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"Reason why our team is #1 in T20Is is because our guys don't participate in IPL" : Waqar Younis

It seems like Waqar and Afridi has ignited a fire on PP but its mostly effecting people across the border. :saslam
 
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Titan24 said:
It seems like Waqar and Afridi has ignited a fire on PP but its mostly effecting people across the border. :saslam
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Yeah, just saw this thread was created yesterday @18:55, it's already 3 pages long. Thought it was an old thread that got bumped.
 
[MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION]

A-> That was a prevalent talking point during that time to defeat India in India, but kohli had different plans as hesmacked the PCT out of the park, that match was after PSL Iirc.

B-> The record is 7-1, that's like your Team turned to get beaten every time, every where save for one. If you want to harp on about CT17, go ahead make a thread on it, here let's discuss T20 where the beating we gave you guys is not even funny.
 
Sour grapes from Waqar after missing out on any more IPL coaching stints following an unsuccessful spell with Sunrisers in 2013. The same guy once also applied to be the Aussie bowling coach but didn't even make the shortlist LOL.

Clueless coach who needs to be kept away from any further coaching roles.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Dude your team got hammered by Lanka at home and lost to West Indies too. At least have some shame before comparing it with the no.1 ranked team.
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I already said losing to SL was pretty bad but there are circumstances to why that happened, namely trying to rebuild after the loss of YOunis and MIsbah. That is a tough task for anyone.

And I wouldn't even dream of comparing to number one test side India, who are so great they can't win a series outside of Asia unless it's against the West Indies...speaking of which Pakistan have won two series against, home and away, winning 4 of the 6 tests played.

But yeah, India are amazing and I really enjoyed them winning the series in SA...
 
Seems like the legendary Waqar Younis has bowled a beauty Reverse Swing yorker with his comments, with Afridi at the other end with his tail-spin tweet!

Citing a specific tournament scoreline to appease a comfort zone reeks of insecurity personally. Only on PP would Indian fans claim they do not care about a CT final, we all know why, because India lost to arch rivals, that's why they do not want to hear about it. If India had beaten Pakistan in CT17, they would not stop talking about it, we know this too, because they are still rambling on about a meaningless 7-1 T20 scoreline.

What I find interesting is that with over 5 decades of matches between Pakistan and India, Indians fans cling to just 11 WC matches, only just, by their finger nails. This is obvious too considering Pakistan's H2H superior W/L ratio.

At the end of the day, Indians need to realise not everyone cares/loves/respects the IPL, in the same way not everyone cares exclusively about World Cup matches but love Test matches, BUT, until India beat Pakistan in an ICC ODI Tournament final - India doesn't have a leg to stand on and will never trump Fathers Day 2017 because if Indians think a knock out game/QF/SF game is bigger than a final - they should frankly stop watching cricket.

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To be fair to Waqar, these are quotes from a sports show called "Game on hai". The particular quote in question was actually made during a conversation about the downfall of Windies cricket and I believe one of the other panelists actually brought up IPL and stated that the star players of Windies got a huge ego boost from the big money received in IPL and they eventually decided to prefer franchise cricket over international cricket. Waqar just followed up on that quote and was basically trying to say that in a sense Pak cricket is lucky that they did not have to face this issue.
 
No, the reason Pakistan are actually no.1 in T20's is because they have a good coach in Mickey now Waqar Bhai.
 
What is the obsession with the IPL? It's a good league. It would be nice to see Pakistan players play in it. But them not playing in it has nothing to do with our T20 ranking. We have played good cricket to get where we are in T20s. Credit to Arthur and Sarfraz as well.
 
Send1983 said:
How about losing rest of the games? Did you check th3 record fo4 this decade? Did you see we hav3 won a World Cup in this decade. Last time you won WC was 28 yrs ago, before many of the folks here were born.
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It is no secret that India has a better team in this decade. However, with your ATG team with most of the players who will make your GOAT team, you couldn't win a single series in Australia and SA even when their ATGs retired. Everytime you play a test series overseas which is not in WI, you are thrashed. Great teams in the past like Australia and WI won back to back world cups. You managed to barely win one at home. Despite hosting the biggest league, you are yet to win a world T20 in this decade.

2015 - thrashed by Australia
2016 - shocked by WI
2017 - destroyed by Pakistan

Visited Aus twice, lost twice
Visited England, whitewashed
Visited SA twice, lost twice
Visited NZ, lost

No #1 ranked team has been humiliated like that before.
 
The_Odd_One said:
It is no secret that India has a better team in this decade. However, with your ATG team with most of the players who will make your GOAT team, you couldn't win a single series in Australia and SA even when their ATGs retired. Everytime you play a test series overseas which is not in WI, you are thrashed. Great teams in the past like Australia and WI won back to back world cups. You managed to barely win one at home. Despite hosting the biggest league, you are yet to win a world T20 in this decade.

2015 - thrashed by Australia
2016 - shocked by WI
2017 - destroyed by Pakistan

Visited Aus twice, lost twice
Visited England, whitewashed
Visited SA twice, lost twice
Visited NZ, lost

No #1 ranked team has been humiliated like that before.
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With all these results still India is #1 team, so imagine how poor would be other teams' performances?
 
I think if Pakistani players did play in the IPL they would actually be better cricketers - playing against and with the best players can only be a good thing.

One concern though would be the off-field goings on.
 
Saj said:
I think if Pakistani players did play in the IPL they would actually be better cricketers - playing against and with the best players can only be a good thing.

One concern though would be the off-field goings on.
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Some of these uncharitable comments about IPL actually queer the pitch for future generations to play in the IPL. Franchisees will be wary.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Some of these uncharitable comments about IPL actually queer the pitch for future generations to play in the IPL. Franchisees will be wary.
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Wishful thinking if you believe that Pakistani players will be playing in the IPL any time soon.
 
babajee said:
A #1 rank built on bashing teams in your backyard.

India are just the best HTBs.
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Like other teams set stage on fire when they travel and what's wrong if a team win at home, should they lose there as well? Not every team is Pak which gets beating by hands of SL in UAE.

Oh yeah, before you bring, congrats on CT win.
 
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kuskash said:
Like other teams set stage on fire when they travel and what's wrong if a team win at home, should they lose there as well? Not every team is Pak which gets beating by hands of SL in UAE.

Oh yeah, before you bring, congrats on CT win.
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You were 7th ranked after your last round of away tours.
 
The_Odd_One said:
It is no secret that India has a better team in this decade. However, with your ATG team with most of the players who will make your GOAT team, you couldn't win a single series in Australia and SA even when their ATGs retired. Everytime you play a test series overseas which is not in WI, you are thrashed. Great teams in the past like Australia and WI won back to back world cups. You managed to barely win one at home. Despite hosting the biggest league, you are yet to win a world T20 in this decade.

2015 - thrashed by Australia
2016 - shocked by WI
2017 - destroyed by Pakistan

Visited Aus twice, lost twice
Visited England, whitewashed
Visited SA twice, lost twice
Visited NZ, lost

No #1 ranked team has been humiliated like that before.
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Are you not shifting the goal post here? Did you read the comment I was responding to?

I was responding to the post where poster said, Pakistan beat India decade after decade. I responded saying that's not the case in last two decades.

Now you accepted that India won more matches in this decade, but you did not correct the person who lied, rather you shifted the goal post that india did not win Test Series away and India did not win T20 World cups, etc., with IPL being the best league.

BTW When did I say we are as good as Aus of 90s and WI of 80s? those two are all time great no 1 teams. We are currently no 1. that means we are better than other teams. see if you name the team that is better than our team rather than putting down India team by deliberately comparing with Aus/WI teams. Again I see only hatred here.

2015 - thrashed by Australia
2016 - shocked by WI
2017 - destroyed by Pakistan

All those 3 occasions we did well to get to Semi's in 2015, Finals in 2016, Finals in 2017. We were consistently played well in all those three tournaments. Unfortunate not to finish off the tournament well. Nothing to be ashamed of those performances. We were one of the top teams in all those ICC tournaments. not out of tournament after QF or first round.

what did IPL being the best league have to do with winning the tournament? because of IPL we are one of the best cricket teams in the world. our overall bowling and fielding improved due to money generated by IPL. Batting is still as good as any team.

We atleast won one WC and one CT in this decade. there are teams which have not won any WC or CT ever. even your team had not won one until last year during that period we had won 2 CTs.

About Away Series, Yes our Fab 4 made our team the No 1 by winning in Eng and NZ, drawing in SA and thrashing everyone at home. they had already performed well in Eng, Aus, NZ and SA. when they toured Eng and Aus in 2011/12, they were in their last leg. Same won the WC for us as well. Its fine if they lose couple of away series badly. overall we are proud of their achievement.

BTw Your team got whitewashed so many times in Aus in last two decades or so. whitewashed in SA and NZ last time. recently whitewashed by SL as home. you must be the last one to talk about whitewash.:))
 
Another day, another stupid, hypocritical statement by an ex-Pakistani player. Waqar, Afridi. Let's see who is next line.
 
Waqar got it wrong though. Pakistan is no.1 t20 team not because they don’t play in IPL. It’s because they play in every T, D & H league being played in the planet.
 
babajee said:
It’s only insignificant when you don’t have it... if India was number 1 ranked then Jai Hind and India is soooperpower and IPL is da best.
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India is No 1 in test and odi since long time and i dont see anyone doing any chest thumping abt it..but for you people T20 no 1 ranking is very big deal...bcoz u have nothing else to show..oh and before you mentioned CT.. Congrats On CT Win
 
I remember thinking during the 2007 T20 WC that this was a format Pakistan could win the World Cup in. It just seemed a natural format to their style.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
Waqar got it wrong though. Pakistan is no.1 t20 team not because they don’t play in IPL. It’s because they play in every T, D & H league being played in the planet.
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16 of the last 20 games Pakistan has played were against depleted WI and SL and a third string World XI.

and yup, when I play against 10 year olds in the street, I average more than Bradman :D
 
Wonderwoman said:
16 of the last 20 games Pakistan has played were against depleted WI and SL and a third string World XI.

and yup, when I play against 10 year olds in the street, I average more than Bradman :D
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WI 2016 and 2017 wasn't depleted. You need to educate yourself before you post here.
 
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Usman Chadda said:
WI 2016 and 2017 wasn't depleted. You need to educate yourself before you post here.
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9 out last 12 games by Pakistan were against near associate level teams. and yes playing against pathetic teams can inflate your stats. Think Adam Voges, Rashi Khan, Babar Azam,
 
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Wonderwoman said:
9 out last 12 games by Pakistan were against near associate level teams. and yes playing against pathetic teams can inflate your stats. Think Adam Voges, Rashi Khan, Babar Azam,
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So now we are down to 9 games from the 20 you quoted above.

You are right about Babar. Babar's 46 in the CT final vs India inflated his average at the CT. Playing against pathetic teams does inflate stats.
 
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Unnecessary from Waqar; it's sad that jingoism has taken over completely in both India and Pakistan.
 
Send1983 said:
Are you not shifting the goal post here? Did you read the comment I was responding to?

I was responding to the post where poster said, Pakistan beat India decade after decade. I responded saying that's not the case in last two decades.
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Stop crying a river. Facts are facts, hence you have been reduced to WC matches only and pigeon holing. Why stop at 2 decades, and not 5 decades beta?

Pakistan OWN India in ALL head to head matches, even in the last decade. This is a fact whether you like it or not, and it is clear you do not like this fact hence you are talking about Pakistan being whitewashed in Australia which is not relevant to the thread. Mirror mirror on the wall! Trying to divert attention of them all!

You could post a BILLION smilies, head to head W/L ratio will not change.
 
So Arthur's contribution and hard work by players don't matter ?

Pakistan are no 1 T20 because they don't play IPL .. ridiculous
 
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