Reason why India has become such a solid team

[GoUgandaCranes]

The T20 Asia cup was the first tournament in a very long time where we played 3 matches against the neighbors and it showed the tactical advantage that they have over us.

If anyone wants to know how they have advanced so much, just look at this


Both their A team & U19s are actually playing against the best in the world. There's so much money that's going into grassroots cricket, the academies are churning out well-drilled player after player.

Meanwhile we don't even have a proper start date for our premier first class tournament and the U19 tournament is being played by amateurs from random small towns an provinces that don't even have proper cricketing facilities.

Jazba, daleri, talunt hunts, jigra nahi systems bananay partay hain in the pursuit of elite perfection.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India A is playing Australia A first tests then ODIs

India under 19 played youth tests in England followed by youth ODI series in Australia
Now playing youth tests and dominate

Prestigious irani trophy is also under way where Rest of India play against Ranji winner.

Tomorrow India plays Windies in test series. India has the bench strength to play multiple formats in multiple age group at the same time. One notable aspect is none of them have T20 in their schedule..Either one day games or tests or both

 

[jnaveen1980]

If pakistan doesn't want to be left further behind they should shelve this obsession with building a modern T20 unit. They cannot match any top team for years in terms of t20 batting.. Just build a solid bowling unit. Post par score and defend it with conventional approach.

 

[cricfan432]

If pakistan doesn't want to be left further behind they should shelve this obsession with building a modern T20 unit. They cannot match any top team for years in terms of t20 batting.. Just build a solid bowling unit. Post par score and defend it with conventional approach.

You yourself said, abhishek sharma learned power hitting later on. So what does it take, 2-3 years at best? Why should we not invest in these 2-3 years instead of going back to conventional approach where you indians are bent on taking us. Is power hitting some divine gift that only descends on first world countries which india claims to be.
@Rana will tell you we have better players than rizwan and babar

 

[prisha]

T20 is ruining players ability to play for longer hours. Pakistanis should reduce the league games and concentrate on test cricket and train youngsters to develop stamina and not get into mental fog for longer games. Instant gratification is killing cricket in my opinion.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You yourself said, abhishek sharma learned power hitting later on. So what does it take, 2-3 years at best? Why should we not invest in these 2-3 years instead of going back to conventional approach where you indians are bent on taking us. Is power hitting some divine gift that only descends on first world countries which india claims to be.
@Rana will tell you we have better players than rizwan and babar

Abhishek did not learn at rop level. He learnt with Yuvraj in the nets. Lara and Moody promoted him as opener for IPL teams when was mostly an orthodox player. He was part of under 19 world cup winning team. He did not learn things on the job which is what pakistan is doing now.

 

[Markhor]

India are playing a different sport. We can't compare or use them as a template - their IPL broadcast revenues alone eclipse the broadcast revenues of every other cricket board combined.

Our broke ass economy means we cannot invest anywhere near similar sums of money into academies, grounds, and so on. And whatever money we do generate, the Part Time Chairman has mishandled with his harebrained schemes and random hiring/firing.

Therefore I can accept losing to India given the disparities. What's impossible to accept is not even performing the basics of a functioning cricket nation.

Start your FC competition on schedule. Keep to a regular, competitive format instead of sweeping changes every single year. Pay your domestic cricketers on time. Appoint qualified coaches at junior and domestic level instead of giving jobs to the boys. Organise an annual programme of Shaheens tours. Prepare a variety of pitches across the country. Is this asking too much ?!

It's not like we're asking PCB to split the atom.

 

[saimayubera]

It all boils down to one thing - economy.

Indians have become richer hence more money in the entire ecosystem hence a better team.

Indian cricket has been steadily climbing since the 2000s, in parallel with the economy.

Pakistan's economy stagnated and they couldn't keep up.

This is not even a cricket thing.

Countries when they become richer just become better in sports and arts.

Not just because of BCCI/state associations but general ecosystem - better local cricket coaching, more supportive parents, access to gyms/nutrition blah blah blah.

Considering India has decades of solid growth left, Indian cricket will only become better,

 

[jnaveen1980]

Before SA 20 cricket south africa was also not a rich board. How do they unearth talents. Nz has no premiere leagues. Cricket is not their main sports. How do they unearth talents

 

[saimayubera]

India A is playing Australia A first tests then ODIs

India under 19 played youth tests in England followed by youth ODI series in Australia
Now playing youth tests and dominate

Prestigious irani trophy is also under way where Rest of India play against Ranji winner.

Tomorrow India plays Windies in test series. India has the bench strength to play multiple formats in multiple age group at the same time. One notable aspect is none of them have T20 in their schedule..Either one day games or tests or both

India A also played England Lions before the test series.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In the past pak players county cricket helped pak players.

 

[Savak]

India are playing a different sport. We can't compare or use them as a template - their IPL broadcast revenues alone eclipse the broadcast revenues of every other cricket board combined.

Our broke ass economy means we cannot invest anywhere near similar sums of money into academies, grounds, and so on. And whatever money we do generate, the Part Time Chairman has mishandled with his harebrained schemes and random hiring/firing.

Therefore I can accept losing to India given the disparities. What's impossible to accept is not even performing the basics of a functioning cricket nation.

Start your FC competition on schedule. Keep to a regular, competitive format instead of sweeping changes every single year. Pay your domestic cricketers on time. Appoint qualified coaches at junior and domestic level instead of giving jobs to the boys. Organise an annual programme of Shaheens tours. Prepare a variety of pitches across the country. Is this asking too much ?!

It's not like we're asking PCB to split the atom.

The starting point is to run the PCB and the regional cricket academies competently and on a privatization basis where the management is answerable to the shareholders. Once stakeholders are convinced an entity is managed professionally, only then do they develop the confidence to inject funds.

Right now the PCB is being run by Punjab Government bureaucrats and the only cricketers in charge are the likes of Aqib Javed, Wahab Riaz who are favored heavily by PML N and the establishment.

I would actually argue that the money the PCB is spending on its employees, regional associations, coaches are pretty sufficient to run cricket, the real thing that needs to be done is a proper value for money audit i.e. what return is the PCB and Pakistan Cricket achieving for the money being spent? How much value is the PCB and Pakistan Cricket actually earning from the salaries being paid to the PCB employees, coaches? What are they KPI's and Appraisal processes? A lot of PCB staff, coaches are enjoying govt job like privilleges where people are not held accountable for non-performance.

 

[saimayubera]

Before SA 20 cricket south africa was also not a rich board. How do they unearth talents. Nz has no premiere leagues. Cricket is not their main sports. How do they unearth talents

NZ is a rich first world country and that impacts its systems. Nutrition, supportive parents, professionalism etc.

SA is not as rich but it is still upper middle income.

 

[saimayubera]

In the past pak players county cricket helped pak players.

Yeah, county declined plus they had the cap on foreign players. WI also declined for similar reasons.

 

[saimayubera]

When SA come to India, an India-A/SA-A tour will also happen in parallel.

 

[Savak]

In the past pak players county cricket helped pak players.

County Cricket has changed now, counties no longer sign up foreign players like they did in the past. County Cricket is helpful for a batsman but not for bowlers especially spinners for e.g. Saqlain Mushtaq, Danish Kaneria were ruined by county cricket. You see Hassan Ali many times have a good successful county stint but everytime he comes back to international cricket, you find him looking very pedestrian on flat pitches and against world class players.

Counties now only look for foreign signings with respect to their Vitality Blast T-20 league, Hundred and One Day Competition.

 

[BreadPakoda]

On the other hand, why are Bangladesh and Afghanistan playing T20s again? That too in Sharjah?

 

[Savak]

T20 is ruining players ability to play for longer hours. Pakistanis should reduce the league games and concentrate on test cricket and train youngsters to develop stamina and not get into mental fog for longer games. Instant gratification is killing cricket in my opinion.

This stance is not practical. T-20 cricket is a reality. Just look at the massive criticism the PCB is facing now with their announcement of temporarily blocking NOC's for T-20 leagues and tieing it to participation in domestic cricket and international performance. Every time the PCB does this, the media, the players and their agents start criticizing the PCB i.e. the PCB is blocking our livelihoods, we will quit the central contracts and become freelancers, the PCB is forcing players to indulge in corrupt practices e.t.c.

What would be a better solution is for the PCB to try and host their top most elite competitions for T-20, ODI and 4 day cricket in the cooler areas of Pakistan during a time period when all the national team players are available during the year and the competitions will also include the top 100 performers from the other domestic competitions in Pakistan

 

[Devadwal]

You yourself said, abhishek sharma learned power hitting later on. So what does it take, 2-3 years at best? Why should we not invest in these 2-3 years instead of going back to conventional approach where you indians are bent on taking us. Is power hitting some divine gift that only descends on first world countries which india claims to be.
@Rana will tell you we have better players than rizwan and babar

When I first saw Abhishek in the IPL, he was a poor batsman who couldn't even hit a big six, but I don't know how or where he learned his batting skills. I'm sure Yuvi couldn't teach him everything without his own hard work. There is not short cut for These skills.

 

[saimayubera]

You yourself said, abhishek sharma learned power hitting later on. So what does it take, 2-3 years at best? Why should we not invest in these 2-3 years instead of going back to conventional approach where you indians are bent on taking us. Is power hitting some divine gift that only descends on first world countries which india claims to be.
@Rana will tell you we have better players than rizwan and babar

Don't have the structure.

You need a Yuvraj who is willing to coach off his own money (now working with Prabhsimran and Arya) and then an IPL where you can play with Head/Klassen and Cummins as a captain to build an Abhishek Sharma.

Abhishek and Tilak both have become so good in a little over a year.

Abhishek only came of age in 2024 and he only got opportunities because India rested Gill/Jaiswal for T20Is. 2025 England series really became consistent and is what he is now.

Same with Tilak. Was on the fringes. Got back in the team in the 2024 series vs SA - hit two centuries, good series against England, now Asia Cup.

Tilak was also made in that 2023 MI nightmare season where he was constantly arresting collapses.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Even the A series that Pakistan Shaheens play are usually against weaker cricketing nations like Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh. Either that or they are playing in some nonsense T20 competition down in Whogivesaf, Australia..

 

[Sachin fan]

THey are a good cricket team, no one denies that.

The Indians are just a stupid bunch that are very annoying and come off as peasants with no manners. It becomes tad annoying when a guy who has only a fan in his room, cant afford luxuries in India, yet types how he feels proud BCCI made 100 carores Pakistan cant make that much money, while that poster himself struggles to pay bills.

Jealousy and insecurity reeks from such posts. Throughout history people of all countries have been fans of their teams and sportsperson.

When money is directly transitioning into performance for the team they cheer, yes, ues it matters.

You can cry like a baby all you want but all the money is clearly making a difference in the performance.

 

[Major]

In this Asia Cup, India for the first time ever did had the status of the Australia team of 1995-2007, where you are thinking this is the team we cant beat so lets hope for a miracle.

We can go on about their batting talent and spin talent, but thats not the reason why India purely dominates. Its the kind of captains these guys make. Its the think tank that they have which includes their selectors, coaches and the captain. 5 spinners in the champions trophy and everyone was bashing them. I knew for a fact that in UAE these guys will pull it off as you need 5 spinners.

I watched the first IPL, i watched the kind of rubbish Ravindra Jadeja was, but than Dhoni knew how to use that guy and made him into a star.

I have no ego to admit that India is amongst the best side.

My only issue is with their fans, the Indian nationals and now their captain of the T20 team. The fans will defend anything. THey may not be able to afford their needs or wants and would do bhangra over BCCI making 100 carore. They will defend everything wrong their team or countyr does.

Look at the post above, the poster @Sachin fan still doesnt understand what i am trying to say, becuase they think critisizng their teams or countryes issue is being anti national.

No fan in the world celebrates their sports board making 100 carore, even if you are a liverpool or Man U fan. Infact, such fans would start questioning their sports board that why arnt they getting that money in terms of better parking or better stadium experience.

Their captain has start to bring his stupid nationalism to the game, which is why their team willl always lack any respect on this forum.

Great team, but a pathetic and stupid group of supporters with an now equally jahil captain.

 

[Savak]

Don't have the structure.

You need a Yuvraj who is willing to coach off his own money (now working with Prabhsimran and Arya) and then an IPL where you can play with Head/Klassen and Cummins as a captain to build an Abhishek Sharma.

Abhishek and Tilak both have become so good in a little over a year.

Abhishek only came of age in 2024 and he only got opportunities because India rested Gill/Jaiswal for T20Is. 2025 England series really became consistent and is what he is now.

Same with Tilak. Was on the fringes. Got back in the team in the 2024 series vs SA - hit two centuries, good series against England, now Asia Cup.

Tilak was also made in that 2023 MI nightmare season where he was constantly arresting collapses.

I find it fascinating that a multi millionaire like Yuvraj is willing to sacrifice his free time to coach mentor youngsters when he is not even being paid for it. In contrast Pakistani legends will not only demand to be paid an astronomical amount for the same, they will also demand the right to pick choose their own hours and demand to have to work at the bare minimum. There is definitely a work ethic difference between the people from both the nations.

 

[Savak]

Even the A series that Pakistan Shaheens play are usually against weaker cricketing nations like Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh. Either that or they are playing in some nonsense T20 competition down in Whogivesaf, Australia..

When Pakistan does send its Shaheen's team to England, Australia, you find they are playing against the weakest possible academies or franchise team.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

When Pakistan does send its Shaheen's team to England, Australia, you find they are playing against the weakest possible academies or franchise team.

Yeah and I'm surprised they put up with it. How are your A team players (who are supposedly next in line for national selection) going to get better by playing junior team players from these countries? Frankly, it's a bit insulting when you think about it.

 

[Mockingbird]

THey are a good cricket team, no one denies that.

The Indians are just a stupid bunch that are very annoying and come off as peasants with no manners. It becomes tad annoying when a guy who has only a fan in his room, cant afford luxuries in India, yet types how he feels proud BCCI made 100 carores Pakistan cant make that much money, while that poster himself struggles to pay bills.

And how do you know that guy only has a fan in his room? India ain’t that poor country anymore…

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

India are playing a different sport. We can't compare or use them as a template - their IPL broadcast revenues alone eclipse the broadcast revenues of every other cricket board combined.

Our broke ass economy means we cannot invest anywhere near similar sums of money into academies, grounds, and so on. And whatever money we do generate, the Part Time Chairman has mishandled with his harebrained schemes and random hiring/firing.

Therefore I can accept losing to India given the disparities. What's impossible to accept is not even performing the basics of a functioning cricket nation.

Start your FC competition on schedule. Keep to a regular, competitive format instead of sweeping changes every single year. Pay your domestic cricketers on time. Appoint qualified coaches at junior and domestic level instead of giving jobs to the boys. Organise an annual programme of Shaheens tours. Prepare a variety of pitches across the country. Is this asking too much ?!

It's not like we're asking PCB to split the atom.

Agreed that we have a terrible economy currently but PCB is still the 4th or 5th richest board in the world & earns in dollars which gives the organization a distinct advantage as to an extent they are inflation proof.

Add to that they they have prime properties in multiple cities means that they can also spend money on academies or as @Savak has said privatize them properly so they add value to our cricket eco-system.

The issue is the absolute clownery that we see from PCB and the government. Our cricket is a job factory for nepo-babies who have zero vision, education, or any real interest in cricket. They come in, run the board like their personal fiefdom & when the term of the gov ends, another clown enters the palace & the cycle continues.

Where are the regional associations? Where's the age group cricket in schools? What's happening with club cricket? How's progression managed in age group cricket? We have let mediocrity run through our arteries for such a long time that the concept of quality is now alien for us.

 

[saimayubera]

And how do you know that guy only has a fan in his room? India ain’t that poor country anymore…

Maybe projecting from Pakistan?

Lots of Pakistanis are in denial of how much richer Indians are compared to them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I wouldn't care if my team sucks in T20Is. Test is where I want India to get good at.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I wouldn't care if my team sucks in T20Is. Test is where I want India to get good at.

India is a good test team

 

[BreadPakoda]

When Pakistan does send its Shaheen's team to England, Australia, you find they are playing against the weakest possible academies or franchise team.

Didn't Shaheens lose to one of those academy teams?

 

[Josh]

India has a big middle class now who sees cricket as an option to riches. Even if you don't get to play in the national team, the money is good in domestic cricket and if you get to play in IPL that's life changing sum of money.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Economy angle is there But is being overplayed.

 

[sweep_shot]

They became a solid team by ripping off others for an extended period of time.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The T20 Asia cup was the first tournament in a very long time where we played 3 matches against the neighbors and it showed the tactical advantage that they have over us.

If anyone wants to know how they have advanced so much, just look at this

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Both their A team & U19s are actually playing against the best in the world. There's so much money that's going into grassroots cricket, the academies are churning out well-drilled player after player.

Meanwhile we don't even have a proper start date for our premier first class tournament and the U19 tournament is being played by amateurs from random small towns an provinces that don't even have proper cricketing facilities.

Jazba, daleri, talunt hunts, jigra nahi systems bananay partay hain in the pursuit of elite perfection.

Wow astonishing to see... Certainly it means that current lot are nothing compared to them and Australia may struggle to humiliate India again like BGT 24/25....bad news and shame for PCT too who can only send squads to play darwin matches

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Even the A series that Pakistan Shaheens play are usually against weaker cricketing nations like Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh. Either that or they are playing in some nonsense T20 competition down in Whogivesaf, Australia..

Shaheens programme has undoubtedly been inferior to India A in recent times.


There's no point in going to England and playing MCC young cricketers/South Asian Academy and going to Australia and playing Perth scorchers academy , Nepal in a T20 tournament.

They should only play Lions and Australia A in List A and FC cricket.

Even Sri Lanka and West Indies don't do that.

 

[Devadwal]

Wow astonishing to see... Certainly it means that current lot are nothing compared to them and Australia may struggle to humiliate India again like BGT 24/25....bad news and shame for PCT too who can only send squads to play darwin matches

Current Australia team only have won a Test series out of last 5 BGT Series .

Last 5 BGT Series.

India -4 ( 2 Home and 2 Away)
Australia -1

So India Humiliated Australia .lol

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Current Australia team only have won a Test series out of last 5 BGT Series .

Last 5 BGT Series.

India -4 ( 2 Home and 2 Away)
Australia -1

So India Humiliated Australia .lol

Hahah... A piece of advice let these U19 guys play in Australia next month or else your seniors might struggle against Aus "C"side

 

[Savak]

India has a big middle class now who sees cricket as an option to riches. Even if you don't get to play in the national team, the money is good in domestic cricket and if you get to play in IPL that's life changing sum of money.

I read that even a domestic player who plays a few seasons for his state team in the Ranjhi Trophy earns handsomely to the point where he doesn't need to explore cricketing opportunities to earn outside India as he can afford to buy a house, run his house, hire a dietician, personal trainer and focus full time on his cricket?

That's a big advantage. In comparison players in Pakistani domestic cricket are desperate of department sponsorship, salaries, cricketing opportunities in leagues in the UK, T-20 leagues all over the world.

 

[nish_mate]

Hahah... A piece of advice let these U19 guys play in Australia next month or else your seniors might struggle against Aus "C"side

and you say with a straight face whilst remembering last time Pakistan managed to avoid Test Humiliation in Ozland?

 

[Savak]

Current Australia team only have won a Test series out of last 5 BGT Series .

Last 5 BGT Series.

India -4 ( 2 Home and 2 Away)
Australia -1

So India Humiliated Australia .lol

I saw the BG series in 2024/25, the 3-1 scoreline shouldn't mislead people that the series was one sided. That series was very competitive and the scoreline could easily have been 2-2 or 3-1 in India's favour.

India shocked Australia badly in the first test at Perth and it forced the aussies to wake up and come back harder, it also benefited Australia where Hazelwood got injured and ended up getting replaced by Scott Boland and therefore India had to face with a newer bowler for a change. India were also not helped by their seniors like Rohit, Kohli not stepping up. Kohli showed horrific indiscipline outside offstump and the selectors were forced to tell these two seniors its time to make way for others. Siraj too went missing in this series in some of the test matches.

 

[straighttalk]

They became a solid team by ripping off others for an extended period of time.

How are they ripping off others?

 

[Josh]

I read that even a domestic player who plays a few seasons for his state team in the Ranjhi Trophy earns handsomely to the point where he doesn't need to explore cricketing opportunities to earn outside India as he can afford to buy a house, run his house, hire a dietician, personal trainer and focus full time on his cricket?

That's a big advantage. In comparison players in Pakistani domestic cricket are desperate of department sponsorship, salaries, cricketing opportunities in leagues in the UK, T-20 leagues all over the world.

A beginner who plays Ranji Trophy earns about 40000 INR (133000 pkr) as match fees per day and then there are various domestic T20 leagues. The guys in the bench get half the amount. This is at beginner level.

 

[Devadwal]

I saw the BG series in 2024/25, the 3-1 scoreline shouldn't mislead people that the series was one sided. That series was very competitive and the scoreline could easily have been 2-2 or 3-1 in India's favour.

India shocked Australia badly in the first test at Perth and it forced the aussies to wake up and come back harder, it also benefited Australia where Hazelwood got injured and ended up getting replaced by Scott Boland and therefore India had to face with a newer bowler for a change. India were also not helped by their seniors like Rohit, Kohli not stepping up. Kohli showed horrific indiscipline outside offstump and the selectors were forced to tell these two seniors its time to make way for others. Siraj too went missing in this series in some of the test matches.

In the bowling department, Bumrah was a one man army, no other bowler supported Bumrah, otherwise we could have drawn 2-2 or won 3-1.

 

[Josh]

A beginner who plays Ranji Trophy earns about 40000 INR (133000 pkr) as match fees per day and then there are various domestic T20 leagues. The guys in the bench get half the amount. This is at beginner level.

Established players get about 65000 INR per day and 40K INR on the bench

 

[Markhor]

Agreed that we have a terrible economy currently but PCB is still the 4th or 5th richest board in the world & earns in dollars which gives the organization a distinct advantage as to an extent they are inflation proof.

Add to that they they have prime properties in multiple cities means that they can also spend money on academies or as @Savak has said privatize them properly so they add value to our cricket eco-system.

The issue is the absolute clownery that we see from PCB and the government. Our cricket is a job factory for nepo-babies who have zero vision, education, or any real interest in cricket. They come in, run the board like their personal fiefdom & when the term of the gov ends, another clown enters the palace & the cycle continues.

Where are the regional associations? Where's the age group cricket in schools? What's happening with club cricket? How's progression managed in age group cricket? We have let mediocrity run through our arteries for such a long time that the concept of quality is now alien for us.

Wasim Khan was endlessly flamed by our media but was the only PCB exec who tried to properly define and organise our pathways.

I know some weren't a fan of the 6 team concept - but often overlooked is the PCB introduced 2nd XI and City Cricket (remember that idea ?) underneath the FC setup.

There was an attempt to finally create self-sustaining regional associations tasked with running cricket in its jurisdictions. These regions found sponsors even during the height of Covid. Now nobody knows what the state of regional associations are, who runs them, what programmes are in place to develop talent etc.

In contrast (Indian posters can correct me) the regional associations in India are very powerful. In the past, some regional heads were almost as powerful as the BCCI head. They'd fiercely protect their interests (probably took some backhanders in SC tradition) but ran their zones like fiefdoms.

In Pakistan, the Chairman is accountable to nobody and care zilch about creating structures or decentralising power. Unsurprisingly our cricket suffers. It's so tiring it makes you want to stop watching altogether.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I saw the BG series in 2024/25, the 3-1 scoreline shouldn't mislead people that the series was one sided. That series was very competitive and the scoreline could easily have been 2-2 or 3-1 in India's favour.

India shocked Australia badly in the first test at Perth and it forced the aussies to wake up and come back harder, it also benefited Australia where Hazelwood got injured and ended up getting replaced by Scott Boland and therefore India had to face with a newer bowler for a change. India were also not helped by their seniors like Rohit, Kohli not stepping up. Kohli showed horrific indiscipline outside offstump and the selectors were forced to tell these two seniors its time to make way for others. Siraj too went missing in this series in some of the test matches.

This is true. No shame in admitting we’re rubbish in NZ, but we compete well in England and SA, and are the best touring side in Australia.

 

[Mirpuri Don]

If I’m not wrong, the population of the Caribbean islands that make up the West Indies never went over 4/5 million.

That’s a tiny population compared to others, yet when they had less money they produced some of the all time best bowlers as well batsmen (too many names, some of those who count break into the XI back then would be ATGs elsewhere.)

They were never a so called first world country (or set of countries) like NZ which has a similar population yet were better when they were poorer.

Pakistan too for decades had relied on basically two cities (Lahore and Karachi), before the rise of Waqar Younis, and there too there were results.

So don’t think it’s a matter of money but more so how that (little or bigger) money is handled as well more systemic issues (the organization of cricket like departmental and so on, quality of pitches, availability of school cricket, coaching at basic level, you name it! So many things outside money!)

India because of its population and liberal economy since the 90s has become a convenient excuse to basically to not do anything substantial and systemic in terms of transformational reforms.

 

[Boyka]

If pakistan doesn't want to be left further behind they should shelve this obsession with building a modern T20 unit. They cannot match any top team for years in terms of t20 batting.. Just build a solid bowling unit. Post par score and defend it with conventional approach.

These are wise words, the decline has happened because of the deterioration of the main bowlers getting smashed every second game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These are wise words, the decline has happened because of the deterioration of the main bowlers getting smashed every second game.

Pakistan is over-complicating by trying to copy others. Historically Pakistan's strike rate is barely above Srilanka/Afghanistan/Bangladesh. By the same token Pakistan's ER is the second best after Afghanistan against regular test nations. Pakistan is one of the best bowling unit in T20 history also one of the worst batting unit in T20 history. This is not going to change. If anything they are trying to make it worse by loading the side with bits and pieces hacks.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Another thing is self-development is lacking among Pakistan cricketers. Almost every Indian cricketers have some childhood coach. They frequently visit get things fixed or improved. Kuldeep bowling practiced in Sand. Younis Khan story is probably a good example

Former Pakistan batsman Younis Khan reveals how Rahul Dravid helped him become a better cricketer

India vs Pakistan: Rahul Dravid, who is credited to have mentored some of the best young cricketers in India, had once helped Pakistan's Younis Khan with some crucial advice.

www.timesnownews.com

“The tips and advice I got from Dravid at the early stages of my career helped me develop into a top batsman who was comfortable at the number three. Dravid was a top-class professional and one of the greats of the modern era and I learned from him,” Younis said.

Khan said as a junior player he had asked for just five minutes from Dravid, who was an established name in world cricket by then, but to his surprise, the former Indian batsmen himself came to him and helped him out with his technique.

“I went to Rahul Dravid in 2004 Champions Trophy in Birmingham and I asked for 5 minutes but Dravid himself came to me and I was a junior player. I asked him a few questions and I took them ahead and it changed my cricket,” he added.

 

[sweep_shot]

How are they ripping off others?

BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

 

[saimayubera]

BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

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[straighttalk]

BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

Second point I agree. First..it's called policy..other board can borrow the same. Also we have ensured parity with Paksitani cricketers and they are so salty to miss out evil Hindu dollars

 

[Boyka]

Pakistan is over-complicating by trying to copy others. Historically Pakistan's strike rate is barely above Srilanka/Afghanistan/Bangladesh. By the same token Pakistan's ER is the second best after Afghanistan against regular test nations. Pakistan is one of the best bowling unit in T20 history also one of the worst batting unit in T20 history. This is not going to change. If anything they are trying to make it worse by loading the side with bits and pieces hacks.

Yeah if they don’t have the batting talent then you can’t improve strike rates.

We’ve lacked good spinners for a while now, but we have Abrar and Suffyan who are good. This should help the bowling department a lot and the fast bowlers.

There’s also the problem of picking the right players and combinations depending on the political situation.

 

[Vikram1989]

You can cry like a baby all you want but all the money is clearly making a difference in the performance.

Bcci always donated a good amount for olympics or othwr sports like hockey, football etc.Its a good thing at the end for Indian sports.Sachin donated to dhyanchand family or orphanages run by cricketers is all the by product.

 

[Mockingbird]

BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

Kitna rota hai bhai tu! Thats because IPL is the OG league and rest all are cheap knock offs. We pay through our nose to get the best talent across the globe and compensate the Indian players from participating elsewhere - nothing stops you from doing the same. Also isnt it easy to cry bias but easy to ignore that 90% of the ICC revenue is from India, ain’t it?

 

[Mohraheem]

Agressive cricket! When they see Misbah like tuktuk players. They tell them to go chase taxi career not cricket..

 

[Savak]

Another thing is self-development is lacking among Pakistan cricketers. Almost every Indian cricketers have some childhood coach. They frequently visit get things fixed or improved. Kuldeep bowling practiced in Sand. Younis Khan story is probably a good example

Former Pakistan batsman Younis Khan reveals how Rahul Dravid helped him become a better cricketer

India vs Pakistan: Rahul Dravid, who is credited to have mentored some of the best young cricketers in India, had once helped Pakistan's Younis Khan with some crucial advice.

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“The tips and advice I got from Dravid at the early stages of my career helped me develop into a top batsman who was comfortable at the number three. Dravid was a top-class professional and one of the greats of the modern era and I learned from him,” Younis said.

Khan said as a junior player he had asked for just five minutes from Dravid, who was an established name in world cricket by then, but to his surprise, the former Indian batsmen himself came to him and helped him out with his technique.

“I went to Rahul Dravid in 2004 Champions Trophy in Birmingham and I asked for 5 minutes but Dravid himself came to me and I was a junior player. I asked him a few questions and I took them ahead and it changed my cricket,” he added.

Who can forget Dravids tips to Kevin Pietersen for handling spin in Sri Lanka and India. Pietersen back then for a long time was facing an issue with left arm spinners and he reached out to Dravid for advice. Dravid responded with a very lengthy email and went above and beyond what he was asked but he advised Pietersen that he needed to practice very hard on getting on to the front foot, getting to the pitch of the ball and to practice ruthlessly in the nets against spinners without wearing pads. Pietersen ended up having his best season against spin in Sri Lanka and India in 2012.

 

[masterblaster]

When Pakistan does send its Shaheen's team to England, Australia, you find they are playing against the weakest possible academies or franchise team.

The Shaheen’s should be beating those teams comprehensively, but instead, they embarrassingly lose or barely manage to win. Didn’t they just win against Nepal by one run this year? Why would England or Australia send their A team when their village teams give them tough competition?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Who can forget Dravids tips to Kevin Pietersen for handling spin in Sri Lanka and India. Pietersen back then for a long time was facing an issue with left arm spinners and he reached out to Dravid for advice. Dravid responded with a very lengthy email and went above and beyond what he was asked but he advised Pietersen that he needed to practice very hard on getting on to the front foot, getting to the pitch of the ball and to practice ruthlessly in the nets against spinners without wearing pads. Pietersen ended up having his best season against spin in Sri Lanka and India in 2012.

Sometimes you don't need elaborate set up. Mo Shami took his practice to next level. That is not possible others. He bought a ground where he created three different strips and practiced on each one of them. Tendulkar before Australian tour would practice against west tennis ball from 15 yards. Srilankans are the most meticulous when it comes to mastering crafts. Their board is not exactly rich. THey produced the likes of Sangakkara, Malinga. Pakistan is so used to winning matches through magic moments. With more teams getting professional these magic moments are easily negated. They reduced India to 24/4 at the MCG on a spicy pitch still lost it. Here against reduced them to 20/3 they lost. THere was another match SL which didn't produce result. India lost quick wicket. Still ended up with 282 thanks to Pandya and Isan Kishan. In the past teams would roll over when pakistan gets on a roll.

 

[SportsWarrior]

BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

lol. BCCI is doing what is best for themselves. Other boards, by their own constitution, are supposed to do exactly that. If they think the current engagement with BCCI is not beneficial to them they can do something about it. Nobody is holding a gun to either players or boards heads

 

[Vikram1989]

In the past teams would roll over when pakistan gets on a roll.

This is where few people advocating old is best will get exposed brutally.now every one has to contribute. Wk is not a dummy batsmen anymore.every team will have batting till 8. 9 , 10 and Jack should be one batter.in good old days, bolwers used to retire than face opposition pacers.now the intent is to score and win with methodical professional approach .with such approaches magic moments will disappear rapidly. situational awareness will bring the match ups , data analytics and other tactics .having a lefty opener against shaheen did a world of good to us.even tilak did well against him .opposition will work on match ups to negate the brilliance or reduce the loss.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is where few people advocating old is best will get exposed brutally.now every one has to contribute. Wk is not a dummy batsmen anymore.every team will have batting till 8. 9 , 10 and Jack should be one batter.in good old days, bolwers used to retire than face opposition pacers.now the intent is to score and win with methodical professional approach .with such approaches magic moments will disappear rapidly. situational awareness will bring the match ups , data analytics and other tactics .having a lefty opener against shaheen did a world of good to us.even tilak did well against him .opposition will work on match ups to negate the brilliance or reduce the loss.

Pakistan has no choice to get professional. Ian smith touched upon this when these guys were blindly cross batting and getting out. There was no assessment of conditions, pitch. Just blind slogging from everyone. Score was 15/5.

 

[Vikram1989]

Pakistan has no choice to get professional. Ian smith touched upon this when these guys were blindly cross batting and getting out. There was no assessment of conditions, pitch. Just blind slogging from everyone. Score was 15/5.

Yeah in nz, some nz commie pointed out pak batsmen are taking singles in ground where boundaries are required as its small one and viceversa in bigger grounds.zero brain and application.

 

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Jealousy and insecurity reeks from such posts. Throughout history people of all countries have been fans of their teams and sportsperson.

When money is directly transitioning into performance for the team they cheer, yes, ues it matters.

You can cry like a baby all you want but all the money is clearly making a difference in the performance.

True. As some one who is working for KCA(kerala cricket association) as a liaison officer during domestic tournaments, I can certainly be proud of the money BCCI makes because it directly impacts my earnings with bonus, increment etc.

These jealous guys cant digest the fact that BCCI making money directly and indirectly is beneficial to lot of people in India, including the small time people working behind the scenes for tournaments like IPL or small tournaments like KCL, DPL etc

 

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They became a solid team by ripping off others for an extended period of time.

True, we stole from the RICH Bang Boys to become what we are today.

 

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BCCI doesn't allow their active players to play in other leagues but eagerly accept foreign players in IPL. This is called "ripping off". India have been doing this since the beginning of IPL.

Also, India get all sorts of preferential treatments from ICC.

If others have the guts they can stop their players coming to IPL . But that will only result in them leaving their beloved country to play IPL

Bangladesh should try the same, ask their players to only play in BPL- it will definitely make them world beaters

Oh I forgot - no other major league pick Bang boys anway

 

[jnaveen1980]

I won't purely attribute this to money. you still need talent . Long back guys form village, small town had awful lot of difficulty to make it to the top. With IPL , each franchisee has their own talent scouting team who are able to unearth these guys. . India already had a strong age group system. under-12, under-14,15 under-19. THen some prestigious high school trophies. Due to IPL cricket has become a profession.

Now each city, state host their own premiere leagues which makes the talent hunting easier. These are new avenues to make it top. Varun chakravarthy story is a fascinating story. But for a local state premiere league Varun would have never played cricket.

Varun Chakravarthy after finishing architetcutre was doing freelance arthitect job. Then becamse assistant director. He even acted in a cameo role. played as a junior artist. 600 Rs per day. He got into music as well for 6 months or one year. He quit. On the side he was playing tennis ball cricket. That was when his state premiere league (pioneer in India) was started by Srinivasn (cSK owner). His idea was to bring it to local districts. Through talent scouting they found Varun to play in this smaller league. His mysery bowling caugth everyone's attention. Very soon Dinesh karthik introduced him to KKR IPL franchisee. His life completely changed.

ARchitect -> Smaller State league -> IPL -> Indian T20 team -> Indian ODI team

 

[jnaveen1980]

oh well India has done a fine clean up job of Australia U19 team

 

[BDfanforever]

Can't really compare with IND. Pakistan is doing well in T20s. They went to semi and Final of WT20 just recently.

India has huge fan base and their expectations are going go be much different compared with Pakistan/SRL.

 

[hassan918]

oh well India has done a fine clean up job of Australia U19 team

Not a surprise to see India doing great. They surely have lots of cricketing talent in their country at all levels. I hope all these boys are under-19 thought because we have this issue of registering wrong dates in India Pakistan in age group sports.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not a surprise to see India doing great. They surely have lots of cricketing talent in their country at all levels. I hope all these boys are under-19 thought because we have this issue of registering wrong dates in India Pakistan in age group sports.

In India such guys get ostracized, banned what not. ANy age group fraud meets with severe punishment in the long run.

 

[TheSultan]

The T20 Asia cup was the first tournament in a very long time where we played 3 matches against the neighbors and it showed the tactical advantage that they have over us.

If anyone wants to know how they have advanced so much, just look at this

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Both their A team & U19s are actually playing against the best in the world. There's so much money that's going into grassroots cricket, the academies are churning out well-drilled player after player.

Meanwhile we don't even have a proper start date for our premier first class tournament and the U19 tournament is being played by amateurs from random small towns an provinces that don't even have proper cricketing facilities.

Jazba, daleri, talunt hunts, jigra nahi systems bananay partay hain in the pursuit of elite perfection.

This is all good and you’re right, but India haven’t been doing great in tests recently. When was the last time they won a test series?

But I do agree, we need to work on our grassroots. The problem is - the results of that will take many years. Do people have the patience for it?

 

[NishanKonar]

I saw the BG series in 2024/25, the 3-1 scoreline shouldn't mislead people that the series was one sided. That series was very competitive and the scoreline could easily have been 2-2 or 3-1 in India's favour.

India shocked Australia badly in the first test at Perth and it forced the aussies to wake up and come back harder, it also benefited Australia where Hazelwood got injured and ended up getting replaced by Scott Boland and therefore India had to face with a newer bowler for a change. India were also not helped by their seniors like Rohit, Kohli not stepping up. Kohli showed horrific indiscipline outside offstump and the selectors were forced to tell these two seniors its time to make way for others. Siraj too went missing in this series in some of the test matches.

The BGT seried wud have been 2-2 if Rohit & Kohli retired before that series

Carrying 2 passengers cost India badly

 

[saimayubera]

This is all good and you’re right, but India haven’t been doing great in tests recently. When was the last time they won a test series?

But I do agree, we need to work on our grassroots. The problem is - the results of that will take many years. Do people have the patience for it?

You are being dishonest here and doing the extremely Pakistani tactic of taking a super specific fact to prove your point - example being - no ICC trophy in X years where X > 2013 to exclude India's 2013 CT but include Pak's 2017 CT lol.

India won the 2024 T20 WC. Then it became ODI tournament lol. India won 2025 CT. crickets.

India have not "won" a series simply due to the schedule. India had back to back tours in Australia and England with a team in transition and did decently in both. England was a great result.

Bazballers have been destroying teams at home for fun and only Australia and India have managed to come out with 2-2 there. Misbah's Pak which is hailed as a great test team by Pakistani fans greatest achievment is a 2-2 in England.

And no team apart from India and WI have won a test in Australia this decade. Winning at Perth and drawing in Brisbane with a team in transition is a decent achievment. Pakistan have been getting whitewashed there year after year for 30 years now.

Now that India is playing WI and will prolly whitewash them you will change the metric again lol.

 

[saimayubera]

Can't really compare with IND. Pakistan is doing well in T20s. They went to semi and Final of WT20 just recently.

India has huge fan base and their expectations are going go be much different compared with Pakistan/SRL.

Naah. That was 3 years ago.

Most of the guys from that team have heavily regressed or been dropped.

Since then they have been kicked out of the T20 WC by USA and have won ZERO matches vs India, Australia, SA and England.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

This is all good and you’re right, but India haven’t been doing great in tests recently. When was the last time they won a test series?

But I do agree, we need to work on our grassroots. The problem is - the results of that will take many years. Do people have the patience for it?

If we don't have solid fundamentals at grassroot level people will also lose interest as we won't win anything substantial. This is almost a cycle that goes something like this

1. Winning/playing well builds interest
2. This is then translated to grassroot fundamentals as it is financially viable (sponsors, young people picking up sports, etc.)
3. This produces more athletes that compete well
4. This retains interest & economy of the sport gets stronger

Talent is a limited commodity and it requires harnessing.

There are multiple nations in the world that play football & despite their perfect systems many European teams do not produce the results that their hard work deserves. They have, however, perfectly nurtured their local leagues and many of those leagues are financially viable and offer an alternative to international sport. A comparison between cricket & football isn't fair but just putting it out here as a rough example.

We have already lost hockey, we may not lose cricket entirely but we are already struggling. The club, school, college, university cricket is almost non-existent. There are so many schools that don't even have a playground let alone a cricket ground. Take the example of Gujranwala, it is a city with almost 3-4 million people (could be more), it had 2 cricket stadiums in the 80s (Sachin debuted there), but now one of the grounds is in a dilapidated condition & the other has been taken over & isn't even a sports stadium anymore.

 

[kron]

You yourself said, abhishek sharma learned power hitting later on. So what does it take, 2-3 years at best? Why should we not invest in these 2-3 years instead of going back to conventional approach where you indians are bent on taking us. Is power hitting some divine gift that only descends on first world countries which india claims to be.
@Rana will tell you we have better players than rizwan and babar

Pakistan have plenty of physically strong people in rural areas just like India

A country that won the javelin throw in Olympics will definitely have strong people.

Matter of finding and nurturing it.

Problem with Pakistan is that they neglect first class cricket

All youngster beauties only want to play t20 which gives access to easy money.

Develop skills in first class cricket and then work on power hitting. Get the fundamentals right. Everything else will fall in place once you are technically strong. It’s not that the players don’t have power. Yes some parchi selections don’t help but there are plenty of strong players in Pakistan domestic league I am sure. They just lack the technique and the timing/reflex needed for power hitting.