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Question to meat eaters: Why do you do it?

This thread is not meant to offend meat eaters or hurt anyone's religious sentiments and i hope people will cooperate in giving honest answers and keep it strictly personal instead of speaking on behalf of the different communities they represent. I request mods to deal strictly with anyone who tries to turn it into an India-Pakistan or hindu-muslim hate thread.

I am asking you at a personal level. Why do you eat meat? You know well where it comes from. An animal, usually domestic, is killed to serve meat to your plate.

An animal,
that means you no harm,
that does not wish to die, least of all by a chop or electrical shock,

... at a time when you have ample veg options to satisfy your hunger.





Your arguments generally are:
- Because its tasty
- Because its healthy
- Because its fun
- Because food chain
- Because its economy
- Because population control
- Because we're humans and we're meant to eat'em


1) Taste
Your sense of taste is greater than the life of an animal and all the suffering it goes through because you need tasty food?

2) Healthy
You can get your proteins, carbohydrates and vitamins from veg foods as well. Once again, something that could be easily substituted. Its not above life and doesn't warrant suffering of a fellow species

3) Food chain
Fellow human, you're not in jungle anymore, actually since a few millenniums. Please update your clock.

4) Fun
Robbery, rape, riots is fun too for many. Your amusement does not justify another's suffering

5) Economy
World economy will not collapse if you stop killing animals for food.

6) Population control
They wouldn't be born if you stopped eating meat.

7) Humans are meant to eat them
Of all the things humans were meant to do..... :facepalm:







Please, give up eating meat. You wanna make a change, you wanna save lives. Every time you refuse to eat a chicken burger, you're saving one. Give these poor little animals a break. They do not deserve this.

Many years from now, future generations will hang their heads in shame thinking about us eating meat when we had a choice.

The question should be, why you are not eating meat?

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Hope you are ok with that aspect when Chefs serves' horse,dogs,cats,monkeys,chimps,elephants as well?

Elephants? - No as they're endangered and also extremely intelligent. They require hundreds of miles of territory too so even keeping them in a field or something would be detrimental to them.
Horse - feel bad on this one as they used to play a pivotal role in transport etc but I'm OK with it, hell when I visited friends in Parma Italy they made me taste it lol. Wouldnt purchase it myself. But like cows etc, give them a reasonable length of life outside and a dignified end and I can live with it.
Dogs - No. I realise I'm being biased here but I cannot bring myself to even think of dogs this way. Mans best friend for a reason and I'd leave any restaurant that served it. Again I admit this is my bias. But dogs and cats IMO are companions, and even in dog eating countries people have them as pets. couldnt ever hurt one and I'll be honest I'd be disgusted if anyone ate one in front of me.

Monkeys and chimps errr no because like elephants they are endangered and also incredibly intelligent beings, the "farming" of which would be extremely detrimental to their life even before slaughter as like the elephant they tend to require lots of space to live.

Fact is animals like cows, chickens, sheep etc are perfectly content once they're outside. I live surrounded by fields and they're happy just lounging around eating grass etc. They have no desire to leave, explore and so on like elephants or monkeys do, so the idea of farming them isnt so cruel IMO once as I said they have a painless end. Maybe the only reason they're like this is because they've been domesticated but, I dont know.

However I'm man enough to admit my logic is flawed/conditioned say what you will, and that I DEFINITELY place some animals such as dogs on a much much higher pedestal than I do hens or chickens. But isnt everybody guilty of this? How many ultra vegans or vegetarians care if they kill a spider that wanders into their home, or step on a bug? Everybody values the lives of animals or insects differently, I've realised the idea of eating meat, while not being an issue for me, to be slightly less OK than I did prior, hence why I'm trying to reduce the amount I eat, without cutting it out entirely. And in Ireland unlike other countries virtually 80% of our land is agricultural, so I know the meat I eat came from an animal that had an actual life and wasnt encaged.

I also no longer eat lamb as its from a "child" animal, even though I gotta admit its goddamn delicious.
 
Elephants? - No as they're endangered and also extremely intelligent. They require hundreds of miles of territory too so even keeping them in a field or something would be detrimental to them.
Horse - feel bad on this one as they used to play a pivotal role in transport etc but I'm OK with it, hell when I visited friends in Parma Italy they made me taste it lol. Wouldnt purchase it myself. But like cows etc, give them a reasonable length of life outside and a dignified end and I can live with it.
Dogs - No. I realise I'm being biased here but I cannot bring myself to even think of dogs this way. Mans best friend for a reason and I'd leave any restaurant that served it. Again I admit this is my bias. But dogs and cats IMO are companions, and even in dog eating countries people have them as pets. couldnt ever hurt one and I'll be honest I'd be disgusted if anyone ate one in front of me.

Monkeys and chimps errr no because like elephants they are endangered and also incredibly intelligent beings, the "farming" of which would be extremely detrimental to their life even before slaughter as like the elephant they tend to require lots of space to live.

Fact is animals like cows, chickens, sheep etc are perfectly content once they're outside. I live surrounded by fields and they're happy just lounging around eating grass etc. They have no desire to leave, explore and so on like elephants or monkeys do, so the idea of farming them isnt so cruel IMO once as I said they have a painless end. Maybe the only reason they're like this is because they've been domesticated but, I dont know.

However I'm man enough to admit my logic is flawed/conditioned say what you will, and that I DEFINITELY place some animals such as dogs on a much much higher pedestal than I do hens or chickens. But isnt everybody guilty of this? How many ultra vegans or vegetarians care if they kill a spider that wanders into their home, or step on a bug? Everybody values the lives of animals or insects differently, I've realised the idea of eating meat, while not being an issue for me, to be slightly less OK than I did prior, hence why I'm trying to reduce the amount I eat, without cutting it out entirely. And in Ireland unlike other countries virtually 80% of our land is agricultural, so I know the meat I eat came from an animal that had an actual life and wasnt encaged.

I also no longer eat lamb as its from a "child" animal, even though I gotta admit its goddamn delicious.

If there is no threat to oneself ,there is no point in hurting the animal,glad that animals aren't cages in Ireland,but don't Irish eat meat for pleasure?

Also Pigs and goats are pretty smart as well,just because an animal is domesticated doesn't mean its dumb,dogs are domesticated as well.

On insects again unless they are threatening to humans ideally should be left alone for example Jains form Jainism religion follow exactly that.
 
The truth about farming and humane killing.......


DAIRY COWS

Natural lifespan: 20 years
Factory-farmed lifespan: 5-6 years, by which time most are exhausted from the baby and milk drain. Only 25 per cent get to seven, when their milk would be at its richest.
Natural diet: Grass and natural herbs
Farmed diet: Grass, silage, cemented grass, manure, recycled cattle faeces, contaminated sheep offal.
Natural habitat: Grassy fields.
Unnatural habitat: Out in summer, but concrete cubicles with slatted floors in winter.
Natural behavior: Grazing, sleeping, ruminating.
Confined behavior: Distressed at not being able to ruminate, they take to bar biting. Suffer mastitis, and are lame. Unable to suckle young because already being milked for humans.


MALE CALF (for VEAL)

Natural lifespan: 20 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: 3 to 16 weeks.
Natural diet: Grass and milk.
Farmed diet: Fed exclusively on milk to induce anemia and produce sought after white meat. Deprived of essential iron and fiber.
Natural habitat: Grassy fields.
Unnatural habitat: At one week, confined to crates too cramped to turn in. Sent abroad, often without food and water, in lorries so tightly packed they can't lie down.
Natural behavior: Feeding, sleeping, ruminating.
Confined behavior: Try to move but can't. Desperate for solids, they lick wooden crates and swallow their own hair.


SHEEP

Natural lifespan: 12 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: Three months for lambs.
Natural diet: Grass and natural herbs.
Farmed diet: Same when out in the open, pelleted foods when indoors.
Natural habitat: High ground.
Unnatural habitat: We allow them their high ground because it's cost-effective (the grass is poor)
Natural behavior: Grazing.
Confined behavior: Drugs used to squeeze in three lambings every two years. Sex hormones used to synchronize births. Lambs should be born in spring, but now born out of season and many freeze to death.


CHICKENS

Natural lifespan: Seven years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: One day for male chicks of egg producing hens. They are crushed to death because we don't like taste. Six weeks for broiler chickens.
Natural diet: Mixed grains, grubs and worms.
Farmed diet: High-fat prepared foods, antibiotics and hormones to quicken fattening process.
Natural habitat: Semi-wild area where can peck food.
Unnatural habitat: Broilers live in sheds in perpetual twilight, in space equivalent to stuffing a budgie in a jam jar.
Natural behavior: Pecking for food, freedom to move around, dust bathing.
Confined behavior: Broilers can't stretch wings, no room to make nest, can't peck for food. Stressed, they peck each others feathers out and resort to cannibalism, so are de-beaked to protect farmer's stock.


PIGS

Natural lifespan: 15 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: 5-6 months
Natural diet: Omnivorous: tubers and roots using snouts
Farmed diet: Pellets of processed foods.
Natural habitat: Border of woodland. Pigs build 1-metre high nest to give birth.
Unnatural habitat: Most pigs never see trees, let alone grass. They give birth in a farrowing crate in which they can't turn round and keep hitting the metal bars.
Natural behavior: Rooting for food, keen on cleanliness.
Confined behaviour: Depressed, they become unclean, frustrated at being unable to root for food and exercise they bite off tails and resort to cannibalism.
 
The truth about farming and humane killing.......


DAIRY COWS

Natural lifespan: 20 years
Factory-farmed lifespan: 5-6 years, by which time most are exhausted from the baby and milk drain. Only 25 per cent get to seven, when their milk would be at its richest.
Natural diet: Grass and natural herbs
Farmed diet: Grass, silage, cemented grass, manure, recycled cattle faeces, contaminated sheep offal.
Natural habitat: Grassy fields.
Unnatural habitat: Out in summer, but concrete cubicles with slatted floors in winter.
Natural behavior: Grazing, sleeping, ruminating.
Confined behavior: Distressed at not being able to ruminate, they take to bar biting. Suffer mastitis, and are lame. Unable to suckle young because already being milked for humans.


MALE CALF (for VEAL)

Natural lifespan: 20 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: 3 to 16 weeks.
Natural diet: Grass and milk.
Farmed diet: Fed exclusively on milk to induce anemia and produce sought after white meat. Deprived of essential iron and fiber.
Natural habitat: Grassy fields.
Unnatural habitat: At one week, confined to crates too cramped to turn in. Sent abroad, often without food and water, in lorries so tightly packed they can't lie down.
Natural behavior: Feeding, sleeping, ruminating.
Confined behavior: Try to move but can't. Desperate for solids, they lick wooden crates and swallow their own hair.


SHEEP

Natural lifespan: 12 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: Three months for lambs.
Natural diet: Grass and natural herbs.
Farmed diet: Same when out in the open, pelleted foods when indoors.
Natural habitat: High ground.
Unnatural habitat: We allow them their high ground because it's cost-effective (the grass is poor)
Natural behavior: Grazing.
Confined behavior: Drugs used to squeeze in three lambings every two years. Sex hormones used to synchronize births. Lambs should be born in spring, but now born out of season and many freeze to death.


CHICKENS

Natural lifespan: Seven years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: One day for male chicks of egg producing hens. They are crushed to death because we don't like taste. Six weeks for broiler chickens.
Natural diet: Mixed grains, grubs and worms.
Farmed diet: High-fat prepared foods, antibiotics and hormones to quicken fattening process.
Natural habitat: Semi-wild area where can peck food.
Unnatural habitat: Broilers live in sheds in perpetual twilight, in space equivalent to stuffing a budgie in a jam jar.
Natural behavior: Pecking for food, freedom to move around, dust bathing.
Confined behavior: Broilers can't stretch wings, no room to make nest, can't peck for food. Stressed, they peck each others feathers out and resort to cannibalism, so are de-beaked to protect farmer's stock.


PIGS

Natural lifespan: 15 years.
Factory-farmed lifespan: 5-6 months
Natural diet: Omnivorous: tubers and roots using snouts
Farmed diet: Pellets of processed foods.
Natural habitat: Border of woodland. Pigs build 1-metre high nest to give birth.
Unnatural habitat: Most pigs never see trees, let alone grass. They give birth in a farrowing crate in which they can't turn round and keep hitting the metal bars.
Natural behavior: Rooting for food, keen on cleanliness.
Confined behaviour: Depressed, they become unclean, frustrated at being unable to root for food and exercise they bite off tails and resort to cannibalism.

Thanks for the wonderful post, hopefully meat eating is seen as disgusting 100 years from now as slavery is seen now.
 
Thanks for the wonderful post, hopefully meat eating is seen as disgusting 100 years from now as slavery is seen now.

Meat Eating will always continue, atleast in Islamic World where people are not going to feel guilty over silly things or whining of the Vegans/Liberals.
 
Meat eaters should be asking vegans this question. Not the other way around
 
Meat Eating will always continue, atleast in Islamic World where people are not going to feel guilty over silly things or whining of the Vegans/Liberals.

Glad that part of the world has other silly things to worry about.
 
Meat Eating will always continue, atleast in Islamic World where people are not going to feel guilty over silly things or whining of the Vegans/Liberals.

I don’t think what is happening to animals is “silly things”. Each to their own.
 
While I never will give up meat entirely I have began to think about the arguments for vegetarianism more and have decided to actually eat more vegetarian meals and therefore less meat, without cutting it out entirely.

Dont have an issue with eating meat once, as it is here, the animal has had a good quality of life outdoors and is humanely killed, not like in parts of the US where animals spend their lives in factory boxes.

Every little step made in the right direction counts as progress.
 
If I was born a rabbit, I definitely would have been vegan
 
The food chain argument that we're not in the jungle anymore is quite stupid. The food chain has and will always exist. The proof lies in how every organism has evolved over the millenias. The carnivores will feast on the herbivores who in turn will eat plants. Some people also say that plants react to stimuli and can actually feel so once we start down this slippery slope of confused human sensitivity, it will never end.

I would like some of the rabbits in the thread to react to this...
 
^

I don't know if plants feel pain but they will probably shoot themselves if they could hear dishonest arguments like these. Nature is beautiful, its design is complex and clever. You wouldn't truly imagine an evolutionary process as spectacular as this would ever let anyone being vulnerable to pain and grief remain static and helpless. That you could do whatever you could do to them while they are stuck in the ground. If people truly believe in God and are sincere thinkers and well wishers of living beings i would really question their judgement and belief system in a design where such incredibly helpful beings are left stuck in ground to suffer pain for eternity.


But of course, these sort of lame excuses are never a result of a sincere thought process but of a dishonest and corrupt mind that is looking for excuses to not take responsibility and take stand for the right.
 

tbf thats the UK, a much more populous nation.

Wont say it isnt in existence here, probably are some, particularly chicken farms, but as my uncle is a farmer I know the overwhelming majority of farmers here just use the soil itself and in winter cattle feed (the pellety things). Thing that makes Ireland unique is there are countless countless medium small size farms unlike most places.

May I ask what explicitly made you make the switch. Did you like myself kinda start cutting meat out and then switch or just switch entirely one day?
 
tbf thats the UK, a much more populous nation.

Wont say it isnt in existence here, probably are some, particularly chicken farms, but as my uncle is a farmer I know the overwhelming majority of farmers here just use the soil itself and in winter cattle feed (the pellety things). Thing that makes Ireland unique is there are countless countless medium small size farms unlike most places.

May I ask what explicitly made you make the switch. Did you like myself kinda start cutting meat out and then switch or just switch entirely one day?

I guess my point was that nowhere is truly better than anywhere else when the end result is the same.

The mass production lines are undoubtedly the most strikingly dreadful in the US. But animal husbandry everywhere is about raising innocent creatures in a preordained and often cruel manner so they can grow obese and miserable, becoming stupefied to the point where they can be easily slaughtered and processed at a specific time for maximum yield, at an age far younger than they would have otherwise died.

No doubt that bacon tastes amazing in the morning, a cheeseburger is a beautiful thing at lunchtime, and a medium-rare ribeye steak is to die for after dark. Nonetheless every time we enjoy one of these meals it is the sad case that to make it happen an animal had to perish, possibly in severe pain and screaming for mercy or help.

In answer to your question, I switched for the animals. My vegetarianism was very gradual and very hard. Great ethical decision in the end though and I am way healthier to boot.
 
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I guess my point was that nowhere is truly better than anywhere else when the end result is the same.

The mass production lines are undoubtedly the most strikingly dreadful in the US. But animal husbandry everywhere is about raising innocent creatures in a preordained and often cruel manner so they can grow obese and miserable, becoming stupefied to the point where they can be easily slaughtered and processed at a specific time for maximum yield, at an age far younger than they would have otherwise died.

No doubt that bacon tastes amazing in the morning, a cheeseburger is a beautiful thing at lunchtime, and a medium-rare ribeye steak is to die for after dark. Nonetheless every time we enjoy one of these meals it is the sad case that to make it happen an animal had to perish, possibly in severe pain and screaming for mercy or help.

In answer to your question, I switched for the animals. My vegetarianism was very gradual and very hard. Great ethical decision in the end though and I am way healthier to boot.

I dont see myself ever giving up entirely, but I do think I will reach a stage where I eat meat less and less.

Honestly its kinda mad. 12 months ago I'd never even eaten a vegetarian dinner. Visited a hindu friend og mine in Netherlands and didnt eat meat during the 4 days os so and I kinda clicked then I didnt necessarily need meat daily to enjoy food.

My Resolution anyway, normally dont believe in that crap lol, was to eat more veggie stuff, and to give up meat (but not fish) for Lent just to challenge myself.

Will see how it goes.
 
This thread is not meant to offend meat eaters or hurt anyone's religious sentiments and i hope people will cooperate in giving honest answers and keep it strictly personal instead of speaking on behalf of the different communities they represent. I request mods to deal strictly with anyone who tries to turn it into an India-Pakistan or hindu-muslim hate thread.

I am asking you at a personal level. Why do you eat meat? You know well where it comes from. An animal, usually domestic, is killed to serve meat to your plate.

An animal,
that means you no harm,
that does not wish to die, least of all by a chop or electrical shock,

... at a time when you have ample veg options to satisfy your hunger.





Your arguments generally are:
- Because its tasty
- Because its healthy
- Because its fun
- Because food chain
- Because its economy
- Because population control
- Because we're humans and we're meant to eat'em


1) Taste
Your sense of taste is greater than the life of an animal and all the suffering it goes through because you need tasty food?

2) Healthy
You can get your proteins, carbohydrates and vitamins from veg foods as well. Once again, something that could be easily substituted. Its not above life and doesn't warrant suffering of a fellow species

3) Food chain
Fellow human, you're not in jungle anymore, actually since a few millenniums. Please update your clock.

4) Fun
Robbery, rape, riots is fun too for many. Your amusement does not justify another's suffering

5) Economy
World economy will not collapse if you stop killing animals for food.

6) Population control
They wouldn't be born if you stopped eating meat.

7) Humans are meant to eat them
Of all the things humans were meant to do..... :facepalm:







Please, give up eating meat. You wanna make a change, you wanna save lives. Every time you refuse to eat a chicken burger, you're saving one. Give these poor little animals a break. They do not deserve this.

Many years from now, future generations will hang their heads in shame thinking about us eating meat when we had a choice.

The question should be, why you are not eating meat?

According to Guru Nanak Dev ji., only fools argue over meat vs. non-meat.

A living thing needs to eat another living thing. Water is living with organisms so is tomato, peas, wheat along with chicken, goat, and fish they are all living and you as a living thing must eat living thing otherwise you will die. Now eating too much or too little is where Guru Nanak draws the line., according to him you must only eat to sustain yourself and not an iota more than that.
 
According to Guru Nanak Dev ji., only fools argue over meat vs. non-meat.

A living thing needs to eat another living thing. Water is living with organisms so is tomato, peas, wheat along with chicken, goat, and fish they are all living and you as a living thing must eat living thing otherwise you will die. Now eating too much or too little is where Guru Nanak draws the line., according to him you must only eat to sustain yourself and not an iota more than that.

1. Please give reference to writings when quoting.

2, It's not about what Guru Nanak said or anyone said really. It's about what you believe in.
 
SGGS Page 1289 Full Shabad
ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥ mehlaa 1. First Mehl:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
ਗੈਂਡਾ ਮਾਰਿ ਹੋਮ ਜਗ ਕੀਏ ਦੇਵਤਿਆ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੇ ॥ ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਅੰਧੇ ਸਿਉ ਕਿਆ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਆ ਬੂਝੈ ॥

maas maas kar moorakh jhagrhay gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee jaanai. ka-un maas ka-un saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaanay.
gaiNdaa maar hom jag kee-ay dayviti-aa kee baanay. maas chhod bais nak pakrheh raatee maanas khaanay.
farh kar lokaaN no dikhlaavahi gi-aan Dhi-aan nahee soojhai. naanak anDhay si-o ki-aa kahee-ai kahai na kahi-aa boojhai.

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
 
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥ ਕ ੧੩੫੦

When the One God resides in all why do you kill the birds (SGGS, p 1350)?


ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥

The ignorant persons, instead of acquiring knowledge or meditate, fight whether to eat meat or not (SGGS, p 1289).
 
ik-oNkaar satgur parsaad.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

paatee torai maalini paatee paatee jee-o.
You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life. (SGGS, 479)
 
Quite an interesting Thread. I personally have no problems with eating it since throughout generations the superior species have conquered over the inferior ones. Its survival of the fittest. If the animals were superior in intellect than us, wouldnt they harm us? I think so.:ashwin
 
Hope you are ok with that aspect when Chefs serves' horse,dogs,cats,monkeys,chimps,elephants as well?

Don't have a problem with horses.
But dogs and cats are interactive pets and have been for a long, long time. Can't condone eating them unless in desperation.

Monkeys and Chimps are dangerous to eat, because they are too close to us and we can get prion disease from eating them. Its similar to Mad Cow disease for humans and while human cases of Kuru (the disease we get from eating animals with very similar protein structure and prion disease) is mostly found in cannibalism, its also been noted a few times from eating great apes.

Elephants, like Dolphins are a no-go zone, because they are too smart and self aware. Can't consciously eat something that is self aware unless again, in desperation.
 
My problem is not with meat eating but the gluttony and the industrial farming to meet the demands of these gluttons.
 
I can only limit my diet so much. Already requires discipline to eat at a certain caloric intake on top of that I have to give a damn about Miss Cow and Miss Chicken, I already have plenty of Misses in my life to worry about.

In this day and age people hardly care about the wellbeing of their fellow human beings, janwar toh baad ki baat hai.
 
I can only limit my diet so much. Already requires discipline to eat at a certain caloric intake on top of that I have to give a damn about Miss Cow and Miss Chicken, I already have plenty of Misses in my life to worry about.

In this day and age people hardly care about the wellbeing of their fellow human beings, janwar toh baad ki baat hai.

We should show compassion for fellow humans and other sentients alike. Makes the world a better place.
 
Don't have a problem with horses.
But dogs and cats are interactive pets and have been for a long, long time. Can't condone eating them unless in desperation.

Monkeys and Chimps are dangerous to eat, because they are too close to us and we can get prion disease from eating them. Its similar to Mad Cow disease for humans and while human cases of Kuru (the disease we get from eating animals with very similar protein structure and prion disease) is mostly found in cannibalism, its also been noted a few times from eating great apes.

Elephants, like Dolphins are a no-go zone, because they are too smart and self aware. Can't consciously eat something that is self aware unless again, in desperation.

Chickens, pigs are not self aware?

Come on dude.
 
Chickens, pigs are not self aware?

Come on dude.

Pigs actually are (and they are the only animal I eat feeling guilty of eating a self-aware being, I admit- though I only enjoy bacon, rest of Pork is ok for me, not great).

Chickens definitely are not.
Forget chicken, actually even cats are not when they are young (and some, never are). An easy way to tell self-awareness, is if they can recognize self- such as in a reflection. Most animals cannot, actually.
 
We should show compassion for fellow humans and other sentients alike. Makes the world a better place.

Disagree on sentients- we can argue plants are sentient too technically speaking ( they respond to stimuli and that's the most objective definition of sentience.If you deviate from this, a lot of bugs and not sentient.

There is nothing wrong in eating a sentient being. There is however, something wrong in eating self-aware beings.

Because self-awareness is the key to having a potential equal relationship with another being. That means 0.001% of kingdom Animalia. I do agree on moderation of meat consumption, especially in light of its contribution to global warming.

Most animals
 
Pigs actually are (and they are the only animal I eat feeling guilty of eating a self-aware being, I admit- though I only enjoy bacon, rest of Pork is ok for me, not great).

Chickens definitely are not.
Forget chicken, actually even cats are not when they are young (and some, never are). An easy way to tell self-awareness, is if they can recognize self- such as in a reflection. Most animals cannot, actually.

My dear friend can you please cite a good research article which concludes young cats and chickens are not self aware, do not feel pain, do not wish to live, do not fear danger to safety, do not show affection to their mates.
 
Disagree on sentients- we can argue plants are sentient too technically speaking ( they respond to stimuli and that's the most objective definition of sentience.If you deviate from this, a lot of bugs and not sentient.

There is nothing wrong in eating a sentient being. There is however, something wrong in eating self-aware beings.

Because self-awareness is the key to having a potential equal relationship with another being. That means 0.001% of kingdom Animalia. I do agree on moderation of meat consumption, especially in light of its contribution to global warming.

Most animals

This arguement has already been answered above brother. Please read bhaijaan’s comments.

If you truly believe plants have feelings, are self aware then why do you not stand up for Plant rights instead of using it as an excuse to justify even more cruelty?

My dear friend it makes no sense but only puts question marks on the credibility of the arguement.
 
My dear friend can you please cite a good research article which concludes young cats and chickens are not self aware, do not feel pain, do not wish to live, do not fear danger to safety, do not show affection to their mates.

Why are you tacking on 'feeling pain, wish to live, fear' etc ? Even plants show chemical reaction to injury, danger to safety, etc.

So now we shouldn't eat plants either ?
As I said, the basic test of self-awareness is self-recognition. Elephants are self-aware. So are monkeys. They can see their reflection in water and know its them. Chickens do not.
Cats fall in the spectrum where some do and some do not (which is why some cats want to fight their image in the mirror and some don't).
 
This arguement has already been answered above brother. Please read bhaijaan’s comments.

If you truly believe plants have feelings, are self aware then why do you not stand up for Plant rights instead of using it as an excuse to justify even more cruelty?

My dear friend it makes no sense but only puts question marks on the credibility of the arguement.

Because eating is cruel to what is being eaten and that is the objective reality. Unless you want to eat lab-synthesized protiens and amino acids, you are displaying cruelty towards anything you are eating.

And eating another organic being, is the order of nature, its how we've evolved, its what our bodies do.
So I have no problems with it.
 
As expected no research based reason presented.

My dear friend you lack genuineness.

Regards,
Your Bhaijaaan.
 
Vegetarians are going against the Mother NATURE:

(1) If loin kills the deer, then are the vegetarian friends going to call mother nature as "Tyrant"?
Lesson is, deer can eat grass which grows over all by the nature, but this same mother nature didn't give the ability of eating grass to the loin.

(2) If loins and other predators don't eat the grass eating animals (cows, sheep, deer, camels etc.) then a time comes when the number of cows and sheep and deer grows to such great number that there will not be ENOUGH Grass on the mother earth to feed them all.

What will be the result?

Result will be that these grass eating animals will die a very painful death of hunger.


(3) If Vegetarian Ultra Hindus get the absolute power in India, and put ABSOLUTE ban upon slaughtering of cows and sheep and chickens, then in very short period of time India will not be having enough grass to feed all these cows.
Then these cows will die of Hunger, which will be perhaps more tyrant and painful than slaughtering them.
Already there is big problem in India of such old cows who are running on the roads without anyone owning them.

Therefore, killing and eating cows is a part of NATURAL CYCLE. If Vegetarian friends deny it, then they are going against the Mother Nature.


(4) Death is always painful.

Either you die of diseases in the bed, or die of hunger and thirst, or die with a pistol shot, or slaughtered.

It may be some deaths more painful than the others, but they are always painful.


(5) Human beings are programmed as Omnivores by the Mother Nature.
Our teeth are neither like Carnivore predators nor like the herbivores, but in between them.

And also the length of our small intestine is a proof that human beings are programmed as omnivores by the mother nature.

The length of small intestine in the herbivores is 33 times of their body size (i.e. very large in order to absorb vitamins and minerals from the hard grass).

The length of small intestine in the Carnivores is only 1/3rd of their body size (i.e. very short while though it takes really short time to absorb vitamins and minerals from meat, but very poisonous stuffs are created during the digestion of meat, which should immediately come out of the body).


The length of small intestine in Human beings is 7-8 times of their body size (i.e. in between the carnivores and the herbivores). Therefore, ideal diet for Human beings is from both kingdom. And this NATURE of humans have not changed even after becoming civilized.

Our vegetarian friends are indeed making a mistake by denying this meat eating Nature of human beings, but bringing this argument that we don't live in jungle any more.
 
I eat meat because Allah Ta'ala has granted us human beings with innumerable blessings and bounties. He has made us the best of creation and made other creations subservient to us. Consider the following verses:

“Allah is the one who created the skies and the earth and sent down rain from the skies produced thereby some fruits as provision for you.”

(14:32)

“And He has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth - all from Him.”

(45:13)

“And indeed, for you in livestock is a lesson. We give you drink from that which is in their bellies, and for you in them are numerous benefits, and from them you eat.”

(23:21)

“Do they not see that We have created for them from what We have made, grazing livestock, and [then] they are their owners?And We have tamed them for them, so some of them they ride, and some of them they eat.”

(36:71-72)
 
I eat meat because Allah Ta'ala has granted us human beings with innumerable blessings and bounties. He has made us the best of creation and made other creations subservient to us. Consider the following verses:

“Allah is the one who created the skies and the earth and sent down rain from the skies produced thereby some fruits as provision for you.”

(14:32)

“And He has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth - all from Him.”

(45:13)

“And indeed, for you in livestock is a lesson. We give you drink from that which is in their bellies, and for you in them are numerous benefits, and from them you eat.”

(23:21)

“Do they not see that We have created for them from what We have made, grazing livestock, and [then] they are their owners?And We have tamed them for them, so some of them they ride, and some of them they eat.”

(36:71-72)


Please answer the vegetarian friends through Science and Mother nature, and not from Quran as it is not a scientific book. For example, Quran says that Meteors are the "Stars", and there are Castles (Arabic: Burj) in the first Sky where Angels are sitting and they aim and throw these "shooting stars" upon the Jins when they try to hear the commands of Allah.

While in reality meteors are travelling in their prescribed path for millions of years and don't deviate it and thus scientists are even able to tell that at what time and at what place they are going to land on the earth.
 
‘Eat Less Meat’ Ignores the Role of Animals in the Ecosystem
A grazier argues that this popular sentiment misses the point, and distracts us from the opportunity to adopt a diet that will restore ecosystems while nourishing people.

BY ARIEL GREENWOOD | Agroecology, Animal Welfare, Climate, Commentary
01.26.18

Given the concerns over resource-intensive industrial meat production, you’d think the resounding message would be, “don’t buy cheap meat, buy good meat.”

Instead, a rule of thumb that has emerged in environmentalists’ circles is simply “eat less meat.” This statement frames meat as an indulgence rather than 1) the end result of an essential and timeless ecological process (the biological breakdown of vegetation, which feeds the soil and removes dead grass so that new vegetation can grow) and 2) a fulcrum in the way land across the world is managed or mismanaged.

As a grazier and land manager, I’m part of a growing group of people who have committed our lives to restoring the health of environments directly, through exquisitely precise grazing on sensitive land, and who depend on the support of our communities to do this work.

“Eat less meat” is a well-intended caveat amongst woke environmentalists (a group who is, after all, my cohort) but it has also become a primary barrier to me and others like me doing our work. And it’s hard to not take that personally. Because what could be more personal than the health of my watershed and the kingdoms that inhabit it? If these things aren’t personal to you, we have a bigger problem.

Our work goes like this: We memorize every nook and cranny of a piece of land like a lover’s body. We study how water flows across it and what grasses grow where. We plant trees where we’ve seen them grow before and could grow again. We spend unpaid hours moving animals exactly where they need to go to knock down encroaching brush on long-neglected land. We fence out bird nests. We leave areas ungrazed for a season—and can calculate the cost to the tune of hundreds of dollars—because we know in our throats, our chests, our bellies, and our bones (that’s where we feel it) that it needs another season to grow before grazing would be helpful. We get knocked down, kicked, cut up and cut open; we don’t just risk injury but accept its inevitability. We memorize the names of species that used to grow or live here but have been lost. We love the land and its inhabitants so much that we’re willing to work for next to nothing.

But martyrdom isn’t very becoming, and you can’t milk a dry cow; so like everyone else, graziers have to make money. Until environmentalists actually really put their money where their mouth is and pay me and others to graze land right without meat as the chief goal, we have to sell the surplus from our herds (the flesh of some of the animals) in order to be able to afford to feed ourselves.

Believe me, I wish I were a photosynthesizing autotroph who could get my nourishment directly from the sun.

Not all grazing is created equal. This is the essence of what gets missed in discussions about the impact of livestock agriculture on our local ecosystems and global climate. Decades of mismanagement has left a tough legacy for those of us grazing with restorative goals to overcome. But when animals are managed according to nature’s schedule, beautiful changes can happen fast.

Some of the year I graze the animals in tight bunches to lay down old grass to feed the soil. Other times, I’m herding them fast across the property to stimulate grass plants to grow denser and healthier while they pump carbon deep into the soil food web. I can stop erosion around streams based on how I move these big animals, and stabilize vulnerable hillsides through careful decision-making. For me and many like me, grazing is our art form—it’s our best tool for breathing new life into neglected land.

“Eat less meat” is about mitigating damage, and it misses the opportunity to tell people that there’s a way to actually benefit their planet. Industrially produced meat is unquestionably bad for the environment, and for animals. But perpetuating the myth that all meat is the same means that the potential benefits of responsibly raised meat never get a sufficient foothold. By telling only half the story, we’re perpetuating the problem because we never bother to mention the solution.



As an aside, few environmentalists who are opposed to grazing animals and eating their flesh have demonstrated either the degree of embodied affection, personal risk, and deep practice or the knowledge of grassland dynamics, plant succession, and wildlife movement that I’ve seen among the graziers in my life. So I urge those who care about the meat industry’s impact on the environment to bring more curiosity and humility to the discussion.

When we say “eat less meat” and end it there, we miss an opportunity to equip eaters with the means of sourcing protein that will not only nourish them but restore their home ecosystems. And behind every few hundred acres of land that goes poorly managed due to consumer miseducation is a land steward who can’t do their work.

Appetite is energy. Rather than try to halt the tide of appetite for meat by discouraging its consumption outright, a better way to steward that energy would be to concentrate on where it would it can do the most good. In doing so, we’re not just improving our environment, we’re widening the demand for graziers who can produce meat and serve as ecological service providers.

So don’t “eat less meat.” Eat meat from people whose hands you can shake and whose ranches you can visit. Eat as much of that as you can afford, because that stuff comes from extensive production systems that impact hundreds and thousands of acres. Sourcing your protein from places you can account for means you can verify that their pastures are also habitat for foxes, badgers, burrowing owls, and bears—that you are keeping land wild and free. As I see it, beef raised in its environs beats a bean field any day as an ecologically just source of protein.

This type of meat isn’t cheap—and you might find that you value it differently and stop taking it for granted. The end result may very well be that far less meat is consumed overall, at least for a while. But the quantity doesn’t matter to me—what matters is what that animal did in its life on earth.

We have to pay for the world we want to live in. This means consuming the flesh of other sentient animals may damn well require a line-item on our budgets, alongside “eating out” and “entertainment.” Maybe it’s time we socialized ourselves and others to budget for environmental activism, and use that money to buy meat produced by the soil-building, grassland-loving graziers in our communities.

https://civileats.com/2018/01/26/eat-less-meat-ignores-the-role-of-animals-in-the-ecosystem/
 
I do believe that we are heading towards a meatless future especially in the western world with the breakthroughs being made in plant-based meat and the work of start-ups such as Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat. Pretty soon plant based meat will be indistinguishable in taste to meat coming from animals. 'Lab' meat will simply be more environmentally-friendly, cheaper, humane and nutritious than conventional meat and only morons will keep consuming animals. Economics will achieve what morality couldn't.
 
I do believe that we are heading towards a meatless future especially in the western world with the breakthroughs being made in plant-based meat and the work of start-ups such as Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat. Pretty soon plant based meat will be indistinguishable in taste to meat coming from animals. 'Lab' meat will simply be more environmentally-friendly, cheaper, humane and nutritious than conventional meat and only morons will keep consuming animals. Economics will achieve what morality couldn't.

No. Only morons will eat something with no understanding of long term impact on human health.

Oh and what about the soil and water? Do you think it will just magically produce everything?
 
I do believe that we are heading towards a meatless future especially in the western world with the breakthroughs being made in plant-based meat and the work of start-ups such as Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat. Pretty soon plant based meat will be indistinguishable in taste to meat coming from animals. 'Lab' meat will simply be more environmentally-friendly, cheaper, humane and nutritious than conventional meat and only morons will keep consuming animals. Economics will achieve what morality couldn't.

From what i have heard, plant based meat like what Beyond Meat makes is a joke, its an over hyped marketing scam however there is some hope for lab cell grown meat, however that is probably 20 years away.
 
I love meat. I eat chicken, beef, goat, and lamb meats.

I eat meat because it has many nutritional values. It is a great source of protein.
 
It tastes amazing :afridi

I don’t really consume much beef besides the odd steak here and there, lamb/mutton I tend to have a little more as it’s popular but chicken is the one I’d not be able to live without.

I went on a veg diet once due to lack of halal options and it was very very difficult and didn’t feel well at times.

I’ve tried some meat alternatives and they are all horrible apart from Linda’s Mozzarella Burgers
 
It tastes amazing :afridi

I don’t really consume much beef besides the odd steak here and there, lamb/mutton I tend to have a little more as it’s popular but chicken is the one I’d not be able to live without.

I went on a veg diet once due to lack of halal options and it was very very difficult and didn’t feel well at times.

I’ve tried some meat alternatives and they are all horrible apart from Linda’s Mozzarella Burgers

I tried a vegetarian diet only for 1 month in my entire life. It was a horrible experience. I actually started to have health issues; I was feeling drowsy and there was a tiny bald spot on my head.

Once I went back to eating meat, those issues disappeared.
 
I love meat. I eat chicken, beef, goat, and lamb meats.

I eat meat because it has many nutritional values. It is a great source of protein.

Grass fed rib eye steaks.
At least twice a week.

Anti inflammatory and, along with other supplements, helped re-set my immune system.
 
Grass fed rib eye steaks.
At least twice a week.

Anti inflammatory and, along with other supplements, helped re-set my immune system.

Do you buy it online or from your local butcher?

I've also found beef really beneficial for my immune system.
 
Grass fed rib eye steaks.
At least twice a week.

Anti inflammatory and, along with other supplements, helped re-set my immune system.

I love steaks. But, I don't eat it much.

I mostly eat beef shawarma and homemade beef curry. Beef burger sometimes.
 
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love meat, grilled chicken, lamb and beef, also like me some fish every now and again. tastes awesome, leaves me feeling sated, and our ancestors have eaten it for millennia so is unlikely to cause long-term health issues unless abused.

however, i am a strong proponent of non-meat diets for others, as the lower the demand for dietary meat, the cheaper it'll be for me. :inzi
 
love meat, grilled chicken, lamb and beef, also like me some fish every now and again. tastes awesome, leaves me feeling sated, and our ancestors have eaten it for millennia so is unlikely to cause long-term health issues unless abused.

however, i am a strong proponent of non-meat diets for others, as the lower the demand for dietary meat, the cheaper it'll be for me. :inzi

Balanced diet is the best diet. You need a bit of everything (meat, veggies, fish, poultry, seeds etc.).

Vegetarian or vegan diet is not balanced.
 
Balanced diet is the best diet. You need a bit of everything (meat, veggies, fish, poultry, seeds etc.).

Vegetarian or vegan diet is not balanced.

people have lived on vegetarian diets forever, there's nothing wrong with it.
 
Do you buy it online or from your local butcher?

I've also found beef really beneficial for my immune system.

Waitrose have a whole grass fed beef section.
All the courts from Ribeye, Rump to Fillet and also an on the bone sirloin.

If live in North London snd you want to treat yourself then Hampstead Butchers and the Butchers in Primrose Hill are both superb.

Of course it's not Halal and not sure if this your thing or not.

I managed to get into remission from rheumatoid arthritis three years ago by just adjusting my diet and cleaning out my gut... daily probiotics and prebiotics to feed it.
 
I never eat food based on nutritional value, guilt, trend etc.

I find that my body runs wayyyy better on meat diet, pulses/grains cause bloating flatulence, plants/veggies are full of toxins, fruits are filled with sucrose and are so unhealthy, today's genetically modified fruits are not the same as one's produced centuries or even decades ago. A glass of juice contains 40g of sugar, 3-4 orange worth of calories and no fibre.

I feel more energized on a keto diet, carbs make me slow.

Dietery cholesterol =/= body cholesterol.

Since these plant based refined oils started, heart diseases are through the roof.

Eat meat, stick to milk based fats, eat nuts and eggs.

Higher salt consumption countries like Korea (kimchi) have least heart problems, scientists have been wrong on this as well.
 
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I never eat food based on nutritional value, guilt, trend etc.

I find that my body runs wayyyy better on meat diet, pulses/grains cause bloating flatulence, plants/veggies are full of toxins, fruits are filled with sucrose and are so unhealthy, today's genetically modified fruits are not the same as one's produced centuries or even decades ago. A glass of juice contains 40g of sugar, 3-4 orange worth of calories and no fibre.

I feel more energized on a keto diet, carbs make me slow.

Dietery cholesterol =/= body cholesterol.

Since these plant based refined oils started, heart diseases are through the roof.

Eat meat, stick to milk based fats, eat nuts and eggs.

Higher salt consumption countries like Korea (kimchi) have least heart problems, scientists have been wrong on this as well.

Nice!
Kimchi and fermented veg is amazing for you.
 
Love a nice medium beef burger with bacon. I put bacon in everything now that I am on bulk.
 
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Interesting to revisit this thread after so long. I think it might be interesting to revisit and ask why would you not eat meat?

I know what my answer would be, but is there a specific reason?
 
Idealism does not work

Ideally we should not be eating anything living because that is destroying another life but practically it is not possible. Both Plants and animals are living and plant alone diet has it’s limitations. The question being asked does not apply in the real world.
 
This thread is not meant to offend meat eaters or hurt anyone's religious sentiments and i hope people will cooperate in giving honest answers and keep it strictly personal instead of speaking on behalf of the different communities they represent. I request mods to deal strictly with anyone who tries to turn it into an India-Pakistan or hindu-muslim hate thread.

I am asking you at a personal level. Why do you eat meat? You know well where it comes from. An animal, usually domestic, is killed to serve meat to your plate.

An animal,
that means you no harm,
that does not wish to die, least of all by a chop or electrical shock,

... at a time when you have ample veg options to satisfy your hunger.





Your arguments generally are:
- Because its tasty
- Because its healthy
- Because its fun
- Because food chain
- Because its economy
- Because population control
- Because we're humans and we're meant to eat'em


1) Taste
Your sense of taste is greater than the life of an animal and all the suffering it goes through because you need tasty food?

2) Healthy
You can get your proteins, carbohydrates and vitamins from veg foods as well. Once again, something that could be easily substituted. Its not above life and doesn't warrant suffering of a fellow species

3) Food chain
Fellow human, you're not in jungle anymore, actually since a few millenniums. Please update your clock.

4) Fun
Robbery, rape, riots is fun too for many. Your amusement does not justify another's suffering

5) Economy
World economy will not collapse if you stop killing animals for food.

6) Population control
They wouldn't be born if you stopped eating meat.

7) Humans are meant to eat them
Of all the things humans were meant to do..... :facepalm:







Please, give up eating meat. You wanna make a change, you wanna save lives. Every time you refuse to eat a chicken burger, you're saving one. Give these poor little animals a break. They do not deserve this.

Many years from now, future generations will hang their heads in shame thinking about us eating meat when we had a choice.

The question should be, why you are not eating meat?

In nature, herbivores have flat teeth, and carnivores have canines.
A herbivore’s stomach is usually NOT designed to digest meat, a goat for example - and a carnivore’s stomach is not designed to digest vegetation, a lion for example.

Now, look at human teeth structure - we have both flat teeth and canine AND our stomachs are designed to digest vegetation and meat.

This means, nature has designed us to eat both.

There is no religiosity involved in my answer.
 
Interesting to revisit this thread after so long. I think it might be interesting to revisit and ask why would you not eat meat?

I know what my answer would be, but is there a specific reason?

Two reasons as I may have mentioned already.

Firstly - the meat industry disgusts and appals me. Ditto the cow’s milk industry.

Secondly the massive environmental damage caused by beef farming in terms of greenhouse gasses and water consumption.
 
Two reasons as I may have mentioned already.

Firstly - the meat industry disgusts and appals me. Ditto the cow’s milk industry.

Secondly the massive environmental damage caused by beef farming in terms of greenhouse gasses and water consumption.

Meat industry may be disgusting where u live, but it does provide 100 and millions of jobs. Better yet, you can raise and/or slaughter your own chickens etc.

For the environment part,
Lets look at the damage caused by some other industries - you should perhaps not fly or drive a car or travel by bus, as the transport is one of the worst.

You should not use any wood furniture or paper because forestry industry is also terrible for the environment.

You shouldn't be using any electricity or gas as the energy industry is also one of the highest in causing damage to the environment.
 
Meat industry may be disgusting where u live, but it does provide 100 and millions of jobs. Better yet, you can raise and/or slaughter your own chickens etc.

For the environment part,
Lets look at the damage caused by some other industries - you should perhaps not fly or drive a car or travel by bus, as the transport is one of the worst.

You should not use any wood furniture or paper because forestry industry is also terrible for the environment.

You shouldn't be using any electricity or gas as the energy industry is also one of the highest in causing damage to the environment.

I don't have any garden space for chickens.

I respect people who go out and hunt for their pigs and venison. I have a problem with a meat production system when cattle and swine outnumber humans considerably and are used as industrial raw materials, and where huge areas of forest and water that could be for humans and other animals are used to raise them.

All those loss jobs in the meat industry can transfer to production of plant-based foods - pea protein, oat milk, fungal meat replacements and so on.

Working from home means less greenhouse gas and we are working on vehicles which are carbon-neutral.

Forestry is sustainable. We plant more trees to replace those we cut down.

I don't use gas.

Electricity production is increasingly sustainable due to PV panels, offshore wind farms, energy from waste, geothermal and wave power. I cut my carbon footprint by 45% by putting PV panels on my roof, and can go further by erecting a small wind turbine.
 
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Waitrose have a whole grass fed beef section.
All the courts from Ribeye, Rump to Fillet and also an on the bone sirloin.

If live in North London snd you want to treat yourself then Hampstead Butchers and the Butchers in Primrose Hill are both superb.

Of course it's not Halal and not sure if this your thing or not.

I managed to get into remission from rheumatoid arthritis three years ago by just adjusting my diet and cleaning out my gut... daily probiotics and prebiotics to feed it.

I'm glad you managed to recover from your that. I've had some inflammation which affected my gut around 4 years ago. I find good quality beef definitely helps! If I can't find halal meat and the vegetarian options are meh then I'll try whatever chicken is on offer.

What probiotics and prebiotics do you use?
 
people have lived on vegetarian diets forever, there's nothing wrong with it.

To be honest, I think you can end up with deficiency with vegetarian diet alone.

Vegetarian diet works if you are taking supplements or you are getting all the required nutrients from non-meat sources. You may have to eat many different types of veggies.

I tried vegetarian diet for 1 month and I felt horrible. I had side effects. I went back to eating meat and all problems disappeared.
 
I'm glad you managed to recover from your that. I've had some inflammation which affected my gut around 4 years ago. I find good quality beef definitely helps! If I can't find halal meat and the vegetarian options are meh then I'll try whatever chicken is on offer.

What probiotics and prebiotics do you use?

Pro biotic
Symprove
Google it and order it directly from them.
75ml every morning before you eat or drink anything.
It's worked wonders for me...

Prebiotic
Kimchi / fermented veg
Hemp seeds
Flax seeds
Kefir
 
Two reasons as I may have mentioned already.

Firstly - the meat industry disgusts and appals me. Ditto the cow’s milk industry.

Secondly the massive environmental damage caused by beef farming in terms of greenhouse gasses and water consumption.

Those reasons are more to do with big business and the ruthless strive to earn maximum profit than any objection to eating meat itself. I agree though, industrial farming is a callous business, should make anyone think twice where the food on their plate is coming from.
 
Once they perfect lab grown meat and they are close to perfecting it.. It will end slaughter houses and greenhouse gas emissions...
 
Once they perfect lab grown meat and they are close to perfecting it.. It will end slaughter houses and greenhouse gas emissions...

Do you think lab meat can replace actual meat?

Why should it end slaughter houses? Many (including myself) prefer natural meats.
 
Once they perfect lab grown meat and they are close to perfecting it.. It will end slaughter houses and greenhouse gas emissions...

I think that is essential for the survival of most of our species. We have to cut out nearly all meat consumption before the biosphere alters in ways inimicable to us.
 
Do you think lab meat can replace actual meat?

Why should it end slaughter houses? Many (including myself) prefer natural meats.

Because once lab grown meat will be proven to healthy in the long run (ie studies of over 10 years) laws will be brought in to stop animal slaughter or make animal meat extremely expensive.
 
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