Push for the PSL and forget the rest

[Saj]

I just get the impression that with some at the PCB the PSL has become the golden goose, the one that lays the golden eggs and the rest of domestic cricket can go to hell.

It seems that the PSL has become the be-all and end-all of Pakistan cricket and at the same time domestic cricket in its other formats and other tournaments are in dire need of a shake-up and some investment.

I can understand why some want to push the PSL forward, but the fact is that Pakistan cricket is being hurt by this obsession with the PSL.

 

[muqarrab]

I just get the impression that with some at the PCB the PSL has become the golden goose, the one that lays the golden eggs and the rest of domestic cricket can go to hell.

It seems that the PSL has become the be-all and end-all of Pakistan cricket and at the same time domestic cricket in its other formats and other tournaments are in dire need of a shake-up and some investment.

I can understand why some want to push the PSL forward, but the fact is that Pakistan cricket is being hurt by this obsession with the PSL.

Thats really well put, PSL should be a showpiece event where only the top performing local kids in domestic competition should get a chance. There should be a very strong filter. There is no point having PSL if your premier domestic one day and test competitions are not competitive enough. As for our domestic T20 competitions, why do we have more than one in a year?

Pakistani T20 team was good till the 2010 because the game relied on natural flair, however with IPL, we were left behind, just like in everything else, because rest of the world put their brains to the matter. While we were in self denial. Even 7 years ago one would not have seen some of the shots played by top bastman now, they have worked on their game to align it with T20s, this has help them in other formats too. David warner being the prime example.

 

[Major]

in what way do you mean though?

in bringing cricket back to Pakistan? Or in improving Pakistan cricket?

 

[MenInG]

Instant Gratification, back slapping, lots of money.

 

[Saj]

in what way do you mean though?

in bringing cricket back to Pakistan? Or in improving Pakistan cricket?

Lack of investment. Lack of thought in the format of tournaments. Lack of investment in stadiums. Poor quality of cricket balls being used etc etc.

Seems like it's PSL or nothing.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Lack of investment. Lack of thought in the format of tournaments. Lack of investment in stadiums. Poor quality of cricket balls being used etc etc.

Seems like it's PSL or nothing.

Add one more thing that for sake of PSL, PCB shrink domestic season and till dec quaid e azam trophy and dept one day cup ended.

 

[Saj]

Add one more thing that for sake of PSL, PCB shrink domestic season and till dec quaid e azam trophy and dept one day cup ended.

Yes good point.

As I say when the golden goose is laying golden eggs, then forget everything else.

 

[Barragan]

The domestic circuit has been ignored for a very long time and even before the advent of PSL.

Truth be told, PSL or no PSL there would still be no attention given to the domestic circuit and anything done to improve it.

Don't think PSL has changed anything, except the franchises are willing to invest in youth and develop talent, much like LQ are doing currently.

 

[Saj]

Instant Gratification, back slapping, lots of money.

And this is the issue.

Some pockets being lined so they do not give a damn about the breeding ground and importance of 4 day domestic cricket.

 

[Pete Rose]

Rising tide lifts all boats in the harbor. The more money we make in the PSl, some of it will filter down. The franchises will hire professional staff who will be judged on performance primarily. By way of comparison I don't see bcci or Indian cricket suffering post IPL.

 

[Abdullah719]

Incompetent PCB officials behind domestic cricket decline

ISLAMABAD-The standard of Pakistan domestic cricket has been declining rapidly due to wrong policies and planning of the incompetent Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials, as they arrange domestic matches in unpleasant weather and also when national stars are busy in international assignments.

In this season too, the bungling PCB officials completely forgot to keep in mind highly unfavourable weather before announcing National One-Day Cup Regions 2016-17, round one matches in Rawalpindi and Islamabad. Even a common man is fully aware of the twin cities’ weather from December to March which remains highly cold with consistent rains. In such unpleasant weather, and it is almost impossible to even think about playing 50-over matches.

Firstly, the PCB should have delayed the tournament till March or April and waited for Pakistan Super League (PSL), as there is no major assignment of national team during that period, while it would have given chance to masses to watch their favourite players in action and secondly, if the event was to be held, it should have been held in Karachi, as weather there during these months is perfect, because days are long there, unlike of any other part of Punjab, as heavy fog and extreme cold would have not permitted 50-over matches.

Sharing their concerns with this scribe, almost all the leading players were full of complaint saying the PCB should have had mercy on them. “It is almost impossible to play in such hostile weather. We are literally shivering in the cold, and there is no way 50 overs could be bowled in both the innings. The matches can’t start before 10am and the sun sets around 4:30, while overnight dew factor is another major obstacle.

“It is normal routine worldwide, when a side wins the toss, they normally try to bat first and put up decent total on the board. But in Pakistan, the team, which won the toss, invite opposition to bat first and also the toss winning team had more chances of victory than the other team,” they added.

Some of the top national team players, on condition of anonymity, told this scribe that the PCB had made huge blunder by giving regions money to prepare kits. “The kits were not properly prepared and monograms were missing, which were installed in a hurry before start of the second match. The material used in preparing the kits is highly substandard which isn’t good enough to save the players from such a chilled weather and same is the case with sweaters, which are also poor quality.”

Speaking about rude and unprofessional behaviour of the security personnel deployed at KRL Stadium, where some high-profile matches are going to be held in next couple of days, top cricketers said: “We were stopped for a long at the entrance by the guards, who wanted us to enter the stadium with entire team. The KRL pitch is also a nightmare and it seems ground authorities never bothered to improve its worsening condition and it looks like same old pitch has been utilised since long.”

http://nation.com.pk/sports/12-Jan-2017/incompetent-pcb-officials-behind-domestic-cricket-decline

 

[MRSN]

Saj please add 'push for some foreign team to travel Pakistan' and 'PSL' in the title.

looks like these are the only two priorities of our beloved SHK and Sethi sahibs. The standards of domestic cricket are awful. I am really shocked to see the quality of pitches,batting and bowling in the ongoing OD cup. Looks like I was watching Afghanistan domestic cricket tournament. The pitches,telecast was really substandard.

These tournaments only serve one purpose that is the players that are dropped from the national team can perform in these meaningless tournaments and earn their place back in the team. No new talent is selected or is it even there? The quality of cricket would hide if there is any talented cricketer out there. It's really sad even in 2016 our domestic cricket standards are pathetic. Even Bangladesh have improved their standards. Pakistani player go there and play cricket there.

 

[Slog]

Premise of the thread is wrong

Domestic cricket and facilities were getting no attention and investment even before PSL and if PSL didn't exist they wouldn't be getting any attention still.

So it's not a case that PSL is taking away money and resources from our domestic structure.

So no point crying about this

 

[sa]

Rising tide lifts all boats in the harbor. The more money we make in the PSl, some of it will filter down. The franchises will hire professional staff who will be judged on performance primarily. By way of comparison I don't see bcci or Indian cricket suffering post IPL.

Peter Rose is spot on .
First of all, the test cricket is going away.
1) We have built two new grounds Afridi and another one).
2) PCB don't have any money right now.
3) When we talk about investment we talk about money and the only way PCB will earn money is through PSL. Why? No one will watch test cricket in the future.
4) T20 is the future of cricket plus the domestic players would get to meet superstars from other countries and learn from them. Everyone on Pak passion that there is no IPL without pakistani players and it will not survive for long yada yada yada.
5) There are more than guaranteed high level 5 T20 tournaments happening in a year.
6) want to promote cricket? T20 is the way.

 

[muqarrab]

Rising tide lifts all boats in the harbor. The more money we make in the PSl, some of it will filter down. The franchises will hire professional staff who will be judged on performance primarily. By way of comparison I don't see bcci or Indian cricket suffering post IPL.

Wrong, India's domestic needs little or no change. Ours has been calling for a change for a long time.

 

[MRSN]

Wrong, India's domestic needs little or no change. Ours has been calling for a change for a long time.

Pete Rose like to act as if everything is fine and dandy. Indian domestic cricket has always been decent. The players like Kohli,Rohit,Jadeja are all product of fine domestic cricket and a good system. They were talented but the Indian cricket system polished their talents and turned them into very good players. Pakistan's system just destroys players even if they are remotely talented.

 

[muqarrab]

Pete Rose like to act as if everything is fine and dandy. Indian domestic cricket has always been decent. The players like Kohli,Rohit,Jadeja are all product of fine domestic cricket and a good system. They were talented but the Indian cricket system polished their talents and turned them into very good players. Pakistan's system just destroys players even if they are remotely talented.

Absolutely, willow shows indian doesmtic matches and for domestic cricket they are competitive, the talent is good-ish and most importantly facilities and setup are good.

 

[Pete Rose]

Wrong, India's domestic needs little or no change. Ours has been calling for a change for a long time.

But India's results in all three formats have improved markedly post vs pre IPL

 

[Pete Rose]

Pete Rose like to act as if everything is fine and dandy. Indian domestic cricket has always been decent. The players like Kohli,Rohit,Jadeja are all product of fine domestic cricket and a good system. They were talented but the Indian cricket system polished their talents and turned them into very good players. Pakistan's system just destroys players even if they are remotely talented.

But their predecessors were even better players but we used to beat them for fun till 2009

 

[Saj]

Premise of the thread is wrong

Domestic cricket and facilities were getting no attention and investment even before PSL and if PSL didn't exist they wouldn't be getting any attention still.

So it's not a case that PSL is taking away money and resources from our domestic structure.

So no point crying about this

So if it wasn't working, it's ok to just keep the status quo and hoping we produce high quality players by luck.

 

[Slog]

So if it wasn't working, it's ok to just keep the status quo and hoping we produce high quality players by luck.

No my point is that the thread gives the impression that PSL is to blame and is somehow taking resources which would be better spent elsewhere. However the truth is that those resources would just go in pockets of administrators and not to any other useful endeavor if PSL hadnt existed.

Overall PSL is having a net positive effect as atleast some attention is being paid to domestic cricketers

 

[WC-Passion]

No my point is that the thread gives the impression that PSL is to blame and is somehow taking resources which would be better spent elsewhere. However the truth is that those resources would just go in pockets of administrators and not to any other useful endeavor if PSL hadnt existed.

Overall PSL is having a net positive effect as atleast some attention is being paid to domestic cricketers

Well said. Nothing to do with the PSL, PCB have been careless before it was made, and PSL has changed nothing, if anything, it's improved the development of domestic cricketers.

 

[muqarrab]

But their predecessors were even better players but we used to beat them for fun till 2009

I cannot recall the last time i saw an indian batsman with crappy technique or lack of application. Our team on 90s and 80s was made up of people who had once in a generation exceptional talent thats DID NOT come through the domestic ranks, instead it was farmed by the likes of miandad and Ik through indirect streams. Indian team on the other had was made up of consistent domestic performers. We have been losing to india consistently since 2004, barring two series, lets not ignore the issues we have just for the sake of proving a point.

 

[Pete Rose]

I cannot recall the last time i saw an indian batsman with crappy technique or lack of application. Our team on 90s and 80s was made up of people who had once in a generation exceptional talent thats DID NOT come through the domestic ranks, instead it was farmed by the likes of miandad and Ik through indirect streams. Indian team on the other had was made up of consistent domestic performers. We have been losing to india consistently since 2004, barring two series, lets not ignore the issues we have just for the sake of proving a point.

Lazy stereotyping. Do some research. Barring Miandad and akram all of the Pakistani players were products of a strong domesticsystem.

 

[muqarrab]

Lazy stereotyping. Do some research. Barring Miandad and akram all of the Pakistani players were products of a strong domesticsystem.

Name a few perhaps?

 

[Pete Rose]

Name a few perhaps?

If you only two name from that era, I suspect you have a lot of homework to do

 

[muqarrab]

If you only two name from that era, I suspect you have a lot of homework to do

Name a few?

 

[volcyz]

PSL = foreign players laughing their way to the bank with minimal performance and lots of off field glamour and benefits.

 

[IAJ]

PSL is also a domestic tournament. PCB should be able to have a good first class tournament at the same time. I mean look at India, they are producing good cricketers and also have a competitive IPL. It should not be either PSL or FC, both should be possible.

The biggest problems are incompetence and corruption.