Ravindra Jadeja now ranked seventh in ICC Test Bowler rankings [Oct 2016]

[FreePalestine]

Thanks to India's square turning pitches, Mr. R. Jadeja is now the 7th best bowler in test cricket!! These guys are going to mess up all bowling stats with their ridiculous turners. Jadeja is not even the 7th best bowler in India, much less wc.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We are gonna mess up the bowling stats.

Deal with it.

 

[Slog]

When will our fans stop crying man!

This is getting annoying and makes the rest of us look like sore losers

 

[joly]

Earlier it was amir on those green pitches,now jadeja

 

[Saurav]

Yeah but Younis Khan is best batsman batting on UAE pitches against poor attacks

Cant have it both ways

 

[Mr. Lion]

We are gonna mess up the bowling stats.

Deal with it.

He's quite good, isn't he. Imo Jaddu is almost similar to Moeen. Both of them bowls at a pretty high speed.

 

[FreePalestine]

Yeah but Younis Khan is best batsman batting on UAE pitches against poor attacks

Cant have it both ways

man, YK has got hundreds all over the world.

I would compare Jadeja to Rahman, who was pretty good in the UAE, but would have been useless elsewhere. And in Rahman's case, I don't want it both ways, you can have him and Mr. Jadeja. What are Jadeja's performances outside of India like?

 

[Slog]

Yeah but Younis Khan is best batsman batting on UAE pitches against poor attacks

Cant have it both ways

Argument would hold if he didn't have multiple daddy hundreds all over the world

 

[FreePalestine]

Just out of interest: Are there any fans here who genuinely believe R.Jadeja is the 7th best bowler in world cricket? Not going to jump on any responses, just curious....

 

[Slog]

He's quite good, isn't he. Imo Jaddu is almost similar to Moeen. Both of them bowls at a pretty high speed.

Jaddu is way better than Moeen lol

Moeen is nothing more than a part timer

Hopefully India don't inexplicably fall to him this time and watch how Younis Khan and Misbah treated him with utter disdain in UAE and then England

 

[Slog]

Just out of interest: Are there any fans here who genuinely believe R.Jadeja is the 7th best bowler in world cricket? Not going to jump on any responses, just curious....

Doesn't matter

There's no conspiracy

Rankings follow a set procedure and are Sam for everyone

Over he course of time any anomalies are corrected. Hafeez was once ranked very highl too but it took care of itself soon enough

 

[Mr. Imperfect]

After they play more in Aus, Eng, SA and NZ, their stats will be back to earth

 

[Executioner]

Just because he is ranked no. 7 bowler in the world doesn't mean he is the 7th best bowler in the world.

Ranking states that as per performance in recent times, regardless of condition, opposition's quality and the importance of the match, Jaddu has better statistics compared to other players.

Al Amin Hossain from Bangladesh was ranked no 6 in the T20 bowling rankings. He is not even our 2nd best T20 bowler(Taskin and Fizz are well ahead). Also, if I remember, Shakib was ranked no. 8 in the same ranking which is acceptable as he is among the best in this format.

Rankings tell you only a part of the story.

 

[FreePalestine]

Doesn't matter

There's no conspiracy

Rankings follow a set procedure and are Sam for everyone

Over he course of time any anomalies are corrected. Hafeez was once ranked very highl too but it took care of itself soon enough

Lol, I don't think there is a conspiracy. Ranking procedures are the same for everyone, but conditions are not - that is the point. Nobody thinks there is a conspiracy... only you maybe.

 

[Saurav]

Argument would hold if he didn't have multiple daddy hundreds all over the world

Yeah wrong example maybe.But you get the drift

 

[Someguy]

That is nothing. According to indians jadeja is the best alrounder in world cricket.

 

[Buffet]

1st , 2nd or 7th rank doesn't mean that player is is 1st, 2nd or 7th best in the world. Player got to that ranking due to recent performances. If player is really top class then he will maintain high ranking for longer periods. Jadeja is not going to maintain top 10 ranking for long period. If he maintains then he deserves to be called top 10.

 

[Mr. Lion]

Thanks to India's square turning pitches, Mr. R. Jadeja is now the 7th best bowler in test cricket!! These guys are going to mess up all bowling stats with their ridiculous turners. Jadeja is not even the 7th best bowler in India, much less wc.

There's a reason why a batsman of azhar's has a 300 beside his name Man, history will remember the dreadful pitches of UAE, where anyone can score a daddy hundred.


There's no point in crying about turners because the only reason batters like azhar, shafiq or misbah have had decent average in last couple of years is mainly because of the phattas of UAE.

 

[JaDed]

Lol, I don't think there is a conspiracy. Ranking procedures are the same for everyone, but conditions are not - that is the point. Nobody thinks there is a conspiracy... only you maybe.

Stuart Broad's average in India is 145,40 in Bangladesh,66 in Lanka,26 in SA and England and 22 in UAE 30's in all other countries but you know he was actually ranked at the #1 not because he is the number 1 bowler but because at that particular point of time with his recent performances he was number 1.

 

[Someguy]

Indian team has to leave dust tracks and play outside to remind them of what happend in eng and australia. Instaed they will keep playing on doctored home pitches for the next 13 months to improve their stats and averages only to be thrashed again when they leave asia. This has been the state of indian cricket for a while now.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Good god, another thread on "unfair rankings". Guys, if we're good, we'll get the number 1 rank back, if we cant, then it's simple, we can't. No point whining.

 

[street cricketer]

NEVER EVER DOUBT SIR!!

 

[JibranAnsari]

Whats wrong with you man? No one even knew about it before you started this thread.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Thanks to India's square turning pitches, Mr. R. Jadeja is now the 7th best bowler in test cricket!! These guys are going to mess up all bowling stats with their ridiculous turners. Jadeja is not even the 7th best bowler in India, much less wc.

Only Ashwin, Bhuvi, Yasir, Anderson, Broad, Herath, Starc and Steyn are better bowlers than Jadeja atm.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Lol, I don't think there is a conspiracy. Ranking procedures are the same for everyone, but conditions are not - that is the point. Nobody thinks there is a conspiracy... only you maybe.

Which conditions are you talking about? India has been averaging 40 in home matches since Jadeja's debut? That's like 400 in each inning. What do you want them to do? Prepare pitches where they average 50 or 500 per inning and considering lower scores in 2nd inn, you want them to have pitches with 700-800 first score?

So, you are unhappy with Jadeja padding his stats on flat pitches and now you want him to bowl in on flatter ones?

 

[Buffet]

Only Ashwin, Bhuvi, Yasir, Anderson, Broad, Herath, Starc and Steyn are better bowlers than Jadeja atm.

So in your opinion, Jadeja will be the first name in team sheet for NZ team, right?

 

[AlizeeFan]

Indian team has to leave dust tracks and play outside to remind them of what happend in eng and australia. Instaed they will keep playing on doctored home pitches for the next 13 months to improve their stats and averages only to be thrashed again when they leave asia. This has been the state of indian cricket for a while now.

Yeah they should stop playing on flat pitches.

 

[AlizeeFan]

So in your opinion, Jadeja will be the first name in team sheet for NZ team, right?

He can definitely first choice bowler for the team in Ind, UAE, SL, Bangladesh, WI. Will easily get into team for England and SA series.

 

[Buffet]

He can definitely first choice bowler for the team in Ind, UAE, SL, Bangladesh, WI. Will easily get into team for England and SA series.

Jadeja may not even play for NZ let alone being the first name in the team sheet for NZ. NZ doesn't bulk of their matches in conditions where Jadeja will be useless.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Jadeja may not even play for NZ let alone being the first name in the team sheet for NZ. NZ doesn't bulk of their matches in conditions where Jadeja will be useless.

NZ have 15 matches in WI, Ind, UAE, Bang, Zim and SL in last 4 years. Jadeja would easily be first bowler for those 15 matches. 8 matches in Eng and SA where he can be first choice spinner. 23 matches and that's 62% of matches NZ have played in last 4 years.

 

[soso_killer]

When will our fans stop crying man!

This is getting annoying and makes the rest of us look like sore losers

The OP has a point though, the decks dished out in India are not acceptable. They're deplorable.

 

[soso_killer]

Yeah but Younis Khan is best batsman batting on UAE pitches against poor attacks

Cant have it both ways

YK has just scored a double ton in England to help his team draw a series there. Australia haven't come away with a result in that country in 14 years.
For an Asian side to do that over a lengthy series is an achievement.

When players actually perform away, especially win matches then they can be given leeway.
YK is a seasoned campaigner, it's very poor of you to mention him next to a nobody like Jadeja.

 

[Napa]

The OP has a point though, the decks dished out in India are not acceptable. They're deplorable.

It is the same for both teams, so it is all fair. If SA had better spinners they would have been able to take advantage of the pitches the same way India did. It is not India's fault that SA did not have spinners who can bowl like Jadeja.

 

[soso_killer]

Just out of interest: Are there any fans here who genuinely believe R.Jadeja is the 7th best bowler in world cricket? Not going to jump on any responses, just curious....

Jadeja himself knows he's not the 7th best bowler in India never mind the world

 

[soso_killer]

Just because he is ranked no. 7 bowler in the world doesn't mean he is the 7th best bowler in the world.

Ranking states that as per performance in recent times, regardless of condition, opposition's quality and the importance of the match, Jaddu has better statistics compared to other players.

Al Amin Hossain from Bangladesh was ranked no 6 in the T20 bowling rankings. He is not even our 2nd best T20 bowler(Taskin and Fizz are well ahead). Also, if I remember, Shakib was ranked no. 8 in the same ranking which is acceptable as he is among the best in this format.

Rankings tell you only a part of the story.

you seem to rate Shakib very highly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The OP has a point though, the decks dished out in India are not acceptable. They're deplorable.

What's wrong with those decks? Knows no dance, claims the stage is tilted.

 

[Sachin136]

Jadeja himself knows he's not the 7th best bowler in India never mind the world

Then why aren't we playing those 6 bowlers instead of Jadeja? Apart from Ashwin and maybe Shami, Jadeja is our best bowler.

 

[FreePalestine]

What's wrong with those decks? Knows no dance, claims the stage is tilted.

I am not sure how it would go, but I think Pak v India would definitely be a match between the two best spin (bowling, batting) teams in world cricket! Would be a tasty contest. Pak favourites in UAE, my gut says we could win in India but my gut is Pakistani.

 

[Haroon786]

NEVER EVER DOUBT SIR!!

He's got more triple hundreds than someone like Hafeez can make in his dreams.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Lol, I don't think there is a conspiracy. Ranking procedures are the same for everyone, but conditions are not - that is the point. Nobody thinks there is a conspiracy... only you maybe.

Yes that is true but rather than blaming the rankings. Pakistan have Yasir and co. prepare pitches like India does and dominate those bowling rankings, no one is stopping you.

Like Slog said its getting annoying how people here are on mission to downplay Indian spinners, the moment there is thread about Ashwin or Jadeja, certain posters derail it with their same rant over and over and over about how India has turning pitches. Deal with it.

It wont change.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I am not sure how it would go, but I think Pak v India would definitely be a match between the two best spin (bowling, batting) teams in world cricket! Would be a tasty contest. Pak favourites in UAE, my gut says we could win in India but my gut is Pakistani.

In UAE it will be a 0-0 draw because both sides will bat deep on flat pitches.

In India if India go with pitches like SA series, dayumn now that would be fun to watch. Pakistan has shown it is susceptible to spin from time to time if YK or Misbah don't have a good day. India aren't really the same force against spin anymore.

However I'd give India the edge because we have 2 spinners for this condition while Yasir is a lone force. And our batting is deep with Jaddu at #8 and BK at #9.

 

[Red Devil]

NZ have 15 matches in WI, Ind, UAE, Bang, Zim and SL in last 4 years. Jadeja would easily be first bowler for those 15 matches. 8 matches in Eng and SA where he can be first choice spinner. 23 matches and that's 62% of matches NZ have played in last 4 years.

Jadeja would be harmless on those lifeless UAE tracks.

 

[ExplicitAI]

There's a reason why a batsman of azhar's has a 300 beside his name Man, history will remember the dreadful pitches of UAE, where anyone can score a daddy hundred.


There's no point in crying about turners because the only reason batters like azhar, shafiq or misbah have had decent average in last couple of years is mainly because of the phattas of UAE.

Then again you can say the same thing about Rohit scoring his ODI double hundred against Aus on a ground which was the same size as a hula-hoop.

 

[Energetic]

Player rankings for each format should be scrapped. They should've an overall ranking across all forms taking all things into account including opposition and conditions playing under. For example, Ben Stokes 85 against Bangladesh recently is basically more than 5x better than scoring that on a batting friendly track.

 

[JaDed]

Then again you can say the same thing about Rohit scoring his ODI double hundred against Aus on a ground which was the same size as a hula-hoop.

You will hardly see Indian fans rating the double hundreds by Rohit.

 

[Bilal7]

He's a mediocre spinner at best, not much better than our very own Zulfiqar Babar even at his advanced age. Babar was the better spinner in his prime.

It's not surprising to see Jadeja up there though. I'm sure even Harmer and Tahir would be in the top ten if they were lucky enough to play on the 'pitches' of India.

 

[Itachi]

Whats wrong with you man? No one even knew about it before you started this thread.

I'll agree. I came to know only because of this thread lol.

 

[Executioner]

you seem to rate Shakib very highly.

He has been the only world class genuine all-rounder in the last 6 years.
And the key has been that he has been at the top consistently.

Though he is genuine all-rounder he is world class with the ball and a bit of a hack with the bat but effective

 

[Sachin136]

You will hardly see Indian fans rating the double hundreds by Rohit.

Not rating a feat which has only been achieved 6 times in ODIs is ridiculous.

 

[OS_89]

If Jadeja's wickets carry less weight because of the pitches he's played on in India, don't the runs scored by Indian batsmen in the same conditions count for much more that their actual statistics? But no, no one will give credit to the Indian batsmen either because screw logic.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

If Jadeja's wickets carry less weight because of the pitches he's played on in India, don't the runs scored by Indian batsmen in the same conditions count for much more that their actual statistics? But no, no one will give credit to the Indian batsmen either because screw logic.

Most Indian test batsmen are rated very highly here.

 

[Spidy201]

rankings are based on recent performance, wasn't philander ranked number one or two in world for some time? no one said he has to prove his worth. outside those green mambas. why only Indian/asians have to prove there worth in alien conditions but not for others?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He's a mediocre spinner at best, not much better than our very own Zulfiqar Babar even at his advanced age. Babar was the better spinner in his prime.

It's not surprising to see Jadeja up there though. I'm sure even Harmer and Tahir would be in the top ten if they were lucky enough to play on the 'pitches' of India.

Yes just like how you said Abdur Rehman is much better than Ashwin in 2013.

Harmer, Tahir and others only clicked in rank turners. They averaged awful (50-70) when they got normal pitches in SA series (Delhi and Bangalore) where Jaddu averaged 15.

 

[soso_killer]

Why does Bangalore keep on being mentioned?
I don't get, the match didn't even go the distance.

Another way of manipulation is looking at stats of batsmen who batted twice in the last Test, not many averaged above 40. What does that mean?

 

[soso_killer]

He's a mediocre spinner at best, not much better than our very own Zulfiqar Babar even at his advanced age. Babar was the better spinner in his prime.

It's not surprising to see Jadeja up there though. I'm sure even Harmer and Tahir would be in the top ten if they were lucky enough to play on the 'pitches' of India.

yeah, especially if Steyn was available as well, those pitches had plenty of reverse which our inexperienced attack couldn't exploit Indian bats struggled without sustained pressure.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Why does Bangalore keep on being mentioned?
I don't get, the match didn't even go the distance.

Another way of manipulation is looking at stats of batsmen who batted twice in the last Test, not many averaged above 40. What does that mean?

If you are gonna equate Harmer, Tahir and co to Jaddu...then facts have to be brought in. It wasn't bangalore per se but other pitches.

The only manipulation happening here is people ignoring the reality and harping on rank turners 24/7.

The day when Indian fans say Rahane and Kohli were great performers in the SA series (due to their batting in dead rubber)...that day you can accuse them of manipulation.

What's your take on NZ pitches?

 

[street cricketer]

Y'all detractors forgetting that Sir has a 5fer at Durban.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Since people like to talk only about rank turners, shall we check Jaddu's performance in verifiable non rank turner tracks at home:

Nagpur 2012 (patta which was a draw)

3/117

Mohali 2013 (Aus scored 400 in first innings and we did 500+)

6/112

Banglore 2015

4/50

Delhi 2015

7/56

NZ series 3 tests

14/334

Total of 7 tests out of 12 home tests. Excluding 4 rank turners + Hyderabad. I excluded Hyderabad 2013 (even though it wasn't a rank turner) just to make it as hard as possible (Jaddu did very well even there).

So his final stats are:

Average of 19.76.

Yeah right he is a mediocre spinner.

 

[street cricketer]

Jadeja himself knows he's not the 7th best bowler in India never mind the world

You don't rate Ashwin because he doesn't have performances overseas.

But Jadeja averages 25 in South Africa and around 20 in west indies. You cannot ignore it.

 

[Zak_Fan]

A very underrated bowler. One of the best in the world on Asian/WI pitches.

 

[soso_killer]

You don't rate Ashwin because he doesn't have performances overseas.

But Jadeja averages 25 in South Africa and around 20 in west indies. You cannot ignore it.

no i don't, played on a turner in Durban which was stupid from our curators, the pitch in Jo'burg was uncharacteristically dry and slow as well.
We did the same against Lanka in Durban, i don't remember these nations dishing green and bouncy wickets for us.

I look forward to the Indian tour next year, I'm curious as to what pitches will be served, our curators do their own thing which is annoying. Having seen the rubbish we play in when we tour away, i hope they got the wake up call.

 

[street cricketer]

no i don't, played on a turner in Durban which was stupid from our curators, the pitch in Jo'burg was uncharacteristically dry and slow as well.
We did the same against Lanka in Durban, i don't remember these nations dishing green and bouncy wickets for us.

I look forward to the Indian tour next year, I'm curious as to what pitches will be served, our curators do their own thing which is annoying. Having seen the rubbish we play in when we tour away, i hope they got the wake up call.

A south africa team having Smith, Amla, AB, Kallis, etc., got shot out under 250 to Ishant Sharma & co on a slow and dry track?

 

[soso_killer]

=b]If you are gonna equate Harmer, Tahir and co to Jaddu...then facts have to be brought in[/b]. It wasn't bangalore per se but other pitches.

The only manipulation happening here is people ignoring the reality and harping on rank turners 24/7.

The day when Indian fans say Rahane and Kohli were great performers in the SA series (due to their batting in dead rubber)...that day you can accuse them of manipulation.

What's your take on NZ pitches?

What facts are those?
The only fact that matters is that all batsmen sucked in that series. Rahane played well in the last Test. But he also struggled.
To have one batsman averaging above 40 across 4 Tests is in itself indicative of how deplorable conditions were for batsmen. That's the only fact that matters as far as I'm concerned

SA didn't even have Steyn who they desperately needed. I remember India being 116/6 in the 1st Test and we allowed them to get away. I think at one stage we were 80/3. Had we managed to roll India under 140 we could have batted sensibly and got a handy lead.

NZ without McCullum are not mentally strong enough. I'll wait for the English tour before I make any assessments.

 

[OS_89]

What facts are those?
The only fact that matters is that all batsmen sucked in that series. Rahane played well in the last Test. But he also struggled.
To have one batsman averaging above 40 across 4 Tests is in itself indicative of how deplorable conditions were for batsmen. That's the only fact that matters as far as I'm concerned

SA didn't even have Steyn who they desperately needed. I remember India being 116/6 in the 1st Test and we allowed them to get away. I think at one stage we were 80/3. Had we managed to roll India under 140 we could have batted sensibly and got a handy lead.

NZ without McCullum are not mentally strong enough. I'll wait for the English tour before I make any assessments.

2 out of the 4 tests in the SA series didn't provide much assistance to the spinners. In the 4th test, Rahane and Kohli scored lots of runs, and in Bangalore, India were well on their way to getting a huge score. SA bowlers didn't trouble Dhawan and Vijay one bit. And Jadeja got wickets in both these matches as well. Care to explain that?

 

[soso_killer]

A south africa team having Smith, Amla, AB, Kallis, etc., got shot out under 250 to Ishant Sharma & co on a slow and dry track?

yes, otherwise you don't chase or make an attempt to chase 400 in SA let alone at the Wanderers.

 

[soso_killer]

2 out of the 4 tests in the SA series didn't provide much assistance to the spinners. In the 4th test, Rahane and Kohli scored lots of runs, and in Bangalore, India were well on their way to getting a huge score. SA bowlers didn't trouble Dhawan and Vijay one bit. And Jadeja got wickets in both these matches as well. Care to explain that?

That's speculative taking into account India were 60/2 in the first Test scoring comfortably. Vijay and Pujara were batting like a dream.

And since we are selectively cutting off Tests i could counter argue the Indians didn't bat well in the 4th Test with my own set of arbitrary random criteria.
Only Rahane and Kolhi averaged above 40 of all the batsmen who batted twice in that deck. You see stats can be manipulated to represent what we want. One could argue that pitch got harder to bat on.

That's why the series average shows the bigger picture, not a Test and a quarter. Bangalore is irrelevant really. Else why did they dish the Tuners in the first place?
You can put make up on a pig, it's still a pig.

 

[soso_killer]

Venorn Philander averages 20 in India by the way.
He must be an all round bowler.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What facts are those?
The only fact that matters is that all batsmen sucked in that series. Rahane played well in the last Test. But he also struggled.
To have one batsman averaging above 40 across 4 Tests is in itself indicative of how deplorable conditions were for batsmen. That's the only fact that matters as far as I'm concerned

SA didn't even have Steyn who they desperately needed. I remember India being 116/6 in the 1st Test and we allowed them to get away. I think at one stage we were 80/3. Had we managed to roll India under 140 we could have batted sensibly and got a handy lead.

NZ without McCullum are not mentally strong enough. I'll wait for the English tour before I make any assessments.

Facts are facts.

Conditions were bad for 2 tests and normal for other 2.

Anyways I asked you how were the pitches in India for NZ series and you say

NZ without McCullum are not mentally strong enough. I'll wait for the English tour before I make any assessments.

Care to answer my question precisely?

How were the pitches in India against NZ?

Pretty simple question bro. You don't need to know team strengths to judge a pitch. Let me know your reply.

 

[soso_killer]

Facts are facts.

Conditions were bad for 2 tests and normal for other 2.

Anyways I asked you how were the pitches in India for NZ series and you say



Care to answer my question precisely?

How were the pitches in India against NZ?

Pretty simple question bro. You don't need to know team strengths to judge a pitch. Let me know your reply.

why were the turners in the first place.
Nothing was normal about that series. 3 matches were completed, all batsmen struggled and that's a fact.

 

[soso_killer]

Venorn Philander averages 20 in India by the way.
He must be an all round bowler.

and 22 in the UAE

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

why were the turners in the first place.
Nothing was normal about that series. 3 matches were completed, all batsmen struggled and that's a fact.

The turners were there cos we wanted to give you rank turners. Who denied that? We never claimed we gave you super sporting tracks. But we did give you normal tracks too.

Anyways leave that.

How were the pitches in India against NZ this year?

 

[street cricketer]

That's speculative taking into account India were 60/2 in the first Test scoring comfortably. Vijay and Pujara were batting like a dream.

And since we are selectively cutting off Tests i could counter argue the Indians didn't bat well in the 4th Test with my own set of arbitrary random criteria.
Only Rahane and Kolhi averaged above 40 of all the batsmen who batted twice in that deck. You see stats can be manipulated to represent what we want. One could argue that pitch got harder to bat on.

That's why the series average shows the bigger picture, not a Test and a quarter. Bangalore is irrelevant really. Else why did they dish the Tuners in the first place?
You can put make up on a pig, it's still a pig.

If it was a turner, why would Kohli elect to bowl first on that pitch. One would have to be idiotic to elect to bat last on a turner.

It's not just about the score. You can quite easily guage from watching the match. Mohali had uneven bounce and even uneven turn. Bangalore had nothing of that sorts.

 

[soso_killer]

The turners were there cos we wanted to give you rank turners. Who denied that? We never claimed we gave you super sporting tracks. But we did give you normal tracks too.

Anyways leave that.

How were the pitches in India against NZ this year?

since when have NZ become a barometer of playing spin?
When last did they win a series in Asia if ever?

 

[soso_killer]

If it was a turner, why would Kohli elect to bowl first on that pitch. One would have to be idiotic to elect to bat last on a turner.

It's not just about the score. You can quite easily guage from watching the match. Mohali had uneven bounce and even uneven turn. Bangalore had nothing of that sorts.

The Test was incomplete, no team can say they were definitely on top based on account and context of that series.
Any cricket expect will always attest, both teams must complete their innings before making any conclusions on a pitch.
It's useless and futile to quote that game swing as India still had 120+ deficit, which might as well be 400 in that series.

But I'm not going to speculate, neither should anyone.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

since when have NZ become a barometer of playing spin?
When last did they win a series in Asia if ever?

So why are you not answering my question bro?

Such a simple question.

Did I say India is a great team cos they whitewashed NZ?

India could play Timbuktu and still one can judge what kind of pitches were dished out?

This thread is about Jaddu, Indian spinners, Indian bowling in Indian track right?

So how were the pitches for NZ in India in 2016?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The Test was incomplete, no team can say they were definitely on top based on account and context of that series.
Any cricket expect will always attest, both teams must complete their innings before making any conclusions on a pitch.
It's useless and futile to quote that game swing as India still had 120+ deficit, which might as well be 400 in that series.

But I'm not going to speculate, neither should anyone.

As street cricketer asked...why would any captain bowl FIRST on a spin track which will only deteriorate?

Its a valid question. You should answer that part.

 

[soso_killer]

As street cricketer asked...why would any captain bowl FIRST on a spin track which will only deteriorate?

Its a valid question. You should answer that part.

I've seen captains batting first on green tracks having won the toss, what conclusions can be made of that?
And Kohli misread that pitch bringing an extra seamer, which didn't yield anything.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I've seen captains batting first on green tracks having won the toss, what conclusions can be made of that? And Kohli misread that pitch bringing an extra seamer, which didn't yield anything.

Green tracks behave differently to spin tracks. They don't gradually deteriorate. They either stay the same or flatten out.

Yes. You are right. Kohli did misread the pitch by bringing the extra seamer.

But can you point me any match in the history of cricket where a home captain misread a rank turner or a heavy turner and got an extra seamer?

It was a normal pitch misread by Kohli.

Scorecards support that. Data is inconclusive but a bit of context makes the conclusion easier.

 

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So why are you not answering my question bro?

Such a simple question.

Did I say India is a great team cos they whitewashed NZ?

India could play Timbuktu and still one can judge what kind of pitches were dished out?

This thread is about Jaddu, Indian spinners, Indian bowling in Indian track right?

So how were the pitches for NZ in India in 2016?

your question was how were the pitches against NZ.
The answer is simple really. It doesn't matter as NZ are pathetic against spin anyway. They've been whitewashed by Bangladesh on numerous occasions, that was even before Bangladesh even became Bangladesh. That's all that matters .

Tour Pakistan, then we'll talk.

 

[soso_killer]

Green tracks behave differently to spin tracks. They don't gradually deteriorate. They either stay the same or flatten out.

Yes. You are right. Kohli did misread the pitch by bringing the extra seamer.

But can you point me any match in the history of cricket where a home captain misread a rank turner or a heavy turner and got an extra seamer?

It was a normal pitch misread by Kohli.

Scorecards support that. Data is inconclusive but a bit of context makes the conclusion easier.

That's all that matters.
No team was on top, SA misread a pitch in Australia expecting a juicy deck and dropped a spinner.
We nearly paid the price. SA are very familiar with those conditions. Pitches are misread all the time. It's nothing new really.