Quinton de Kock vs Jos Buttler

[street cricketer]

Both are wicketkeeper batsmen. Both are two of the most explosive batsmen in the world. Their breathtaking shots will leave most people in awe. Buttler is slightly unorthodox while QdK is more conventional. Both are very young and exciting batsmen. They are the type of batsmen who will make people stop doing their work and start watching the game when they come to the crease.

Who is the better ODI batsman though?

They play in different positions and their roles are different. But if you had to choose just one batsman,

Who would you rather have in your team?

 

[JattMaula]

Butler.

Good under pressure.

 

[Hamza_]

Butler IMO. Superb power and timing

 

[Haroon786]

Kock.

Sharjeel, Babar and Kock as our top order would be mouth watering for a 9th ranked team.

Would like to have Buttler too.

 

[Hamza_]

Kock.

Sharjeel, Babar and Kock as our top order would be mouth watering for a 9th ranked team.

Would like to have Buttler too.

Time for Saffers to payback for Imran Tahir

 

[Hasan123]

My favourite English player and my favourite South African player, I'll go with De kock I think he is a bit more consistent and look at how well he has done in India.

 

[Haroon786]

Time for Saffers to payback for Imran Tahir

I wish, we would be winning a lot more if we had someone like Kock in the team.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Jos Buttler for me.

Can become English Adam Gilchrist.

 

[Dark Magician]

Why is everyone calling him kock. He's De Kock.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I will take Bairstow.

 

[HitWicket]

I will take Bairstow.

In ODIs?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

In ODIs?

Yeah, he can actually play the moving ball.

 

[HitWicket]

Yeah, he can actually play the moving ball.

Ball doesn't exactly move much in odis nowadays though does it.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Ball doesn't exactly move much in odis nowadays though does it.

Up front, it does. And De Kock's been troubled every time. Same is the case with Butler but batting at 5, he hasn't had to face it often. But I'm not just talking swing but spin as well.

While their potential is immense, I don't rate players until they they show sound technical application and both of them are lacking.

 

[soso_killer]

de Kock is far and away superior IMO, nothing to discuss here. Leads from the front.
Age is on his side, and has a huge scope of improvement.
He knows how to pace his innings. Once he finds that consistency we'll be laughing at this thread.

 

[HitWicket]

Similar level in my view, clearly the 2 best LOI keeper-batsmen in the world right now and I'd have both in my world XI. Different players though of course with Buttler being the more destructive and unorthodox one whilst De Kock being an opener tends to build his innings up slightly more and is more orthodox.

 

[liquidice]

It is a good comparison. Very close at the moment and i think de kock has all the ability to become the next gilchrist. Similarly i find a lot of similarities between buttler and de villiers. Both are very destructive and 360 degree players. Both players are very young and better than what gilchrist and de villiers were at their age. For me de kock and buttler are the true heirs of gilchrist and de villiers just like starc is the true heir of wasim akram and kohli is the true heir of tendulkar and rahane is the next dravid.

 

[liquidice]

de Kock is far and away superior IMO, nothing to discuss here. Leads from the front.
Age is on his side, and has a huge scope of improvement.
He knows how to pace his innings. Once he finds that consistency we'll be laughing at this thread.

Hmm don't think the comparison is as lopsided as you think. Buttler is the closest think to a young de villiers that you can find. I know you don't like de villiers as a character but I am talking about his batting skill and talent.

 

[ExpressPacer]

This isn't even a question lmao. De Kock is a galaxy ahead of Jos. De Kock averages 44, has ELEVEN 100's in ODI's, has more runs despite fewer innings and has a better technique. He's still got the gentleman-esque class to him. Jos is more unorthodox. A very good player nonetheless. But in a decade from now, we'll talk about both players and Quinton is going to be paramount. I really feel bad for the guy tbvh, he's very underrated. Doesn't get the sort of hype Root, Kohli, Williamson or Smith do. He's right up there with them. Not even a feather behind, may even be better. After all, his stats are terrific. Not to forget, he's younger than all these other blokes.

 

[liquidice]

This isn't even a question lmao. De Kock is a galaxy ahead of Jos. De Kock averages 44, has ELEVEN 100's in ODI's, has more runs despite fewer innings and has a better technique. He's still got the gentleman-esque class to him. Jos is more unorthodox. A very good player nonetheless. But in a decade from now, we'll talk about both players and Quinton is going to be paramount. I really feel bad for the guy tbvh, he's very underrated. Doesn't get the sort of hype Root, Kohli, Williamson or Smith do. He's right up there with them. Not even a feather behind, may even be better. After all, his stats are terrific. Not to forget, he's younger than all these other blokes.

buttler doesn't open so comparing their hundreds tally makes no sense. Both are brilliant players in their positions and both are young who will only get better so this is a very good comparison. I agree with you that de kock is underrated but that is because he hasn't had many notable contributions in tests yet unlike those names but in a few years that will change. Similarly england need to play buttler in tests ahead of mediocre players like vince and ballance because buttler has 10x more potential.

 

[ExpressPacer]

buttler doesn't open so comparing their hundreds tally makes no sense. Both are brilliant players in their positions and both are young who will only get better so this is a very good comparison. I agree with you that de kock is underrated but that is because he hasn't had many notable contributions in tests yet unlike those names but in a few years that will change. Similarly england need to play buttler in tests ahead of mediocre players like vince and ballance because buttler has 10x more potential.

Agreed bro but I was just stating a fact. Not comparing the number of their hundreds. Anyway, I still think that Buttler needs to at least average 40 to be considered comparable with De Kock. And, yeah, true. He hasn't really contributed much in Tests. He does have a terrific avg of 48 I think but hasn't really made a mark.

 

[Justcrazy]

I would take DE Kock. He looks more compact and assured.

 

[liquidice]

Agreed bro but I was just stating a fact. Not comparing the number of their hundreds. Anyway, I still think that Buttler needs to at least average 40 to be considered comparable with De Kock. And, yeah, true. He hasn't really contributed much in Tests. He does have a terrific avg of 48 I think but hasn't really made a mark.

In the last 2 years, buttler has played 34 matches and averaged 48 at a strike rate of 124. He was inconsistent early in his career but now he is becoming the most devastating odi batsman around.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Very difficult to choose but De Kock for me

 

[Rayyman]

I don't think De Kock will do well against good pacers. Australia attack was weak when he got 170- odd. He should move down the order. His technique isn't great. That's why I think Buttler is better, he can play in the middle order. De Kock isn't very strong and he struggles against spin.

 

[Prince_]

DE kock easily. It's not even a competition. Buttler is good, but DE kock is better. He's the one batsman who should have been in the world 11 instead of Warner.

 

[Mobashir]

Buttler has done brilliantly In odi's but that's under rating de Qock.
Quinton is one of the best batsman in the world.

 

[Watsupdoc]

De Kock simply because he's a better keeper than Jos.

 

[volcyz]

De Kock,

gonna be the best batsmen in the world.

 

[HitWicket]

On a slightly separate note Buttler is a brilliant example of a team persevering with someone because of their talent. In his first 52 games he averaged 30.15 @ 108.98. In his next/most recent 26 games he's averaged 59.73 @ 139.34.

 

[Suleiman]

QdK is on another level right now, someone said Buttler is better under pressure... how is that?

Both are my favorite LOI batsmen right now, QdK is more low risk and Buttler is a lot like ABD, he has a lot more aerial routes like straight down the ground, over midwicket, whereas QdK prefers to go mainly over the legside but has the best pullshot in international cricket atm.

 

[Suleiman]

Another thing, QdK is more of a "classical" batsman with strokes all around the field (though can just go on a rampage like yesterday) whereas Buttler is more modern and innovative, both very contrasting styles but very similar in destructiveness.

 

[Ab Fan]

Tough call. Both have potential to be world class odi players.

 

[Hawkeye]

Different type of batsmen and different positions too.

Would've been a comparison if both played similar roles. Butler is a late order hitter and Kock can't play like that.

Butler can't play as good as Kock at the top order, facing the new ball.

Kock is a more complete player but both have some big issues with quality bowling.

 

[msb314]

Quinton de Kock is better as when comparing their batting.

More consistent and has the hunger for big scores.

 

[Slog]

Buttler recently

 

[JattMaula]

QdK is on another level right now, someone said Buttler is better under pressure... how is that?

QDK is freakishly talented and better keeper but goes missing in important moments though that's not very uncommon for a proteas player.

Butler is more intelligent, batting wise. And it will be proven in next CT and World Cup.

 

[Suleiman]

QDK is freakishly talented and better keeper but goes missing in important moments though that's not very uncommon for a proteas player.

Butler is more intelligent, batting wise. And it will be proven in next CT and World Cup.

Buttler is at the ABD route as well when it comes to big moments, really don't see how he has QdK beat there.

QdK at the very least came good in the 200+ game vs England in this last world t20.

I think when you can pace an innings that well it shows that you know what is the need of the hour, and players like these usually come good in tournament scenes. He's young, will come good. May be the first saffer without choker gene, let's see. Usually riskier players like ABD and Buttler flounder the big moments, though I have faith in Buttler as well.

 

[HitWicket]

The thread made me took an extra look at Buttlers stats and he's played 5 innings batting at 4 (none higher yet) in ODIs, with 320 runs at an average of 106.66 with a strike rate of 172.97 . Wonder if he'll take that position for himself under his own captaincy in Bangladesh or if Bairstow will have it instead.

 

[JattMaula]

Buttler is at the ABD route as well when it comes to big moments, really don't see how he has QdK beat there.

QdK at the very least came good in the 200+ game vs England in this last world t20.

I think when you can pace an innings that well it shows that you know what is the need of the hour, and players like these usually come good in tournament scenes. He's young, will come good. May be the first saffer without choker gene, let's see. Usually riskier players like ABD and Buttler flounder the big moments, though I have faith in Buttler as well.

Openers in todays conditions and rules in LOI's have it really easy. Even Tailunt is averaging 50+ as Opener.

Butler does hardest job of the LOI batsman, the finishing. Butler is big part of Englands recent LOI Renaissance.

If you put QDK in an average team, the team will remain average. No X factor.

And you put Butler in an average team and team will exceed expectations. He will win you matches that are lost.

 

[Suleiman]

Openers in todays conditions and rules in LOI's have it really easy. Even Tailunt is averaging 50+ as Opener.

Butler does hardest job of the LOI batsman, the finishing. Butler is big part of Englands recent LOI Renaissance.

If you put QDK in an average team, the team will remain average. No X factor.

And you put Butler in an average team and team will exceed expectations. He will win you matches that are lost.

Don't think it works like that. And Buttler has hardly been used as a finisher. His most dominating performances have come at 4. Yes the performance vs SL to rescue the ship was impressive but unfair to say openers in LOs have less of a role to play than finishers. It's the openers and top order usually which has set up the game for Buttler to go berserk in. By the same token QDK does the majority of the work chasing or setting up a big score on his own so even a choking job kind of like what we saw yesteady when 3 wickets fell altogether near the end isn't enough to undo his good work.

Esp in big chases, which are all so common now, an opener like QDK is important as ever as he is the one who sets the tempo and rolls the momwntum.

If you put QDK in a team like SL, Pak or WI I'm pretty sure their batting performance will defo improve lol.

 

[JattMaula]

Don't think it works like that. And Buttler has hardly been used as a finisher. His most dominating performances have come at 4. Yes the performance vs SL to rescue the ship was impressive but unfair to say openers in LOs have less of a role to play than finishers. It's the openers and top order usually which has set up the game for Buttler to go berserk in. By the same token QDK does the majority of the work chasing or setting up a big score on his own so even a choking job kind of like what we saw yesteady when 3 wickets fell altogether near the end isn't enough to undo his good work.

Esp in big chases, which are all so common now, an opener like QDK is important as ever as he is the one who sets the tempo and rolls the momwntum.

If you put QDK in a team like SL, Pak or WI I'm pretty sure their batting performance will defo improve lol.

My point is that what QdK does is not that uncommon. Even Guptil can do that. What Butter does is more valuable and rare.

 

[The_Odd_One]

It's like comparing Tendulkar and Dhoni.
Both are incredible limited overs batsmen. However, in my opinion, De Kock is the better batsman because he can play long innings at a very high strike rate.

Buttler is the most destructive ODI batsman right now but I think De Kock has higher potential and will score 14k career runs.

 

[Ab Fan]

De Kock has 11 hundreds though.He has lots of potential.He is a 50 averaging opener but he need to perform in next WC for SA.

Butler hasn't been that good when its about delivering on the biggest occassions. CT 2013 final comes to my mind.Also did a AB/Misbah vs Bangladesh in WC 2015.

Both are young and I see a few deficits in them but they have huge potential.So hope for the best.

 

[dauntless]

Quinny is better than jos I think Jos is overrated who has done well on English flat wickets.

 

[dauntless]

I have been supporting quinny since his debut I m bit biased he is my favorite player from s Africa he will break many records in upcoming years

 

[Aman]

QdK, easy.

One of the few SA's who doesn't seem to crumble under pressure.

 

[street cricketer]

Up front, it does. And De Kock's been troubled every time. Same is the case with Butler but batting at 5, he hasn't had to face it often. But I'm not just talking swing but spin as well.

While their potential is immense, I don't rate players until they they show sound technical application and both of them are lacking.

But if you had to pick one, who would you..

I thought QdK was decent on a slow sticky wicket at Nagpur in the WT20 against west indies when all the others collapsed predictably around him. It's only a T20, but it's still something to start with.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

But if you had to pick one, who would you..

I thought QdK was decent on a slow sticky wicket at Nagpur in the WT20 against west indies when all the others collapsed predictably around him. It's only a T20, but it's still something to start with.

Depends what my team needs.

 

[Xeeebon]

We will see in a few days how good is buttler in Asian pittch....decock was mediocre in Bangladesh series...

 

[Xeeebon]

Qdecock's runs in last series against bd was 35,2,7...he was a failure in BD...lets see how good is buttler can be in bd...

 

[sivaji]

My point is that what QdK does is not that uncommon. Even Guptil can do that. What Butter does is more valuable and rare.

Even duminy can do buttler's job

 

[JattMaula]

Even duminy can do buttler's job

No hasn't and can't.

 

[sivaji]

QdK, easy.

One of the few SA's who doesn't seem to crumble under pressure.

There are only few people in any other team that dont crumble under pressure

 

[sivaji]

No hasn't and can't.

He has and can. Even Miller has done. But Guptil cant do what Kock does consistently.

 

[street cricketer]

We will see in a few days how good is buttler in Asian pittch....decock was mediocre in Bangladesh series...

de Kock..

 

[JattMaula]

He has and can. Even Miller has done. But Guptil cant do what Kock does consistently.

Please compare QdK and Guptil's record in last 2 years.

Miller personifies proteas choking manual. He will not win any 50-50 situations for his team.

 

[Xeeebon]

de Kock..

Yeah...

 

[HitWicket]

He has and can. Even Miller has done. But Guptil cant do what Kock does consistently.

Buttlers ODI strike rate is nearly the same as Duminy T20i strike rate...

 

[sivaji]

Please compare QdK and Guptil's record in last 2 years.

Miller personifies proteas choking manual. He will not win any 50-50 situations for his team.

There is no comparsion between QDK and guptill.

Miller is as much a choker as Buttler, Sarfrez, Anwar Youhana Younis khan etc

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Sarfraz Ahmed is better than both of them.

 

[sivaji]

In your dream. He is not even close to them.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Not even a contest anymore

Buttler destroys De Kock in all formats

 

[TeymurBlake]

Not even a contest anymore

Buttler destroys De Kock in all formats

Its definitely for sure how Buttler has immensely improved over the last couple of years whereas Quinton has sadly and very surprisingly regressed. Buttler so far takes trumps over De Kock in all formats.

 

[Sam99]

Buttler can win in pressure situations which decock can't. But buttler has alot to prove in test format. This india series will be big for him.

 

[babajee]

I don’t think De Kock has performed since 2016.

 

[Dulex9]

I would choose Jos Buttler due to his ability in pressure situations.

 

[introvert]

Buttler is superior limited overs player.

Though Both have lot to prove in test cricket imo.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I don’t think De Kock has performed since 2016.

De Kock has been horrible in tests, probably the worst keeper batsman.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Joss Buttler.No contest.

 

[MenInG]

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[MenInG]

South Africa will look to take a 2-0 lead in the ongoing five-match T20I series against India when both teams face each other on Sunday at the Barabati Stadium in Cuttack. In the first game of the series, the Proteas had outclassed the hosts by seven wickets as they chased down 212 with seven wickets in hand and five balls to spare. Wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock is on the cusp of becoming just the second wicketkeeper to take 50 catches in the shortest format of the game.

Quinton de Kock is just one catch away from registering 50 catches in T20Is, and if he manages to achieve the feat, he will become the second wicketkeeper after MS Dhoni to achieve the feat.

The left-handed batter is also just two sixes away from registering 300 maximums in the shortest format, across all games (domestic and international).

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/ind...s-dhoni-to-achieve-this-feat-in-t20is-3060188