Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah portrait controversy in India

[www787]

Partition was the right solution for the communal problem. The issue was the way it was achieved, over the death of millions. That many people didnt die even during anti British movements.

Off course it was the right solution.

Had partition not taken place more lives would have been lost within few years after partition.

Blaming Jinnah for the deaths of many is just clutching the straws and justifying created hate to keep the naive hindus on leach, now this narrative is used to fetch votes by BJP and RSS.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Off course it was the right solution.

Had partition not taken place more lives would have been lost within few years after partition.

Blaming Jinnah for the deaths of many is just clutching the straws and justifying created hate to keep the naive hindus on leach, now this narrative is used to fetch votes by BJP and RSS.

He does share some of the blame (he didnt even show regret for the Great Calcutta Killings), the lions share goes to the british as they were in charge.

Who do you think shares the blame for the killings? Let me know what is your view.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Me trying to spin?

Your 'Bot" response when light is shine on India regarding the wrong India does is more of trying to spin than anyone else on this forum.

No one has stopped India from removing Jinnah statue/pic. I am surprised Modi and RSS hasn't already done it that years ago. I guess this was the right time, because hate has seeped in completely in general population.

It wasn't Jinnah alone who wanted partition of India, it was my ancestors and many more Pakistani ancestors who wanted Partition of India, and rightly so.

What wrong India?

Were people wrong in removing statues or portraits of Lenin or Cecil Rhodes? No.

Then why is India wrong in removing the portrait of M A Jinnah?

Its not Modi or RSS, entire political spectrum of India rejects the idea and principles of M A Jinnah.

The leader decides the course of action and he decided violence.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Off course it was the right solution.

Had partition not taken place more lives would have been lost within few years after partition.

Blaming Jinnah for the deaths of many is just clutching the straws and justifying created hate to keep the naive hindus on leach, now this narrative is used to fetch votes by BJP and RSS.

Can you look past RSS and BJP?

The narrative on Jinnah is the same since 1947. BJP didnot exist then. Neither it needs Jinnah to get votes. The entire congress party in 1947 hated Jinnah for the violence he unleashed and thats the narrative even today.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He does share some of the blame (he didnt even show regret for the Great Calcutta Killings), the lions share goes to the british as they were in charge.

Who do you think shares the blame for the killings? Let me know what is your view.

Muslim league was incharge of Bengal in 1946. Suhrawardy was the CM.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Muslim league was incharge of Bengal in 1946. Suhrawardy was the CM.

I meant managing the partition, where the brits left in a hurry leaving people on their own. Suhrawardy had sent officials on leave during the Calcutta Killings and the brits had kept their troops in cantonment..the people of Calcutta were sitting duck for the mob.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can you look past RSS and BJP?

The narrative on Jinnah is the same since 1947. BJP didnot exist then. Neither it needs Jinnah to get votes. The entire congress party in 1947 hated Jinnah for the violence he unleashed and thats the narrative even today.

Saying BJP didn't exist then is like saying BNP didn't exist in England before National Front, or after EDL. They are all the same faces wearing poorly disguised masks.

 

[PakLFC]

If I was living in the 1940's would have totally supported Jinnah saheb. It is sad that so many people had to die to make way for Pakistan, these things happen in history. India can bring down the portrait anytime they want. Seems as if there are till many Jinnah lovers in India. The hypocrisy is that why don't they demoslish Jinnah house in Mumbai as well? https://theprint.in/theprint-essent...cy-have-also-faced-ire-in-modern-india/55064/

 

[www787]

What wrong India?

Were people wrong in removing statues or portraits of Lenin or Cecil Rhodes? No.

Then why is India wrong in removing the portrait of M A Jinnah?

Its not Modi or RSS, entire political spectrum of India rejects the idea and principles of M A Jinnah.

The leader decides the course of action and he decided violence.

Where and when did I say India is eithe wrong or right to remove Jinnah’s portrait?

Every Pakistani understands India’s Current ruling party, which has extremists groups support, reject the idea of Pakistan and Pakistan’s existence.

I’m glad he decided to fight against the oppressor right after British had decided to leave, otherwise, more innocents Muslims lives would have been lost at the hand of majority.

 

[moghul]

I would hate it if there is Gandhi's portrait in any of Pakistan's school college or University.

So i won't blame Indians for this.

Not if Ghandi or Nehru were the donor of any university in Pakistan, Jinnah was a big donor of the AMU, hence his portrait was there.

 

[moghul]

Can you look past RSS and BJP?

The narrative on Jinnah is the same since 1947. BJP didnot exist then. Neither it needs Jinnah to get votes. The entire congress party in 1947 hated Jinnah for the violence he unleashed and thats the narrative even today.

Jinnah, violence ? Looks like creative Indians have created their own brand of history.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where and when did I say India is eithe wrong or right to remove Jinnah’s portrait?

Every Pakistani understands India’s Current ruling party, which has extremists groups support, reject the idea of Pakistan and Pakistan’s existence.

I’m glad he decided to fight against the oppressor right after British had decided to leave, otherwise, more innocents Muslims lives would have been lost at the hand of majority.

You are stuck at current. Lol. Get out of your bias.

Not only the current ruling party but almost every political party since 1947, including the Nehru led congress rejects the communal and violent ideas of M A Jinnah.

No one rejects the existence of Pakistan as it is a reality.

But the idea that hindus and muslims cant live together is throughly rejected. In India they do live together.

Also the idea that religion is the basis of a united single homeland for subcontinental muslims was also considered untenable and Bangladesh proved it.

Ofcourse the violent ways of M A Jinnah which caused deaths of so many people are condemned.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jinnah, violence ? Looks like creative Indians have created their own brand of history.

Heard of Direct action day riots or do they omit it in Pakistan?

 

[www787]

You are stuck at current. Lol. Get out of your bias.

Not only the current ruling party but almost every political party since 1947, including the Nehru led congress rejects the communal and violent ideas of M A Jinnah.

No one rejects the existence of Pakistan as it is a reality.

But the idea that hindus and muslims cant live together is throughly rejected. In India they do live together.

Also the idea that religion is the basis of a united single homeland for subcontinental muslims was also considered untenable and Bangladesh proved it.

Ofcourse the violent ways of M A Jinnah which caused deaths of so many people are condemned.

Off course, Muslims and Hindu can live together, happens daily in Pakistan.

As of late in India, historic mosque get destroyed by extremists Hindu, an innocent girl gets raped for being a Muslim in a Hindu temple then pepetrator gets protection by politicians and local Hindus. Muslim who disagree with majority Hindu are told to go to Pakistan, and countless other stories.

Condemned by who? Extremists right wing hard line extremists Hindus? That is irrelevant, but it is understandable why such extremists group would condemned division of a country by minority.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Off course, Muslims and Hindu can live together, happens daily in Pakistan.

They can live together only when one is ruling over the other, or both are under someone elses rule. Otherwise it is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Off course, Muslims and Hindu can live together, happens daily in Pakistan.

As of late in India, historic mosque get destroyed by extremists Hindu, an innocent girl gets raped for being a Muslim in a Hindu temple then pepetrator gets protection by politicians and local Hindus. Muslim who disagree with majority Hindu are told to go to Pakistan, and countless other stories.

Condemned by who? Extremists right wing hard line extremists Hindus? That is irrelevant, but it is understandable why such extremists group would condemned division of a country by minority.

Happens in Pakistan? You mean thats why they run away to India and claim refugee status?

Mosque was build by destroying one of the holiest temples of Hindus evidence of which has been found in archaelogical excavations. There is no count of temples that have been destroyed in Pakistan. Its funny how pakistanis like you tend to give sermons on this. Look after your own country.

Condemned by majority of Indians cutting across all ideological and religious sections.Condemned by the likes of Gandhi. By Nehru by Patel and almost every leader of significance in India. Call them extremists if you will, the world certainly doesnt say so.

 

[MenInG]

Happens in Pakistan? You mean thats why they run away to India and claim refugee status?

Mosque was build by destroying one of the holiest temples of Hindus evidence of which has been found in archaelogical excavations. There is no count of temples that have been destroyed in Pakistan. Its funny how pakistanis like you tend to give sermons on this. Look after your own country.

Condemned by majority of Indians cutting across all ideological and religious sections.Condemned by the likes of Gandhi. By Nehru by Patel and almost every leader of significance in India. Call them extremists if you will, the world certainly doesnt say so.

Exactly how many thousands of Hindus are moving to India everyday?

Bro this is exactly the type of "insurgency wracked" headline I was talking about.

How many Indian Hindus live in Canada or are going to Canada every year?

My Hindu friends in Pakistan are doing well as bankers, industrialists etc - think you need to stop believing things you wish to believe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly how many thousands of Hindus are moving to India everyday?

Bro this is exactly the type of "insurgency wracked" headline I was talking about.

How many Indian Hindus live in Canada or are going to Canada every year?

My Hindu friends in Pakistan are doing well as bankers, industrialists etc - think you need to stop believing things you wish to believe.

According to statements made in the National Assembly of Pakistan approximately 5000 hindus are migrating to India from Pakistan due to religious persecution.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1105830

Are those Indians going to Canada because of religious persecution?

I will stop believing this when 100s of hindus from Pakistan stop coming in here and want refugee status and want to permanently settle down here. There are refugee camps of Pakistani hindus in New Delhi itself. I have seen them. Its not a figment of imagination.

 

[MenInG]

Death anniversary of the Quaid today.

May ALLAH grant him the highest rank in Jannah - Ameen.