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Reason why India has become such a solid team

If Aussies gave cricket even a quarter of importance it gets in ind, they won’t even let ind come close.

For example, ind won zero gold medals in summer olympics, would barely register at upcoming winter olympics and won’t qualify even for an expanded 48 team football world cup. Goes on to show where they are really positioned in world sports.
hahahahaha what a cope.

cricket is not other sports where india does not have a base.

love this though. pakistanis know that they can never cope with india so getting new daddies.

pakistan has won ONE olympic medal in the last 30 years of olympics, is the 201st ranked football team in the world and wins single digit medals in things like the cwg/asian games where india wins triple digit medals.

nothing fans of a nothing country.

getting beaten four times over a month really has wrecked the minds of pakistani posters.

sit back and watch india win and win and win and pakistan lose and lose and lose.
 
Srilanka won world cup in 1996, CT in 2002, WT20 in 2014. They have reached the Asia cup final most number of times. Where bangladesh is twiddling their thumb blaming everything under the sun. Their Board is not even that good.

Srilanka - make the most ouf ot resources
Bangaldesh - make the most number of excuses
 
Saying Ind
i)won zero gold medals in the last summer olympics
ii)would barely if at all register at the upcoming winter olympics
iii)won’t qualify for expanded 48 team football wc
iv)this tells where Ind is really positioned in world sports

is not me dissing anyone at all. These are just facts that YOU should be smart enough to acknowledge.
 
If Aussies gave cricket even a quarter of importance it gets in ind, they won’t even let ind come close.

For example, ind won zero gold medals in summer olympics, would barely register at upcoming winter olympics and won’t qualify even for an expanded 48 team football world cup. Goes on to show where they are really positioned in world sports.

Exactly.

India barely have any competition in cricket as cricket has effectively become a 90% Indian sport. It is like scoring goals without a goalkeeper.

India sucks in all other sports. It is probably because they can't control/manipulate those sports. :inti

India is all about quantity over quality whether it is in cricket or something else.
 
Saying Ind
i)won zero gold medals in the last summer olympics
ii)would barely if at all register at the upcoming winter olympics
iii)won’t qualify for expanded 48 team football wc
iv)this tells where Ind is really positioned in world sports

is not me dissing anyone at all. These are just facts that YOU should be smart enough to acknowledge.
Saying Pak
i) won one medal in last 30 years of olympics
ii) won't even have a candidate for winter olympics
iii) won't qualify for an expanded 160 team football wc
iv) wins single digit medals in asiads/cwg
v) this tells where Pak is positioned in world sports

is not me dissing anyone at all. These are just facts that YOU should be smart enough to acknowledge.
 
Exactly.

India barely have any competition in cricket as cricket has effectively become a 90% Indian sport. It is like scoring goals without a goalkeeper.

India sucks in all other sports. It is probably because they can't control/manipulate those sports. :inti

India is all about quantity over quality whether it is in cricket or something else.
A country which has won ZERO Olympic medals in their entire history should keep quite about sporting heritage lol. Afghanistan/SL have won Olympic medals lol.
 
Saying Pak
i) won one medal in last 30 years of olympics
ii) won't even have a candidate for witner olympics
iii) won't qualify for an expanded 160 team football wc
iv) wins single digit medals in asiads/cwg
v) this tells where Pak is positioned in world sports

is not me dissing anyone at all. These are just facts that YOU should be smart enough to acknowledge.
Spot on but thread is about India.
 
Saying Ind
i)won zero gold medals in the last summer olympics
ii)would barely if at all register at the upcoming winter olympics
iii)won’t qualify for expanded 48 team football wc
iv)this tells where Ind is really positioned in world sports

is not me dissing anyone at all. These are just facts that YOU should be smart enough to acknowledge.
If only India has focused and encouraged people they would won so many. TThat is your own logic.
 
India have more people than all other Test nations combined. That helps I guess.
BD has more people than NZ, Aus & Eng combined. Yet BD is nowhere near any of these 3 teams in cricket (and in sports overall). It's not even a comparison worth mentioning. Pak has more people than all the SENA countries combined. That doesn't help I guess.
 
Some reasons I can think of: :inti

1) They get all sorts of perks during World Cups. Venue perks, scheduling perks etc.

2) They don't have to face any accountability. ICC is in their pocket. They know they can get away with anything.

3) Cricket is dying/declining in most Test nations. Cricket is not the #1 sport in any of the SENA country or even West Indies.

4) India have a population that is bigger than all other Test nations combined. More people = more players to pick from.

Cricket has turned into a chaotic farce and it is working in favor of India at the moment.
 
If India purely selects based on merit instead of regional quota they probably will be a far better side. Guys like SKY should have never played ODI. But because he was close to ROhit sharma as part of MI team he played world cup.
 
One way to look at this is that men’s ODI wc and wtc is missing but I guess that’s just going into the details.

I have serious reservations on CT and other cups too. Part of me thinks India’s ‘success’ is literally too good to be true :danish
 
If India purely selects based on merit instead of regional quota they probably will be a far better side. Guys like SKY should have never played ODI. But because he was close to ROhit sharma as part of MI team he played world cup.
Such kind of out of box experimentation should happen in bilaterals, not in a WC. Surya was never an ODI player & should have never made the squad - it was almost as bad as the Ambati Rayadu experiment.

I dunno if it was the Sharma effect or the Ambani effect though behind Sky’s selection in the ODI squad.
 
Some reasons I can think of: :inti

1) They get all sorts of perks during World Cups. Venue perks, scheduling perks etc.

2) They don't have to face any accountability. ICC is in their pocket. They know they can get away with anything.

3) Cricket is dying/declining in most Test nations. Cricket is not the #1 sport in any of the SENA country or even West Indies.

4) India have a population that is bigger than all other Test nations combined. More people = more players to pick from.

Cricket has turned into a chaotic farce and it is working in favor of India at the moment.
It is not India’s problem if other countries have weak economies. At one point cricket was wholly controlled by Brits/ Aus & India managed to dismantle that hegemony. Nothing stops you guys from becoming big and beat India at its own game, instead of endlessly complaining.
 
It is not India’s problem if other countries have weak economies. At one point cricket was wholly controlled by Brits/ Aus & India managed to dismantle that hegemony. Nothing stops you guys from becoming big and beat India at its own game, instead of endlessly complaining.
Did I hear economy again? lol stopped reading there :jimmy
 
What exactly do you think the reason is for BCCI's influence on ICC and world cricket?
I am tired of ind posters talking about economy in every thread. In real life, if somebody keeps talking about money all the time, how do you feel about that? I mean a lot of times economy/gdp is irrelevant to the discussion but it’s still brought up. I think ind posters have overplayed this one.
 
India still has a lot of room for improvement. Pace department. And also lower middle order fire power.
 
Such kind of out of box experimentation should happen in bilaterals, not in a WC. Surya was never an ODI player & should have never made the squad - it was almost as bad as the Ambati Rayadu experiment.

I dunno if it was the Sharma effect or the Ambani effect though behind Sky’s selection in the ODI squad.
Sky was ridiculously carried as a reserve to wtc in finals.He played in bgt home too in the name of game changer .Rohit definitely preferred Mumbai quota .
 
Indian fans are a big reason for it. As the most fun, affluent and colorful audience in South Asia, they are the ones attracting all the money for the BCCI. Without them, BCCI would likely fare no better than the PCB or Cricket Bangla.
 
I am tired of ind posters talking about economy in every thread. In real life, if somebody keeps talking about money all the time, how do you feel about that? I mean a lot of times economy/gdp is irrelevant to the discussion but it’s still brought up. I think ind posters have overplayed this one.
We always had a large population- so without economy to back it it wouldn’t have suddenly resulted in us taking over the Brits & Aussies as the cricketing powerhouse.

You may not like to hear it, but it is the truth. India, like China was able to monetize its population & that has made all the difference in cricket as well. Spare a thought why only the richer nations have been dominating cricket since its inception.
 
India have become such a solid team mainly because of long-term planning and consistency. They invest heavily in domestic cricket, so there is always a strong bench of players ready to step in. When someone gets injured or goes out of form, the replacement is usually well prepared.

Another big reason is fitness and fielding standards. Indian players are expected to be fit, quick and athletic, and that shows on the field. They save runs, take catches, and put pressure on teams even when the ball isn’t doing much.

Also they back their players for long periods. They don’t panic after one or two failures, which helps players play with confidence. The team management and coaching setup is stable, so players know their roles clearly.

Lastly, they adapt well to different conditions. Whether it’s spin tracks, fast pitches or overseas tours, India prepare specifically for each challenge. All of this combined is why India are such a strong and consistent side today.
 
Indian fans are a big reason for it. As the most fun, affluent and colorful audience in South Asia, they are the ones attracting all the money for the BCCI. Without them, BCCI would likely fare no better than the PCB or Cricket Bangla.
Cricket was largely a city players game. Back i those days it was impossible for people from small villages, people posessing niche skills cannot even dream of playing first class. This is why i laugh when people say 1.2 billion lol Not all of them live in cities. ONly city guys got preference. Post IPL over a period scouting process started getting innovative. They started visiting small tournaments and pick players from there. In terms of T20 biggest revolution in India is not IPL or SMAT. It is the city / state premiere leagues. That is where you find people from obscure cities playing. More village people started finding their spot. Look at Natrajan he was picked in his state T20 league. In one of match he bowled 6 accurate yrokers in a row. IPL roped him in. Then he played for India. When players wer injured he even played in the famous Gabba test. 20 years back Natrajan could not have even dreamt of playing even for his state. IN rcent times more citiy, state premiere leagues started happening. Even Varun C was a pick like that. An obscure tennis ball player -> domestic premiere league -> IPL -> India.
 
We always had a large population- so without economy to back it it wouldn’t have suddenly resulted in us taking over the Brits & Aussies as the cricketing powerhouse.

You may not like to hear it, but it is the truth. India, like China was able to monetize its population & that has made all the difference in cricket as well. Spare a thought why only the richer nations have been dominating cricket since its inception.
Ind is a huge market and generates most revenue for icc. Every person who follows cricket knows that. Even a kid playing in zim probably knows that. Ind posters too make sure everyone is reminded of that in every page of every thread. I’d like to see fans talking less about this stuff because after a while it just sounds tasteless iykwim.
 
This is a personal learning I have wish I had learned much earlier in life: you are the company you keep.

Want to be successful? Associate with successful people.

Want to do better academically? Associate with academically successful people.

Want to be an investment banker? Associate with I Bankers.

That’s it. Talent, intelligence, hard work are important but (unless we’re speaking of geniuses) consider them table stakes.

In IPL, India has created conditions where a large pool of its players are interacting in highly competitive environment with the best players around the globe.

Hence the impact on quality in white ball cricket.

There are lessons here too - namely economy - but I’ve avoided that since it’s been done to death.
 
Some reasons I can think of: :inti

1) They get all sorts of perks during World Cups. Venue perks, scheduling perks etc.

2) They don't have to face any accountability. ICC is in their pocket. They know they can get away with anything.

3) Cricket is dying/declining in most Test nations. Cricket is not the #1 sport in any of the SENA country or even West Indies.

4) India have a population that is bigger than all other Test nations combined. More people = more players to pick from.

Cricket has turned into a chaotic farce and it is working in favor of India at the moment.
BDesh has 16 cr people, no 1 sport in the country. Why are you not doing better than sena and other nations ?

I know you will skip this question
:inti
 
I am tired of ind posters talking about economy in every thread. In real life, if somebody keeps talking about money all the time, how do you feel about that? I mean a lot of times economy/gdp is irrelevant to the discussion but it’s still brought up. I think ind posters have overplayed this one.
No bro, economy is not overhyped. Look at usa, they are all part timers but have access to excellent cricket infra and facilities, i see them do very well in future if their domestic league mlc sustains.
 
Ind is a huge market and generates most revenue for icc. Every person who follows cricket knows that. Even a kid playing in zim probably knows that. Ind posters too make sure everyone is reminded of that in every page of every thread. I’d like to see fans talking less about this stuff because after a while it just sounds tasteless iykwim.
It's the passion, alongside processes and structure and pathways which finetunes the raw talent into a polished product.

Pakistan has the passion and raw ralent but is missing the organisational strength to turn the raw talent into finished articles on a consistent basis ( last 25 odd years when cricket became a proper professional sport).

BD has the passion, but nothing much else, and with that you can't turn donkeys into stallions. Iykyk....
 
No bro, economy is not overhyped. Look at usa, they are all part timers but have access to excellent cricket infra and facilities, i see them do very well in future if their domestic league mlc sustains.

I made this thread to highlight that the reason behind India's success was not just the talent of a few individuals but the creation of systems where up & coming talent in India is regularly playing the best in the world. This sustained strategy needs to be replicated by Pakistan if we wish to do well instead of hype - failure - depression - hype cycle that we seem to be perennially stuck in.

Just adding my extra 2 cents here to answer this particular question/idea that is being discussed.

There is clear correlation between

1. Rule of law
2. Good systems
3. Great economy

A good economy rarely develops in a vacuum. It is possible that a rare earth metal or oil is discovered and the country goes up financially but if the benefits are not spread around in the society, the wealth gets accumulated to a little parasitic elite and while macro numbers look decent or okay, the overall impact in the society is minimal. Venezuela and Nigeria are prime examples of mineral rich countries with terrible economy.

I feel that there's a bias in some of us Pakistanis where we find it hard to praise India. Because we share similar sort of occupation story, & then a long shared history after that as well, it's difficult for us to accept that India is doing better. For me the key development difference between the two countries is that the middle class has taken ownership of India & are now the driving engine of the country. In Pak (and it's just a feeling so please don't take it as absolute truth) the genuine middle class does not exist in a substantial volume.

The other problem is that the IT revolution has been very slow to take off. There are big cities like Lahore and Karachi where you see some IT companies but step aside from the few big main centers & IT revolution is non-existent. The money is there, real-estate has created a lot of success stories and wealth but it's not a wealth that creates jobs and opportunities. Young people are struggling to have their own fairytale stories. I am not talking about extremely talented or driven young people, the average person on the bell curve doesn't always have the intellect to create their own story from scratch, all some of us want is to have an okay education and then a clear and simple path in the job market where we can live our simple life normally without too many extra challenges. That is not happening at the moment in Pakistan. Even doctors who have one of the hardest careers to get in, are forced to leave Pak as we see 4K or so trained doctors leave the country every year.

Long story short, a good economy & great systems do not automatically mean success but they greatly help to achieve that goal. I am based in an EU country, they have the perfect sporting culture & system for football but the international team never wins anything & barely qualifies for global events. A good system just opens up opportunities for people & creates a society where fewer people are left behind & that's all that matters. For sustained success, countries must invest in infrastructure and system development and then work on continued improvement of the said systems. There's no end to this hustle, it just goes on and on. Kudos to India for doing that - I hope you know that while systems are there, there's a lot of room of improvement there as well.

There's no jealousy in this post, it would be foolish to say that I am not envious of Indian cricket team currently but despite the hatred between the two nations, I feel that it's good as eventually people in Pakistan will also come out of their delulu & look to learn from their next door neighbors. One can always hope!
 
This is a personal learning I have wish I had learned much earlier in life: you are the company you keep.

Want to be successful? Associate with successful people.

Want to do better academically? Associate with academically successful people.

Want to be an investment banker? Associate with I Bankers.

That’s it. Talent, intelligence, hard work are important but (unless we’re speaking of geniuses) consider them table stakes.

In IPL, India has created conditions where a large pool of its players are interacting in highly competitive environment with the best players around the globe.

Hence the impact on quality in white ball cricket.

There are lessons here too - namely economy - but I’ve avoided that since it’s been done to death.
This is a nice punchy piece and the core insight is solid: environment matters.

But I would offer two points of refinement. One, is the implication that proximity is a choice whereas for many it is in fact a privilege. We should never lose sight of the prior opportunity and structural advantages that some people have due to their social, financial or cultural capital.

Secondly, beware of the echo chamber. The nineteenth century philosopher John Stuart Mill once said, “A man is not likely to be a good economist if he is nothing else.” To be well rounded, the economist must also understand human nature, history, sociology, and ethics and so on. I think this advice applies not only to economists. There is wisdom in keeping diverse company and remaining open to lessons from unexpected sources.
 
More than batting , it's their bowing in recent years which has become lethal.
Bumrah and the spinners they are quite effective also game awareness and mental strength they've work very hard
:ravi
 
There's no jealousy in this post, it would be foolish to say that I am not envious of Indian cricket team currently but despite the hatred between the two nations, I feel that it's good as eventually people in Pakistan will also come out of their delulu & look to learn from their next door neighbors. One can always hope!
I will point out few things as pak posters dont like stressing out economy. There is a reasonable infrastructure for every decent player to take advantage of.Andhra cricket association have sent a u13 player ( 2022 u19 wc winning vc -Sheik Rashid) for 6 years training in England. All their objective was to grab a name/spot for themselves in the Indian cricket team.Bcci distributes 500crs to each association. Even if each association eats 300 crs 🤐, they are doing a reasonable job with state/district premier leagues .Jurel was accessing his rajastan franchise practice facilities daily to improve himself.Mumbai franchise have sent some unknown spinner to sa to train along with Rashid. I dont say everything is perfect but every Indian team is at a juncture where every new player standard is expected to be good on par with sena.In another 5/6 years, every other sport will be expected like that.Dont give bs reason like earlier will be the first clause for any sport.Already in hockey, chess , badminton, wrestling its happening.
 
It's the passion, alongside processes and structure and pathways which finetunes the raw talent into a polished product.

Pakistan has the passion and raw ralent but is missing the organisational strength to turn the raw talent into finished articles on a consistent basis ( last 25 odd years when cricket became a proper professional sport).

BD has the passion, but nothing much else, and with that you can't turn donkeys into stallions. Iykyk....
Ind got the passion, market, talent, broadcasters, favorable scheduling and venues. A lot goes their way fairly or unfairly. I don’t think they are as successful as is made out though. Generally playing ICC tournaments at home, or fixed venues on Sundays. Still odi wc and wtc has eluded them.
 
Ind got the passion, market, talent, broadcasters, favorable scheduling and venues. A lot goes their way fairly or unfairly. I don’t think they are as successful as is made out though. Generally playing ICC tournaments at home, or fixed venues on Sundays. Still odi wc and wtc has eluded them.
With venues, PCT have a solid shot of winni g this WC if venues is the criteria.

Agree on WTC, not so much on odi WC as that's been bagged previously.
 
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