asking.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Are you a non muslim or did you just not keep fasts?No offense intended,just asking.

No offence taken. Muslim who hardly keeps fasts.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Those voices are yours as far this forum is concerned .... now go sit in a corner and ponder over your behaviour

Uncle, don't quote me in future. If you know what I am saying.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

More classy comments from PP's intelligentsia.

 

[shaz619]

The worst Islamic State is Saudi Arabia, the inferior complex of some folk has no bounds. Anyhow this law should be abolished, if it's just for Ramadan then I get it.

Respect the law of the lands or get lost, you can take your inferior complex with you and go clubbing with the Indian "brothers" who are so fond of you in equal measure.

 

[ExpressPacer]

The worst Islamic State is Saudi Arabia, the inferior complex of some folk has no bounds. Anyhow this law should be abolished, if it's just for Ramadan then I get it.

Respect the law of the lands or get lost, you can take your inferior complex with you and go clubbing with the Indian "brothers" who are so fond of you in equal measure.

If recognizing and speaking for the rights of non Muslim BROTHERS is considered to be an inferiority complex, then I proudly have an inferiority complex. Because this is what my religion, my leader (Mohammad Ali Jinnah) and my teachers taught me to do. I don't know what education you received in the UK with all your extremist ideologies.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Bakhtawar criticises law forbidding public eating during Ramazan, says 'this is not Islam'

Perturbed by legislation making eating in public during Ramazan a jailable offence, Bakhtawar Bhutto took to Twitter to condemn the rule.

The daughter of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto said the rule is not consistent with Islam as scores of people will die of dehydration, fearing punishment from the authorities.

“People are going to die from heat stroke and dehydration with this ridiculous law. Not everyone is able. This is not Islam,” she wrote.

People are going to die from heat stroke and dehydration with this ridiculous law. Not everyone is able. This is not Islam,” she wrote.

The Senate Standing Committee on Religious Affairs on Wednesday unanimously approved the Ehtram-e-Ramazan (Amendment) Bill, 2017 under which fine for the hotel owners – violating the Ehtram-e-Ramazan Ordinance, 1981 – has been increased from Rs500 to Rs25,000.

People who smoke, eat openly during Ramazan face 3-month imprisonment

People who smoke or eat in public during Ramazan can be fined Rs500 and imprisoned for up to three months. TV channels or cinema houses that violate the law will be fined Rs500,000 or more.

Soon after Bakhtawar posted her tweet about the law, it received mixed opinions from the social media users.

While many lauded her for speaking up against the rule, others mocked her and the PPP Sindh government for their ‘indifference’ towards poverty.


http://linkis.com/tribune.com.pk/story/Z64prRY

 

[ExpressPacer]

She's absolutely correct. Only a fascist would support this unnecessary law for Muslims with weak faiths.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Please refer to Post 15 and tell me what you think.

overall i agree with you, my disagreement is a more broader one when people compare Pakistan to nations like France or India

 

[CricketCartoons]

overall i agree with you, my disagreement is a more broader one when people compare Pakistan to nations like France or India

Comparison is valid. India is pseudo secular, and Pakistan is pseudo Islamic.

 

[shaz619]

If recognizing and speaking for the rights of non Muslim BROTHERS is considered to be an inferiority complex, then I proudly have an inferiority complex. Because this is what my religion, my leader (Mohammad Ali Jinnah) and my teachers taught me to do. I don't know what education you received in the UK with all your extremist ideologies.

I think you're throwing words in my mouth after being exposed, you don't have an inferior complex for being a coconut silly! you have an inferior complex for giving Pakistan the label of the worst Islamic state, in fact given your lust for Saudi Arabia it speaks volumes of your own extremist ideologies and lack of education which has taught you to provocatively attack others personally in a desperate bit to seem smarter! wah ji vah "bro" you're so pious ! too bad no one taught you basic manners and etiquette

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

overall i agree with you, my disagreement is a more broader one when people compare Pakistan to nations like France or India

Indeed. By dragging in other countries to take potshots at imaginary hypocrisy of some faction ( not sure who) just weakens what would otherwise be a decent debate in itself.

 

[TM Riddle]

The worst Islamic State is Saudi Arabia, the inferior complex of some folk has no bounds. Anyhow this law should be abolished, if it's just for Ramadan then I get it.

Respect the law of the lands or get lost, you can take your inferior complex with you and go clubbing with the Indian "brothers" who are so fond of you in equal measure.

I find it so hilarious to see people who probably haven't been to subcontinent and have spent their entire life in comforts of a developed country telling the original inhabitants to what to do and what not.I bet you can't even survive a week in Pakistan or India without the facilities you are used to living in England and still have nerve to use that tone with him.
Kabhi aao idhar khushbu laga k.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like the debate is more about PP members views than the ban on public eating.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Comparison is valid. India is pseudo secular, and Pakistan is pseudo Islamic.

completely agree

However how a nation presents itself matters, and they should be judged against that.

Its why people get more annoyed at America doing dodgy stuff in the world as compared to Russia. Russia doesnt pontificate on 'freedom' to the same extent, nor do they have some bs concept like manfiest destiny

 

[ExpressPacer]

I think you're throwing words in my mouth after being exposed, you don't have an inferior complex for being a coconut silly! you have an inferior complex for giving Pakistan the label of the worst Islamic state, in fact given your lust for Saudi Arabia it speaks volumes of your own extremist ideologies and lack of education which has taught you to provocatively attack others personally in a desperate bit to seem smarter! wah ji vah "bro" you're so pious ! too bad no one taught you basic manners and etiquette

Honestly, no disrespected intended, but your post is hilarious. First of all, if you bothered to read through the thread, the only reason why I consider Pakistan the worst Islamic State is because I don't think Saudi Arabia is an Islamic State at all. But that's not the crux of this thread, so I'm not going to have a debate on that today. So, before trying to label me as an extremist, please take the time to read all of my comments instead of just one.

Secondly, please point out one single time I attacked you. You're the one who's been telling me to "Get Lost" and calling me out for having an inferiority complex. And on top of that you question my basic manners and etiquette. Ironic.

Any-who, I don't think there's a point in debating any further. You can have your holier than thou opinion and I can have mine. Cheers

 

[ExpressPacer]

overall i agree with you, my disagreement is a more broader one when people compare Pakistan to nations like France or India

Yes. I agree there. Perhaps it isn't the best of comparisons but I sensed a bit of hypocrisy from my friends on Facebook and all therefore decided to make this thread.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I find it so hilarious to see people who probably haven't been to subcontinent and have spent their entire life in comforts of a developed country telling the original inhabitants to what to do and what not.I bet you can't even survive a week in Pakistan or India without the facilities you are used to living in England and still have nerve to use that tone with him.
Kabhi aao idhar khushbu laga k.

Forget it, man. All expats think they have some edge over us and somehow or the other, they are superior and their opinion is fact. What's even more hilarious is the fact that my support for Hindus (and other minorities) has landed a me cry to party with Indian "brothers". Very much shows you how progressive the Western education is that these guys are getting!

 

[shaz619]

Honestly, no disrespected intended, but your post is hilarious. First of all, if you bothered to read through the thread, the only reason why I consider Pakistan the worst Islamic State is because I don't think Saudi Arabia is an Islamic State at all. But that's not the crux of this thread, so I'm not going to have a debate on that today. So, before trying to label me as an extremist, please take the time to read all of my comments instead of just one.

Secondly, please point out one single time I attacked you. You're the one who's been telling me to "Get Lost" and calling me out for having an inferiority complex. And on top of that you question my basic manners and etiquette. Ironic.

Any-who, I don't think there's a point in debating any further. You can have your holier than thou opinion and I can have mine. Cheers

You advocated a point based on something which is not a fact. Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state, you can't deem it is not to justify your own views about Pakistan; yes it's not a paradise and no one has said that but you spend most your time crapping all over the country which makes it hard to take you seriously given the lack of objectivity before accusing others of extremism and all because I can spin the rhetoric that way to make you seem like a terrorist but it's not required is it? because its stupid both ways.

And I didn't single you out but those who are so fed up of Pakistan should indeed get lost

 

[ExpressPacer]

You advocated a point based on something which is not a fact. Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state, you can't deem it is not to justify your own views about Pakistan; yes it's not a paradise and no one has said that but you spend most your time crapping all over the country which makes it hard to take you seriously given the lack of objectivity before accusing others of extremism and all because I can spin the rhetoric that way to make you seem like a terrorist but it's not required is it? because its stupid both ways.

And I didn't single you out but those who are so fed up of Pakistan should indeed get lost

I've lived in Pakistan all my life and will continue to do so, unlike yourself. So please, don't blame for being a hater. The only problem is, I don't live in a fools paradise and I don't keep on feeding my delusions. And that is what makes Pakistan great. We aren't scared to question our laws and we don't justify everything blindly in a sense of "patriotism".

I don't spend my time "crapping" all over the country, I am just realistic. And I being an actual Pakistani who chooses to live here and not in some first world country consider it my duty to defend the rights of my fellow Pakistani's, Muslim or not.

 

[shaz619]

And am sorry [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] but am not going to call anyone a "brother" who would stab me in the back while am giving him a hug. That doesn't make me a bad person but a very sensible individual.

 

[ExpressPacer]

And am sorry [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] but am not going to call anyone a "brother" who would stab me in the back while am giving him a hug. That doesn't make me a bad person but a very sensible individual.

That's your opinion and I respect that, brother.

 

[shaz619]

I've lived in Pakistan all my life and will continue to do so, unlike yourself. So please, don't blame for being a hater. The only problem is, I don't live in a fools paradise and I don't keep on feeding my delusions. And that is what makes Pakistan great. We aren't scared to question our laws and we don't justify everything blindly in a sense of "patriotism".

I don't spend my time "crapping" all over the country, I am just realistic. And I being an actual Pakistani who chooses to live here and not in some first world country consider it my duty to defend the rights of my fellow Pakistani's, Muslim or not.

You're a true patriot sir. I suppose am one of the lucky ones who wasn't born in that hell hole you're describing. Good luck on your crusade to ensure people can eat a bacon sandwich in the streets during Ramadan

 

[ExpressPacer]

You're a true patriot sir. I suppose am one of the lucky ones who wasn't born in that hell hole you're describing. Good luck on your crusade to ensure people can eat a bacon sandwich in the streets during Ramadan

And good luck on your Jihad of walking in Birmingham streets with a fast and maintaining your weak faith!

 

[shaz619]

Why is that just because I don't live there I can't say anything? if something goes down in my country all the foreign leeches come out.

At least I don't disrespect the country of my mothers birth and am amongst the few who always tries to arrange charitable endeavours unlike other brit pakistanis who are more interested in helping all the arabs in the middle east.

It's only natural that am going to have an affection for Pakistan, so if I do have an opinion no need to demonize me for it and spewing hatred about weak faith etc shows how pathetic you are. So much for your "tolerance" and "brotherhood" [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] #vile

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I've lived in Pakistan all my life and will continue to do so, unlike yourself. So please, don't blame for being a hater. The only problem is, I don't live in a fools paradise and I don't keep on feeding my delusions. And that is what makes Pakistan great. We aren't scared to question our laws and we don't justify everything blindly in a sense of "patriotism".

I don't spend my time "crapping" all over the country, I am just realistic. And I being an actual Pakistani who chooses to live here and not in some first world country consider it my duty to defend the rights of my fellow Pakistani's, Muslim or not.

If you think Pakistan is so great, then why are you complaining about the culture of the country you choose to live in? Oh and by the way, if you are going to come out with statements like: "I don't know what education you received in the UK with all your extremist ideologies", then I can educate you on that, but first please tell us how it is our fault if you don't like the laws in your country which your fellow Pakistanis presumably are enabling and rubber stamping.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Why is that just because I don't live there I can't say anything? if something goes down in my country all the foreign leeches come out.

At least I don't disrespect the country of my mothers birth and am amongst the few who always tries to arrange charitable endeavours unlike other brit pakistanis who are more interested in helping all the arabs in the middle east.

It's only natural that am going to have an affection for Pakistan, so if I do have an opinion no need to demonize me for it and spewing hatred about weak faith etc shows how pathetic you are. So much for your "tolerance" and "brotherhood" [MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] #vile

Bro, I'm sorry if you're offended. I can promise you that wasn't my intention. And you have every right to be say whatever you want about Pakistan but the message I was trying to get across was that this ban would have no positive outcome as more people of minorities would raise their voices against Pakistan and Pakistan's image around the world would be tarnished. Any-who, I'm proud of you for donating in Pakistan and defending it like no tomorrow! Again, apologies if I offended you but this is just my opinion.

 

[shaz619]

If you think Pakistan is so great, then why are you complaining about the culture of the country you choose to live in? Oh and by the way, if you are going to come out with statements like: "I don't know what education you received in the UK with all your extremist ideologies", then I can educate you on that, but first please tell us how it is our fault if you don't like the laws in your country which your fellow Pakistanis presumably are enabling and rubber stamping.

Am an extremist with no education for having the opposing opinion regarding law, says the guy taking the moral high ground when it comes to tolerance etc

 

[ExpressPacer]

If you think Pakistan is so great, then why are you complaining about the culture of the country you choose to live in? Oh and by the way, if you are going to come out with statements like: "I don't know what education you received in the UK with all your extremist ideologies", then I can educate you on that, but first please tell us how it is our fault if you don't like the laws in your country which your fellow Pakistanis presumably are enabling and rubber stamping.

That is exactly what I'm saying though? What are you trying to say? Am I as Pakistani citizen not entitled to question the laws the Govt. passes? Or am I supposed to accept everything with a blind eye because it is my country and I'm patriotic? Sorry, but that's not how it works.

And also, before you educate me, let me remind you, this is not the culture of the country. Pakistan was (and somewhere deep down) is still a very accepting country with accepting people but this Pro-Wahabbi regimes and Governments have tried their absolute hardest to deprive Pakistan of that unique quality.

 

[shaz619]

Bro, I'm sorry if you're offended. I can promise you that wasn't my intention. And you have every right to be say whatever you want about Pakistan but the message I was trying to get across was that this ban would have no positive outcome as more people of minorities would raise their voices against Pakistan and Pakistan's image around the world would be tarnished. Any-who, I'm proud of you for donating in Pakistan and defending it like no tomorrow! Again, apologies if I offended you but this is just my opinion.

Alright allow all of that lets just talk about the OP, so is this law only active during Ramadan or throughout the year

 

[ExpressPacer]

Alright allow all of that lets just talk about the OP, so is this law only active during Ramadan or throughout the year

Only Ramzan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is exactly what I'm saying though? What are you trying to say? Am I as Pakistani citizen not entitled to question the laws the Govt. passes? Or am I supposed to accept everything with a blind eye because it is my country and I'm patriotic? Sorry, but that's not how it works.

And also, before you educate me, let me remind you, this is not the culture of the country. Pakistan was (and somewhere deep down) is still a very accepting country with accepting people but this Pro-Wahabbi regimes and Governments have tried their absolute hardest to deprive Pakistan of that unique quality.

But that contradicts the post where you agreed (and highlighted) DW44's assertion that for the most part the public agrees with such laws. Make your mind up so we can know where you are coming from.

Is it the govt? The army? Or the public? Or Saudi Arabia? Maybe it's always someone else's fault, like perhaps the Pakistanis living in the UK? I will educate you further on that by the way, it would be a good lesson on how minorities conform in western countries. It might be a great model for Pakistan in fact, but then Pakistan isn't the UK. Neither are India and France for that matter but more on that later.

 

[ExpressPacer]

But that contradicts the post where you agreed (and highlighted) DW44's assertion that for the most part the public agrees with such laws. Make your mind up so we can know where you are coming from.

Is it the govt? The army? Or the public? Or Saudi Arabia? Maybe it's always someone else's fault, like perhaps the Pakistanis living in the UK? I will educate you further on that by the way, it would be a good lesson on how minorities conform in western countries. It might be a great model for Pakistan in fact, but then Pakistan isn't the UK. Neither are India and France for that matter but more on that later.

In case you missed it, let me remind you, I said "deep down" and that this Wahabi Govts. had made a lot of efforts to infiltrate their own extremism into the society.

And I don't even understand what the second bit has to do with the crux of this thread. We're talking about minorities in Pakistan not elsewhere.

 

[Lonewarrior]

what the fuss about it ?
pakistanis do know that the implementation of such law is not possible for so many reasons in pakistan. i have seen many people eating and drinking around me during ramzan. also , i dont get bothered at all. so its only formality from govt side.
you want to see the implementation of this law, just visit Dubai and KSA. thn you will stop crying.

 

[Pakistanian]

and people on here act surprised why so many people want to leave Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In case you missed it, let me remind you, I said "deep down" and that this Wahabi Govts. had made a lot of efforts to infiltrate their own extremism into the society.

And I don't even understand what the second bit has to do with the crux of this thread. We're talking about minorities in Pakistan not elsewhere.

In what way is it a Wahabi govt? I am not a fan of the PMLN, but I never considered it sectarian to this point. Govts are elected by the people rightly or wrongly. If you don't personally like it that's fair enough, but you can't speak on behalf of the rest of Pakistan if they elected that govt.

 

[Runner Up]

Are you sure about Dubai in Ramadan? That's surprising since their whole economy is based on tourism, and eating out is a big part of that.

Yes Sir. I spent a week there in Ramadan three years ago and I was already warned by my relative there prior to arrival in Dubai. Since I was not fasting because of very hot weather and I couldn't find anything to eat during day time.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes Sir. I spent a week there in Ramadan three years ago and I was already warned by my relative there prior to arrival in Dubai. Since I was not fasting because of very hot weather and I couldn't find anything to eat during day time.

Ok thanks. Dubai's reputation is still intact though, so perhaps it's not such a big issue except for some people who want to make a point.

 

[JaDed]

Ok thanks. Dubai's reputation is still intact though, so perhaps it's not such a big issue except for some people who want to make a point.

Good to see though you supporting them considering it doesn't matter,surely the leftist Indians can take a leaf out of your thought and hopefully stop bothering everyone with beef issues.