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Supposing you buy 5 cars and give them to careem/uber along with a driver and they run for 14-16 hours at least per day then they'd be bringing aroundt 90,000-130,000 per month (based on what I've read and heard). Deducting 20-30k for the driver would leave you with about 1 lac per month per car.

Getting such an amount per car is a very good investment. Supposing you got the car for 15 Lacs then that's pretty good return on investment too. Along with that if the car runs in Lahore or karachi as compared to islamabad would even bring in more money.

Cars have to be insured so theft and accidents are not an issue

What are your thoughts?
 
and taxes?
I didn't account for that but even after doing that it still gives pretty good returns.

Like for a comparison a person buys a 20 mil house and rents it for 60-70k and these are considered good returns. So if you compare the two the former seems a pretty good investment even after accounting for depreciation etc
 
I did a detailed analysis on it as I've been thinking of investing in sth like this

You are missing several aspects in your analysis which drive up the cost

I'll put out my analysis on it sometime
 
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Btw the way you say buy 5 cars is pretty funny

That's atleast a PKR 70 lac expense in itself
 
Btw the way you say buy 5 cars is pretty funny

That's atleast a PKR 70 lac expense in itself

It is. But supposing each car pulls in 100k per month so that amounts to 500k per month for the 5 cars. If this stays consistent than that's 60 Lacs a year. Supposing these figures are inflated and in worst case scenarios you pull in half this amount then that's not bad either.

Apart from that corollas barely lose any value even after years of use. At most each loses 50k value per year (extremely unlikely) then that's very reasonable too.

Yes 70 Lacs us quite an amount but you don't have to go with 5 cars from the start. The return are quite good be it 5 cars or 1.

Many people have quite a lot of money lying around in banks. Many don't take interest on it, some do. The amount of interest offered is 3 percent if I'm not wrong so investing it in something like this wouldn't be a very bad idea.
 
I would be really interested in knowing what is the realistic amount one would expect to pull in per car. The amount I have mentioned is based on rough calculations and some articles I have read. If someone could provide a real figure that'd be nice.

I read about an Indian guy who owns 50 cars and all of them drive with Uber.
 
5 car and one driver? Each driver you should have to pay 10k minimum...I doubt it's even enough.

People used to make very good money in beginning now it's not same even if it's still profitable.
 
5 car and one driver? Each driver you should have to pay 10k minimum...I doubt it's even enough.

People used to make very good money in beginning now it's not same even if it's still profitable.

Honest to God this is the dumbest question ever :p 5 cars and 5 drivers. Rent a car guys pay drivers 10-20k a month and they make them work like donkeys so you can get good drivers for about 20k a month.
 
Honest to God this is the dumbest question ever :p 5 cars and 5 drivers. Rent a car guys pay drivers 10-20k a month and they make them work like donkeys so you can get good drivers for about 20k a month.

You are not going to get 100000/car now...those are early days when they try to get market share...there are many cases improper payments by Uber as well.

Just because some one did somewhere doesn't mean you can easily pocket money..If this is the case everyone should have invested in this scheme by now.

Best option is buy cheap cars,get drivers from remote areas who works for cheap (you may even have to rotate every year).
 
I would be really interested in knowing what is the realistic amount one would expect to pull in per car. The amount I have mentioned is based on rough calculations and some articles I have read. If someone could provide a real figure that'd be nice.

I read about an Indian guy who owns 50 cars and all of them drive with Uber.
Btw you aren't accounting the fact that a cut of those revenues go to careem
 
Exactly.The amount he quoting sounds too true to believe I even thought he employs one driver :)

It's possible to make profit but may be half of what he quoting..what is standard salary of drivers in Pakistan?
For careem drivers it has to be PKR 20,000 per month atleast

That's their rule
 
Are Careem/Uber popular in Pakistan? that would be my first question. Secondly, i can see gas being a major expense that the OP hasn't accounted for
 
Are Careem/Uber popular in Pakistan? that would be my first question. Secondly, i can see gas being a major expense that the OP hasn't accounted for
They have been very successful in Karachi and Lahore

So much so that they have shortage of cars so are open to new cars being provided by individuals
 
They have been very successful in Karachi and Lahore

So much so that they have shortage of cars so are open to new cars being provided by individuals

That is good to know. The ROI expected by the OP still seems unrealistic to me
 
So post the numbers [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] regarding this business model.

What you found from your analysis.
 
You cannot pull 100k per car per month. Sorry.

At max 60-70k, then remove the 20-30k you will pay the driver and the 10-20k you would be paying for fuel. Apart from that keep aside 5k per month for repair/upkeep of the car (running it 16 hours a day will have a huge toll on it)

So max you will be making 10-15k per car.


Sorry
 
If Syed's numbers are accurate...

15k per month per car = 1.8 lakhs per year per car = 9 lakhs per year per 5 cars

70 lakh investment yields 9 lakhs per year?

No thanks.
 
If Syed's numbers are accurate...

15k per month per car = 1.8 lakhs per year per car = 9 lakhs per year per 5 cars

70 lakh investment yields 9 lakhs per year?

No thanks.

What would you be looking for a good ROI ?

BTW I know you're into business.
 
Also one thing I forgot to add, the driver will be using a smartphone with an expensive data package. Add 2-4k for that as well.
 
What would you be looking for a good ROI ?

BTW I know you're into business.

This kind of business is not my line of work so I am unfamiliar with the numbers here.

Well..thinking about this as a layman..buying 5 cars for 70 lakhs....you don't have to pay all of that upfront....you can go for 5 or even 10 year emi payments...

To simplify numbers (excluding interest and all the complicated crap)...10 year emi payment would cost 7 lakhs per year....

To spend 7 lakhs and make 9 lakhs in a year (assuming Syed's numbers).

You make 2 lakhs per year profit on 5 cars....Not great profits (plus tons of headache) but if you have the capital, you can play the volume game (get more and more and more cars) and increase your absolute profits.

But then having that kind of capital could be out of reach for an average person plus the question remains whether that amount of investment is worthwhile for a venture like this.....maybe there is another business that could produce better returns with lesser headaches...so that must be taken into account.

As for business, ROI alone isn't enough...that coupled with volume would give us a better picture.

For business ventures with limited capital, the idea approach would be to do something with positive ROI where you can scale fast. Build upon your profits....

Whether a business is worthwhile for you is dependent on

1. whether you can make that amount elsewhere (huffing and puffing to make 5 lakhs per year....you might as well get a job and do it)
2. scaling potential (some businesses may not produce great profits at first but have a huge potential for growth - nothing wrong in being poor for a while to hit it big)
3. capital & operational costs (this model looks like a nightmare with huge costs and little profits)

I don't have specific numbers but if others (who are far more qualified in the intricacies of such businesses) can post industry numbers and situation, we can discuss.
 
So post the numbers [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] regarding this business model.

What you found from your analysis.

I was looking at it from a somewhat complex financing structure where I am not bearing the burden of it financially and its a long term game rather than month to month kinda thing.

Discussed this in detail with a friend and were almost signed up for it but I guess we dont have the risk appetite at the moment esp me because I dont want to blow away my savings on a risky endeavor as this in case it doesnt work.

Anyways How I was going is sth like this:

Lets get the revenue aspect out of the way:

The revenue side fairly simple and almost guaranteed according to my research and talking to drivers as well as the Pak CEO of Careem (ofcourse the ceo junaid iqbal would give a rosy picture but he is a succesful business guy in karachi and is competent)

A car on average will have 10 rides per day if its a 12 hr shift which is the standard. . I think an average per ride distance of 6km is pretty fair.

The cost of rides will average PKR 350 easily (a min cost of ride would be pkr 200+ km travelled flat so honestly ii think 300-350 even is a bit conservative - should be more like 400 because a lot of people use it for longer rides)

so thats straight PKR 3,500 per day.

Sundays are off. So lets say in 25 working days its PKR 87,500.

Just to sensitize it I will take the revenue range to be PKR 75,000 so as to cover worst case scenario (that is easily a minimum at the current point in time in my estimation)

Now come to the cost side:

A driver is PKR 20,000 per month flat.

A litre of petrol is around PKR 65 right now and it gives 10-15km/litre depending on car (ill keep it at 10 due to AC and all)

an average charge for the business class if PKR 23/km. So you are easily always covering your fuel cost. Unless your driver is an idiot and fleecing you at the very least your fuel cost should be 150% covered by your revenue :))

Also you stand to hold a lot of arbitrage on shorter trips because if someone is just making a short 2-4km trip they will still get charged (200+ whatever the per km cost is)

Now lets include PKR 10k per month for repairs and miscelanneous expenses.

So the financial summary is:

Base case (with conservative assumptions)
PKR
Revenue 75,000
Fuel cost 13,500 (calculations on above assumptions with 20% hike)
Driver 20,000
Misc. 10,000
Operating Profit 31,500

So in that sense it is profitable as per now. However the cost of fuel can go up and that will dent earnings eventhough you do expect an increase in the fees charged per ride (though that may mean consumers might decrease)

However I was trying to finance it was through a car loan

Prevailing car loan charge is around 8-10%

lets take 10%

Tenor is max 7 yrs unless you have amazing credit history so id take the 7 yrs

The car i would use would cost PKR 18 lac.

So with the interest and repayment the cost per month is PKR 30,800

The base operating profit i had calcualted was PKR 31,500

So in this scenario you are barely breaking even

So my plan was that have the car for 3-4 years and then sell it around then

Lets say you sold it in 3 years

You would still have loans to pay but you can pay back the whole loan as well in a go. (for 3 yrs prolly aorund pkr 8 lac)

You can prolly sell the car around pkr 15 lac if its a car like corolla in good condition

and that is your earnings from the deal.

You basically spend none of your own money and pocket the gain at the end.

Honestly i still feel its a good decision but i guess am too risk averse and chicken. Though 3 of us friends are thinking to still go into this together to spread the cost and down the line if it is working out we can further increase it.
 
The OP can certainly cut costs by going for cheaper cars

theres only certain cars you re allowed

and if its a lesser car you get downgraded to economy and you charge less
 
This kind of business is not my line of work so I am unfamiliar with the numbers here.

Well..thinking about this as a layman..buying 5 cars for 70 lakhs....you don't have to pay all of that upfront....you can go for 5 or even 10 year emi payments...

To simplify numbers (excluding interest and all the complicated crap)...10 year emi payment would cost 7 lakhs per year....

To spend 7 lakhs and make 9 lakhs in a year (assuming Syed's numbers).

You make 2 lakhs per year profit on 5 cars....Not great profits (plus tons of headache) but if you have the capital, you can play the volume game (get more and more and more cars) and increase your absolute profits.

But then having that kind of capital could be out of reach for an average person plus the question remains whether that amount of investment is worthwhile for a venture like this.....maybe there is another business that could produce better returns with lesser headaches...so that must be taken into account.

As for business, ROI alone isn't enough...that coupled with volume would give us a better picture.

For business ventures with limited capital, the idea approach would be to do something with positive ROI where you can scale fast. Build upon your profits....

Whether a business is worthwhile for you is dependent on

1. whether you can make that amount elsewhere (huffing and puffing to make 5 lakhs per year....you might as well get a job and do it)
2. scaling potential (some businesses may not produce great profits at first but have a huge potential for growth - nothing wrong in being poor for a while to hit it big)
3. capital & operational costs (this model looks like a nightmare with huge costs and little profits)

I don't have specific numbers but if others (who are far more qualified in the intricacies of such businesses) can post industry numbers and situation, we can discuss.

This can only work as a side revenue stream

Its a cat and mouse situation. Those who would be willing to have it as a primary thing prolly dont have the capital for that
 
I was looking at it from a somewhat complex financing structure where I am not bearing the burden of it financially and its a long term game rather than month to month kinda thing.

Discussed this in detail with a friend and were almost signed up for it but I guess we dont have the risk appetite at the moment esp me because I dont want to blow away my savings on a risky endeavor as this in case it doesnt work.

Anyways How I was going is sth like this:

Lets get the revenue aspect out of the way:

The revenue side fairly simple and almost guaranteed according to my research and talking to drivers as well as the Pak CEO of Careem (ofcourse the ceo junaid iqbal would give a rosy picture but he is a succesful business guy in karachi and is competent)

A car on average will have 10 rides per day if its a 12 hr shift which is the standard. . I think an average per ride distance of 6km is pretty fair.

The cost of rides will average PKR 350 easily (a min cost of ride would be pkr 200+ km travelled flat so honestly ii think 300-350 even is a bit conservative - should be more like 400 because a lot of people use it for longer rides)

so thats straight PKR 3,500 per day.

Sundays are off. So lets say in 25 working days its PKR 87,500.

Just to sensitize it I will take the revenue range to be PKR 75,000 so as to cover worst case scenario (that is easily a minimum at the current point in time in my estimation)

Now come to the cost side:

A driver is PKR 20,000 per month flat.

A litre of petrol is around PKR 65 right now and it gives 10-15km/litre depending on car (ill keep it at 10 due to AC and all)

an average charge for the business class if PKR 23/km. So you are easily always covering your fuel cost. Unless your driver is an idiot and fleecing you at the very least your fuel cost should be 150% covered by your revenue :))

Also you stand to hold a lot of arbitrage on shorter trips because if someone is just making a short 2-4km trip they will still get charged (200+ whatever the per km cost is)

Now lets include PKR 10k per month for repairs and miscelanneous expenses.

So the financial summary is:

Base case (with conservative assumptions)
PKR
Revenue 75,000
Fuel cost 13,500 (calculations on above assumptions with 20% hike)
Driver 20,000
Misc. 10,000
Operating Profit 31,500

So in that sense it is profitable as per now. However the cost of fuel can go up and that will dent earnings eventhough you do expect an increase in the fees charged per ride (though that may mean consumers might decrease)

However I was trying to finance it was through a car loan

Prevailing car loan charge is around 8-10%

lets take 10%

Tenor is max 7 yrs unless you have amazing credit history so id take the 7 yrs

The car i would use would cost PKR 18 lac.

So with the interest and repayment the cost per month is PKR 30,800

The base operating profit i had calcualted was PKR 31,500

So in this scenario you are barely breaking even

So my plan was that have the car for 3-4 years and then sell it around then

Lets say you sold it in 3 years

You would still have loans to pay but you can pay back the whole loan as well in a go. (for 3 yrs prolly aorund pkr 8 lac)

You can prolly sell the car around pkr 15 lac if its a car like corolla in good condition

and that is your earnings from the deal.

You basically spend none of your own money and pocket the gain at the end.

Honestly i still feel its a good decision but i guess am too risk averse and chicken. Though 3 of us friends are thinking to still go into this together to spread the cost and down the line if it is working out we can further increase it.

Thanks for the detailed analysis man. Nice.

1. If you have 3 years of car payment left and that's 8 lakhs and you sell the car for 15 lakhs, you end up with 7 lakhs profit per car...right?

2. Are you sure you can sell a 3 year old 18 lakh car for 15 lakhs? I don't know the field but doesn't that number seem awfully high.


3. I am assuming the business does need you to spend time managing and running it....Operations....

If I understood it correctly, yes its a good deal but everything just too tight....plus its basically an elaborate trade in the end....There is not much scope for scalability or growth for you....plus market dynamics can change in a few years.....probably you have thought all of that out....I think you may be better off investing your time to build some other business which can gain momentum and grow than making 7 lakhs per car in 3 years with tight margins....
 
Thanks for the detailed analysis man. Nice.

1. If you have 3 years of car payment left and that's 8 lakhs and you sell the car for 15 lakhs, you end up with 7 lakhs profit per car...right?

2. Are you sure you can sell a 3 year old 18 lakh car for 15 lakhs? I don't know the field but doesn't that number seem awfully high.


3. I am assuming the business does need you to spend time managing and running it....Operations....

If I understood it correctly, yes its a good deal but everything just too tight....plus its basically an elaborate trade in the end....There is not much scope for scalability or growth for you....plus market dynamics can change in a few years.....probably you have thought all of that out....I think you may be better off investing your time to build some other business which can gain momentum and grow than making 7 lakhs per car in 3 years with tight margins....

Yes.

Way too many variables

In any case i think buying a car and then using it for this as OP suggested is just bad business. Nightmare scenario where you arent even covering the cost of the car in several years. If you relly have that much cash lying around might as well have sth more concrete and less risky.

I guess youre right 15 lac is a bit on the high side

But toyotas in pakistan have very good resale value so unless the car goes through a major accidedent i think selling it around 12 lacs should be fairly straightforward

as i said it can just be a side thing for a guy who is loaded and can absorb the worst case scenarios.
 
Yes.

Way too many variables

In any case i think buying a car and then using it for this as OP suggested is just bad business. Nightmare scenario where you arent even covering the cost of the car in several years. If you relly have that much cash lying around might as well have sth more concrete and less risky.

I guess youre right 15 lac is a bit on the high side

But toyotas in pakistan have very good resale value so unless the car goes through a major accidedent i think selling it around 12 lacs should be fairly straightforward

as i said it can just be a side thing for a guy who is loaded and can absorb the worst case scenarios.

I think you took the right decision.

No point wasting the prime years of our lives chasing these deals.

Even if it clicks, it gives us no leverage other than a bit of money.
 
I think you took the right decision.

No point wasting the prime years of our lives chasing these deals.

Even if it clicks, it gives us no leverage other than a bit of money.

actually very true this last line. Didnt think if it this way
 
I was looking at it from a somewhat complex financing structure where I am not bearing the burden of it financially and its a long term game rather than month to month kinda thing.

Discussed this in detail with a friend and were almost signed up for it but I guess we dont have the risk appetite at the moment esp me because I dont want to blow away my savings on a risky endeavor as this in case it doesnt work.

Anyways How I was going is sth like this:

Lets get the revenue aspect out of the way:

The revenue side fairly simple and almost guaranteed according to my research and talking to drivers as well as the Pak CEO of Careem (ofcourse the ceo junaid iqbal would give a rosy picture but he is a succesful business guy in karachi and is competent)

A car on average will have 10 rides per day if its a 12 hr shift which is the standard. . I think an average per ride distance of 6km is pretty fair.

The cost of rides will average PKR 350 easily (a min cost of ride would be pkr 200+ km travelled flat so honestly ii think 300-350 even is a bit conservative - should be more like 400 because a lot of people use it for longer rides)

so thats straight PKR 3,500 per day.

Sundays are off. So lets say in 25 working days its PKR 87,500.

Just to sensitize it I will take the revenue range to be PKR 75,000 so as to cover worst case scenario (that is easily a minimum at the current point in time in my estimation)

Now come to the cost side:

A driver is PKR 20,000 per month flat.

A litre of petrol is around PKR 65 right now and it gives 10-15km/litre depending on car (ill keep it at 10 due to AC and all)

an average charge for the business class if PKR 23/km. So you are easily always covering your fuel cost. Unless your driver is an idiot and fleecing you at the very least your fuel cost should be 150% covered by your revenue :))

Also you stand to hold a lot of arbitrage on shorter trips because if someone is just making a short 2-4km trip they will still get charged (200+ whatever the per km cost is)

Now lets include PKR 10k per month for repairs and miscelanneous expenses.

So the financial summary is:

Base case (with conservative assumptions)
PKR
Revenue 75,000
Fuel cost 13,500 (calculations on above assumptions with 20% hike)
Driver 20,000
Misc. 10,000
Operating Profit 31,500

So in that sense it is profitable as per now. However the cost of fuel can go up and that will dent earnings eventhough you do expect an increase in the fees charged per ride (though that may mean consumers might decrease)

However I was trying to finance it was through a car loan

Prevailing car loan charge is around 8-10%

lets take 10%

Tenor is max 7 yrs unless you have amazing credit history so id take the 7 yrs

The car i would use would cost PKR 18 lac.

So with the interest and repayment the cost per month is PKR 30,800

The base operating profit i had calcualted was PKR 31,500

So in this scenario you are barely breaking even

So my plan was that have the car for 3-4 years and then sell it around then

Lets say you sold it in 3 years

You would still have loans to pay but you can pay back the whole loan as well in a go. (for 3 yrs prolly aorund pkr 8 lac)

You can prolly sell the car around pkr 15 lac if its a car like corolla in good condition

and that is your earnings from the deal.

You basically spend none of your own money and pocket the gain at the end.

Honestly i still feel its a good decision but i guess am too risk averse and chicken. Though 3 of us friends are thinking to still go into this together to spread the cost and down the line if it is working out we can further increase it.

These calculations are all worst case scenarios slog. Im not aware that sundays are off since my friends once used a careem car on a sunday so I'll be take sundays as on days here.

Lets say you drive for 15 hours a day, mostly drivers in Pak drive as long as 17-18 hours a day but we are going to be kind here. And as you have mentioned a 350-400 is a very average amount a driver may expect. If you had the common sense then you'd place yourself next to a uni as almost all the uni people use Careem now a days. If you have the worst day possible and get a 1 ride per hour (Extremely unlikely) that gives you 15 ride of rs 375 per day. So thats Rs 5625 per day and thats Rs 150k per month. These are based on unlikely scenario and in most cases you'll do better than this


What people have got wrong here is the popularity of this App now a days. Just to avoid the khawari most people prefer this over their cars. The market is huge for the time being. It is even being used as an airport pick and drop service.

Careem takes 20% from you. Rs 10000 for misc is a little too much. Newer cars on good roads will hardly bother you besides the regular fluid changes. The only real expense seems to be of petrol
 
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These calculations are all worst case scenarios slog. Im not aware that sundays are off since my friends once used a careem car on a sunday so I'll be take sundays as on days here.

Lets say you drive for 15 hours a day, mostly drivers in Pak drive as long as 17-18 hours a day but we are going to be kind here. And as you have mentioned a 350-400 is a very average amount a driver may expect. If you had the common sense then you'd place yourself next to a uni as almost all the uni people use Careem now a days. If you have the worst day possible and get a 1 ride per hour (Extremely unlikely) that gives you 15 ride of rs 375 per day. So thats Rs 5625 per day and thats Rs 150k per month. These are based on unlikely scenario and in most cases you'll do better than this


What people have got wrong here is the popularity of this App now a days. Just to avoid the khawari most people prefer this over their cars. The market is huge for the time being. It is even being used as an airport pick and drop service.

Careem takes 20% from you. Rs 10000 for misc is a little too much. Newer cars on good roads will hardly bother you besides the regular fluid changes. The only real expense seems to be of petrol

I am treating my driver as a human and not a slave. So Sunday's are off for him. (Or some other day of the week). And it's a 12 hr duty. That's also pretty long. 18 hrs are you kidding me?

10k per month is fine. You can have unexpected costs of 15k every 6-8 months so that factors in. Also insurance

I've talked to a few drivers and average is around 10 rides per day

Anyways I did give a normal scenario aswell so you can adjust numbers accordingly

The numbers I've given have solid basis
 
Thanks for the detailed analysis man. Nice.

1. If you have 3 years of car payment left and that's 8 lakhs and you sell the car for 15 lakhs, you end up with 7 lakhs profit per car...right?

2. Are you sure you can sell a 3 year old 18 lakh car for 15 lakhs? I don't know the field but doesn't that number seem awfully high.


3. I am assuming the business does need you to spend time managing and running it....Operations....

If I understood it correctly, yes its a good deal but everything just too tight....plus its basically an elaborate trade in the end....There is not much scope for scalability or growth for you....plus market dynamics can change in a few years.....probably you have thought all of that out....I think you may be better off investing your time to build some other business which can gain momentum and grow than making 7 lakhs per car in 3 years with tight margins....

You may not be aware of this but our consumer base is exceptionally dumb and they will actually buy a 3 year corolla for higher than what its cost was 4 years ago. Yeah. I have personally seen corollas going for higher than their cost even after 4 years of use. Never understood the wisdom behind this

The managing of 3 drivers is a major headache tho
 
You cannot pull 100k per car per month. Sorry.

At max 60-70k, then remove the 20-30k you will pay the driver and the 10-20k you would be paying for fuel. Apart from that keep aside 5k per month for repair/upkeep of the car (running it 16 hours a day will have a huge toll on it)

So max you will be making 10-15k per car.


Sorry

These services are very very popular now a days mainly due to the AC and the security so 100k per month for a car isnt that difficult at all
 
I am treating my driver as a human and not a slave. So Sunday's are off for him. (Or some other day of the week). And it's a 12 hr duty. That's also pretty long. 18 hrs are you kidding me?

10k per month is fine. You can have unexpected costs of 15k every 6-8 months so that factors in. Also insurance

I've talked to a few drivers and average is around 10 rides per day

Anyways I did give a normal scenario aswell so you can adjust numbers accordingly

The numbers I've given have solid basis

Supply and demand :p This kind of labour is really under paid since you drive around in an air conditioned car and its not very taxing on the body. Many bus drivers drive for 18 hours straight regularly for 15k with no Ac in the car (Seen it first hand), so 15 hours for 7 days isnt all the bad. Moreover you can get a mazdoor for 500 who'll work like a slave for the whole day so this seems like a good deal for an unemployed person.

Even by your methods if you go with 10 rides per day for 30 days a month (Yes we are doing it) then thats more than 100k a month.

Which cities were these drivers from? And how long ago was this? They have really picked up their game in the last few month was popularity sky high now.

Consider the roads are good, which they are in Isalambad, lahore and karachi then a new car only needs fluid changes throughout the year. I Myself got a new car and till 120k km the only expense was of the fluids such as gear, engine and brake oils. After 100k km you get belt changes which arent all the expensive too soo Rs120k a year for misc expense seems too much to me. Rs 40k per year would be more than enough (Insurance not included)
 
Yes.

Way too many variables

In any case i think buying a car and then using it for this as OP suggested is just bad business. Nightmare scenario where you arent even covering the cost of the car in several years. If you relly have that much cash lying around might as well have sth more concrete and less risky.

I guess youre right 15 lac is a bit on the high side

But toyotas in pakistan have very good resale value so unless the car goes through a major accidedent i think selling it around 12 lacs should be fairly straightforward

as i said it can just be a side thing for a guy who is loaded and can absorb the worst case scenarios.

These cars will be driving for 12 hrs/day for 6 days over a period of 3 years. The milleage on these cars would be significantly greater than the milleage on an average vehicle. There is no way the car will maintain that high of a resale value
 
These cars will be driving for 12 hrs/day for 6 days over a period of 3 years. The milleage on these cars would be significantly greater than the milleage on an average vehicle. There is no way the car will maintain that high of a resale value

Again I would like to bring your attention to the exceptionally dumb consumer base of Pakistan. Nobody cares if you car has 1mil km on the meter, all they care about is the Corolla brand and if has been in an accident or repainted. Almost all the cars in the markets have their meters reversed anyway.
 
I did a detailed analysis on it as I've been thinking of investing in sth like this

You are missing several aspects in your analysis which drive up the cost

I'll put out my analysis on it sometime

I would like to see it.
 
People are already doing it with good success. This method involves high cap ex which are 5 cars in your case and amounts to around 70 lacs. Not everyone can afford to start this business.
 
Again I would like to bring your attention to the exceptionally dumb consumer base of Pakistan. Nobody cares if you car has 1mil km on the meter, all they care about is the Corolla brand and if has been in an accident or repainted. Almost all the cars in the markets have their meters reversed anyway.

Banking on a "dumb customer base" based on hear say is never a good idea imo. Personally speaking there are way too many expenses yhat eat intobthe revenue like petrol, salary, uber/careem fees, maintenance etc. These will significantly decrease the ROI. There are also many uncertainities fluctuating gas prices, potentially reduced demand as more and more drivers enter the market and the coolness factor wears off, security situation etc. The roi in my opinion does not cover the amount of risk.

That is my opinion though, best of luck if you decide to go ahead with it :)
 
People are already doing it with good success. This method involves high cap ex which are 5 cars in your case and amounts to around 70 lacs. Not everyone can afford to start this business.

Not doing it myself

I casually pitched it to a family member who in pure Pakistani fashion wants to buy a house for 10mil+ and rent it out for 50-60k per month. Im not going to suggest it to him considering the risks etc but still wanted to get PPers thoughts on such an idea.
 
Not doing it myself

I casually pitched it to a family member who in pure Pakistani fashion wants to buy a house for 10mil+ and rent it out for 50-60k per month. Im not going to suggest it to him considering the risks etc but still wanted to get PPers thoughts on such an idea.

As I said we are risk averse.

Also while the idea is good the potential upside is limited whereas you could be stripped of your life savings which is not the case with the house

And it does require a lot of effort and there is a lot of uncertainty and def nowhere as stable as rental income

So with less hassle, guaranteed appreciation in value and the risks it's no surprise people will choose rental income.

But yea it's definitely a good idea and who knows people may regret it a lot not going into it
 
People are already doing it with good success. This method involves high cap ex which are 5 cars in your case and amounts to around 70 lacs. Not everyone can afford to start this business.

If you are that confident in the business plan in terms of revenue generation then my method should work perfectly
 
As I said we are risk averse.

Also while the idea is good the potential upside is limited whereas you could be stripped of your life savings which is not the case with the house

And it does require a lot of effort and there is a lot of uncertainty and def nowhere as stable as rental income

So with less hassle, guaranteed appreciation in value and the risks it's no surprise people will choose rental income.

But yea it's definitely a good idea and who knows people may regret it a lot not going into it

Yeah I agree. But this low risk appetite is really holding us Pakistanis back in the world. Even while looking for employment people play it safe by going for a govt job which will always under utilize their potential and under pay them
 
at a profit of Rs.30,000/month with an investment of 15laks is pretty good in Pakistan, people spend 50lacks + to build houses and they only rent at Rs.20,000/month
 
Interesting, i am going to Pakistan end of this year so will try Careem/Uber services as a customer and may invest in this. I have always felt there is so much potential in transportation business in Pakistan but vans or mini buses are bit on the expnsive side so Uber/Careem should be an ideal opportunity to get into the industry.
 
at a profit of Rs.30,000/month with an investment of 15laks is pretty good in Pakistan, people spend 50lacks + to build houses and they only rent at Rs.20,000/month

I don't think there would be many houses rent for only 20K per month. Even so houses are generally considered a safe asset that appreciates in value over time. Cars would generally depreciate exponentially over time plus the additional headache of managing drivers and additional expenses.
 
I don't think there would be many houses rent for only 20K per month. Even so houses are generally considered a safe asset that appreciates in value over time. Cars would generally depreciate exponentially over time plus the additional headache of managing drivers and additional expenses.

From what i know, cars dont seem to depreciate in pakistan.

Also same headache exists for houses in pakistan, especially if you rent to lower to middle class, they are animals, my dads brand new house was rented out and 6 months later it looks like a scrap yard now. Plus you are given non stop problems, like fan is broken, this is broken, that is not working. Headache is much worse there.

As for rent, i was talking about the market rent you can get for a 5 marla house which will be valued at 50 laks, ofcourse you can get more rent, only if you willing to increase size or go to defence.
 
From what i know, cars dont seem to depreciate in pakistan.

Also same headache exists for houses in pakistan, especially if you rent to lower to middle class, they are animals, my dads brand new house was rented out and 6 months later it looks like a scrap yard now. Plus you are given non stop problems, like fan is broken, this is broken, that is not working. Headache is much worse there.

As for rent, i was talking about the market rent you can get for a 5 marla house which will be valued at 50 laks, ofcourse you can get more rent, only if you willing to increase size or go to defence.

There is no way that cars don't depreciate in Pakistan. Otherwise, why would someone buy an older vehicle when they can get a brand new one at the same price? At most they depreciate at a lower rate than other countries.

What you are saying about houses is definitely true and one needs to be extremely careful when choosing a tenant. However, again most people rent houses as a method of side income but the real investment is in the property as it appreciates over time.

The business plan suggested in this thread requires full time work load and unlike houses, you do not make any money on the asset itself.
 
A couple questions:

I'm assuming Uber or Careem charge the operator a service fee. How is that fee determined? Is it in USD or domestic currency?

Buying cars is a fixed cost. Once your car turns old, you won't be able to recover its value due to depreciation. A lease would protect you against it. Can you run this operation through lease?
 
Dumb consumer base of Pakistan.....cars don't depreciate in value in Pakistan...

What am I reading?

How can you start a business with such assumptions?

Exceptions don't become rules.

A car giving 30K per month revenue and house giving 30K per month revenue are 2 completely different things. A car's revenue lifetime is fixed (which will go down eventually)...while house appreciates in value.

With that being said, not a fan of house thingy. Its a very passive & slow way of making money. Way too much investment, minimal revenues (compared to investment)...and all focus is in its appreciation value.

Its an approach you take when you have a job/business with surplus income/profits. In such cases, the extra money can be used to get better returns than just letting it lie around.
 
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A couple questions:

I'm assuming Uber or Careem charge the operator a service fee. How is that fee determined? Is it in USD or domestic currency?

Buying cars is a fixed cost. Once your car turns old, you won't be able to recover its value due to depreciation. A lease would protect you against it. Can you run this operation through lease?

I don't know if leasing is available in Pakistan. However, even if it is, leasing usually restricts the amount of mileage you can put on a car, which will severely reduce the potential revenue.
 
Tried to use Uber/Kareem lat week in north nazimabad karachi and could not find any in the middle of the day.
 
This model can seriously work if people can figure out how to make a decent 10K to 20K per month profits on the front end after all expenses (emi, fuel, driver, maintenance, careem fees, etc) paid.

10K-20K per month profits may seem small and pointless but its anything but that.

You are making money on the front end IMMEDIATELY and any business that can do that has a huge potential.

Now you can go and seek out other investors/partners who can help you quickly get more cars and play the volume game.

The investors put the money for the cars so you don't have a risk...you run the operation and give them profits.....you take home a nice chunk too.

50 cars * 15K per month = 7.5 lakhs per month profits

Split it up with the investors and keep ramping up more and more cars.

100 cars * 15K per month = 15 lakhs per month profits

Rapidly expand in every major city in Pakistan and you are now cooking.

Of course, its all hypothetical. Making absolute front end profits is a BIG BIG deal.
 
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This thread begs a question... What are the chances of expats succeeding in business in Pakistan? I always thought about the idea of opening a restaurant or some other business in Pakistan but I am too unfamiliar with how things work there. Yes there is risk, but I think Pakistan's economic potential is highly untapped.
 
I always wonder who needs an uber in a third world country ? Most upper-middle class to rich class have drivers and cars, so who is going to be the customer for uber/careem ?
 
I always wonder who needs an uber in a third world country ? Most upper-middle class to rich class have drivers and cars, so who is going to be the customer for uber/careem ?

Middle class...even who have own cars still prefer Uber if they have to go some places within city due to all traffic.

Even rich people take these rides when they are out side city.Both Ola & Uber introduced high end cars specifically targeting rich people.
 
Dumb consumer base of Pakistan.....cars don't depreciate in value in Pakistan...

What am I reading?

How can you start a business with such assumptions?

Exceptions don't become rules.

A car giving 30K per month revenue and house giving 30K per month revenue are 2 completely different things. A car's revenue lifetime is fixed (which will go down eventually)...while house appreciates in value.

With that being said, not a fan of house thingy. Its a very passive & slow way of making money. Way too much investment, minimal revenues (compared to investment)...and all focus is in its appreciation value.

Its an approach you take when you have a job/business with surplus income/profits. In such cases, the extra money can be used to get better returns than just letting it lie around.

No sensible this is a very true fact and won't change anytime soon. People here are mad about corolla (specifically this car only). It hardly depreciates in value and at certain times it even appreciates. It most it will lose 100k value over 3-4 years. This isn't an assumption because 96 model corolla sells for more than a 05 Honda even today.

And 30k profit was calculated by Slog using very modest figures and very easy workload which is nothing what you find in market. 15 hour day is hard but people are dying for a job like this so I wouldnt call it unfair. I saw an MBA working in a shoe shop once and those guys made him work for 16 hours a day with a 20k a month paycheck. Same guy would happily drive around a car for 15 hours with the same pay..

In a worst case scenario once could easily make 70k profits a month per car.
 
Middle class...even who have own cars still prefer Uber if they have to go some places within city due to all traffic.

Even rich people take these rides when they are out side city.Both Ola & Uber introduced high end cars specifically targeting rich people.

Add uni students, college students and people living is hostels
 
A couple questions:

I'm assuming Uber or Careem charge the operator a service fee. How is that fee determined? Is it in USD or domestic currency?

Buying cars is a fixed cost. Once your car turns old, you won't be able to recover its value due to depreciation. A lease would protect you against it. Can you run this operation through lease?

These apps charge you flat 20 percent of revenue. They guarantee you a payment of 3500(not sure, read it in a forum) if you don't get any customers for the day.

As I have mentioned a corolla in our market for some reason doesn't depreciate or even if it does then it is a very very slow process.
 
[MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] is more near Reality but he has to slightly bring his figures down plus the Driving Hours. 10-12 hours Max.


It is a great Business Model and a Interesting thread.


(Who So Ever Cashes this Oppurtunity in First 2 Years will take the Benefits)


Just Like People who made CNG Stations while it just started made alot of Money in first 7 years. But with this after 2-3 years there will be Saturation.


If You Buy a zero metre XLI today 3 years Later the New XLi price will be 2-3 Lacks expensive than the price today and at that time if your Car hasn't had any Major Accident is driven between 50k to 100k Kilometers, is well maintained , than it will either go at the same price at which you bought or will depreviate only 1 or 2 Lac Rupees at Max. (This isn't comparable with any other Country)



If You Invest 7.5 Million Rupees in a Newly Built House in Pakistan than it will be a good Longterm Investment but won't be a good short term investment compared to Uber/Careem or any other Transportation Business in Pakistan.
 
[MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] is more near Reality but he has to slightly bring his figures down plus the Driving Hours. 10-12 hours Max.


It is a great Business Model and a Interesting thread.


(Who So Ever Cashes this Oppurtunity in First 2 Years will take the Benefits)


Just Like People who made CNG Stations while it just started made alot of Money in first 7 years. But with this after 2-3 years there will be Saturation.


If You Buy a zero metre XLI today 3 years Later the New XLi price will be 2-3 Lacks expensive than the price today and at that time if your Car hasn't had any Major Accident is driven between 50k to 100k Kilometers, is well maintained , than it will either go at the same price at which you bought or will depreviate only 1 or 2 Lac Rupees at Max. (This isn't comparable with any other Country)



If You Invest 7.5 Million Rupees in a Newly Built House in Pakistan than it will be a good Longterm Investment but won't be a good short term investment compared to Uber/Careem or any other Transportation Business in Pakistan.

You get what I mean. For corollas people at times dont ever look at how much the car is driven, they juts go for the brand name provided the car hasnt had any major accidents


15 hours which I mentioned were based on current market trends. 3 days back I ordered a car from careem at 5.30 in the morning and the guy was at my door in 5 mins. During the ride he mentioned that he works from 5am till 9pm and sometimes 10pm with small breaks in between. So a 14-15 hour work day is not the most unrealistic thing ever. The van drivers, rent a car driver and truck drivers are already working for longer hours than these with lesser pay.

But as you said this time right now is the time to invest. Once everyone realizes the potential then it'll be like the cng station situation all over again.
 
[MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] is more near Reality but he has to slightly bring his figures down plus the Driving Hours. 10-12 hours Max.


It is a great Business Model and a Interesting thread.


(Who So Ever Cashes this Oppurtunity in First 2 Years will take the Benefits)


Just Like People who made CNG Stations while it just started made alot of Money in first 7 years. But with this after 2-3 years there will be Saturation.


If You Buy a zero metre XLI today 3 years Later the New XLi price will be 2-3 Lacks expensive than the price today and at that time if your Car hasn't had any Major Accident is driven between 50k to 100k Kilometers, is well maintained , than it will either go at the same price at which you bought or will depreviate only 1 or 2 Lac Rupees at Max. (This isn't comparable with any other Country)



If You Invest 7.5 Million Rupees in a Newly Built House in Pakistan than it will be a good Longterm Investment but won't be a good short term investment compared to Uber/Careem or any other Transportation Business in Pakistan.

Even if I buy in to your assumption, which goes against one of the basic fundamentals of financial accounting. (Specially considering the mileage these vehicles will take on being driven non stop for three years.) By your own admission a new car three year down the road will be 2-3 lakh more expensive, which means 10-15 lakh of additional cost after three years and reductions in profits.

Not saying that this plan doesn't work. But it only makes serious money if done on a large scale, 30-50 cars but that requires a significant capital investment.
 
Even if I buy in to your assumption, which goes against one of the basic fundamentals of financial accounting. (Specially considering the mileage these vehicles will take on being driven non stop for three years.) By your own admission a new car three year down the road will be 2-3 lakh more expensive, which means 10-15 lakh of additional cost after three years and reductions in profits.

Not saying that this plan doesn't work. But it only makes serious money if done on a large scale, 30-50 cars but that requires a significant capital investment.

She does not understand inflation or deflation of rupee .... She thinks car is not being depreciated which is true because new car prices would have gone way higher because rupee keep falling ....

Her model is totally wrong, she seems like living on other side of bridge [MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION]
 
She does not understand inflation or deflation of rupee .... She thinks car is not being depreciated which is true because new car prices would have gone way higher because rupee keep falling ....

Her model is totally wrong, she seems like living on other side of bridge [MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION]

If you go all financial accounting on the vehicle and depreciate a 2,000,000 car with a modest reducing balance rate of 25% then by the end of the 3 years your car's NRV would be 843,000 but in reality the car would sell for 1.7 mil eyes closed in our market. So you see that a corolla (this car specifically) doesnt depreciate like an ordinary vehicle. In order to compensate for this you'd have to revalue your vehicle every year or reduce your depreciation rate to a very nominal amount to compensate for the markket trends

Apart from the one would not consider the "inflation and deflation of the ruppee" since the project is not very long and you'd sell the vehicles long before you see any significant change due to the time value of money

And if all else I have said is wrong even then what you said is not true since depreciation is the decline in the value of an asset due to the wear and tear and not because the value of ruppee has declined

I study accounting as a major so dont bother arguing with me on this. You should be exercise some brain power and have a little knowledge of the market trends before passing out judgments because not doing so makes you look dumb.
 
These services have just started and demand is lot less than supply. Only worth it if you can make back your investment in the first 2 years. As your revenue is going to come down over time because of competition for passengers and expenses going to go up because shortage of competent and trust worthy drivers.
 
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One shows the prices at the time of release and the other shows current listing. Car the in question is 2015 model which will be 2 years old in a few month.

The accounting experts may apply IAS 16 if they like but you can clearly see these cars don't depreciate in our market
 
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I do have a car in Lahore, but it is not used at all. I live in UK. Whenever i do come to Pakistan i use the car (at most 2-3 weeks per year). So If you are telling me i can earn money on my car which is sitting idle, i am extremely interested.

Could someone please let me know the process.

Does Uber have a specific program where they connect drivers with car owners? or do we have to find a driver ourselves?

Is there a certain criteria for the type of cars that can be used?

The car would be registered in a different name (mine) and the driver would not own the car, would that be allowed?

Would highly appreciate any help on this
 
I do have a car in Lahore, but it is not used at all. I live in UK. Whenever i do come to Pakistan i use the car (at most 2-3 weeks per year). So If you are telling me i can earn money on my car which is sitting idle, i am extremely interested.

Could someone please let me know the process.

Does Uber have a specific program where they connect drivers with car owners? or do we have to find a driver ourselves?

Is there a certain criteria for the type of cars that can be used?

The car would be registered in a different name (mine) and the driver would not own the car, would that be allowed?

Would highly appreciate any help on this

Read through the thread

Best way would be to just contact careem

If it can be a good opportunity for you atleast take some initiative and call them up and ask these questions directly as your situation is unique by not being on ground
 
Punjab govt declares Careem, Uber illegal

The Punjab Government’s Provincial Transport Authority on Monday declared ride-sharing services Uber and Careem operating in Lahore as illegal.


A notification was issued in this regard to the Chief Traffic Officer of Lahore and to the Chief Executive Officer of the Lahore Transport Company.

The notification states that the two companies have been offering transport services "without registering the private cars with any regulatory body."

The notification claims that the utilisation of private cars by Uber and Careem for commercial purposes is a violation of local laws of the city.

The provincial government has also stated in the notification that the failure of Uber and Careem to obtain the required fitness certificate and route permits for their fleet of cars has resulted in "great loss to the government."

Dawn.com has reached out to representatives of Careem and Uber for a comment.

In December last year, the offices of Careem Networks (Pvt) Ltd were shut down in Islamabad after show-cause notices were issued to them in response to complaints lodged against them by the local Taxi Driver Welfare Association.

An official at the time had said the company was operating in the city "without approval or a permit".

Taxi companies or ride-hailing services?
Government bans on services such as Uber and Careem may prove to be counterproductive as the largely successful ride-sharing services are able to fill a vacuum created by the governments negligence towards public transport provision.

While Dubai-based Careem directly made inroads into markets in Karachi, Lahore and later Islamabad in October 2015, its San Francisco-based rival, Uber, began operations in Lahore in 2016.

With the launch of the ride-sharing services, commuters no longer face long waits in ques for busses that are often negligent in their operations, schedules and safety standards.

While a metro bus services have been operating in Lahore and Islamabad, the larger metropolis of Karachi has had to cope with shortage of public transport.

According to a report published in 2015, of Karachi's 329 official bus routes, only 111 are being operated. The remaining routes were abandoned as “they are not considered lucrative by the transporters”.

The operating buses have also had to face the pressure of rising fuel prices, maintenance costs, and lack of protection from the government.

Uber and Careem have previously expressed their willingness to work with the authorities and comply with licenses.

However, the government has continued to view the services as 'taxi companies' even though the fleet of cars operating under Careem and Uber are not owned by the companies. No laws have been created to accommodate a new economy.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1311858/punjab-govt-declares-careem-uber-illegal
 
Punjab govt moves to ban Careem and Uber

Punjab Government’s Provincial Transport Authority on Monday declared that ride-hailing services Uber and Careem were operating outside regulatory bounds in Lahore.


A notification was issued in this regard to the Chief Traffic Officer of Lahore and to the Chief Executive Officer of the Lahore Transport Company.

The notification stated that the two companies had been offering transport services "without registering the private cars with any regulatory body."

The notification also stated that the utilisation of private cars by Uber and Careem for commercial purposes is a violation of the city's local laws.

The provincial government also stated that the failure of Uber and Careem to obtain required fitness certificates and route permits for their fleets had resulted in "great loss to the government."

While Dubai-based Careem directly made inroads into markets in Karachi, Lahore and later Islamabad in October 2015, San Francisco-based rival Uber began operations in Lahore in 2016.

Sindh seeks curbs against Uber, Careem
Sindh Transport Secretary Taha Farooqi also said he had written to the Deputy Inspector General Traffic Asif Aijaz asking for a ban on Uber and Careem from operating in the province, Dawn learnt.

Speaking to Dawn, Farooqi said the provincial government had also asked the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) to block both services' mobile apps as they had failed to obtain required no-objection certificates (NOC) and fitness certificates.

However, the PTA later told Dawn that while they had received a request from the Sindh government, it was not within the authority's purview to block these services.

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Farooqi claimed that though negotiations were held with Uber over the last few months, only 8-10 cars had agreed to follow the authority's rules and obtain NOCs out of a total of 1,000-1,500 cars.

Talks were also held with Careem, but there was no willingness to comply with the rules, Farooqi added.

DIG Traffic Aijaz told DawnNews that police had impounded 3-4 Careem vehicles and taken drivers into custody. "We are just following orders," he said.

Sindh Transport Minister Nasir Shah later clarified that there was no crackdown against the two ride-hailing services while speaking in DawnNews show NewsWise.

"These companies follow regulations in all the countries they operate in, so why not in Pakistan?" Shah added.

"We are working on regulations, but we have taken no action against these services yet," Shah said.

Careem 'open to working with govt on regulation'
In a message broadcast live by Careem's Managing Director, Junaid Iqbal, after the ban was announced, the company said it is open to working with the authorities on laws and regulations to document what it says is a "new economy".

"We want to see what kind of laws we can help devise to regulate the sharing economy," Iqbal said. "We are ready to work with the government on all levels for this."

"We want to work with the Government of Pakistan and create 100,000 jobs by the end of 2018," Iqbal said. "For that you need private cars, taxis, rickshaws and motorcycles who can use our platform. [Together] we can create jobs and encourage entrepreneurship," he added.

Iqbal noted that countries around the world were devising new regulations to encourage the sharing economy, and that doing so had created jobs and encouraged entrepreneurship.

"The world over, economies are moving away from physical marketplaces to digital marketplaces," he said.

"Different countries are devising laws to accommodate these global changes, and we request Punjab's Chief Minister [CM] Shahbaz Sharif, Sindh CM Murad Ali Shah and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa CM Pervaiz Khattak that this new technology, this new age, and this new economy should be embraced.

"It is in the interest of Pakistan to do so," he added.

Uber 'will continue to work with regulators'
In a statement emailed to Dawn.com, Uber said it would continue to work with regulators and policymakers "to help ensure that Pakistanis have access to safe, affordable and efficient transportation option."

"In the meantime, we will stand by our driver-partners," the organisation said, as "there are currently many drivers in Pakistan that are partnering with apps like Uber to help earn a sustainable income for themselves and their families."

"We look for more and better partnerships with all to enable Pakistanis to have access to our innovative services that has been meeting an overwhelming demand in Pakistan," it added.

Change of heart?
The move to ban the car-hailing services in Punjab came as a surprise.

Recent events hosted by Uber had been attended by prominent provincial officials, including Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Lahore Captain Amin Wains, DIG Operations Haider Ashraf, Chief Traffic Officer Lahore Tayyab Cheema and Chairman Punjab Information Technology Board (PITB) Umar Saif.

Under Saif's leadership, the PITB had also inked a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Uber last year "to promote effective use of technology across Lahore".

The agreement was meant to be "part of a long term collaboration for both organisations."

Uber in 2016 had also signed an agreement with the Bank of Punjab, a state-owned concern, to "work together for over 50,000 green cab and yellow cab customers, to bring them on to the Uber platform."

After the Punjab Govt declared the two ride-hailing services illegal, a tweet posted by Umar Saif indicated confusion regarding the move.

"Working on the Uber and Careem issue," he said. "Better sense will prevail."

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Taxi companies or ride-hailing services?
Government bans on services such as Uber and Careem may prove to be counterproductive as the largely successful ride-hailing services filled a vacuum created by the government's negligence towards public transportation solutions.

With the launch of the ride-hailing services, commuters did not have to face long waits in queues for busses that were often unreliable in their operations, schedules and safety standards.

And while metro bus services have been operating in Lahore and Islamabad, the larger metropolis of Karachi still struggles to cope with a shortage of public transport.

According to a report published in 2015, of Karachi's 329 official bus routes, only 111 are being operated. The remaining routes were abandoned as “they are not considered lucrative by the transporters”.

The operating busses have also had to face the pressure of rising fuel prices, maintenance costs, and lack of protection from the government.

Uber and Careem had previously expressed their willingness to work with the authorities and comply with licenses.

However, the government has continued to view the services as 'taxi companies' even though the fleet of cars operating under Careem and Uber are not owned by the companies.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1311858/punjab-govt-moves-to-ban-careem-and-uber
 
Itni achi sahulat mil rahi thi Uber aur Careem se awaam ko, humaray hukmaraan se bardasht nahi howa ke inn bhokaay nangoon ko aek bhi asaani kaisay mil jaye.


#Thank you Khadim-e-Aala
 
Using Uber was the Best thing. Did NOT need to invest in a car. Pmln zindabad
 
Another good thing comes to an end. Well, This is Pakistani Logic for you.....!

It is not so simple.

The government may have come under pressure from the taxi drivers not operating for Uber or Careem, who may have complained about lower revenues.

It may also be that Uber and Careem did not grease the palms of the local authorities adequately, thereby getting them all worked up.

It could be any other reason too, but these two are typical to South Asia.
 
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