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He can talk a good game but does he have the qualities to become a Pm of Pakistan?
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Lets be honest, he now has the backing from those that matter. It's almost a foregone conclusion.
Lets be honest, he now has the backing from those that matter. It's almost a foregone conclusion.
Apparently he had the backing in 2013 as well and how many seats does he get from their main playground Punjab?? 6/148 seats. Now dont tell me that 6 out of 148 seats is due to backing of hidden forces and that too after record breaking jalsas (No hidden hands can force people to attend jalsas).
And all those Independents and PMLQ heavyweights joined PMLN at last minute, who was backing them??
I do believe hidden hands always play some part but their role is massively exaggerated. Plus there is also role of international forces as well, Shujaat Ch in his book talked about American influence in 2008 elections and we all know how Nawaz/Benazir came back. Then there is role of Saudis in our elections as well.
IK came out on Geo and said the army or elements within it had a hand in defeating the PTI in punjab. But now that the hidden forces from space have joined together to help him he is gonna win with a landslide!!
He didn't say that. He said that Bajwa is a neutral COAS, and he is not backing anyone. He said that Nawaz Sharif isn't crying because the hidden forces are supporting anyone else, he is crying because the hidden forces are not supporting him anymore.
He did say army helped the PML-N in 2013 elections.
He can talk a good game but does he have the qualities to become a Pm of Pakistan?
Its not matter of his own quality, we never had a leader with better qualities since Mr. Jinnah, but question is whether we have quality of voters to elect an honest and patriotic PM ?
Allah help Pakistan if he becomes the PM. He and his party have managed to sell lies to the gullible public, but the gross incompetence of their governance has been exposed numerous times. The flaunting on social media aside, they have not lived up to the promises - the hospitals are still in a sorry state, and so are the schools.
Latest fiasco: the metro "jangla bus", which they like to call BRT. Firstly, they delayed this project for years because they wanted to complete it just before the 2018 elections, in order to capitalize on the momentum that it will generate.
However, it has panned out to be a complete disaster. The completion date is long overdue, and Sadiq & Ameen Saint Pervez Khattak has pressurized the management to complete the project before the elections.
As a result, the top management have resigned, and now the failure of this project has been delegated to the CEO, who has apparently turned out to be a undercover Nooni, and is obviously a liar and a lifafa.
I would recommend everyone to read his letter explaining the sad state of affairs, but unfortunately, our friends who source their news from PTI social media pages are not aware of his side of the story.
This is a good read on the bizarre fiasco:
"Dawn has learnt on good authority that the ADB, which has loaned $350 million for the BRT, is concerned about firing by Chief Minister Pervez Khattak of Chief Executive Officer Altaf Khan Durrani and the subsequent resignations of the chairman of its board of directors, chief financial officer and general manager (operations) and is already in contact with officers to salvage the situation.
It has been learnt that the CEO, who was shown the door by Mr Khattak for speaking his mind on the timelines, may seek legal recourse.
He said that instead of giving false timelines and shifting and delaying the launching date, knowing that those timelines were difficult to meet, given the amount of civil work pending, the chief minister needed to change his political narrative. “Rushing the project and using intimidatory tactics would compromise the quality and create more problems,” he added.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1406060
Just like Justice Wajihuddin, Altaf Durrani and the BoD have been given the marching orders for speaking the truth. These fools are only good for making accusations, lying and the fake degree holder Murad acting like a thug in the assembly and putting his hands on other men.
They cannot even make a metro without controversy, how will they run the country? No wonder the junoonis are not willing to talk about this disaster. Imagine if it was some other government, there would be a dozen threads on PP and the Junoonis would be performing bhangra.
I laugh when peole ask the question "Does he have what it takes" .. it seems like people conveniently forget the caliber of our prime ministers post Zia Ul Haq.
I mean come on.. can he really be worse than Nawaz, BB, Zerdari, Mushy, etc? you have to be smoking something really really good to believe so.
The question to ask is: "Will this nation develop half a pea sized brain to actually elect him?"
thats the question you should be asking!
Sir even "educated" folks are coming out with statements like "Allah help Pak if he ever becomes PM".... as if the likes of Nawaz and Benazir have made us an Asian tiger.
The fact is most of the "educated" people who support these traditional parties support them because they benefit from their corruption. The people who aren't very literate they will keep voting for them no matter what, but you expect better from educated/informed folks.
How pathetic are you guys. He has raised perfectly valid points and you derail the thread![]()
He used to be called 'Messiah" by his critics for believing that he would change things, not every aspect of Pakistan, but for the better, he would change things in Pakistan. Some how that believe in him was labelled as believing him to be a "Messiah", but remember, never said he would turn the land of Pakistan into a land of no garbage and 100% corrupt free. None of his supporter are that delusional.
Off course, nothing will be perfect, but it will be better.
The person who is criticizing IK, is for the sake of criticism. Every PTI supporter understand that nothing will be 100% perfect, not even close to perfection, but, things will be better under his government compare to PML-N or PPP or any other party.
So, since they have nothing else to criticized, they resort to asking questions, such as, why aren't institutions perfect, IK never claimed or sold the idea of perfection, he simply said it will be better than what we have.
PTI supporters aren't delusional and since most of the critics do not have much to to criticized they make straw man argument.
Perfection takes time, in Pakistan, it will probably take longer. But, you can't get close to perfection if one keep electing the party of PML-N and PPP.
[MENTION=137870]www787[/MENTION]
Please read up the disastrous mismanagement of the metro bus project in Peshawar. What aspect of it is better than what the other governments have done in other provinces?
No one is asking for perfection, but in spite of making tall claims, they have shown that they are not ready to take the reigns at the federal level. They delayed this project for years out of spite, but when the election drew close, they realized that they can use it to win votes.
Now that they have also realized that they cannot finish the project in time, they have pushed the panic button.
Imran is called a messiah because that is what he thinks of himself, and that is how his supporters view him. He came out all guns blazing with a lot of stupid claims, for example, the laughable notion that he would convert the CM House into a library.
Every sane individual knew that it was both irrelevant and impossible, but he made those hollow statements to win the votes of the gullible folks, who easily walked into his lies.
Almost everything that PTI stood up for has backfired. They have infiltrated their party with the most despicable politicians under the guise of ''electables'', and KPK government is strife with family politics - the Khattaks are everywhere.
Speaking of electables, how can any sane person support PTI after the inclusion of Amir Liaquat is beyond me.
All their talk of fixing education and healthcare has proved to be hot air as well, and as I stated above, they cannot even make a metro.
The problem is that their social media propaganda is very good at selling lies to the people who are not aware of the ground realities.
For example, they claimed yesterday that they have established 9 universities in KPK. The reality however, is completely different.
In a nutshell, PTI has failed over the last five years to prove their worth in KPK. Instead of making accusations after accusations, contradicting their manifesto and selling propagandas to the public, they should have focused on delivering in KPK, which they have failed to do so.
The only saving grace is that the top politicians of PTI are not corrupt. However, what is the point of being clean when you are not competent to begin with?
Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.
PTI will not win the election unless they form a coalition government, and the notion that they will "learn on the job" and get better with time means little, because federal governments are not for experiments. They had their chance in KPK and they botched it.
They couldn't even practice what they preached, and they couldn't even make a metro in five years. The excuse? They were focused on more significant issues such as education, law and order and healthcare. Great, but they are in the dumps as well.
Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.
Very low chances.
[MENTION=137870]www787[/MENTION]
Please read up the disastrous mismanagement of the metro bus project in Peshawar. What aspect of it is better than what the other governments have done in other provinces?
No one is asking for perfection, but in spite of making tall claims, they have shown that they are not ready to take the reigns at the federal level. They delayed this project for years out of spite, but when the election drew close, they realized that they can use it to win votes.
Now that they have also realized that they cannot finish the project in time, they have pushed the panic button.
Imran is called a messiah because that is what he thinks of himself, and that is how his supporters view him. He came out all guns blazing with a lot of stupid claims, for example, the laughable notion that he would convert the CM House into a library.
Every sane individual knew that it was both irrelevant and impossible, but he made those hollow statements to win the votes of the gullible folks, who easily walked into his lies.
Almost everything that PTI stood up for has backfired. They have infiltrated their party with the most despicable politicians under the guise of ''electables'', and KPK government is strife with family politics - the Khattaks are everywhere.
Speaking of electables, how can any sane person support PTI after the inclusion of Amir Liaquat is beyond me.
All their talk of fixing education and healthcare has proved to be hot air as well, and as I stated above, they cannot even make a metro.
The problem is that their social media propaganda is very good at selling lies to the people who are not aware of the ground realities.
For example, they claimed yesterday that they have established 9 universities in KPK. The reality however, is completely different.
In a nutshell, PTI has failed over the last five years to prove their worth in KPK. Instead of making accusations after accusations, contradicting their manifesto and selling propagandas to the public, they should have focused on delivering in KPK, which they have failed to do so.
The only saving grace is that the top politicians of PTI are not corrupt. However, what is the point of being clean when you are not competent to begin with?
Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.
PTI will not win the election unless they form a coalition government, and the notion that they will "learn on the job" and get better with time means little, because federal governments are not for experiments. They had their chance in KPK and they botched it.
They couldn't even practice what they preached, and they couldn't even make a metro in five years. The excuse? They were focused on more significant issues such as education, law and order and healthcare. Great, but they are in the dumps as well.
You elect the people on ideology, their determination, their integrity, expectation and hope.
Obama was probably not a great senator of IL, but he had all of the above.And, he did manage to steer US economy into right direction.
Was he perfect, NO!
Is IK perfect, NO! But his 11 points that he has presented, I want to see if anyone can argue against that this is what Pakistan needed at the moment to prosper instead of bridges and roads. He may not be able to full fill every promise. But as long as he can can get close to it, It will steer Pakistan into right direction.
About competency, do explain how IK isn't competent to run the country and Nawas Sharif is? I can't wait to read it.
He is as competent as or better as a next man to run the country.
And why would that be?
You elect the people on ideology, their determination, their integrity, expectation and hope.
Obama was probably not a great senator of IL, but he had all of the above.And, he did manage to steer US economy into right direction.
Was he perfect, NO!
Is IK perfect, NO! But his 11 points that he has presented, I want to see if anyone can argue against that this is what Pakistan needed at the moment to prosper instead of bridges and roads. He may not be able to full fill every promise. But as long as he can can get close to it, It will steer Pakistan into right direction.
About competency, do explain how IK isn't competent to run the country and Nawas Sharif is? I can't wait to read it.
He is as competent as or better as a next man to run the country.
The National Accoun*tability Bureau (NAB) has summoned Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan next week in connection with an ongoing inquiry against the alleged misuse of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government's helicopters for private visits by the PTI chief.
A notice has been issued to Khan to appear before NAB Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on July 18, an official confirmed to DawnNewsTV.
NAB chairman retired Justice Javed Iqbal had in February this year directed the bureau’s KP director general to conduct an inquiry against the PTI chief and then-KP chief minister Pervez Khattak over unofficial use of two government helicopters — MI-17 and Ecureuil — by misusing authority.
A press release issued by the bureau had stated that there is documentary evidence that Khan paid Rs2.1 million for using an Mi-17 and an Ecureuil helicopter belonging to the KP government for a total of 74 hours, which amounts to Rs28,000 spent for every hour the helicopters were used.
The NAB report claims that had Khan used a private company's choppers, it would have cost him an hourly fare of between Rs1m and Rs1.2m for the Mi-17, and between Rs0.5m and Rs0.6m for the Ecureuil.
Citing Pervez Khattak's principal adviser on technical training and aviation, the report added that the use of KP helicopters can cost as much as Rs0.2m per hour.
It claimed that Khan should have paid the KP government Rs11.1m, but official documents only mention payments worth Rs2.1m.
According to sources, the PTI chief was served summons after the NAB chairman approved an application in this regard by the bureau's KP chapter.
Khan had claimed at a party meeting that he had not used official helicopters of the PTI-led KP government for personal use.
Former chief minister Khattak has previously appeared before NAB in connection with the inquiry as well. An inquiry had been ordered against him to ascertain if he had the power to hand over 'sensitive' assets such as choppers for non-governmental usage.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1419616/imran-khan-summoned-by-nab-for-misusing-kp-govts-helicopters
If pti secures a 100 seats I think he will be in a very strong position to win.
I thought he was laadla of NAb and estab?
This is such a crap, cheap tactics of Army to show they are not biased. Are you that naive?![]()
The true nightmare of democracy is to have a population who cannot understand what is good for them and what is not.Its already too late. I actually don't want Khan to be PM with Pakistan in all this mess, there needs to be a bloody coup and a one party rule in Pakistan for the next 30 years to improve things, Kinda like China. Democracy is Pakistan's cancer.
The true nightmare of democracy is to have a population who cannot understand what is good for them and what is not.
It might sound snobbish but that is the reason why the Founding Fathers of America established an electoral college.
Very true. However ironically Trump won because of the electoral college and not the popular vote.
That's true!
But the lobbying in Congress and gerrymandering ensured a Trump victory.
For a lot of people here, it was the lesser of two and a lot of Democrats were bitter that Sanders was not elected so they felt that Hillary should not win no matter the cost.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will it be Easy ??? Nope..<br>Will it Worth it ??? Absolutely..<br>Enough is Enough..Time to bring Change <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKISTAN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKISTAN</a> All the Best in the upcoming elections Skipper,,We are all behind you <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a></p>— Waqar Younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/1020020944419471361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Isn’t it almost certain now? It’ll be very interesting to see how Pakistan progress in the next couple of years.
It'll be either Imran Khan, or Bilawal Bhutto. The latter if he gangs up with Nawaz Sharif's party to force a majority.
No it will either be Imran Khan or Zardari as Prime Minister.
At the moment it's looking like Imran Khan.
No it will either be Imran Khan or Zardari as Prime Minister.
At the moment it's looking like Imran Khan.
Zardari will never again hold a position in the federal government.
But he will never be punished like Nawaz either. So much for accountability.
How do you know?Can you see the future now too?Did you know even 3 years ago what would happen to Nawaz?
Isn’t it almost certain now? It’ll be very interesting to see how Pakistan progress in the next couple of years.
It'll be either Imran Khan, or Bilawal Bhutto. The latter if he gangs up with Nawaz Sharif's party to force a majority.
it will be hung parliament. if i am not wrong Imran khan needs 137 seats to become PM.