Question To Indians Who Want Uniform Civil Code - How Do You MORALLY Justify Beef Ban?

[ethan hunt]

We got an apologist over here. What kind of Hindu allows their sacred symbol to be butchered in their own country. After all, it is "Hindustan" and not "Multireligioustan". If no one can eat Pork in Pakistan because it is "Haram" in their majority religion, why should you allow your sacred symbol to be killed in your country ? Might as well write the entire India to the US government.

Pork and alcohol are both available in Pakistan .
Alcohol more abundantly , simply due to the demand .

 

[cricketjoshila]

People seem to forget or misinformed or intentionally avoid the fact that Beef eating isnt forbidden,cow slaughter is.

 

[Thivagar]

lol am anything but an apologist . As a Hindu and an Indian , there are lot more important issues than worrying about these trivial things . These things did not bother us for hundreds of years , why now ? Why just stop at cow , arent all living being sacred for us ?
Why should I worry about what happens in Pakistan ?

Funny to see you throw the apologist jibe.

Anyways a question. Hop you answer. Is India officially a Hindu state or a secular state?

Pork and alcohol are both available in Pakistan .
Alcohol more abundantly , simply due to the demand .

I'm a meatatarian before a Hindu and I love my burgers and steaks. Don't think I can eat things that grows on the ground or things that falls of a tree just for the sake of religion. But I like to try to be a hypocrite and see if my brain will accept my behaviour, unfortunately I cannot. I will try to sound like others here and there to assimilate with others.

 

[Thivagar]

Also, it looks like beef is eaten by lots folks who follow Hinduism as well. If you really want to convey that beef shouldn't be eaten due to religious sensitivity then first thing to do would be stop Hindus from eating beef.

I want the non believers to stop eating beef as it feel like it is a direct stab at my religion which is the best and most advanced in the world. We even had air planes 1000s of years ago. When I eat a steak, it is okay because it is my holy animal and consuming beef/steak is like consuming holy water from a church. My body is purified.

 

[Buffet]

I want the non believers to stop eating beef as it feel like it is a direct stab at my religion which is the best and most advanced in the world. We even had air planes 1000s of years ago. When I eat a steak, it is okay because it is my holy animal and consuming beef/steak is like consuming holy water from a church. My body is purified.

Not sure if you are trolling or serious here. Anyway, I can't add much to this debate here.

 

[Smbhayi]

People seem to forget or misinformed or intentionally avoid the fact that Beef eating isnt forbidden,cow slaughter is.

how do we eat beefs without slaughtering? we aren't python, dear.
BTW I think you got why are we against this. if we agreed on this we lost the right to questions the rule which is forced on us, like what central trying to do today, banning cow slaughtering all over India (which is not gonna happen in Kerala anyway) .

 

[Yossarian]

Some questions for those against cow slaughter:

1. Cows are still needed for the production of milk. Which means cows giving birth multiple times during their lifetime.

2. If the female calves are left to grow and eventually become milk producers, what should be done with all the male calves that are born? (Currently, a few of the best are retained for breeding, whilst the rest are left to grow and then slaughtered for meat)

3. The average lifespan of a cow is 25 years. The average number of lactations are 2.5 (ie number of times she becomes pregnant). Cows normally start milk production at around 2 years of age, meaning that they are worn out by about age 5.

A cow’s natural lifespan is 20 to 25 years. By the time the dairy cow is just 5 years old she is worn out by the strain of constant milk and calf production ...


https://www.vegsoc.org/cattle

Taken all of the above together means that, unless slaughtered, there will be an ever increasing number of cows/bulls, because more females are born than can be accommodated for milk production + cows living for a decade or more after ceasing milk production + the male calves that are born. (in the West they have started using sex selection to produce only female calves to limit number of male births. Not so in places like India)

So the question: Since the numbers can't be allowed to increase infinitum, what should be done with the excess if not slaughtered?

This is where the comparison with other animals forbidden from eating, such as Muslims not eating pork, falls down, as these animals are not bred in the first place where they are forbidden. Quite the opposite for cows due to the need for milk production.

Note: Do try and understand the mathematics of the above before commenting.

 

[Yossarian]

@ cricketjoshila Comment?

Small note: Guys who want to turn this into an Indo-Pak fight can BUGGER OFF. Others (whoever it may be)...please respond.

[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] Agree!

 

[Specialisttailender]

BJP bans officially beef. BJP is turning India into Muslim countries. As usual it is not settling well with my people of Tamil Nadu. How is everything looking there ? [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]

 

[SandyB]

BJP bans officially beef. BJP is turning India into Muslim countries. As usual it is not settling well with my people of Tamil Nadu. How is everything looking there ? [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]

Have posted my thoughts W.R.T. my state in the "Gods own country" page .

Can I quote / link posts from another thread in this thread ? @mods

 

[Muhammad10]

Have posted my thoughts W.R.T. my state in the "Gods own country" page .

Can I quote / link posts from another thread in this thread ? @mods

Go ahead, mate.

 

[SandyB]

Go ahead, mate.

[MENTION=134551]Muhammad10[/MENTION]
I mean how.. ?

 

[Major]

And I dont understand these religious fanatics..

Why these Hindu groups don't show the same empathy to these cows when they live in the worst conditions, roam around the city roads blocking everything, they also have to eat from the city dumps.. why don't they take care of them why don't they install cow shelter in every city if they are so concerned about them? And to rub salt in their wounds doubt they know india exports cows in one form or another?

And why these Muslim groups have a problem in that? It's not as if Quran has ordered them to eat beef otherwise they would burn in hell instead of having fun with the hoors. There are lots of goats, chicken, fish, ducks, turkeys in the world to feast. And these are healthier options to beef. Out of all people in the world I thought Muslims will be least interested in this. Cause I have seen more Christians eat beef than a average Muslim. And guess what no Christian group has raised any voice

Thats really a stupid logic you used in ur last para.

So you are saying that if a coubtry decides to ban a food so its ok because you could eat other things?

Bro, i eat chicken alot and if the govt decides to suddenly ban chicken i would be affected as i dont eat goat.

And why should i be forced to eat goat because of the govt?

If the govt suddenly decides to bad alcahol would you be as supportive?

 

[Major]

No eating beef is not a condition to be a Muslim . A muslim can be a vegetarian.

The Muslims generally eat beef , because it is cheaper than Mutton.

I eat beef because i find it tastier then other meats. I dont eat jt due to price.

 

[JaDed]

BJP bans officially beef. BJP is turning India into Muslim countries. As usual it is not settling well with my people of Tamil Nadu. How is everything looking there ? [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION]

There are two sides in this,its not uni vocal like Kerala,media/political parties are trying to link TN with Kerala but its not this time.

 

[JaDed]

Ok but looks like UCC won't be implemented,so lets get the Beef ban? What I find cringe worthy is that same media which says triple talaq isn't really being used or speaks against UCC is the same media that says beef shouldn't be banned.

So confusing,its like pro life is pro capital punishment , and pro-abortionist and anti-capital punishment.

 

[Vayuu]

I know a ton of Indians want uniform civil code and get rid of the religious nonsense in our country.

So how do you MORALLY justify supporting Beef Ban?

Sure you may say Muslims get concessions so Hindus must too. Well that is logical but you keep saying you want to sort all religious stuff.

If that's the case, then why do you support an act that will muddle the stuff up more?

Reg beef ban - I don't get your logic at all.

That religious sentiment argument is fine if you don't want uniform civil code and stuff. But if you want it...how can you use the same argument for supporting something when you are opposing the argument ELSEWHERE?

I am talking about the moral aspect here. Don't bring constitution technicality.

Small note: Guys who want to turn this into an Indo-Pak fight can BUGGER OFF. Others (whoever it may be)...please respond.

Well for starter cow is considered sacred here, uniform civil code is to have similar laws regarding marriage, divorce, etc it has nothing to do with beef, beside their are tons of thing to eat why create unnecessary problem.

 

[SandyB]

There are two sides in this,its not uni vocal like Kerala,media/political parties are trying to link TN with Kerala but its not this time.

That's the work of some desperate online warriors. Keralites always knew we'd be alone in this . Tamil people are very sensitive about these things so there would be reactions from both sides of the extremes here .

Tamil Nadu has a significant beef eating Hindu population, mainly dalits and certain OBC communities. But due to the predominant position of agriculture in the social consciousness I don't think people will accept it in public.

 

[SandyB]

I thought this would be relevant here. The whole of India are not in the same page w.r.t beef, there are speciafic reasons for that . Its not always about religion .

There are a lot of misconceptions regarding beef consumption in Kerala. SO I guess it is important to have a discussion on that .

Most people up north and centre think that only Kerala non-hindus consume beef and that beef eating was forced upon hindus here as some sort of cultural hegemony by the muslims and christians.

The truth is in a grey area, of course being almost 45% of the population the Muslim and Christian communities have a huge cultural influence over the state, much more than in other Indian states. These changes happened over a period or time and most importantly since Kerala was never under direct Islamic/Christian for a protracted time in any point in history to associate this food habit as being forced on us.

These are my thoughts on how beef and meat eating in general became so popular in Kerala ?

1. Present day Kerala used to be a deeply forested hilly area (western ghats), with very little plain land suited for agriculture. Most of the human settlements in kerala are on places claimed from the forests and hillsides.
Couple that to a long coastline meant people used to depend on hunting/gathering and fishing for food since ancient times. This would've carried over to dietary preferences even as more civilised societies emerged.


2. 40-45% population are Muslims + Christians. These communities have been around since 600AD and have lived mixed with hindus throughout the state (no visibly separate localities or for muslims and christians like in North or central India.)
This lead to a higher level of cultural mixing (including culinary tastes) . After the rise of caste reform movements in the late 19th century and socialism both of which tried to dismantle the highly caste segregated nature of Kerala prior to the 20th century. Mixed eating was highly encouraged and thus the food habits of the muslims and Christians spread to the hindus and vice versa.


3. 70-80% of Hindus are OBCs and Dalits, who were mostly involved in labour, agriculture etc, beef was/is the cheapest source of proteins for these communities.
This is especially true for the dalits who were treated as worse than slaves in Kerala society and paid practically no wages. Beef was very cheap back then and given the reluctance of other communities to eat it , made it an easy source of proteins for them .

4.Huge number of Keralites travel/migrate to Middle east and western nations, where beef/steak is a staple dish, this made it even more popular and acceptable amongst malayalis. This one of the prime reasons for the increase in acceptance of beef dishes among keralites since the early 60's.

5. Another thing to note is that the Muslims always ate beef. Whereas the hindus and christians, though meat eaters, preferred mutton,pork over beef. Beef consumption was mainly relegated to the lowest/labour classes till most of the late 19th century.
But rising prices of all other meat (fish,mutton,pork) made many to switch over to much cheaper beeincreasing prices of mutton and pork over timef .


6. The malayalam/tamil word for cow is "pasu" which in Sanskrit
means animal given for sacrifice.

m. (instrumental case paś/unā-or śva-; dative case p/aśve-or paś/ave-; genitive case paśv/as-or śos-; dual number paśv/ā-; accusative plural paśv/as-or ś/ūn-) cattle, kine (originally "any tethered animal";singly or collect. "a herd"), a domestic or sacrificial animal (as opp. to mṛga-,"wild animal"; 5 kinds are enumerated,"men, kine, horses, goats and sheep"[ ] , to which are sometimes added mules arid *****[ vi, 155 etc.] or camels and dogs[ commentator or commentary ]) etc. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...od-s-Own-Country-Kerala&p=9261274#post9261274
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Own-Country-Kerala/page2#aSqq77pLru65kvH8.99


http://sanskritdictionary.com/?q=pa%C5%9Bubhi%E1%B8%A5

So there is some credibility regarding claaims that cattle slaughter was very common in pre-vedic and vedic times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India#Ancient_India

The cow has been a symbol of wealth in India since ancient times.[26] However, they were neither inviolable nor revered in the same way today.[27][28][29] In the Vedic period cows, buffaloes and bulls were frequently slaughtered, both for consumption and in sacrifices. Cattle slaughter and beef eating began to be disfavoured by lawgivers from the middle of the first millennium. The cow was possibly revered because Hindus relied heavily on it for dairy products and for tilling the fields, and on cow dung as a source of fuel and fertilizer. Thus, the cow’s status as a "caretaker" led to identifying it as an almost maternal figure (hence the term gau mata (mother cow)). Buddha pointed out that ritualistic practices like animal sacrifices are not good. This became one of the core preachings of Buddhism, which was later adopted by Hinduism.[30][31][32] Jainism also played a role in cow protection idea in Hinduism.[33] - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...od-s-Own-Country-Kerala&p=9261274#post9261274
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Own-Country-Kerala/page2#aSqq77pLru65kvH8.99



7. Given that revisionist movements like Arya samaj (which tried to reinvigorate Hindu beliefs and customs and revive hinduism in the north), were absent in Kerala, the elevation of the Cow as one of the most sacred pillars of modern hinduism never really happened here.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's the work of some desperate online warriors. Keralites always knew we'd be alone in this . Tamil people are very sensitive about these things so there would be reactions from both sides of the extremes here .

Tamil Nadu has a significant beef eating Hindu population, mainly dalits and certain OBC communities. But due to the predominant position of agriculture in the social consciousness I don't think people will accept it in public.

Agreed..the anti national aspirations of a section of keralites will not be supported by Tamil, Kannadiga and Telugu brothers. I am glad that the true face of some ingrate traitors was exposed in Kerala. Need to be dealt with an iron hand..as kerala is becoming a hotbed of extremism and is a threat to not only india, but the world. Of course, this is not to generalize, but refers only to the section of keralites who have become extremists because of commie and saudi influence.

 

[pillionrider]

Whatever.

Alcohol and beef cutlets is what I want and that's what I shall eat.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Whatever.

Alcohol and beef cutlets is what I want and that's what I shall eat.

Great example of the priorities of the current free thinkers in India. All they care about is the steak on their plate. Anything that controls it calls for a great agitation. But they dont react the same for little issues like farmer suicides, tribal land acquisition, environment, crony capitalism.. as long as they get their well done steak on the porcelain plates in AC rooms, all is well with the world.

 

[Adil_94]

you cant really justify beef ban if u want to be secular.

That being said Indian secularism isnt really secularism ita just communal appeasal.

Everyone should be governed by the same laws.

having a beef ban and allowing polygamy and under age marriage just for Muslims is a joke and it it does is allow regressive practices and inequality to carry on unchallenged.

 

[Justcrazy]

I eat beef because i find it tastier then other meats. I dont eat jt due to price.

Yes , I know some people ( very less though ) who like beef more than Mutton.

 

[pillionrider]

Great example of the priorities of the current free thinkers in India. All they care about is the steak on their plate. Anything that controls it calls for a great agitation. But they dont react the same for little issues like farmer suicides, tribal land acquisition, environment, crony capitalism.. as long as they get their well done steak on the porcelain plates in AC rooms, all is well with the world.

Good to see that marriage (if indeed real and not virtual) hasn't tempered your keyboard.

Try red wine and beef. It's the best. It will take your mind off being a keyboard warrior.

 

[Abdullah719]

Assam BJP Leader Protests, Says No Beef For Tigers At Guwahati Zoo

Guwahati: Hardline Assam BJP leader Satya Ranjan Borah has a problem with serving beef - not just to people, but also to carnivorous animals in zoos, specifically tigers.
On Monday a small group of protesters led by Mr Borah - claiming to be anti-beef activists - attempted to block the main gate at Guwahati Zoo as vehicles carrying beef for tigers were trying to pass. Zoo authorities managed to disperse them with help from the police, official sources said.

The protesters shouted slogans demanding a carpet ban on cow slaughter.

“In Hindu society we give importance to protection of cow, but it is the staple food for carnivores in the zoo and part of government supply. Our objection is - why serve beef? Why not other meat?” Mr Borah asked reporters.

The BJP leader then offered a “solution”.

“The zoo’s sambar deer population is so much that the males have to be kept separately (to slow down breeding). The zoo can achieve self-sufficiency if sambar deer meat is used to feed the carnivores,” he declared.

“The vehicles carrying meat were stopped briefly by miscreants. We called the police to disperse them. Food for carnivores is recommended by the Central Zoo Authority. As per the law we cannot give the meat of zoo animals to the carnivores. Also, sambar deer is a wild animal and we cannot kill wild animals,” Tejas Mariswamy, Divisional Forest Officer, under whom jurisdiction of the zoo falls, said.

Incidentally, sambar deer are listed as “vulnerable” by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and are protected under Schedule-III of the Wildlife (Protection) Act, 1972.

Later Assam Forest Minister Parimal Suklabaidya said the animals were fed beef as it was “essential” for their nutrition. He said that some states opted to feed carnivores buffalo meat but since Assam does not have that stock, beef was given as per the centre’s guideline.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ass...ys-no-beef-for-tigers-at-guwahati-zoo-2309177

 

[Lurker_Ind]

There should be no ban on what anyone eats for his lunch or dinner. It is utterly stupid to ban cow meat. If you do not want to eat cow and consider it as your mother, then do it for yourself. Do not force anyone to follow your ideas.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Assam BJP Leader Protests, Says No Beef For Tigers At Guwahati Zoo

Guwahati: Hardline Assam BJP leader Satya Ranjan Borah has a problem with serving beef - not just to people, but also to carnivorous animals in zoos, specifically tigers.
On Monday a small group of protesters led by Mr Borah - claiming to be anti-beef activists - attempted to block the main gate at Guwahati Zoo as vehicles carrying beef for tigers were trying to pass. Zoo authorities managed to disperse them with help from the police, official sources said.

The protesters shouted slogans demanding a carpet ban on cow slaughter.

“In Hindu society we give importance to protection of cow, but it is the staple food for carnivores in the zoo and part of government supply. Our objection is - why serve beef? Why not other meat?” Mr Borah asked reporters.

The BJP leader then offered a “solution”.

“The zoo’s sambar deer population is so much that the males have to be kept separately (to slow down breeding). The zoo can achieve self-sufficiency if sambar deer meat is used to feed the carnivores,” he declared.

“The vehicles carrying meat were stopped briefly by miscreants. We called the police to disperse them. Food for carnivores is recommended by the Central Zoo Authority. As per the law we cannot give the meat of zoo animals to the carnivores. Also, sambar deer is a wild animal and we cannot kill wild animals,” Tejas Mariswamy, Divisional Forest Officer, under whom jurisdiction of the zoo falls, said.

Incidentally, sambar deer are listed as “vulnerable” by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and are protected under Schedule-III of the Wildlife (Protection) Act, 1972.

Later Assam Forest Minister Parimal Suklabaidya said the animals were fed beef as it was “essential” for their nutrition. He said that some states opted to feed carnivores buffalo meat but since Assam does not have that stock, beef was given as per the centre’s guideline.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ass...ys-no-beef-for-tigers-at-guwahati-zoo-2309177

I hope they do not start killing Tigers for consuming cow meat.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I hope they do not start killing Tigers for consuming cow meat.

tigers can survive on poultry, with mutton every sunday.

 

[Bigboii]

tigers can survive on poultry, with mutton every sunday.

add pickle achaar and eggs for breakfast

 

[Slog]

Whatever.

Alcohol and beef cutlets is what I want and that's what I shall eat.

Just make sure you don’t ‘look muslim’ lol

 

[Bigboii]

My bad [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] I thought tigers couldn't eat chicken for some reason

looked around of course I was wrong

 

[gani999]

I have heard that The Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) himself was against cow slaughter and actually proclaimed it as such. Cows aren't slaughtered in Saudi Arabia and many other muslim countries during eid-al-adha to this day. Can anyone confirm?

 

[MP2011]

Assam BJP Leader Protests, Says No Beef For Tigers At Guwahati Zoo

Guwahati: Hardline Assam BJP leader Satya Ranjan Borah has a problem with serving beef - not just to people, but also to carnivorous animals in zoos, specifically tigers.
On Monday a small group of protesters led by Mr Borah - claiming to be anti-beef activists - attempted to block the main gate at Guwahati Zoo as vehicles carrying beef for tigers were trying to pass. Zoo authorities managed to disperse them with help from the police, official sources said.

The protesters shouted slogans demanding a carpet ban on cow slaughter.

“In Hindu society we give importance to protection of cow, but it is the staple food for carnivores in the zoo and part of government supply. Our objection is - why serve beef? Why not other meat?” Mr Borah asked reporters.

The BJP leader then offered a “solution”.

“The zoo’s sambar deer population is so much that the males have to be kept separately (to slow down breeding). The zoo can achieve self-sufficiency if sambar deer meat is used to feed the carnivores,” he declared.

“The vehicles carrying meat were stopped briefly by miscreants. We called the police to disperse them. Food for carnivores is recommended by the Central Zoo Authority. As per the law we cannot give the meat of zoo animals to the carnivores. Also, sambar deer is a wild animal and we cannot kill wild animals,” Tejas Mariswamy, Divisional Forest Officer, under whom jurisdiction of the zoo falls, said.

Incidentally, sambar deer are listed as “vulnerable” by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) and are protected under Schedule-III of the Wildlife (Protection) Act, 1972.

Later Assam Forest Minister Parimal Suklabaidya said the animals were fed beef as it was “essential” for their nutrition. He said that some states opted to feed carnivores buffalo meat but since Assam does not have that stock, beef was given as per the centre’s guideline.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ass...ys-no-beef-for-tigers-at-guwahati-zoo-2309177

lol, so even Tigers can't eat what they want.

 

[Ismailtoca]

I have heard that The Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) himself was against cow slaughter and actually proclaimed it as such. Cows aren't slaughtered in Saudi Arabia and many other muslim countries during eid-al-adha to this day. Can anyone confirm?

Thats an incorrect statement.

 

[Local.Dada]

Question to Pakistanis though, is eating cow mandatory in Islam? I know goat is because of Bakra-Eid. Sometimes I feel the subcontinent Muslims go out of their way to eat beef as a way to diss Hinduism or a way to disown their Hindu roots. For example in most Middle Eastern restaurants I see beef dishes but it is usually just 1 standalone dish but usually the cuisine is more focused on chicken and lamb.

Anyways I have no problem if someone eats steak/beef but how difficult it is to respect the other people’s sentiments.

I personally have seen people not drinking alcohol in front of religious Muslims or Hindus or not eating meat in front of someone who is a vegetarian and is uncomfortable. What’s the big deal? It’s not essential to your survival or neither it is religiously mandated.

In some Hindu cultures People eat beef like North East,Kerala and Bengal and in some they don’t, if someone wants it so bad they can travel and enjoy the cuisine no different from trying exotic cuisines elsewhere.

Tbh I see only subcontinent muslims make a big deal about beef.

 

[Bigboii]

I have heard that The Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) himself was against cow slaughter and actually proclaimed it as such. Cows aren't slaughtered in Saudi Arabia and many other muslim countries during eid-al-adha to this day. Can anyone confirm?

I have heard something along these lines but I cannot confirm this statement

but there is some truth to what you are saying [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] would know something about this

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

lol, so even Tigers can't eat what they want.

I suppose the reasoning would be that the cow doesn't become any less holy just because it's a tiger eating it.

 

[Local.Dada]

I suppose the reasoning would be that the cow doesn't become any less holy just because it's a tiger eating it.

You know that there is a deep rooted philosophical meaning as to why cow is considered holy in Indian or Hindu culture right?

Just like god/ prophet (pbuh) just didn’t randomly decide to make pig a forbidden meat.

Anyway this is the moment you claim “western” upbringing to feign ignorance.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You know that there is a deep rooted philosophical meaning as to why cow is considered holy in Indian or Hindu culture right?

Just like god/ prophet (pbuh) just didn’t randomly decide to make pig a forbidden meat.

Anyway this is the moment you claim “western” upbringing to feign ignorance.

All I said was that the cow doesn't become any less holy because it's a tiger eating it. Was there something wrong with that?

 

[sweep_shot]

I have heard something along these lines but I cannot confirm this statement

but there is some truth to what you are saying [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] would know something about this

I have heard that The Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) himself was against cow slaughter and actually proclaimed it as such. Cows aren't slaughtered in Saudi Arabia and many other muslim countries during eid-al-adha to this day. Can anyone confirm?

Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) never prohibited cow slaughter or cow meat. It is something Indians probably made it up.

Cow is not common in KSA. Camel is more mainstream there. It has nothing to do with cow prohibition.

[MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION], here is one article: https://scroll.in/article/840362/holy-cow-rss-indresh-kumar-lied-about.

Here is one verse:

[Quran 2:173] He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Source: https://quran.com/2/173.

 

[Bigboii]

Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) never prohibited cow slaughter or cow meat. It is something Indians probably made it up.

Cow is not common in KSA. Camel is more mainstream there. It has nothing to do with cow prohibition.

[MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION], here is one article: https://scroll.in/article/840362/holy-cow-rss-indresh-kumar-lied-about.

Here is one verse:




Source: https://quran.com/2/173.

oh yeah of course its halal cause than if it wasn't we won't be eating it

but what I meant was didn't prophet expressed dislike for red meat/beaf?

 

[sweep_shot]

oh yeah of course its halal cause than if it wasn't we won't be eating it

but what I meant was didn't prophet expressed dislike for red meat/beaf?

Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) used to eat meat once in a while. He (PBUH) didn't say anything specific about beef (to my knowledge).

He (PBUH) used to eat less anyway.

Here's one hadith:

Miqdam bin Madikarib said:
“I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: ‘A human being fills no worse vessel than his stomach. It is sufficient for a human being to eat a few mouthfuls to keep his spine straight. But if he must (fill it), then one third of food, one third for drink and one third for air.’”

Source: https://sunnah.com/urn/1274570.

Another hadith:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The food for two persons is sufficient for three, and the food of three persons is sufficient for four persons."

Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/70.

 

[Bigboii]

Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) used to eat meat once in a while. He (PBUH) didn't say anything specific about beef (to my knowledge).

He (PBUH) used to eat less anyway.

Here's one hadith:



Source: https://sunnah.com/urn/1274570.

Another hadith:



Source: https://sunnah.com/bukhari/70.

Oh ok fair enough than I must be mixing things

 

[OMB]

Indian police register case against Muslim man beaten up by 'cow vigilantes'

A Muslim man carrying buffalo meat was physically assaulted in an Indian state by a group of men. However, in a bizarre turn of events, police have registered a case against the victim, NDTV reports.

According to the news report, Mohammed Shakir was beaten up on Sunday afternoon in Uttar Pradesh's Moradabad district by a group led by a man who called himself a "cow vigilante".

Video footage of the incident showed Shakir surrounded by a group and a man identified as Manoj Thakur, who allegedly led the assault. Thakur beat the victim with a stick till he fell to the ground. In a longer video of the incident, Shakir is restrained by the men as he pleads to be released.

While police registered a case against the attackers on the complaint of the victim's brother, they also — of their own volition — registered a separate case against the victim.

"The counter case lists charges relating to 'mischief by killing an animal', 'committing an act likely to spread infection', and 'violation of Covid lockdown guidelines'," the NDTV report said.

A senior police official posted in the area told the publication that Shakir had been arrested but not jailed as the charges against him were "bailable". The victim's family also confirmed to the publication that Shakir was recovering at home.

Meanwhile, Moradabad police said that four people had been arrested while two others were on the run. The report stated that Thakur — the man who led the assault — had not yet been arrested.

"We received a video of a meat seller being beaten up and we have filed a case. There are five to six accused who have been named. We are carrying out searches and will arrest them soon," Prabhakar Chaudhary, the Moradabad police chief, said in a statement.

In the police complaint, Shakir's brother alleged that the victim was intercepted by Thakur and his associates while carrying 50kg of buffalo meat. The FIR stated that the suspects demanded 50,000 Indian rupees and then beat him up. They also threatened him against going to the police, the report said.

Meanwhile, Thakur has issued a statement in his defence.

"We tried to stop this man but he hit us with his vehicle. Using two lathis (sticks) to hit a man is a crime but trying to kill someone isn't? I am trying to stop cow slaughter but the police are now threatening me. Let the administration give me a police team [...] I will expose this racket," he said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1625435/indian-police-register-case-against-muslim-man-beaten-up-by-cow-vigilantes