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Both legspinners. Both 18. Both can bowl a great googly. Both have made a big name for themselves already. Who do you think has more potential? Rashid already has 50 wickets and has been selected by teams in the CPL and the IPL. Unfortunately, he plays for a minnow nation. Shadab had a brilliant PSL and can bat really well too.

Who do you think is the better player and who will find more success over the years?
 
Rashid Khan just ran through Ireland's batting line up with figures of 5 for 54 in the first innings of a First Class match.
 
Shadab will become a superstar and one of the best allrounders in the world in all formats.
Rashid can never become a superstar playing for minnows.
 
Rashid Khan just ran through Ireland's batting line up with figures of 5 for 54 in the first innings of a First Class match.

not a big deal, Ireland was playing in the subcontinent conditions, and their batsmen looked absolutely clueless against spin, can't take much from that performance, we'll have to wait and see how he does in IPL, I'm not sure he'll succeed because of the pitches there, even Imran Tahir never bowled superbly in an IPL season
 
Shadab will become a superstar and one of the best allrounders in the world in all formats.
Rashid can never become a superstar playing for minnows.

True. I think that's sort of sad. But you never know. He's only 18 and Afghanistan will have Test Status by the time he's 20. They're a fast improving side and are already playing LOI series with the likes of Bangladesh and West Indies. May get to play Pakistan too in the imminent future.
 
Problem is that Rashid Khan doesn't belong in the youngster beauty squad:afridi
Shadab I believe is legit 18 years old.
 
also I'm not too sure about how clean is Rashid's action, kinda looks suspicious to me, I won't be surprised if he gets banned, his arm bends more than usual leggies
 
not a big deal, Ireland was playing in the subcontinent conditions, and their batsmen looked absolutely clueless against spin, can't take much from that performance, we'll have to wait and see how he does in IPL, I'm not sure he'll succeed because of the pitches there, even Imran Tahir never bowled superbly in an IPL season

Took a 12fer on his debut vs Eng Lions too in UAE. So, its not JUST the pitches, I'm sure. He's clearly talented. But agreed, IPL will be his real test. I expect him to be a regular feature of Twenty20 leagues around the world if he comes good in the IPL. PSL, BPL and maybe even BBL sides will rope him in.
 
Problem is that Rashid Khan doesn't belong in the youngster beauty squad:afridi
Shadab I believe is legit 18 years old.

Haha, yes. Has to be at least 21.

I have the same opinion for Shadab. Him and Babar Azam surely have correct ages. Not to be racist, but the fake ages are more common among players of Pashtun descent and not as common in Punjabis.
 
Took a 12fer on his debut vs Eng Lions too in UAE. So, its not JUST the pitches, I'm sure. He's clearly talented. But agreed, IPL will be his real test. I expect him to be a regular feature of Twenty20 leagues around the world if he comes good in the IPL. PSL, BPL and maybe even BBL sides will rope him in.

again, England Lions are not a team against which a subcontinent spinner's performance should be measured, apart from a couple of players they're also weak against spin. A real measure of his ability would be against India and Pakistan A teams performance
 
also I'm not too sure about how clean is Rashid's action, kinda looks suspicious to me, I won't be surprised if he gets banned, his arm bends more than usual leggies

I doubt it. His action looks clean to me. I don't think I've ever seen a legspinner with a dubious action. It would be so obvious if they chucked. Maybe for something like Afridi's quicker one but I don't think Rashid's stock deliveries have anything suspicious about them. We'll see in the IPL if there is. He will be under great scrutiny.
 
again, England Lions are not a team against which a subcontinent spinner's performance should be measured, apart from a couple of players they're also weak against spin. A real measure of his ability would be against India and Pakistan A teams performance

If its JUST Indian's and Pakistani's that can help you judge a spinner then you're really limiting your players target audience. Not in my opinion. England has produced some great players of spin from their Lions squad so I choose to think otherwise. Jennings and Hameed being prime examples.
 
Both rely too much on googly which will not work for them in the long run.However,Shadab has greater control than Rashid.
 
Unfair comparison.

Rashid Khan is much elder which is why he probably has more experience.
 
I hate when people bring up age but Rashid Khan doesn't even seem close to 18. :ibutt
 
Unfair comparison.

Rashid Khan is much elder which is why he probably has more experience.

bhai jaan that didn't stop people here from comparing Rahul with Babar, when Babar is almost 3 years younger than Rahul and will be a complete batsmen when he'll reach Rahul's current age:))

Rashid is legit not 18 years old though
 
nope

hint: no one in pindi plays with real age

however, Rashid Khan is way old

I think he's 18. Maybe 19 at most but doesn't look 21 or something.

Unfair comparison.

Rashid Khan is much elder which is why he probably has more experience.

True but I think this would be a good competition. Both are new guys. Yeah maybe Rashid has more experience but he also plays for a minnow nation, is mentored by average coaches and hasn't played in something like PSL with big names, especially someone influential like Badree.
 
If its JUST Indian's and Pakistani's that can help you judge a spinner then you're really limiting your players target audience. Not in my opinion. England has produced some great players of spin from their Lions squad so I choose to think otherwise. Jennings and Hameed being prime examples.


I meant to say that playing against Pak and Ind A team will tell the true story of his ability, because he'll be up against good players of spin in familiar conditions
 
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Age talk should be gone now since both of them plays for senior team and it does not really matter. It's not like football where you hope they would hit peak at 25-26 or something like that. In Pakistan you never know what will happen in 1-2 years.

But just to add a one last comment. Shadab looks 21-22 and Rashid 23-24.
 
Shadab is 19-20 max, I know many Pakistanis who look exactly like Shadab and they are all 18

While Rashid on the other hand is atleast 24
 
True. I think that's sort of sad. But you never know. He's only 18 and Afghanistan will have Test Status by the time he's 20. They're a fast improving side and are already playing LOI series with the likes of Bangladesh and West Indies. May get to play Pakistan too in the imminent future.

heis at least 23 if not 24...
 
Shadab has played one international match.... Let's wait for a bigger sample size before we start comparing.
 
heis at least 23 if not 24...

Well, even if he's 24, he'll be 26 by the time Afghanistan have Test Status and I reckon that they will be a tough team and may even break into the Top 5 in a decade from now. They will not be nearly as slow as Bangladesh have been with their progress. Bangladesh have taken a good 2 decades to have become a team of SOME magnitude and yet they lost a home game to Afghanistan not too long ago.

So, I think Rashid will be presented with equal opportunities in the future.
 
Shadab has played one international match.... Let's wait for a bigger sample size before we start comparing.

I know. Neither have played a lot of international cricket. But I want people to compare and discuss on the basis of ability, who is the more valuable player and who will end up where in the future?
 
Am I the only one who doesn't find Rashid Khan special?

When batsmen are able to pick his wrong uns, he absolutely won't be able to do anything.

There is hardly any bite (barring the turn part).

Haven't seen Shadab so can't comment.
 
Am I the only one who doesn't find Rashid Khan special?

When batsmen are able to pick his wrong uns, he absolutely won't be able to do anything.

There is hardly any bite (barring the turn part).

Haven't seen Shadab so can't comment.

Like I said earlier, he'll be under great scrutiny in the IPL so we'll be able to see him from every aspect. He's been particularly effective with the wrong uns and does sort of overuse it too, but not like Shadab. Shadab bowls 4 wrong'uns every over.
 
Rashid will most likely play against RCB on the 5th of April. Vs the likes oh Kohli, Gayle, Shane Watson and Ab De Villiers. I think we will find out how good he really is after IPL, series vs WI and the CPL.
 
I know. Neither have played a lot of international cricket. But I want people to compare and discuss on the basis of ability, who is the more valuable player and who will end up where in the future?

Valuable in what sense? Afghanistan bowling without Rashid is nothing. It is really hard to project a player's career. I think both are similar in LOIs in the sense that they are both wicket-taking, economical legspinners. Shadab may become the better test bowler in time simply due to the resources and coaching at his disposal.
 
Leggis mature with age. I think Shadab is 19 or may be 20; but not 23; while Rashid is at least 23, may be even 25 - therefore it's inconclusive still. As of now, Shadab looks more lethal for his google which almost unidentifiable; while Rashid turns lot. Next 3/4 years can decide who'll end where - in that regard, Shadab has better chance because of the environment around & the mentors he should accompanied by.
 
Haha, yes. Has to be at least 21.

I have the same opinion for Shadab. Him and Babar Azam surely have correct ages. Not to be racist, but the fake ages are more common among players of Pashtun descent and not as common in Punjabis.

Shadab is from Mianwali and very likely of Niazi Pashtun descent
 
Shadab will become a superstar and one of the best allrounders in the world in all formats.
Rashid can never become a superstar playing for minnows.

Shakib is a superstar playing for a team that was awful till the past 2 years

No reason why rashid can't be a superstar, especially if Afghanistan get full member status. I hope they do, the people of Afghanistan deserve it
 
Both are 18 but one is older as in one region of the world they count 400 days in a year.
 
Shadab is from Mianwali and very likely of Niazi Pashtun descent

Majority of the "Pashtuns" in Mianwali are originally Arabs. They used to live in central Afghanistan "Baraki Barak district, Logar province" at the time of Sultan Mahmood Ghaznazi and some later relocated to Mianwali.

Both players have bright future and its too soon for a compression.

BTW - Rashid did very well in the BPL
 
Mighty impressive performance by Rashid vs the Irish in a First Class match. 8 wickets in the match, with a 5fer in the first innings.
 
Shadab will become a superstar and one of the best allrounders in the world in all formats.
Rashid can never become a superstar playing for minnows.

Calm down with the hype. The kid has just started his career. You will be the first one to call for his head if he does not become a superstar.
 
The way internationals work these days, I never really doubt age but that Afghan guy looksl ike a 40 year old. It reminds me of an Afghan "kid" who came to my secondary school and he once admitted he was 22 or 21 or whatever he said. We were all 14 or 15 at time and always wondered why he looked so old lol
 
Shadab is miles ahead of Rashid at the moment, the way he bowled today, it's just world class, faced sledging from someone who has won 2 world t20 titles, and defeated him and the WI
 
The way internationals work these days, I never really doubt age but that Afghan guy looksl ike a 40 year old. It reminds me of an Afghan "kid" who came to my secondary school and he once admitted he was 22 or 21 or whatever he said. We were all 14 or 15 at time and always wondered why he looked so old lol

agreed

rashid khan looks way older than shadab
 
The way internationals work these days, I never really doubt age but that Afghan guy looksl ike a 40 year old. It reminds me of an Afghan "kid" who came to my secondary school and he once admitted he was 22 or 21 or whatever he said. We were all 14 or 15 at time and always wondered why he looked so old lol

Haha, that's sounds like a funny experience. But yeah, true. If we need to keep an age gap of at least 3 years for Pakistani cricketers, then it must be at least 5-7 years for Afghan cricketers. I'm sure Rashid is at least 25. But anyway, that is not the crux of this thread. I'm holding both of them to be 18 and going by that, who do you think is the better leggie? Both have performed brilliantly.

They seem to be getting better with every game. Rashid has really impressed me with his First Class performances. Got a 12fer against England lions in debut even though all those lads play county and got a 7fer vs the Irish only in his second match (who also play high level county cricket).

Both these guys seem to be holding the weight of their teams bowling. Pakistan surely could not have won either of these games without Shadab and the same goes for Rashid, he's literally carrying the team on his bowling.
 
This is not a Pindi or Peshawar thing.

Shadab is a genuine 18 years old Boy.

From last 5 years PCB conducts bone density test of all Under 19, 17 and under 16 players before selection.

In last few years many players have been dropped from the camps and squads.


Jis baat ka pata na ho aewayeen mulki budnaami naheen kerni chaheeay :-//
 
Haha, that's sounds like a funny experience. But yeah, true. If we need to keep an age gap of at least 3 years for Pakistani cricketers, then it must be at least 5-7 years for Afghan cricketers. I'm sure Rashid is at least 25. But anyway, that is not the crux of this thread. I'm holding both of them to be 18 and going by that, who do you think is the better leggie? Both have performed brilliantly.

They seem to be getting better with every game. Rashid has really impressed me with his First Class performances. Got a 12fer against England lions in debut even though all those lads play county and got a 7fer vs the Irish only in his second match (who also play high level county cricket).

Both these guys seem to be holding the weight of their teams bowling. Pakistan surely could not have won either of these games without Shadab and the same goes for Rashid, he's literally carrying the team on his bowling.

I don't think Pakistani players now have the luxury of fake birth dates as they might have done 30 years ago or so. It's a lot more regulated these days.

BUT if we are holding them both as 18 lol then I think Rashid Khan has had the better career thus far...mainly because it's been the longer career. Shadab however looks to be the more skileld of the two and at such a young age, the loop and turn he gets and the maturity he has to maintain his line in tight situations is very impressive.

Either way, we shouldn't get too carried away. Shah is still Pakistan's best leggie in a generation and he has the test spot (should stil get a shout in ODIs with Sarfraz's more dynamic captaincy). Heck, Shah is the best leggy on the planet. Shadab is some way off that for now.
 
This is not a Pindi or Peshawar thing.

Shadab is a genuine 18 years old Boy.

From last 5 years PCB conducts bone density test of all Under 19, 17 and under 16 players before selection.

In last few years many players have been dropped from the camps and squads.


Jis baat ka pata na ho aewayeen mulki budnaami naheen kerni chaheeay :-//

I agree with this post!

Although a bone density test isn't a good idea because some guys just have naturally denser bones at a younger age. We have to understand that everyone develops at varying rates.
 
I don't think Pakistani players now have the luxury of fake birth dates as they might have done 30 years ago or so. It's a lot more regulated these days.

BUT if we are holding them both as 18 lol then I think Rashid Khan has had the better career thus far...mainly because it's been the longer career. Shadab however looks to be the more skileld of the two and at such a young age, the loop and turn he gets and the maturity he has to maintain his line in tight situations is very impressive.

Either way, we shouldn't get too carried away. Shah is still Pakistan's best leggie in a generation and he has the test spot (should stil get a shout in ODIs with Sarfraz's more dynamic captaincy). Heck, Shah is the best leggy on the planet. Shadab is some way off that for now.

Agreed. One bad series, or even two bad series shouldn't write him off. Shah is a terrific leggie and we as fans are too impatient. We want players to have good matches all the time, every time. - That's not how it works. I love how Indians fans are much more patient. The fact that they persisted with the likes of Sharma, Ashwin and Jadega through their bad patches, in fact bad careers at the start is awesome. Even Kohli. He has bad series, just like this one but they never think for a second before calling him the best batter they have. Yasir is our way forward.

Anyway, I'm sorry man but the case is just as bad. Maybe the kids born after 2010 may be a difference case but most guys, especially of Pashtun descent have their dates wrong. Some guys I've met are even 5-6 years older! But then there's guys with not a single year difference, like Imad Wasim, Shan Masood, Umar Amin, Wahab Riaz or even Misbah Ul Haq.
 
This is not a Pindi or Peshawar thing.

Shadab is a genuine 18 years old Boy.

From last 5 years PCB conducts bone density test of all Under 19, 17 and under 16 players before selection.

In last few years many players have been dropped from the camps and squads.


Jis baat ka pata na ho aewayeen mulki budnaami naheen kerni chaheeay :-//

Brother I agree. But exactly how accurate is bone testing? And anyway, I have a friend who was selected for the Under 17 team and toured to AUSTRALIA but his age was around 3 years older in real life.
 
also I'm not too sure about how clean is Rashid's action, kinda looks suspicious to me, I won't be surprised if he gets banned, his arm bends more than usual leggies

Couple of things:

1) Bowling with a bent arm is OK.

2) It's almost impossible to chuck a leg-break unless you are making a concerted effort to throw it.
 
Not a fair comparison.

Why?

Because Shadab Khan is wayyyyyyy better! Yes, he really is.

And he'll get better in the system he plays in. Rashid will be forgotten soon.
 
Agreed. One bad series, or even two bad series shouldn't write him off. Shah is a terrific leggie and we as fans are too impatient. We want players to have good matches all the time, every time. - That's not how it works. I love how Indians fans are much more patient. The fact that they persisted with the likes of Sharma, Ashwin and Jadega through their bad patches, in fact bad careers at the start is awesome. Even Kohli. He has bad series, just like this one but they never think for a second before calling him the best batter they have. Yasir is our way forward.

Anyway, I'm sorry man but the case is just as bad. Maybe the kids born after 2010 may be a difference case but most guys, especially of Pashtun descent have their dates wrong. Some guys I've met are even 5-6 years older! But then there's guys with not a single year difference, like Imad Wasim, Shan Masood, Umar Amin, Wahab Riaz or even Misbah Ul Haq.

The Indian fans and media absolutely hammered the likes of Jadeja and even Kohli as a non test player but the key difference is that the board and coaches stuck with these guys because they knew they could come good. Hvaing said that, Jadeja isnt exactly a titan of the game lol

Oh and i'm not saying people in Pakistan in day to day life can't get away with changing their age, I'm sure they can but within sporting circles, it just doesn't happen these days. There are many more checks etc.

I remember many years ago everyone kept labelling Afridi's age as fake, I'm sure there's still some that do now but my cousin in Karachi went to the same school and was in the same year group. He is also 37 or 38 now, same as Afridi.

Sadly, many pakistanis like to drag their own country and players through the dirt. I will never understand that.
 
Couple of things:

1) Bowling with a bent arm is OK.

2) It's almost impossible to chuck a leg-break unless you are making a concerted effort to throw it.

You can chuck a leg break if you have an off spinner's action. I got caught for chucking my leg break :narine.
 
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Leggis mature with age. I think Shadab is 19 or may be 20; but not 23; while Rashid is at least 23, may be even 25 - therefore it's inconclusive still. As of now, Shadab looks more lethal for his google which almost unidentifiable; while Rashid turns lot. Next 3/4 years can decide who'll end where - in that regard, Shadab has better chance because of the environment around & the mentors he should accompanied by.

Did you saw Shadab's leggys in 2nd and fourth T20? - He is not one trick pony, he has bowled some mesmerizing leg breaks, the likes of which we have not seen from our frontline spinner Yasir in ODI or T20. Yasir does not spin the ball that much, his main weapon is control. Not to mention his googlie is already top notch, which is most difficult ball to master for leggy...This guy is also fast learner, bowled too quick and all over the place in third T20 (I think its because team wants to take him wicket every ball, he tried too much and end up loosing the basics), came back with calm and control, slowed down his pace and focused on hitting the right length...

Its all upto Pakistani management how to polish and nurture him. He looks so dam good, even in PSL he was easily best leggy in the entire tournament. Also, his talent does not stop there, he is an excellent fielder and more than decent with bat, package like that is rare in Pakistan, well maybe rare anywhere in the world!!
 
to me Rashid khan is better bowler, yes Shadab looks bright future. Looking bowling against westindies team actually nothing much prove of him specially on T20 formats. What i've seen so far Shadab has very sharp quick googly and controll over the ball, he is very quich after ball pitced on the crease. Shadab is young and long way to go. Rashid khan is very cunny bowler plus he has lots of variations.
 
Post some clips of your bowling in the My Cricket section, I need to see this now :junaid

its possible

raw lewis the wi leg spinner of late 90s used to bent his arm a bit too much. I mean if you bend your arm too much then you will get extra spin the way lewis used to bend it( not calling him a chucker, i am saying that if someone bowled with his style and he bent his arm more than lewis used to bend his arm)
 
Both are great but lol at underestimating Rashid Khan

Was a brilliant performer in world T20, VS Bangladesh in ODI series, BPL and of course destroyed Ireland.
 
Rashid khan is head and shoulder above Shadab khan from preliminary inspection by me.
 
Rashid definitely.

Although his age is a complete joke (18 years and 100 days lmao) he's an absolute world class spinner. Would make the line up of every ODI and t20 team in the world in my opinion, and he's a handy batsman as well. Will tear up the IPL this year if given the chances
 
Some friendly advice

Don't mention fixing etc on this thread.
 
shadab needs to play at least 30 matches before being compared with rashid
 
Will be seeing Rashid Khan play for the Sunrisers today. They are bowling now. Lets see when he's brought on. This will be his biggest test and we will be able to watch him very closely. He is playing on perhaps the biggest platform in world cricket and he surely will be scrutinized very carefully. Lets see what happens.
 
Will be seeing Rashid Khan play for the Sunrisers today. They are bowling now. Lets see when he's brought on. This will be his biggest test and we will be able to watch him very closely. He is playing on perhaps the biggest platform in world cricket and he surely will be scrutinized very carefully. Lets see what happens.

Though RCB is missing ABD/Kohli, their batting lineup is still better than the WI lineup that Shadab bowled.
 
Rashid Khan looks like a very good bowler in the making, he will learn a lot from this IPL... A very good moment for Afghans...He does not look 18, but frankly who cares about age, important thing is he has talent, its up to him to make most of opportunity given to him....Both Rashid and Shadab are exciting and good news for Leg Break bowling, now Chucker era is over, leggys are back in action !!
 
Rashid Khan looks like a very good bowler in the making, he will learn a lot from this IPL... A very good moment for Afghans...He does not look 18, but frankly who cares about age, important thing is he has talent, its up to him to make most of opportunity given to him....Both Rashid and Shadab are exciting and good news for Leg Break bowling, now Chucker era is over, leggys are back in action !!

Based on the little snippet i saw of Rashid, Shadab is much better but Rashid may have been nervous.
 
Based on the little snippet i saw of Rashid, Shadab is much better but Rashid may have been nervous.
They are both good and are making leg break cool again, good to see such a control at young age...Playing in IPL is a big plus for Rashid, today was first match, he will be calm in future... We don't have to behave like 5 years old, that my shirt is more shinny, so I win ;-)

Weather we like it or not, not playing IPL/BBL has big impact on development of Pakistani talent, weather be power hitting, fast bowlers or spinners...There is a reason we are consistently in the bottom tier of LOIs, we never fell this low on consistent basis at any time before league cricket...This issue has to be addressed apart from other things for us to rise again!!
 
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