Ready to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff, says Army Chief Bipin Rawat

[MenInG]

Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said Friday the force was ready to call Pakistan’s “nuclear bluff” and cross the border to carry out any operation if asked by the government.

“We will call the (nuclear) bluff of Pakistan. If we will have to really confront the Pakistanis, and a task is given to us, we are not going to say we cannot cross the border because they have nuclear weapons. We will have to call their nuclear bluff,” Gen. Rawat said.

He was responding to a question during a press conference on possibility of Pakistan using its nuclear weapons in case the situation along the border deteriorates.

In reply to another question, he said India and the US were deliberating on a proposal to appoint military liaison officers at each other’s combatant commands.

“We are examining various dimensions of the proposal,” he said.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...bipin-rawat/story-4IaODMvEShEFoDLs1VSpLJ.html

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan's nuclear capability a 'weapon of deterrence': DG ISPR responds to Indian army chief

Responding to a remark by the Indian army chief that his country's armed forces are ready to call Pakistan’s “nuclear bluff”, the chief of Pakistan Army's media wing has said that India should not harbour any illusion about Pakistan's defence capabilities, while the Foreign Office (FO) warned India against any misadventure.

Indian Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat had said on Friday that the Indian army would not hesitate to cross the Pakistani border to carry out an operation if ordered by the government, Hindustan Times reported.

“We will call the (nuclear) bluff of Pakistan. If we will have to really confront the Pakistanis, and a task is given to us, we are not going to say we cannot cross the border because they have nuclear weapons. We will have to call their nuclear bluff,” Gen Rawat was quoted as saying.

Examine: South Asian experts rule out Pakistan-India nuclear war

Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, while talking to state-run PTV World termed the Indian army chief's statement "irresponsible" and "unbecoming" of a four-star general who is serving as the chief of army staff.

Asked what Pakistan's response would be if India resorted to any such misadventure, Maj Gen Ghafoor said: "Should they [India] wish to test our resolve they may try and see it for themselves. We have a credible nuclear capability exclusive[ly] meant for threat from [the] East."

The ISPR chief said Pakistan considers its nuclear capability to be a "weapon of deterrence" and not an option for war, according to a statement issued by the military's media wing.

He said India was unsuccessfully targeting Pakistan through sub-conventional threats and "state-sponsored terrorism" because it could not subdue Pakistan through conventional engagement following overt nuclearisation in the region.

"[The] only thing stopping them is our credible nuclear deterrence as there is no space of war between the two nuclear states," he said.

The ISPR chief said Pakistan is a responsible nuclear state with a professional army, therefore India "must not remain in illusion".

'There must not be any misadventure'
The Foreign Office too responded to the Indian army chief's statement in strong terms, saying Gen Rawat's "threatening" remark is "representative of a sinister mindset that has taken hold of India".

"These are not issues to be taken lightly. There must not be any misadventure based on [a] miscalculation," FO spokesman Dr Mohammad Faisal said in a statement.

"Pakistan is fully capable of defending itself," he said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1382691/p...errence-dg-ispr-responds-to-indian-army-chief

 

[Syed1]

Ok good luck

 

[TM Riddle]

Spoken like a true Garhwali.
The region has produced some of the finest soldiers in subcontinent since the British era.

 

[Yossarian]

It's not a game of cards where you call someone's bluff. Calling the bluff of a neighbour country that you're invading, and knowing that the question of "calling the bluff" will only come into play if their forces are being defeated and they're being pushed into a corner, and the nuclear option is the only option they have left, means that a military leader talking about "calling the bluff" is not worthy to be in charge of it's countries armed forces.

 

[www787]

He has to be the dumbest Army Chief in the world. Unnecessary comment for unnecessary reason to satisfy nationalist.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Another thread where Indians and Pakistanis will debate on how many wars each side has won Just what we needed.

 

[Pakpak]

They are welcome to try. But I doubt they will, just soundbites for their nationalist voter base. Noone is stupid enough to start a war or risk a nuclear war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well Pakistan knows that any use of nukes will mean a massive nuclear retaliation from India. So despite all talks Pakistan isnt going to use nukes.


Nukes may be a deterrent if the other side doesnt have it, it may not be a deterrent if both sides have it, in that scenario the side that initiates the cause of the conflict will have to back off.

 

[Pakistanian]

Well Pakistan knows that any use of nukes will mean a massive nuclear retaliation from India. So despite all talks Pakistan isnt going to use nukes.


Nukes may be a deterrent if the other side doesnt have it, it may not be a deterrent if both sides have it, in that scenario the side that initiates the cause of the conflict will have to back off.

You see thing is you don't understand us. Pakistanis like other Muslim nations have a fatalist mentality, they're not afraid to die in a nuclear war they embrace as a part of fate while Indians are the exact opposite. This is something a former US marine and now war historian told me in person.

 

[PakLFC]

India does not understand the Pakistani mindset! General Zia once told Rajiv Gandhi that if we die we will definitely take you with us. We are not afraid to due which was seen when Pakistan came in to being. There can be no greater evidence then that. Indian's love life far more then Pakistanis do and they also fear death far more then we do. I often think of my death, funeral and what it will be like. India should remember it's history of invasion after invasion for centuries by various outside forces. Without a Pakistan these Afghans and central Asian countries will be invading India again in massive numbers. This Indian DG who wears a hat in a weird way is free to call our bluff! Put your words in to action! Pak is a peaceful but not a coward country.

 

[MenInG]

Talk sense here or dont post.

 

[indipper]

I wonder if any nuclear state is defeated so far? If yes then what happens to thei nuclear arsenal then?

 

[indipper]

You see thing is you don't understand us. Pakistanis like other Muslim nations have a fatalist mentality, they're not afraid to die in a nuclear war they embrace as a part of fate while Indians are the exact opposite. This is something a former US marine and now war historian told me in person.

Those were Muslims of the old generation. New ones like to tweet against it over internet.

 

[big_gamer007]

I wonder if any nuclear state is defeated so far? If yes then what happens to thei nuclear arsenal then?

Depends on what you mean by defeat.. IMO states like North Korea, Pakistan, India for some part, Russia for some parts, etc are defeated within itself because they can’t provide all their citizens with a good lifestyle..

I guess you meant defeat by conquest or by another invading country I don’t think any two nuclear armed countries will go to invasion type war..

 

[indipper]

Depends on what you mean by defeat.. IMO states like North Korea, Pakistan, India for some part, Russia for some parts, etc are defeated within itself because they can’t provide all their citizens with a good lifestyle..

I guess you meant defeat by conquest or by another invading country I don’t think any two nuclear armed countries will go to invasion type war..

From conquest or war obviously. Nearly all eastern countries are defeated if you count the first way.

 

[Madplayer]

An irresponsible statement which could have been avoided.

This is what happens when political parties start influencing the army.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India does not understand the Pakistani mindset! General Zia once told Rajiv Gandhi that if we die we will definitely take you with us. We are not afraid to due which was seen when Pakistan came in to being. There can be no greater evidence then that. Indian's love life far more then Pakistanis do and they also fear death far more then we do. I often think of my death, funeral and what it will be like. India should remember it's history of invasion after invasion for centuries by various outside forces. Without a Pakistan these Afghans and central Asian countries will be invading India again in massive numbers. This Indian DG who wears a hat in a weird way is free to call our bluff! Put your words in to action! Pak is a peaceful but not a coward country.

93000 Pakistanis surrendered to Indian Army in 1971.Why?

Lol at this General Zia story, if he had so much guts he should have proved it in the battlefield.

Its funny how you sitting outside Pakistan with life not in danger talking about destruction of Pakistan.

Pakistan will not use nukes and risk its existence in a retaliatory Indian attack for a piece of land they dont control or for few 1000 terrorists who are dispensible.

 

[Syed1]

93000 Pakistanis surrendered to Indian Army in 1971.Why?

Lol at this General Zia story, if he had so much guts he should have proved it in the battlefield.

Its funny how you sitting outside Pakistan with life not in danger talking about destruction of Pakistan.

Pakistan will not use nukes and risk its existence in a retaliatory Indian attack for a piece of land they dont control or for few 1000 terrorists who are dispensible.

54,000 of those 90k were civilians




And Pakistan will use nukes if we desire. Completely our prerogative.

 

[Pakpak]

54,000 of those 90k were civilians




And Pakistan will use nukes if we desire. Completely our prerogative.

And the rest were made up of Police, paramilitary and some 18,000 soldiers. Backed up by almost no airforce or backup and facing a rebellion and an enemy at the border against unbeatable odds. Indians act as if they faced an enemy on equal footing or at the same level. Which it was not.

 

[big_gamer007]

From conquest or war obviously. Nearly all eastern countries are defeated if you count the first way.

No two nuclear armed nations have gone to a full fledged war so your question will remain unanswered till that happens..

 

[indipper]

No two nuclear armed nations have gone to a full fledged war so your question will remain unanswered till that happens..

We're most likely going to be the first one to answer that

 

[big_gamer007]

We're most likely going to be the first one to answer that

Haha I don’t think so both India and Pakistan have a thriving economy and plenty to lose in a full fledged war so hopefully there never comes a stage where both countries go to war and are sent 50 years back...

 

[PakLFC]

93000 Pakistanis surrendered to Indian Army in 1971.Why?

Lol at this General Zia story, if he had so much guts he should have proved it in the battlefield.

Its funny how you sitting outside Pakistan with life not in danger talking about destruction of Pakistan.

Pakistan will not use nukes and risk its existence in a retaliatory Indian attack for a piece of land they dont control or for few 1000 terrorists who are dispensible.

For the same reason that millions of Indians had to accept the creation of Pak. Besides, I don't believe this 93,000 number at all. Did Zia's Pak go to war against India, when and where? How do you know I am outside Pak? Where exactly are you? As seen India will never attack Pak, this has been repeatedly proved and you know it? No point in denying the obvious. Of course the other side will retaliate if provoked. As stated previously. Delhi has no control of the sevens sisters region and other insurgency hit regions. I don't want to count the million's of insurgent groups in India, you know who they are.

 

[cricketjoshila]

54,000 of those 90k were civilians




And Pakistan will use nukes if we desire. Completely our prerogative.

93k Pakistanis surrendered. Thats the point.

India too will use if we desire, oue prerogative.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For the same reason that millions of Indians had to accept the creation of Pak. Besides, I don't believe this 93,000 number at all. Did Zia's Pak go to war against India, when and where? How do you know I am outside Pak? Where exactly are you? As seen India will never attack Pak, this has been repeatedly proved and you know it? No point in denying the obvious. Of course the other side will retaliate if provoked. As stated previously. Delhi has no control of the sevens sisters region and other insurgency hit regions. I don't want to count the million's of insurgent groups in India, you know who they are.

Read history. The British created Pakistan and India and created it as they deemed fit. Pakistanis could do zilch about it.

Your belief will not change the fact that Gen Niazi and his troops surrendered to India and Pakistan lost half its country.

You have quite a few times mentioned your location on PP.

We will start a war when we want. We created Bangladesh, we took siachen. We let go off 93k Pakistani PoWs as a gesture of good will.

We have complete control of seven sister states. Have been to atleast 3 of them. We are in process of expelling illegal bangladeshis from one.

 

[PakLFC]

Read history. The British created Pakistan and India and created it as they deemed fit. Pakistanis could do zilch about it.

Your belief will not change the fact that Gen Niazi and his troops surrendered to India and Pakistan lost half its country.

You have quite a few times mentioned your location on PP.

We will start a war when we want. We created Bangladesh, we took siachen. We let go off 93k Pakistani PoWs as a gesture of good will.

We have complete control of seven sister states. Have been to atleast 3 of them. We are in process of expelling illegal bangladeshis from one.

It's you again!!)) No, you can not start a war and we all know that, unlike you we do not make cheap threats but do things whenever we want!! We created Pak and did you in 1965! Hundreds and millions of your people had make way for Pakistan with Gandhi on his knee's to Jinnah begging him not to break his "beloved India". He was left helplessly spinning his wheel. This can also be seen in the movie "Gandhi". We took half of Kashmir from you despite being nine times smaller. You can do nothing about Hafiz and Dawood, no one cares about 26/11 at all, not even America. Too bad.

Bangladesh does not bother me, 1947 was the real deal when Quaid Jinnah bought Bharat mata on her knee's. Read Jaswant Singh's "Jinnah". Further evidence can be seen with the comments of RSS type Hindu terrorists who are eager to form their mythical akhand Bharat. Keep dreaming! Look at the map of pre partition India then see you lost Pakistan, Bangladesh and Pak Kashmir as well. Quaid Jinnah forced Nehru and Gandhi to give in to his demands, everyone knows that apart from you. Has it occurred to you that Jurassic Park is not in the UK

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's you again!!)) No, you can not start a war and we all know that, unlike you we do not make cheap threats but do things whenever we want!! We created Pak and did you in 1965! Hundreds and millions of your people had make way for Pakistan with Gandhi on his knee's to Jinnah begging him not to break his "beloved India". He was left helplessly spinning his wheel. This can also be seen in the movie "Gandhi". We took half of Kashmir from you despite being nine times smaller. You can do nothing about Hafiz and Dawood, no one cares about 26/11 at all, not even America. Too bad.

Bangladesh does not bother me, 1947 was the real deal when Quaid Jinnah bought Bharat mata on her knee's. Read Jaswant Singh's "Jinnah". Further evidence can be seen with the comments of RSS type Hindu terrorists who are eager to form their mythical akhand Bharat. Keep dreaming! Look at the map of pre partition India then see you lost Pakistan, Bangladesh and Pak Kashmir as well. Quaid Jinnah forced Nehru and Gandhi to give in to his demands, everyone knows that apart from you. Has it occurred to you that Jurassic Park is not in the UK

British created Pakistan and created it as they wanted to. They didnot care which territories M A Jinnah wanted and only gave the territories they deemed fit and M A Jinnah had to except.

Pakistan started a war in 65 to take Kashmir but had to run to save Lahore. Such a disaster for Pak Army.

The small part of Kashmir Pakistan has was taken from the forces of Maharaj Hari Singh.

Who said we are not doing anything about 26/11 or Dawood or Hafiz Saeed? I hear Pakistanis complaining everyday about IWT and how India is violating it.


Pre Partition India was British ruled, they decided what was to be done.

Bangladesh was ruled by Pakistan. India took it. Took 93k Pakistanis as PoWs and ZAB had to come to Shimla and beg to free them.

PS: I can talk about M A Jinnah in the same vein that you talked about Gandhi but unlike you i have been brought up believing to respect personalities who are respected by others. Learn how to speak from someone like [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] will help you.

 

[Saeed]

Bipin and India are definitely emboldened by Trump’s tough talk. Why else would he talk about nukes out of the blue?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bipin and India are definitely emboldened by Trump’s tough talk. Why else would he talk about nukes out of the blue?

No one is going to use Nukes. No one.

 

[PakLFC]

British created Pakistan and created it as they wanted to. They didnot care which territories M A Jinnah wanted and only gave the territories they deemed fit and M A Jinnah had to except.

Pakistan started a war in 65 to take Kashmir but had to run to save Lahore. Such a disaster for Pak Army.

The small part of Kashmir Pakistan has was taken from the forces of Maharaj Hari Singh.

Who said we are not doing anything about 26/11 or Dawood or Hafiz Saeed? I hear Pakistanis complaining everyday about IWT and how India is violating it.


Pre Partition India was British ruled, they decided what was to be done.

Bangladesh was ruled by Pakistan. India took it. Took 93k Pakistanis as PoWs and ZAB had to come to Shimla and beg to free them.

PS: I can talk about M A Jinnah in the same vein that you talked about Gandhi but unlike you i have been brought up believing to respect personalities who are respected by others. Learn how to speak from someone like [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] will help you.

No they did not at all. It is true though that Jinnah did not get it all his own way either. The UK did not want Pak which is why Jinnah did not disclose his illness. Had he done so the Brits would have delayed independence waiting for him to die. In 1965 your generals who wanted dinner at Lahore met an incredibly ugly end. We obviously saved Lahore which is why I say we start war when we want to. Never mind how it happened as history can be bent any way, we have Kashmir and it ain't that small a part either.

I also see Indian media crying about border intrusions on Pak side and firing as well. Of course we will hit you back. I said only you care about Hafiz and Dawood, no one else does. We have Kulbushan and Hafiz both.

So what about those Hindu's who believe the entire subcontinent especially Pak is a part of India?? They insist that prior to the Brits Pak belonged to them and they want it back. They are free to try Nope your version of 1971 is totally untrue and biased. Pak fought like lions and the number was no where near what you say. What is true is that hundred's of million's of Indian's had to make way for Pakistan that is the biggest movement of people in modern day history. We made you do that.

I treat people like they do me, no need to worry about by manners. Yes, your Gandhi did pride himself by sitting at the wheel, I am only stating the fact not insulting him. It is a different matter that your Gandhi is no hero of mines. This has also been shown in the movie "Gandhi" as well. There are some very old pics on the net with Gandhi having his head in his hands when Pakistan was formed

 

[Lonewarrior]

93000 Pakistanis surrendered to Indian Army in 1971.Why?

93k ? wrong, there was more thn 1 million ....
sometimes you can only laugh on indian lies ....

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

93000 Pakistanis surrendered to Indian Army in 1971.Why?

Lol at this General Zia story, if he had so much guts he should have proved it in the battlefield.

Its funny how you sitting outside Pakistan with life not in danger talking about destruction of Pakistan.

Pakistan will not use nukes and risk its existence in a retaliatory Indian attack for a piece of land they dont control or for few 1000 terrorists who are dispensible.

Keep in mind that you and your Chief of Army Staff is saying this to a nation that:
1) Will potentially have the 3rd largest nuclear stock-pile in the world behind Russia and USA within 5 years
2) Already has more nuclear warheads than India
3) In 2017, developed MIRV missile system which can significantly reduce the effectiveness of India's BMD (ballistic missile defence system)

 

[cricketjoshila]

Keep in mind that you and your Chief of Army Staff is saying this to a nation that:
1) Will potentially have the 3rd largest nuclear stock-pile in the world behind Russia and USA within 5 years
2) Already has more nuclear warheads than India
3) In 2017, developed MIRV missile system which can significantly reduce the effectiveness of India's BMD (ballistic missile defence system)

1 and 2 Your warheads have lesser yield and far bigger area to cover. The difference between the number of warheads is estimated to be 10-20 while India has bigger yield weapons and lesser territory to cover.

Indian BMD layer uses/will use Indian, Israeli and Russian state of the art systems which are designed to handle far better systems than what Pakistan possess. Does Pakistan have a BMD?

Pakistan "claimed" to have tested a Launcher demonstration of MIRV. It takes number of tests over years to have a credible MIRV system. Do look up the various analysis of Ababeel by credible agencies like NASIC.

It will be sensible if Pakistanis think again before threatening another country which has larger yield nukes, more options and delivery systems, larger territory and a layered BMD, with nukes.

 

[Madplayer]

1 and 2 Your warheads have lesser yield and far bigger area to cover. The difference between the number of warheads is estimated to be 10-20 while India has bigger yield weapons and lesser territory to cover.

Indian BMD layer uses/will use Indian, Israeli and Russian state of the art systems which are designed to handle far better systems than what Pakistan possess. Does Pakistan have a BMD?

Pakistan "claimed" to have tested a Launcher demonstration of MIRV. It takes number of tests over years to have a credible MIRV system. Do look up the various analysis of Ababeel by credible agencies like NASIC.

It will be sensible if Pakistanis think again before threatening another country which has larger yield nukes, more options and delivery systems, larger territory and a layered BMD, with nukes.

Joshila Sahab, you dont know Pakistan's or even India's full capabilities. They are always a secret. So all of this discussion that we will do this and we will do that (from both sides) is pointless because you guys dont know squat. Nobody does.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Joshila Sahab, you dont know Pakistan's or even India's full capabilities. They are always a secret. So all of this discussion that we will do this and we will do that (from both sides) is pointless because you guys dont know squat. Nobody does.

There are enough reports that are published around the world by credible institutions which can give you an idea about estimated capabilities.

What i mentioned is in public knowledge.

 

[PakLFC]

There are enough reports that are published around the world by credible institutions which can give you an idea about estimated capabilities.

What i mentioned is in public knowledge.

No it's your knowledge not the general public's at all. Basic knowledge is that India dare not even think of attacking Pak, this has been proved after 26/11, Uri and Pathankot. Naturally, being the much larger country you will have certain advantages and disadvantages as well. You are no war analyst with your highly immature views. After Uri senior Indian war planners warned your army "don't mess with Pakistan". This was shown on some Indian channel back then.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The reality is had Pakistan not developed Nuclear Weapons, India would be threatening to reduce Pakistan to dust. This is a fact. Since Pakistan developed Nuclear weapons, India's threat vanished into thin air and was made redundant and hopeless.

Saying this, both nations prove MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction - acts as a deterrent in a nuclear fall out which is why neither will use Nuclear weapons against each other.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Ok - go ahead and call bluff. See what happens

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

1 and 2 Your warheads have lesser yield and far bigger area to cover. The difference between the number of warheads is estimated to be 10-20 while India has bigger yield weapons and lesser territory to cover.

Indian BMD layer uses/will use Indian, Israeli and Russian state of the art systems which are designed to handle far better systems than what Pakistan possess. Does Pakistan have a BMD?

Pakistan "claimed" to have tested a Launcher demonstration of MIRV. It takes number of tests over years to have a credible MIRV system. Do look up the various analysis of Ababeel by credible agencies like NASIC.

It will be sensible if Pakistanis think again before threatening another country which has larger yield nukes, more options and delivery systems, larger territory and a layered BMD, with nukes.

This is where the Indian bias come in.

So, let's say I agree that we have lesser yield but 10-20 more nukes. While India has higher yield but lower number of nukes. That pretty much evens things up, no? Also for the Indian BMD, Pakistan definitely has a credible MIRV. And no Pakistan hasn't threatened anyone whereas India does it all the time.

We're not the ones famous for "claiming" fake surgical strikes and blaming others for Uri and Pathankot.

Your soldiers can't handle a few idiots in Uri and Pathankot yet you have the audacity of threatening a professional Pakistani army.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No it's your knowledge not the general public's at all. Basic knowledge is that India dare not even think of attacking Pak, this has been proved after 26/11, Uri and Pathankot. Naturally, being the much larger country you will have certain advantages and disadvantages as well. You are no war analyst with your highly immature views. After Uri senior Indian war planners warned your army "don't mess with Pakistan". This was shown on some Indian channel back then.

Your opinion is not India's opinion. Your whining wont change the fact that India is hurting Pakistan via river water issues and thats just the start.

Good that you accept that Pakistanis were involved in terrorist attacks, because thats all your army can do, use terror attacks as it cannot take on the Indian Army in a face to face attack.

Seems surrender of Dhaka and losing siachen still gives them nightmares.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is where the Indian bias come in.

So, let's say I agree that we have lesser yield but 10-20 more nukes. While India has higher yield but lower number of nukes. That pretty much evens things up, no? Also for the Indian BMD, Pakistan definitely has a credible MIRV. And no Pakistan hasn't threatened anyone whereas India does it all the time.

We're not the ones famous for "claiming" fake surgical strikes and blaming others for Uri and Pathankot.

Your soldiers can't handle a few idiots in Uri and Pathankot yet you have the audacity of threatening a professional Pakistani army.

No Indian bias but American think tanks and the American NASIC gave that assesment.

You are assuming that Pakistan will be using nukes first or that Pakistan will be able to use all its nukes.

Indian BMD is not only Indian, its a mix of Indian Israeli and Russian systems. Pakistan doesnt even have a BMD.

Credibility of Pakistan having MIRV has been discussed in various thinktanks, google will help you.

Your soldiers plus F 16s plus helicopter support are doing Zarb e Azb, Radd Ul Fasaad and god knows what else, what is the result?

Indian Army has taken on Pak Army and made them surrender in Dhaka. Took Siachen and Pak Army had to leave its dead and run away in 1999. So if they try to threaten India they will be taught another lesson. Though long before that India will withdraw from IWT and choke Pakistans water supply.

 

[IAJ]

Agar 9 admi eik admi ka muqabla nahi kar sakte tou is sey ziada aur sharmnaak baat kya hai?

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

No Indian bias but American think tanks and the American NASIC gave that assesment.

You are assuming that Pakistan will be using nukes first or that Pakistan will be able to use all its nukes.

Indian BMD is not only Indian, its a mix of Indian Israeli and Russian systems. Pakistan doesnt even have a BMD.

Credibility of Pakistan having MIRV has been discussed in various thinktanks, google will help you.

Your soldiers plus F 16s plus helicopter support are doing Zarb e Azb, Radd Ul Fasaad and god knows what else, what is the result?

Indian Army has taken on Pak Army and made them surrender in Dhaka. Took Siachen and Pak Army had to leave its dead and run away in 1999. So if they try to threaten India they will be taught another lesson. Though long before that India will withdraw from IWT and choke Pakistans water supply.

How shameless of you to claim a civil war as your victory (by unnecessary interference).
You had no right to invade Dhaka.
You had no business fighting there.
It was a CIVIL war.

The fact that you pride on being able to capture our soldiers when our army was separated by thousands of miles shows your army's greatness. Everyone knows what happened in Kargil. I think Musharraf has said enough about that. Its not the army's fault if NS didn't have the balls to fight.

Good Luck choking Pakistan's water supply. Though long before that we will have occupied Kashmir

 

[cricketjoshila]

How shameless of you to claim a civil war as your victory (by unnecessary interference).
You had no right to invade Dhaka.
You had no business fighting there.
It was a CIVIL war.

The fact that you pride on being able to capture our soldiers when our army was separated by thousands of miles shows your army's greatness. Everyone knows what happened in Kargil. I think Musharraf has said enough about that. Its not the army's fault if NS didn't have the balls to fight.

Good Luck choking Pakistan's water supply. Though long before that we will have occupied Kashmir

You had no business in Kashmir. You had no business breaking the ceasefire agreement in 1965 and go read history to learn who attacked first and did OP Chengiz Khan in 1971 starting the war. Fact remains that Gen Niazi surrendered to Indian Army.

Mussharaff? The guy who has run away from his own country while facing trial? Pakistan tried capturing Indian territory in Kargil and failed leaving its dead behind. Thats the truth.

Lol. This is delusional. Indian Army cant beat Pak Army despite being 2.5 in size and better equipment because of nukes but Pakistan will beat a army twice its size and with better equipment and nukes.

As we speak India is constructing various dams on rivers in Kashmir, even starting projects that were previously shut down.

 

[Snak3eye5]

This is where the Indian bias come in.

So, let's say I agree that we have lesser yield but 10-20 more nukes. While India has higher yield but lower number of nukes. That pretty much evens things up, no? Also for the Indian BMD, Pakistan definitely has a credible MIRV. And no Pakistan hasn't threatened anyone whereas India does it all the time.

We're not the ones famous for "claiming" fake surgical strikes and blaming others for Uri and Pathankot.

Your soldiers can't handle a few idiots in Uri and Pathankot yet you have the audacity of threatening a professional Pakistani army.

You're kidding on the threat part right ? India besides maybe Pakistan hasn't threatened anyone. It tries for the most part to have an amicable relation with everyone. "A professional Pakistaki army " The same army who sneakingly invaded Kargil and lost. The same professional army that would not pick up their own dead and refused to acknowledge them as their own... nuff said..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Joshila bhai still beating his chest about 1971. Almost half a century later, and Indians still can only reference a war against a former piece of itself as something to be proud of. The real winners here are of course native Brits who will chuckle to themselves at the empty boasts of a former butler crowing about victory over the kitchen chef.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Joshila bhai still beating his chest about 1971. Almost half a century later, and Indians still can only reference a war against a former piece of itself as something to be proud of. The real winners here are of course native Brits who will chuckle to themselves at the empty boasts of a former butler crowing about victory over the kitchen chef.

Reminds me of the joke. During the british rule, there were two sweepers in punjab who had converted to Christianity and changed their names to Peter and Paul. While sweeping the streets, they saw a group of people raising slogans against the British. So the conversation went something like this:

Oye Peter.. Haan ji Paul. Why are these people shouting so much? Oh jee.. uha loka azadi chahnde hai, par assi de nahi rahe.

 

[Madplayer]

Reminds me of the joke. During the british rule, there were two sweepers in punjab who had converted to Christianity and changed their names to Peter and Paul. While sweeping the streets, they saw a group of people raising slogans against the British. So the conversation went something like this:

Oye Peter.. Haan ji Paul. Why are these people shouting so much? Oh jee.. uha loka azadi chahnde hai, par assi de nahi rahe.

) ) this is the funniest thing i have read all day. My God

 

[cricketjoshila]

Joshila bhai still beating his chest about 1971. Almost half a century later, and Indians still can only reference a war against a former piece of itself as something to be proud of. The real winners here are of course native Brits who will chuckle to themselves at the empty boasts of a former butler crowing about victory over the kitchen chef.

You may still be a kitchen chef, Indians arent anyone's butler.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You may still be a kitchen chef, Indians arent anyone's butler.

Then what made you think I was referring to Indians?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Wow. Is it possible to be astonished and, yet at the same time, not surprised?

Some of the responses by Indian users reminds me of the following insecure trait:

 

[PakLFC]

Your opinion is not India's opinion. Your whining wont change the fact that India is hurting Pakistan via river water issues and thats just the start.

Good that you accept that Pakistanis were involved in terrorist attacks, because thats all your army can do, use terror attacks as it cannot take on the Indian Army in a face to face attack.

Seems surrender of Dhaka and losing siachen still gives them nightmares.

Actually Pak has water for now, right? We all know who has Hafiz Saeed, Kulbushan and Dawood as well according to your media. Say goodbye, you are never gonna get them! I think you have proved after Uri, Pathankot and 26/11 just how brave your army is! I still remember them all gathering at the border after 26/11 then returning a few weeks later with their tail between their legs In the process they wasted hundred's of million's in moving all that war infrastructure to the border!

India is ripe for another 1947, we are just accelerating the process that's all! You will always remember that humiliation, Kargil and 1965 until we dismember you again. The baby killing and rapist Indian army deserves to be terrorised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually Pak has water for now, right? We all know who has Hafiz Saeed, Kulbushan and Dawood as well according to your media. Say goodbye, you are never gonna get them! I think you have proved after Uri, Pathankot and 26/11 just how brave your army is! I still remember them all gathering at the border after 26/11 then returning a few weeks later with their tail between their legs In the process they wasted hundred's of million's in moving all that war infrastructure to the border!

India is ripe for another 1947, we are just accelerating the process that's all! You will always remember that humiliation, Kargil and 1965 until we dismember you again. The baby killing and rapist Indian army deserves to be terrorised.

Actually he 26/11 mobilisation cost Pakistan millions, while our economy can absorb it yours is having to take IMF bailouts and loans.

We are just raising the cost for Pakistan in the border and LOC, that is again hurting Pakistan costing you millions.

We proved how brave we are when we took Dhaka and Siachen and when your army ran away in Kargil.What kind of Army runs away leaving its dead and doesnt accept the dead bodies. Mercenaries?

93k Pakistanis returned home due to India's benevolence and Indian Armies mercy, if they would have been left at the hands of the Mukti Bahini, then god knows what their fate would have been.

The world knows who killed,raped and killed babies in Bangladesh in 1971. Until Indian Army arrived to rescue them.

The cost for Pakistan is increasing at the LOC and the border while your economy is struggling. Your rivers are being choked.

Next time you think of the bravado of Pak Army. Look up the photo of Niazi surrendering to Indian Army.

 

[PakLFC]

Actually he 26/11 mobilisation cost Pakistan millions, while our economy can absorb it yours is having to take IMF bailouts and loans.

We are just raising the cost for Pakistan in the border and LOC, that is again hurting Pakistan costing you millions.

We proved how brave we are when we took Dhaka and Siachen and when your army ran away in Kargil.What kind of Army runs away leaving its dead and doesnt accept the dead bodies. Mercenaries?

93k Pakistanis returned home due to India's benevolence and Indian Armies mercy, if they would have been left at the hands of the Mukti Bahini, then god knows what their fate would have been.

The world knows who killed,raped and killed babies in Bangladesh in 1971. Until Indian Army arrived to rescue them.

The cost for Pakistan is increasing at the LOC and the border while your economy is struggling. Your rivers are being choked.

Next time you think of the bravado of Pak Army. Look up the photo of Niazi surrendering to Indian Army.

Of course it did but you did not attack did you?? Actually we are making you spend billions in IoK that could be spend much better elsewhere! It is the fear of Pak that is making you do this!! Dhaka was our own fault not your bravery at all! As I have said previously that it would be ridiculous to come back for dead bodies knowing they will be killed as well.

Why not 1965 when you were utterly humiliated? At Kargil suffered masses losses that you even cry about today of what Pak did to you! Even your generals accept it openly have no doubt about that! As stated previously the number you are quoting of Pak surrendering is totally exaggerated. What is however FACT is India being bought to it's knee's in 1947 and 1948. Had Sharif not been so we would have inflicted much more damage to you at Kargil, you were lucky that Israel came to you aid! Actually not at all, Pak military did nothing wrong in 1971 where as Indian cruelty is for all to see in IoK! For that your soldiers when punished cry like babies showing their burnt roti's to the world!

Pak army is brave where as your proven repeatedly is a cowardly one always freezing at the border! Even ladies whack your soldiers for harassing them See never mind the cost, we will continue to be your worst nightmare make no mistake about that! Ask Uma Bharti and Praveen Togadia who wants to invade Pak sitting on a tank to reclaim his lost land

 

[cricketjoshila]

Of course it did but you did not attack did you?? Actually we are making you spend billions in IoK that could be spend much better elsewhere! It is the fear of Pak that is making you do this!! Dhaka was our own fault not your bravery at all! As I have said previously that it would be ridiculous to come back for dead bodies knowing they will be killed as well.

Why not 1965 when you were utterly humiliated? At Kargil suffered masses losses that you even cry about today of what Pak did to you! Even your generals accept it openly have no doubt about that! As stated previously the number you are quoting of Pak surrendering is totally exaggerated. What is however FACT is India being bought to it's knee's in 1947 and 1948. Had Sharif not been so we would have inflicted much more damage to you at Kargil, you were lucky that Israel came to you aid! Actually not at all, Pak military did nothing wrong in 1971 where as Indian cruelty is for all to see in IoK! For that your soldiers when punished cry like babies showing their burnt roti's to the world!

Pak army is brave where as your proven repeatedly is a cowardly one always freezing at the border! Even ladies whack your soldiers for harassing them See never mind the cost, we will continue to be your worst nightmare make no mistake about that! Ask Uma Bharti and Praveen Togadia who wants to invade Pak sitting on a tank to reclaim his lost land

Actually with the 5th largest and one of the fastest growing economies we can afford billions, Pakistan on the other hand is on IMF bailouts.

why should we attack, when only a threat can cripple Pakistan economy. Professional Army takes it dead or atleast comes back to claim them. Mercenaries live behind their dead and then refuse to accept them/

Pakistan tried to take Kashmir and barely saved Lahore and India was humiliated? LOL. Go read history. Poor Pak Army. yes ofcourse killing 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians is so right, only in the Pak Army book. when Indian army came to Lahore, they surrendered. 93k Pakistanis in Indian jail, must be the biggest surrender since 2nd world war.

Ask Pakistan Army to make Pakistan safe enough to hold ICC cricket matches. They cant even do that and want to take on Indian Army. Pakistan Army is only capable of some small hit and runs thats all. They couldnot stop India from taking dhaka or siachen.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Actually with the 5th largest and one of the fastest growing economies we can afford billions, Pakistan on the other hand is on IMF bailouts.

why should we attack, when only a threat can cripple Pakistan economy. Professional Army takes it dead or atleast comes back to claim them. Mercenaries live behind their dead and then refuse to accept them/

Pakistan tried to take Kashmir and barely saved Lahore and India was humiliated? LOL. Go read history. Poor Pak Army. yes ofcourse killing 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians is so right, only in the Pak Army book. when Indian army came to Lahore, they surrendered. 93k Pakistanis in Indian jail, must be the biggest surrender since 2nd world war.

Ask Pakistan Army to make Pakistan safe enough to hold ICC cricket matches. They cant even do that and want to take on Indian Army. Pakistan Army is only capable of some small hit and runs thats all. They couldnot stop India from taking dhaka or siachen.

I think you have a chip on your shoulder with all this bravado. Measuring nuclear yields, money, and casualties of war? Whats with the anger and materialism? I understand you have a reason to be passionate about India recently, it's been a while, but really, claiming *Our missiles are bigger than yours* just reeks of insecurity and an inferiority complex. The fact you must compare Pakistan with India at every juncture tells me you are neither pragmatic nor level-headed at any level.

War is war, and it is brutal. I just find it sad and pathetic when people boast about war and the potential to kill innocent people.

 

[PakLFC]

Actually with the 5th largest and one of the fastest growing economies we can afford billions, Pakistan on the other hand is on IMF bailouts.

why should we attack, when only a threat can cripple Pakistan economy. Professional Army takes it dead or atleast comes back to claim them. Mercenaries live behind their dead and then refuse to accept them/

Pakistan tried to take Kashmir and barely saved Lahore and India was humiliated? LOL. Go read history. Poor Pak Army. yes ofcourse killing 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians is so right, only in the Pak Army book. when Indian army came to Lahore, they surrendered. 93k Pakistanis in Indian jail, must be the biggest surrender since 2nd world war.

Ask Pakistan Army to make Pakistan safe enough to hold ICC cricket matches. They cant even do that and want to take on Indian Army. Pakistan Army is only capable of some small hit and runs thats all. They couldnot stop India from taking dhaka or siachen.

But we still have enough weapons to to care off you no matter what we are on. First you said we "will attack when when want to" now you have changed the story! Our economy may be a mess but that is not because of India rather our own politics. You are not crippling anything at all. As said previously no army goes back for dead people, when we too care of you in 1948 and 1965 they never saw India again. How naive are you??

You wanted Lahore but got killed like no ones business in the process. We started the war, right? You still light candles at Kargil every year to pay tribute to the thousands of your soldiers who were put in their place by Musharraf! Admit it, he made you cry tears of blood! You are gonna have to clarify what you mean by "yes ofcourse killing 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians is so right, only in the Pak Army book". Did Arnab Goswami or Adityanath tell you this??

I have already refuted your 93,000 surrender rubbish. You however can not even argue how India was broken in 1947, have you read Jaswant Singh's "Jinnah: India and partition"? If not I suggest you do so without further delay to educate yourself. Has it not occurred to you that Pak is much safer now after we killed RAW terrorists and supporters? Unlike your malnourished and starving soldiers our diehards no how to fight. You will never get so called PoK back or Kulbushan no matter how much you cry tto the UN and America. Nathuram Godse wanted his ashes to be immersed in some Pak river after India had retaken it. Better that you immerse them in your own country, your army is only good at killing innocent Kashmiris. It wants none of the Pak army so stick to making embarrassing movies like "Phantom".

 

[cricketjoshila]

But we still have enough weapons to to care off you no matter what we are on. First you said we "will attack when when want to" now you have changed the story! Our economy may be a mess but that is not because of India rather our own politics. You are not crippling anything at all. As said previously no army goes back for dead people, when we too care of you in 1948 and 1965 they never saw India again. How naive are you??

You wanted Lahore but got killed like no ones business in the process. We started the war, right? You still light candles at Kargil every year to pay tribute to the thousands of your soldiers who were put in their place by Musharraf! Admit it, he made you cry tears of blood! You are gonna have to clarify what you mean by "yes ofcourse killing 100s of 1000s of innocent civilians is so right, only in the Pak Army book". Did Arnab Goswami or Adityanath tell you this??

I have already refuted your 93,000 surrender rubbish. You however can not even argue how India was broken in 1947, have you read Jaswant Singh's "Jinnah: India and partition"? If not I suggest you do so without further delay to educate yourself. Has it not occurred to you that Pak is much safer now after we killed RAW terrorists and supporters? Unlike your malnourished and starving soldiers our diehards no how to fight. You will never get so called PoK back or Kulbushan no matter how much you cry tto the UN and America. Nathuram Godse wanted his ashes to be immersed in some Pak river after India had retaken it. Better that you immerse them in your own country, your army is only good at killing innocent Kashmiris. It wants none of the Pak army so stick to making embarrassing movies like "Phantom".

Only if Pakistan could take care of India, how many times did you try to take Kashmir and ran away?

All professional armies take their dead only mercenaries dont. I know this concept msy be alien to Pak army.

You barely saved lahore in 65 while trying to take Kashmir. How poor an attempt was that? No wonder you guys lost Dhaka.

So Pakistan doesnt light candles for its dead in Kargil? Is that how you honour your martyrs? Mussharaff himself has run sway from his country, the guy was such a charlatan.

93k Pakistanis led by Gen A A K Niazi surrendered to India. Thats the truth. They owed their freedom and life to India.

No matter how much you try, Acts of British Parliament are not pakistans doing.

We have seen your die hards running away in 99 and surrendering in 71.

We are choking the rivers in Kashmir. There is nothing you can do about it.

 

[PakLFC]

Only if Pakistan could take care of India, how many times did you try to take Kashmir and ran away?

All professional armies take their dead only mercenaries dont. I know this concept msy be alien to Pak army.

You barely saved lahore in 65 while trying to take Kashmir. How poor an attempt was that? No wonder you guys lost Dhaka.

So Pakistan doesnt light candles for its dead in Kargil? Is that how you honour your martyrs? Mussharaff himself has run sway from his country, the guy was such a charlatan.

93k Pakistanis led by Gen A A K Niazi surrendered to India. Thats the truth. They owed their freedom and life to India.

No matter how much you try, Acts of British Parliament are not pakistans doing.

We have seen your die hards running away in 99 and surrendering in 71.

We are choking the rivers in Kashmir. There is nothing you can do about it.

Ran away? "PoK" and we are still fighting for it despite being nine times smaller. That shows you how courageous we are. I think you mean "starving and malnourished armies" when it comes to India? You don't know that you army posts video's of being whacked by ladies An army that rubbed Indian noses on the ground at Kargil is indeed a brave one! Dhaka was our own blunder not your bravery! I can deal with that, easily. 1947 is what makes me smile from ear to ear and greatly angers your peer's even today! I can prove it with video's of you want?

Mush had guts.Him living in Saudi was unrelated to Kargil where we did you! No, we just pray ffor our martyrs instead of crying like babes. That is your job, still crying over Hafiz, Kulbushan, Lakhvi and Dawood. Cry me a river why don't you, cry babies Not true at all. Pak fought with great bravery in 1971 as said in books like "Blood and Tears", http://www.storyofbangladesh.com/ We were outnumbered that is not to say we gave in. On the other hand you were the majority yet still could not stop 1947 or the defeat of 1965.That is the crucial difference, remember that. The final result was Gandhi being shot by one of his own Hindu fundo terrorists.

There is nothing to try about when the whole world knows how Pak was created. You had hoped to punish the Muslim's for ruling over India for centuries only for Quaid Jinnah to burst your bubble. There would have been an India without Gandhi's daft salt marches but no Jinnah, no Pakistan! Of course we have plenty of water for now, talk when you have choked us. These silly threats don't intimidate us a bit! We can do plenty like bombing you in to oblivion if it came to our survival? After all as you admit we started Kargil and 1965, We attack when it suits us, remember that!

 

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PakLFC winning this round against Joshila bhai.