Rank the possible bowling lineups from best to worst for the 2019 World Cup

[a_tahir]

Rank the bowling lineups best to worst

 

[CricketDon]

India
England
Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
West Indies
Sri Lanka

 

[CricFan2012]

India
England
Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
West Indies
Sri Lanka

How in earth is England at 2?

Pakistan is definitely top 3-4 as well, we have variety, and decent bowlers who will bowl economically most of the time.

 

[rhony]

How in earth is England at 2?

Pakistan is definitely top 3-4 as well, we have variety, and decent bowlers who will bowl economically most of the time.

Pakistan has a new ball penetration problem. Need a partner for Shaheen. Amir averages 100 in the last year, Shinwari is on and off. Faheem can't be an opening bowler. Shaheen is gold, Shadab is silver and Hasan is copper. Need 4 wicket taking bowlers with a decent 5th and 6th bowling options

 

[xricket]

India
New Zealand
South Africa
Pakistan
Australia (Starc matters a lot in their ranking, with peak form, Aussies take top spot)
England (mainly due to Woakes)

 

[jnaveen1980]

I agree that England bowling is not that threatening. Same way Pakistan attack is better than nZ. I would say on par with England.

 

[Ganju Baba]

Pakistan
England
SA
NZ
India
Aus
SL
AFG
Ban
WI

 

[a_tahir]

India
England
Australia
South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
West Indies
Sri Lanka

Don't understand how England is 2. Their bowling is not even that good. It is their batting that keeps them together.
Pakistan is on par or better than New zealand. Don't know whether they are better than SA or not because Rabada hasn't been effective at all in this series he averages 50+.

 

[ads101]

England's bowling line up is pretty bad. When they had Broad and Anderson they were good, but they don't really play ODIs anymore. Rashid is pretty good, but he's not amazing. The biggest thing they've got going for them is stokes, who's arguably the best allrounder.

If I'd have to rank them:

India
Australia
South Africa
Pakistan
New Zealand
England
Afghanistan (if they bowl like they did in Asia cup regularly, I haven't seen much of them, so maybe be a bit higher rather than should be)
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
West Indies

Pakistan isn't a great bowling side and has their fair share of problems but most sides do right now. People think for example the New Zealand bowling attack is stronger than it is, yes Boult is great, but the rest aren't that great and especially Southee hasn't been too good of late.

Pakistan have 5 bowlers in their disposal, Hasan Ali, Shadab, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari who all average 20 something (or under 20 in Shaheen and Shinwari's cases). Even Faheem averages 20 something though that's vastly inflated by weaker sides. Yes that might flatter a bit too much, but it's clearly superior to many other teams right now where bowling stocks are low.

 

[RickyG]

1. India - One of the GOAT bowling attack. Well-rounded with Bumrah Shami Bhuvi and two world class spinners (their only weakness is the 5th/6th bowling option)
2. South Africa - Courtesy of their impressive pace bowling options and Tahir
3. Pakistan - Second most well-rounded. Decent depth in pace bowlers as well.
4. Australia - Impressive pace attack with Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood with decent back up but no variety
5. New Zealand - Good pace attack but fairly reliant on Boult
6. England - Lots of options but fairly underwhelming when you consider that Mark Wood and Plunkett are leaders of this pack
7. Bangladesh - Good attack on slow subcontinental wickets probably the second best in those conditions. Far less impressive otherwise.

8/9/10. West Indies/Sri Lanka/Afghanistan - Let's see what we get. Windies have a decent pace attack on paper. Meanwhile Afghanistan arguably have the best spinners after India.

 

[MMHS]

I am certain that WIN attack is better than ours in UK by some distance. If they pick the right bowlers, even excluding Narine, an attack of Roach, Joseph, Holder, Russell backed by Chase is much better than half of the teams. Add to that Shannon Gabriel and those two young pacers rattling BD batting on slow wickets ....

I think, overall Indian attack is best for the combination & those two spinners in middle overs. Haven’t checked data, but my hunch is between over 11-40, IND has done the best in last 3-4 years and that’s the key stats in ODI in current context.

On full potential, AUS attack is much underrated, one reason being they hardly play their best attack in bilaterals. Strac, Josh, Cummins, Jaye & probably Coulter Nile, makes the best pace attack, but they are missing a master spinner.

Suddenly, SAF attack looking not so strong - main reason is the decline of Tahir. From the best spinner of ODI, he looks like a shadow of his past. Their pace attack is still among best.

Kiwi pace attack is great but they are missing a penetrative spinner - Sodhi is hot & cold while Santner doesn’t offer wicket taking threat.

ENG uses a different combination for ODI which isn’t bowling focused - it’s almost like at times old Real Madrid tactics of winning 5-3, instead of 2-0. Still if Mo & Adil can deliver, their attack isn’t that worse for their condition.

PAK pace attack should be among best in UK, but there is a serious decline in Amir’s game while the spin attack is still behind IND & BD. One alarming issue is the genuine struggle with new ball and in UK early summer, team doesn’t cash on 2 ball for first 10-12 overs, it’s difficult to bring the game back. Most teams’ batting is head heavy (1-2-3 are the match winners), hence any attack will need new ball skill.

Our spin attack is good, but it’s not penetrative and without a leggi, on English condition, we’ll struggle in middle overs; containing job won’t work. What we need a couple of pacer to use the new ball and allow Mustafiz to be preserved for old ball. Taskin has been bowling well in BPL, other one is probably between Khaled or Abu Jayed; Mash is a steady performer but can be the weak link on his bad day (& bad days could be most common).

Not much idea about SRL or AFG attack, but SRL has to change their “all-rounder” combination - then probably a better attack than AFG.

I won’t rank 1-10, rather my 4 buckets are (not in particular order within bucket)

1-4. IND, SAF, PAK, AUS
5-7. NZL, WIN, ENG
8-10. BD, AFG, SRL

 

[Mp812]

1) Pakistan
2) South Africa
3) Australia
4) England
5) Afghanistan
6) India

I am kidding

 

[BDfanforever]

It’s really amazing how much Kuldeep and Chahal improved India’s bowling.

Even during Champions Trophy IND gaveaway like 320 runs to SRL and Pakistan.

 

[Hyperion66]

India
Aus
SA
NZ
Pak
Eng
AFG
Win
BD

I don't wanna cause any offence, but I think Pak bowling is quite overrated in this board and batting is massively underrated. Amir stopped taking wickets, Hasan is hot and cold, Shinwari isn't exactly someone to rely upon. You can't expect two 20 something kids to carry your bowling most of the times.

 

[Hyperion66]

It’s really amazing how much Kuldeep and Chahal improved India’s bowling.

Even during Champions Trophy IND gaveaway like 320 runs to SRL and Pakistan.

Bumrah improved leaps and bounds after that CT final as well but yeah spinners are indeed the biggest reason.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

India (take 10 wickets regularly)
South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
England
Australia
West Indies
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Sri Lanka

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I don't see anyone bowling better than Pakistan in middle-death overs. Our main problem is the new ball. A couple of early wickets are needed so Hasan and spinners may do their thing.

India are the best over all, followed by SA.

Ratings:
India
SA
Pakistan (But if Amir clicks; we can win this world cup In Sha Allah)
England
NZ
Australia (Not a popular opinion, but I don't see any match-winner besides Starc)

Can't say much about row.

 

[CricFan2012]

Pakistan has a new ball penetration problem. Need a partner for Shaheen. Amir averages 100 in the last year, Shinwari is on and off. Faheem can't be an opening bowler. Shaheen is gold, Shadab is silver and Hasan is copper. Need 4 wicket taking bowlers with a decent 5th and 6th bowling options

Wickets aren't everything in LOI if you can bowl economically, we just saw South Africa score under 300 with plenty of wickets in hand. Amir bowls economically, and he tries harder during ICC events as we've all seen. Faheem is actually a great bowler, economy of under 4.5 and actually moves the ball.

Compared to other teams Pakistan is certainly top 3-4 as a bowling unit going into the world cup, they love bowling in English conditions as well so they're definitely going to perform well.

 

[rhony]

Wickets aren't everything in LOI if you can bowl economically, we just saw South Africa score under 300 with plenty of wickets in hand. Amir bowls economically, and he tries harder during ICC events as we've all seen. Faheem is actually a great bowler, economy of under 4.5 and actually moves the ball.

Compared to other teams Pakistan is certainly top 3-4 as a bowling unit going into the world cup, they love bowling in English conditions as well so they're definitely going to perform well.

Pak are not a decent chasing team. They are not an explosive batting unit either. Their sweet spot is somewhere between 250 and 280 while batting first and 230 to 260 while chasing. With pitches being flat, it's important that opening pair takes wickets in the PP. That's when the ball does a bit. Hasan, Shadab and Imad can bowl well in the middle overs. Pak desperately needs a swinging Amir to partner Shaheen.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

It’s really amazing how much Kuldeep and Chahal improved India’s bowling.

Even during Champions Trophy IND gaveaway like 320 runs to SRL and Pakistan.

Actually our bowling was pretty good in CT. I attended the Ind-BD warm up game where BD batsman were literally scared of our fast bowlers. They got all out for some 80 odd runs. We had to shout from stadium I still remember "Bacchon ko darao mat...khelne do"

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-scor...tch-icc-champions-trophy-warm-up-matches-2017

Then we bowl beautifully against SA as well.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Pak
Ind
Saf
Eng
Aus
Nzl
Wi
Afg
Ban
Sri

 

[Nikhil_cric]

SL have the worst attack of all though im not sure about the best. Absolute garbage bowling lineup.

 

[aloo paratha]

India
South Africa
New Zealand
Pakistan
Australia
England
Afghanistan
West Indies
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka

 

[topspin]

Undisputed No.1 is India - complete bowling attack. Every bowler is world class level. Credit to Kohli for elevating the spin attack to Kuldeep and Chahal, from what used to be 18 months ago with Jadeja and Ashwin who got mauled in the CT Final. Bumrah is the star bowling of this menacing bowling unit.

2. Australia - Best pace attack in ODIs with 2 WC winners. Starc was MOTM in the last WC. Cummins is an excellent upgrade to Mitchell Johnson, who played his part in helping his side go all the way 4 years ago.

3. South Africa - Pace attack is almost as good as Australia's but the spin bowling is a major concern. Shamsi is raw and Tahir looks finished.

4. Pakistan - Pace attack is pretty good but their ability to utilise the new ball is worrying, having said that Amir has a good track record in the big games. Shaheen is the main threat and a special talent. He has all the ingredients to take the pitches out of the equation. The deficiencies of the 3rd seamer is what prevents Pakistan from breaking into the top 3. Hasan Ali is a shadow of the bowler he was in the CT, where he made a name for himself as the leading wicket taker earning him MOTM.

Spin bowling is what lets Pakistan down. Shadab is liability to good players of spin. Hafeez isn't the same bowler with his legal action. Imad Wasim doesn't spin the ball enough to penetrate batting line ups but he is economical and deserves to be in the team on merit as he's one of the best lower order players in Pakistan's talent pool to make the odd cameo.

5. New Zealand - Highly reliant on Trent Boult but along with Southee they form a very dangerous opening pair to share the new ball. Lockie Ferguson is a hostile bowler with his 150+ pace but is still raw. Mitchell Santner is decent but Ish Sodhi is mediocre.

The rest are pretty average or mediocre.

6. England - Spin attack is good but pacers are average. Moeen Ali will keep it tight and Rashid will be a threat with his well disguised googly.

7. WI - Lot of talent in the bowling but they are raw and don't apply themselves well and tend to bowl a lot of rubbish. They are a better test bowling unit.

8. Afghanistan - Along with India, they form one of the two best spin attacks in LOIs cricket however the pacers are raw.

9. Bangladesh - Perhaps the third best spin attack in world cricket with Shakib and Mehidy Hasan Miraz. Pace attack is well below the par international standards. Mustafizur is a slow track bully who is heavily reliant on his slower ball variations.

10. Sri Lanka - Toothless bowling attack out of all the bowling units. All the bowlers are substandard.

 

[BDfanforever]

Actually our bowling was pretty good in CT. I attended the Ind-BD warm up game where BD batsman were literally scared of our fast bowlers. They got all out for some 80 odd runs. We had to shout from stadium I still remember "Bacchon ko darao mat...khelne do"

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-scor...tch-icc-champions-trophy-warm-up-matches-2017

Then we bowl beautifully against SA as well.

I don't remember any warm up matches. However, I do recall likes of Gunathilaka, Kusal Mendis, and Fakhar Zaman having a fun outing with the Indian bowling during that tournament. Also, if Aus was playing instead of BD in the Semi I am pretty sure they could've gotten at least 320 from 150/2 in 28 Ovs instead of being blown away by Kedar Jadhav.

On a side note, I believe ICC need to revamp the rules regarding all the slinga's. I mean what is this from KM Jadhav? Here, it's not that bad, but during one of the Aus game you couldn't even see his arm on the camera frame as it was below the waist and the Aus commentator called him "underarm mystery bowler" .

 

[Shandarchowka]

Considering the world cup will happen in England, here is my take -

1. Australia - Starc, Cummins, Richardson/Hazlewood, Lyon/Zamba, Stoinis
2. Pakistan - Amir, Shaheen, Hasan/Shinwari/Junaid, Shadab, Faheem, Hafeez, Malik
3. South Africa - Steyn, Rabada, Ngidi, Tahir/Shamsi, Phehlukwayo, Duminy
4. India - Bumrah, Bhuvaneshwar, Kuldeep, Chahal, Pandya
4. New Zealand - Boult, Lockie, Southee/Bracewell, Neesham//De Grandhome, Santner/Astle/Sodhi
6. England - Willey, Woakes, Rashid, Moeen, Plunkett/Wood, Stokes, Curran(?)
7. West Indies - Roach, Holder, Gabriel/Thomas, Narine, Russell
8. Sri Lanka - Lakmal, Chameera, other listless bowlers
9. Afghanistan - Rashid, Mujib, other listless bowlers
10. Bangladesh - Rubel, Sakib, Mutsafizur, other listless bowlers

 

[nextover666666]

1) Pakistan they will be even better at the World Cup they will step up

2) England

3) South Africa

4) Australia

5) India

6) New Zealand

7) West Indies

8) Bangladesh

9) Afghanistan

10) Sri Lanka

 

[Aman]

1) India
2) Australia
3) Pakistan
4) England
5) NZ
6) WI

 

[Shandarchowka]

1) India
2) Australia
3) Pakistan
4) England
5) NZ
6) WI

What about South Africa? Sri Lanka?

 

[CricketDon]

How in earth is England at 2?

Pakistan is definitely top 3-4 as well, we have variety, and decent bowlers who will bowl economically most of the time.

Woakes
Ball
Rashid
Modern
Stokes
Plunket

Is a very good modern bowling unit. Coupled with the fact the WC is in England, I can see them taking 10 wickets consistently.

 

[Aman]

What about South Africa? Sri Lanka?

Forgot about SA, they're probably 4th. SL 7th.

 

[Ab Fan]

The wait ends now.

1. India
2. Australia
3. Pakistan (Shaheen inclusion has made it a top 3 for me)
4. South Africa/New Zealand
5. New Zealand/South Africa
6. England
7. West Indies

 

[HitWicket]

6. England - Lots of options but fairly underwhelming when you consider that Mark Wood and Plunkett are leaders of this pack

Mark Wood won't even be the first backup pacer in the squad. Leading the attack would be Woakes and Plunkett. Woakes averages 28.07 at an economy 5.17 since the last world cup (which is an outstanding economy for someone who plays 50% of his games in England and nearly always bowls in the powerplay and at the death) and Plunkett averages 27.67 at an economy of 5.90 since the last world cup. Chuck in one of either Tom Curran as a death bowler or David Willey who's very effective with the new ball alongside a few overs from Stokes to make up the pace attack. Then Rashid and Moeen as the spin attack and it's not the best in the world but it's not exactly underwhelming either.

 

[RickyG]

Mark Wood won't even be the first backup pacer in the squad. Leading the attack would be Woakes and Plunkett. Woakes averages 28.07 at an economy 5.17 since the last world cup (which is an outstanding economy for someone who plays 50% of his games in England and nearly always bowls in the powerplay and at the death) and Plunkett averages 27.67 at an economy of 5.90 since the last world cup. Chuck in one of either Tom Curran as a death bowler or David Willey who's very effective with the new ball alongside a few overs from Stokes to make up the pace attack. Then Rashid and Moeen as the spin attack and it's not the best in the world but it's not exactly underwhelming either.

Maybe. I've watched Plunkett enough and he has never impressed me. Woakes is actually a superior bowler in England, so playing 50% of his games at home is an advantage for him. Willey is far from special. Curran is fairly green. So like I said, it's still underwhelming considering that other teams will have bowlers such as Rabada, Steyn, Bumrah, Chahal, Boult, Starc, Cummins etc..

I haven't mentioned Pakistan's bowlers because they aren't in that top bracket either. However, I consider Afridi and Hasan Ali to be superior to England's pace bowlers and Shadab and Imad superior to Moeen/Rashid.