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"Ravi Ashwin is basically the Don Bradman of bowling" : Steve Waugh

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MONACO: Former Australia skipper Steve Waugh has described off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin as the 'Don Bradman of bowling' and said that he is the player the Australian team would need to overcome during its upcoming tour of India.

Set to play a four-Test series against India starting on February 23 in Pune, Waugh felt the Australian team would have to keep calm under pressure and find ways to deal with Ashwin's bowling.

"Ashwin is basically the Bradman of bowling. What he is doing is quite incredible. I think he is the player we have to overcome. The Australians would have to look at ways to overcome Ashwin's bowling. If Aussies can do that then we will have a chance. The guys need to stay calm under pressure," said Waugh.

Heaping praise on the Indian off-spinner, Waugh said: "The way he is playing at the moment, he is going to break a number of records. Ashwin's statistics are just mindboggling."

The 51-year-old legendary batsman said that it would be a difficult series for Australia as India are a very settled side and Virat Kohli's captaincy is contagious.

"India are playing very well at the moment and are a very settled side. Everyone is very comfortable in their roles.

They are also playing a lot at home. It is very hard to beat them at home and that has been proved in the last couple of years," said Waugh during an interaction before the start of the Laureus Worlds Sports Awards.

"Virat Kohli's leadership is also very contagious. The Indian players feel positive and they feel they can do anything. It seems that the new Team India can achieve anything," he added.

Waugh, however, felt that writing off the Australian team, as Sourav Ganguly had recently said, would be completely "foolish".

"Australia will provide a pretty good test to the formidable Indian side. There are players that India do not know much about and that would work to Aussies' advantage. The first Test will be very important. If the Aussies can get off to a good start and do well in the opening Test match, you never know. Anything can happen.

"We have the potential to change our side after the first two Tests. If we do well in the first Test, we may spring a surprise. We might also be able to provide an upset," insisted Waugh.

"The senior players need to do well and that is going to be a challenge in the opening Test. We have some match winners in our team. Sourav's been a bit optimistic there."

Waugh said he could not understand why Australia's recent performances in overseas series had been so dismal.

"I don't know the reason. It is a global game. You have neutral umpires. There are no excuses not to play well away from home anymore. Maybe it is a mind thing. The very thought that you are playing away from home may be playing in their minds. Don't know the reason why they have not been doing well overseas.

"We always used to enjoy playing overseas earlier as there is less pressure as you are away from the home crowd, family, friends and the media. And you can relax."

Waugh hoped that Australia will do better than England, who were beaten 4-0 in the five-match Test series.

"You have to be positive. England missed a trick in the first Test. If you have got injuries, you can't sit back. You got to be positive. England should have won that first Test but they couldn't and lost the momentum after that. Virat Kohli started doing well and then there was a Tsunami of support."

The World Cup-winning former captain expressed confidence that David Warner would do well in big-ticket series irrespective of whether Australia win or lose.

"David Warner is an amazing player. He is someone who has redefined the role of opening batting. He will be facing Ashwin and that will test him. It will be interesting to watch. He doesn't care about reputation, always backs himself and doesn't get nervous. It will be a really good series.Whether Australia win or compete, Warner is going to score a lot of runs," concluded the skipper.

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That is way over the top compliment for any player! Ashwin is good on the way to be one of the all time greats, but Bradman.. naaaah.
 
Ashwin may end up breaking muralitharans record and on top of that he is a very good test batsman as well.
 
So Australia need to reinvent batting version of Bodyline to overcome Ashwin? :13:
 
The biggest home track bully, to be truly great bowler he need to end his career with atleast sub 30 overall average in Aus, SA, Eng and Nz, otherwise just a good bowler who used the home conditions to perfection.
 
So does this mean we're going to have Indian posters coming in here trying to discredit all of Ashwin's achievements?
 
Has there even ever been a "Bradman of bowling"? ie - someone who statistically towers - like an aberration - far ahead of the rest?
 
Indian media is full of lies, I won't put it past them to made stuff up, like the post yesterday about a 150 kph bowler who actually bowls in the 130s
 
He is very good even better than kumble in helpful conditions but is very very average in flat hard surfaces like aus, sa and even in indian flat tracks. He tries too many things when nothing is happening and goes for runs when he has to do a containing job and practically of no help in those sort of pitches.

On what i am seeing of his performance in flat tracks i dont think he will be any good in aus, sa where the ball doesn't turn and he is not a containing bowler.

I will be very happy in accepting humble pie if he dramatically improves his performance in sa, eng and aus
 
So does that mean like Bradman, he has only performed against a single team? Or in other words...just on home pitches?
 
Imran Tahir is the number ODI and T20 bowler who bowls mainly on spin unfriendly wickets in South Africa. Ashwin applies his trade mainly on spin friendly wickets
 
The biggest home track bully, to be truly great bowler he need to end his career with atleast sub 30 overall average in Aus, SA, Eng and Nz, otherwise just a good bowler who used the home conditions to perfection.

Which basically means he has to be good in every country otherwise he would be just a good bowler?

Even Murali and Warne were not good in at least 2 countries. Murali with avg of 75 in Aus and 45 in Ind, Warne with avg of 43 in Ind and 39 in WI and they are probably greatest bowlers in history of game.
 
He will end up as the greatest test bowler of India overtaking Kumble.

Kumble is not the greatest test bowler of Asia

In some ways Ashwin has already overtaken Kumble His dominance at home is arguably greater than Kumble's. Away th jury is out and I personally think Ashwin will do well on his next round of tours. But even if he doesnt his competition is Kumble who was a useless vegetable outside Asia until his last few tours
 
Kumble is not the greatest test bowler of Asia

In some ways Ashwin has already overtaken Kumble His dominance at home is arguably greater than Kumble's. Away th jury is out and I personally think Ashwin will do well on his next round of tours. But even if he doesnt his competition is Kumble who was a useless vegetable outside Asia until his last few tours

"He will end up as the greatest test bowler of India overtaking Kumble."
 
Kumble is not the greatest test bowler of Asia

In some ways Ashwin has already overtaken Kumble His dominance at home is arguably greater than Kumble's. Away th jury is out and I personally think Ashwin will do well on his next round of tours. But even if he doesnt his competition is Kumble who was a useless vegetable outside Asia until his last few tours

Who is the best asian bowler? Murali? He is also poor outside asia other than England i think and he is dismal in aus and ind any way
 
"He will end up as the greatest test bowler of India overtaking Kumble."

I think he has already proven himself better than Kumble, the only thing for him his to continue in this vein.

Hoping he gets to 300 in Australia series , tho its a big big stretch to think of! :)
 
Bradman of bowling sure as hell showed his class in Australia, England and South Africa :lol
 
I think he has already proven himself better than Kumble, the only thing for him his to continue in this vein.

Hoping he gets to 300 in Australia series , tho its a big big stretch to think of! :)

Ashwin is picking up wickets at such a solid pace all this while he has to contend with sharing the ball with Jadeja and Mishra/Jayant Yadav

I expect him to pick 20-30 wickets in 4 tests, 40 or more is way OTT.
 
Overstatement, but he is about three times as good as Yasir. Tremendous bowler, and better than Kumble already in my opinion.

We are watching an ATG bowler and all-rounder in the making. Could overtake Imran Khan as the best Asian all-rounder if he does well overseas in the future.
 
Overstatement, but he is about three times as good as Yasir. Tremendous bowler, and better than Kumble already in my opinion.

We are watching an ATG bowler and all-rounder in the making. Could overtake Imran Khan as the best Asian all-rounder if he does well overseas in the future.

He is better than kumble as of now but i am not still convinced of his bowling on flat pitches.

He reminds me of jimmy Anderson of old who was toothless outside of eng and his body language is not at all good in unfavorable conditions
 
He was excellent in both Chennai 2nd innings and Hyderabad 2nd innings where both the pitches were still pattas on day 5.

1st innings, he needs work.

Needs to spin the ball more. Also needs to practice and use carrom more to put doubt in batsmen's minds.
 
Ashwin may end up breaking muralitharans record and on top of that he is a very good test batsman as well.

Impossible, he'll be 31 in September and is still 550 wickets shy of the mark.

He will have to play until he is 45 or something
 
He is better than kumble as of now but i am not still convinced of his bowling on flat pitches.

He reminds me of jimmy Anderson of old who was toothless outside of eng and his body language is not at all good in unfavorable conditions


Like Kohli, he will conquer all the challenges that people think he won't be able to. India are lucky that they have two ATGs in their side who are only entering their peak years now.

Kohli and Ashwin will ensure India's dominance in Test cricket for the next 5-6 years at least. It is a wonderful time to be an Indian fan. On the other hand, our cricket is a big joke. Mediocre across all formats, can't host matches at home, match-fixing, chucking, conspiracy theories and similar BS. Total disaster Pakistan cricket is.
 
Steve Waught has lost it. Ashiwn is a good bowler, probably the best spinner at the moment, but Bradman of bowling? That is either exaggeration or Waugh is indirectly taunting Warne who was at least thrice the bowler than Ashwin will ever be.
 
Overstatement, but he is about three times as good as Yasir. Tremendous bowler, and better than Kumble already in my opinion.

We are watching an ATG bowler and all-rounder in the making. Could overtake Imran Khan as the best Asian all-rounder if he does well overseas in the future.

Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.
 
Exaggeration from Waugh here, but many posters underrate Ashwin. He needs to have a good impact in couple of away series in different conditions, but he has bowled pretty well on even flat surfaces.
 
Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.

Can't compare batsmen with bowlers.

Check ICC rankings. Many batsmen (probably 7-8) in top 15 average over 50 in test cricket. However number of bowlers averaging below 25 would be 3-4 (Steyn, Philander, Jadeja and Rabada). Although Rabada doesnt have many wickets.
 
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Steve Waught has lost it. Ashiwn is a good bowler, probably the best spinner at the moment, but Bradman of bowling? That is either exaggeration or Waugh is indirectly taunting Warne who was at least thrice the bowler than Ashwin will ever be.

Steve is taking a dig at warne in response to warne jibes on steve
 
Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.

He is the younis khan equivalent in indian team.
 
Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.

YK career and end end result is done and dusted. Ashwin may or may not go down as ATG, but his bullying in Asia is at different level than YK's bullying in Asia. I won't compare these two when it comes to bullying teams in Asia.

Ashwin has some way to go for ATG etc.
 
He is the younis khan equivalent in indian team.

Ashwin - 32 tests in Asia with 22 5-fers and 7 10-fers. If you want to put a batsman's numbers in 32 tests in Asia then what numbers would you put to match it?
 
Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.

You will find as many or more Indian fans that say he still has some distance left to be atg than those who say he is already one.His sample set outside Asia is very low and Indians are aware of it.
 
Can't compare batsmen with bowlers.

Check ICC rankings. Many batsmen (probably 7-8) in top 15 average over 50 in test cricket. However number of bowlers averaging below 25 would be 3-4 (Steyn, Philander, Jadeja and Rabada). Although Rabada doesnt have many wickets.

I do not see any connection here. How is a batsman bullying bowlers in his home conditions different from a bowler bullying batsmen in conditions that suit him?
 
Ashwin - 32 tests in Asia with 22 5-fers and 7 10-fers. If you want to put a batsman's numbers in 32 tests in Asia then what numbers would you put to match it?

a fifer should be equated to a century, and 10 fer for a double! What do you think?
 
You will find as many or more Indian fans that say he still has some distance left to be atg than those who say he is already one.His sample set outside Asia is very low and Indians are aware of it.

That's a fair assessment. I like Ashwin and he might end up as an ATG but he is not there yet. Need more performances outside Asia.
 
YK career and end end result is done and dusted. Ashwin may or may not go down as ATG, but his bullying in Asia is at different level than YK's bullying in Asia. I won't compare these two when it comes to bullying teams in Asia.

Ashwin has some way to go for ATG etc.

In last 3 years, Younis averages almost 69 in Asia with 9 100s and 3 50s in just 17 matches. In UAE alone, he has 6 100s in just 10 matches. Against Australia, he hit 3 100s in 2 matches.

Younis the batsman in Asia is certainly comparable to Ashwin the bowler in Asia.
 
In last 3 years, Younis averages almost 69 in Asia with 9 100s and 3 50s in just 17 matches. In UAE alone, he has 6 100s in just 10 matches. Against Australia, he hit 3 100s in 2 matches.

Younis the batsman in Asia is certainly comparable to Ashwin the bowler in Asia.

Even, if I take his entire career, Younis averages 58 in Asia in 75 matches with 27 100s and 19 50s.
 
Lol a bit of an exaggeration from Waugh. But Ashwin is on his way to becoming an ATG. He has performed on some flat surfaces in India, need to see how he performs outside of the subcontinent.
 
Younis Khan performs in Asia and has a decent record outside, still not an ATG.

Ashwin bullies teams in Asia and has a nothing record outside Asia, yet is an ATG in the making.

Younis doesn't have the ATG vibe, and his career is already pretty much over. On the other hand, Ashwin looks like a player who will be talked about for generations to come. Like Kohli, I expect him to conquer all challenges that come his way.
 
Bradman in Asian conditions which itself is a great compliment..

Has to perform overseas though.

An ATG in making.Also a very decent batsmen.
 
Like Kohli, he will conquer all the challenges that people think he won't be able to. India are lucky that they have two ATGs in their side who are only entering their peak years now.

Kohli and Ashwin will ensure India's dominance in Test cricket for the next 5-6 years at least. It is a wonderful time to be an Indian fan. On the other hand, our cricket is a big joke. Mediocre across all formats, can't host matches at home, match-fixing, chucking, conspiracy theories and similar BS. Total disaster Pakistan cricket is.

Nothing to do with cricket - not PCB's fault so not sure why people bring it up.

We also have potential ATG's.

Babar is one followed by Haris Sohail. Shehzad can become one too if he grabs his chances now. Azhar is already a borderline ATG on a level just below that of Kohli.
 
Younis doesn't have the ATG vibe, and his career is already pretty much over. On the other hand, Ashwin looks like a player who will be talked about for generations to come. Like Kohli, I expect him to conquer all challenges that come his way.

Once again a throwaway comment with no basis behind it at all. Younis Khan averages 50+, with a balanced record all over the world, 10,000 runs with several legendary innings and has received plaudits from all directions. He's an ATG, whether you like it or not.

Ashwin has been a nobody outside of India. Nothing to speak of except for dismantling a weak Sri Lanka, something that Shah also did. Hell, South Africa under Amla beat them without even needing a spinner.
 
Ashwin is currently the Bradman of winning series.

He has been the MoS in 7 of his 16 test series, or 44% (after one full set of home and away series).

Imran and Malcolm Marshall are the next best at 28%.


As a matchwinner, the likes of Amla and Younis Khan cannot even lace his boots despite all the protestations from billoo.
 
If Pak fans reactions are anything to go by ,it feels like Ashwin is the Younis Khan of bowling
 
Only thing stopping Indian dominance in Asia is Ashwin injury..

Scary how much they depend on him
 
Ashwin - 32 tests in Asia with 22 5-fers and 7 10-fers. If you want to put a batsman's numbers in 32 tests in Asia then what numbers would you put to match it?

22 hundreds with 7 double hundreds in them:)
 
Nothing to do with cricket - not PCB's fault so not sure why people bring it up.

We also have potential ATG's.

Babar is one followed by Haris Sohail. Shehzad can become one too if he grabs his chances now. Azhar is already a borderline ATG on a level just below that of Kohli.

Babar- Yes; Haris- No; Shehzad- Are you kidding me; Azhar- In tests Yes. These days you have to perform in all formats though
 
Even, if I take his entire career, Younis averages 58 in Asia in 75 matches with 27 100s and 19 50s.

Compare that with what Ashwin has done in Asia in just 32 tests. Double it and add some more if he keeps the trajectory.
 
a fifer should be equated to a century, and 10 fer for a double! What do you think?

22 hundreds with 7 double hundreds in them:)

So do we have any Asian batsmen with 22 tons with 7 double ton in them in 30 odd tests in Asia? Forget about YK, I doubt that there is any batting equivalent if we go by what you guys are coming as equivalent of Ashwin's performance by a batsman. I personally don't know if you can compare that way.
 
Ashwin is currently the Bradman of winning series.

He has been the MoS in 7 of his 16 test series, or 44% (after one full set of home and away series).

Imran and Malcolm Marshall are the next best at 28%.


As a matchwinner, the likes of Amla and Younis Khan cannot even lace his boots despite all the protestations from billoo.

This. He is pretty much the Sehwag of bowling, just better and improving all the time. The number of matches he wins on his own are insane.
 
So do we have any Asian batsmen with 22 tons with 7 double ton in them in 30 odd tests in Asia? Forget about YK, I doubt that there is any batting equivalent if we go by what you guys are coming as equivalent of Ashwin's performance by a batsman. I personally don't know if you can compare that way.

That's how they usually compare. 5fer = Hundred; 10 fer = double hundred or 2 hundreds.
 
This. He is pretty much the Sehwag of bowling, just better and improving all the time. The number of matches he wins on his own are insane.

In tests, bowlers win matches because most of the time you need 20 wickets to win. In ODI, it's mostly batsmen who win matches. Off course you need support from both to win, but bowler will always have more number of MOM in test and batsman will have more in ODI. In short, MOM shouldn't be the criterion to compare Ashwin with any batsman in the test format.
 
In tests, bowlers win matches because most of the time you need 20 wickets to win. In ODI, it's mostly batsmen who win matches. Off course you need support from both to win, but bowler will always have more number of MOM in test and batsman will have more in ODI. In short, MOM shouldn't be the criterion to compare Ashwin with any batsman in the test format.

I think he mentioned MOS. That's consistency across multiple games
 
That's how they usually compare. 5fer = Hundred; 10 fer = double hundred or 2 hundreds.

It's a close approximation. I am not too sure about it. But close enough if you want to compare.

Imagine a batsman scoring 67 tons and 22 double ton in them in the test format. That's what Murali did.
 
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