Recipe to ace targets against India in T20s: Defeat Jasprit Bumrah psychologically and the rest of the attack will collapse

[Vikram1989]

Like it a thing Eng wouldn't have known, tried or hoped.

Eng did everything they could, nerves got better of them, it happens.

Duve gave away atleast 20 useless runs once bethel is gone.

 

[RahulBose]

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I get that I said earlier in this thread regardless of the controversy around his action, it still takes skill for him to nail his lengths so consistently. However, he isn’t invincible & batters should be a bit more brave against him in these situations, England miscalculated to play him out, if it meant to losing their wickets so be it, but you have to try because that over decided the match and he should have been the MOM in a high scoring game like that where everyone else went for 10 an over.

I understand what you are trying to say.

But you have a bias of hindsight.
Eng did exactly what they should have done, play out Bumrah and attack others.

In hindsight, they miscalculated the effectiveness of Pandya's over.

But playing out Bumrah is a effective way of surviving.

I remember Ind vs Pak 2024 match, Rizwan tried to attack Bumrah and gave away his wicket in the most unfortunate time.

That is what happens when you try to attack Bumrah.

 

[RahulBose]

Duve gave away atleast 20 useless runs once bethel is gone.

Completely agree, made it look like a close match.

Even if the score board does not show it, Eng effectively lost by 25 odd runs.

 

[Sachin fan]

Hitting Bumrah in first few overs is easier because teams have wickets left and they can risk it. However in tight game with top order gone is different ball game. Risk factor increases many folds. It creates similar pressure to what Wasim Waqar did in 90's.

Also, when he bowls in over 1 to 4-5, he looks for swing so bowls slower and more fuller/good length. His chief strengths in t20s is his yorker, slower ball and hard length balls, which he only bowls outside power play.

 

[NishanKonar]

Every Pakistani cricket strategy ultimately boils down to jigra jazba gurda

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Tests: 19.79 average, 2.77 economy.
ODIs: 23.55 average, 4.59 economy.
T20Is: 18.57 average, 6.25 economy.

In the era of pancake pitches and 360 players, these are absolute otherworldly stuff.

Jasprit Bumrah is the greatest fast bowler the game has ever seen, the ultimate GOAT. Anyone denying that fact is either cricket illiterate or just salty.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The op is in 2017 someone bring him to 2026, if hitting bumrah was easy Pakistan wouldn’t be losing 3 in 3 inasia cup

 

[cricketjoshila]

Tests: 19.79 average, 2.77 economy.
ODIs: 23.55 average, 4.59 economy.
T20Is: 18.57 average, 6.25 economy.

In the era of pancake pitches and 360 players, these are absolute otherworldly stuff.

Jasprit Bumrah is the greatest fast bowler the game has ever seen, the ultimate GOAT. Anyone denying that fact is either cricket illiterate or just salty.

We understand it’s difficult for most Pakistanis to accept that an Indian is a better fast bowler than any Pakistan has had

 

[ravisurya]

Hello all,

This is the solution that has to be implemented vs India and it won’t matter if they score 200 or 300 in t20s, any total will be chaseable.

Stop showing Bumrah respect, if anything, disrespect him.

However if you let stats, man of the match awards, and spreadsheets get to you then he will get your wicket.

Someone Fakhar showed that this is possible. Fakhar did psychological badtameezi toward him and that made Bumrah panic and bowl a no ball. And then the rest was history. How do you do this? Throw him off his game and attack by coming out of the crease.

Who will be the batsman to put Bumrah in his place?

Not saying this to insult Bumrah, I respect him for making it this far regardless of any dubious techniques. Saying this as a neutral fan with no skin in the game.

Absolutely brilliant analysis, genius stuff really. It's a pity that all the international teams with access to all the technology and think tanks couldn't think of what you just did.

 

[ravisurya]

The op is in 2017 someone bring him to 2026, if hitting bumrah was easy Pakistan wouldn’t be losing 3 in 3 inasia cup

You have to realize they will live of that game for a long time. For them 2017 was just yesterday.

 

[Suleiman]

Absolutely brilliant analysis, genius stuff really. It's a pity that all the international teams with access to all the technology and think tanks couldn't think of what you just did.

It’s because they have been bought by BCCI, but I am a free agent. Do not share this post. We have to keep this under wraps.

Bumrah’s days are numbered.

#TheFinalSolution is here.

 

[Suleiman]

No Bumrah glazing in this thread please. There’s 500 other threads where you guys can express your love for him.

This is a serious thread created to end his reign of terror.

Open to suggestions for other ways to stop him.

 

[rpant_gabba]

It’s because they have been bought by BCCI, but I am a free agent. Do not share this post. We have to keep this under wraps.

Bumrah’s days are numbered.

#TheFinalSolution is here.

I propose replace Naqvi with brother Suleiman

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Every Pakistani cricket strategy ultimately boils down to jigra jazba gurda

The irony? Pakistani players lack every single one of those qualities.

 

[jeetu]

To stop Bumrah , first step might be to analyze the 5 ODI matches where Bumrah conceded 70+ runs

1. 9 overs 2/81 vs England , 2017 Cuttack
Ind - 381/6 , Eng 366/8

2. 10 overs 3/81 vs Australia , 2023 , Rajkot
Aus 352/7 , Ind 286

3. 10 overs 1/79 vs Australia , 2020 , Sydney
Aus 389/4 , Ind 338/9

4. 10 overs 2/79 vs England , 2017 , Pune
Eng 350/7 , Ind 356/7

5. 10 overs 1/73 vs Australia , 2020 , Sydney
Aus 374/6 , Ind 308/8

 

[RidiculousMan]

Who is Karun?

 

[GudduBadmash]

India will win comfortably

 

[shaz619]

There is zero controversy around his actions. The only people talking about his action are jealous pakistanis and Bangladeshi fans online and they are not important enough to cause controversies. The fact that you LIED about this makes the rest of your post useless and ignorable.

Lied about what? and which bit exactly got your knickers in a twist, you tiny inchers can’t even take positive feedback well, when you lay off the muthar for a bit then reply back

 

[shaz619]

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I understand what you are trying to say.

But you have a bias of hindsight.
Eng did exactly what they should have done, play out Bumrah and attack others.

In hindsight, they miscalculated the effectiveness of Pandya's over.

But playing out Bumrah is a effective way of surviving.

I remember Ind vs Pak 2024 match, Rizwan tried to attack Bumrah and gave away his wicket in the most unfortunate time.

That is what happens when you try to attack Bumrah.

What would the Indian batters have done against Bumrah, tell me?

Come on, why are you comparing Rizwan with Bethell & Curran - both of those batters are light years ahead of him, and were middling the ball quiet well and happy to strike as needed.

Rizwan played an ugly slog after the pressure kept building up, Pakistan were never in any control during that match, while England were on top of the RR chasing a crazy total.

Look, I wont say it was a terrible plan from England - ruined by Pandya as you said, but I don’t agree that Bumrah is so invincible that you premeditate 6 singles off his over, I think that 10-12 runs was quiet possible and that you should still look to score.

 

[Sachin fan]

Lied about what? and which bit exactly got your knickers in a twist, you tiny inchers can’t even take positive feedback well, when you lay off the muthar for a bit then reply back

Lied about there being a controversy around his action. There is no controversy. No one needs your backhanded compliments. But I can understand why you need to continue lying about this, its just another way to deny reality

 

[kron]

Hello all,

This is the solution that has to be implemented vs India and it won’t matter if they score 200 or 300 in t20s, any total will be chaseable.

Stop showing Bumrah respect, if anything, disrespect him.

However if you let stats, man of the match awards, and spreadsheets get to you then he will get your wicket.

Someone Fakhar showed that this is possible. Fakhar did psychological badtameezi toward him and that made Bumrah panic and bowl a no ball. And then the rest was history. How do you do this? Throw him off his game and attack by coming out of the crease.

Who will be the batsman to put Bumrah in his place?

Not saying this to insult Bumrah, I respect him for making it this far regardless of any dubious techniques. Saying this as a neutral fan with no skin in the game.

Is this the game Pakistan still lost to India?

I see where you are coming from. You are correct in a sense but every bowler can get hit in t20 tbh and even in odi.

 

[kron]

Agree 100 percent, Indian team relies on him in absence of Siraj. So just kill the parrot and the behemoth will die. As the soul of behemoth lies in the parrot.

Whenever siraj plays, India has never won a icc event

Moment he was dropped we won every icc event.

But I do like siraj still. He is a fighter

But keep him for tests

Honestly I would play him over Varun kacharavathy.

 

[kron]

Tbh you need to show him eyes and use some words. Need an aggressive batsman to get into his head, someone in the mold of Kohli, Ponting, Ahmed Shehzad but such characters don’t exist anymore.

What if that gets him fired up though?

I would say midget leftie is bumrah’s kryptonite
Like Latham and the other midget from kiwi

 

[kron]

What would the Indian batters have done against Bumrah, tell me?

Come on, why are you comparing Rizwan with Bethell & Curran - both of those batters are light years ahead of him, and were middling the ball quiet well and happy to strike as needed.

Rizwan played an ugly slog after the pressure kept building up, Pakistan were never in any control during that match, while England were on top of the RR chasing a crazy total.

Look, I wont say it was a terrible plan from England - ruined by Pandya as you said, but I don’t agree that Bumrah is so invincible that you premeditate 6 singles off his over, I think that 10-12 runs was quiet possible and that you should still look to score.

Sky is trash
Abishek is fodder
Shivam is mediocre

Rest are good or atleast give average.

 

[maha3us]

Hello all,

This is the solution that has to be implemented vs India and it won’t matter if they score 200 or 300 in t20s, any total will be chaseable.

Stop showing Bumrah respect, if anything, disrespect him.

However if you let stats, man of the match awards, and spreadsheets get to you then he will get your wicket.

Someone Fakhar showed that this is possible. Fakhar did psychological badtameezi toward him and that made Bumrah panic and bowl a no ball. And then the rest was history. How do you do this? Throw him off his game and attack by coming out of the crease.

Who will be the batsman to put Bumrah in his place?

Not saying this to insult Bumrah, I respect him for making it this far regardless of any dubious techniques. Saying this as a neutral fan with no skin in the game.

Bumrah in 2017 was not considered a big force and that is not the single reason Pakistan did very well. Sarfraz could get clear tactics for winning each match after his team lost to India in the first match and that is what helped the team to lift the trophy. But the baffling question one has is why Hasan Ali, Junaid Khan and Mohammed Amir who made a splendid bowling combination could not be the same force later?

 

[SherWaqar]

What a bowler this bloke is. A freak once in a generation talent.

 

[ravisurya]

I propose replace Naqvi with brother Suleiman

Only if he is capable of stealing the world cup.

 

[shaz619]

Lied about there being a controversy around his action. There is no controversy. No one needs your backhanded compliments. But I can understand why you need to continue lying about this, its just another way to deny reality

There is though, it has to be acknowledged at least when you post on a Pakistani forum, if you can’t take opposing views here then go back to your little bubble, not sure why you are here. Little hateful folk get upset even when something positive is said.

Yes, I deny the reality that I will never be granted a UK visa - Happy? since we’re taking in riddles.

 

[Master Blaster]

If Bhumrah can't then Doobe will get you.

Why to put so much effort??
Just steal the trophy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s because they have been bought by BCCI, but I am a free agent. Do not share this post. We have to keep this under wraps.

Bumrah’s days are numbered.

#TheFinalSolution is here.

Why didn’t u give it to Pakistan?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah shouldn't be bowled in the first 4 overs, which is the mistake india did against Pakistan in Asia cup. All his biggest overs were when he bowled in first 4 overs. They have fixed that now.

And being hit in random bilateral is different than trying to hit him in the freaking world cup, where he isn't holding back

Bumrah doesn't bowl new ball overs even for MI. That was one of the dumbest experiment India was doing at that time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why didn’t u give it to Pakistan?

Ya.saim could have avoide no look dismisssal lol

 

[Sachin fan]

There is though, it has to be acknowledged at least when you post on a Pakistani forum, if you can’t take opposing views here then go back to your little bubble, not sure why you are here. Little hateful folk get upset even when something positive is said.

Yes, I deny the reality that I will never be granted a UK visa - Happy? since we’re taking in riddles.

Reality is, people talking on forums doesn't affect real life. For something to be controversial it should be spoken about in media, ex players, current players, commentators, umpires, etc.

Or else I can make a claim about Farhan's character and then you will need to acknowledge that Farhan is a controversial player. You really want things to work like that?

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Defeat Bumrah psychologically and the rest of the attack will collapse

Is a bit like saying:

Exercise well and train the right way and you can climb Mt Everest

Or

Work hard enough and you can be an owner of an IT Unicorn with a massive IPO

Yeah sure, in theory all are possible. Execution though is the problem, and has been since the beginning of time.

My Everest aise hi nahin banta.

Jaspreet Bumrah aise hi nahin banta

 

[JaDed]

The logic that Farhan would had smacked Bumrah had he got to face him is same as Bangladesh would had competed better than Zim and Lanka had they played.

 

[Suleiman]

Tbh you need to show him eyes and use some words. Need an aggressive batsman to get into his head, someone in the mold of Kohli, Ponting, Ahmed Shehzad but such characters don’t exist anymore.

Look at Kamran The Brave (Kami) and how he treated Ishant. This is the type of attitude you need to tame Bumrah.

Give him an attitude adjustment psychologically and then he will be bound to make a mistake.

Sometimes you need to stop being a statsguru nerd and man up and be street smart and just be a thug on the cricket field.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah didnt play in CT. We still won with 30% fit Shami lol India finds a way.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is a real predicament because trying to play him out means you are banking on tonking the rest of the bowlers for 16 overs ( and they are no mugs either).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bumrah didnt play in CT. We still won with 30% fit Shami lol India finds a way.

SHami is a better LOI bowler than Bumrah.

 

[kron]

Bumrah shouldn't be bowled in the first 4 overs, which is the mistake india did against Pakistan in Asia cup. All his biggest overs were when he bowled in first 4 overs. They have fixed that now.

And being hit in random bilateral is different than trying to hit him in the freaking world cup, where he isn't holding back

Exactly like Shamza shami

What a beast shami was in odi.

He is still lighting it up in ranji

Maybe call back for tests again

Shami turns it up a notch in icc events and so does bumrah.

Shami in particular for odi

Bumrah more for t20 and tests.

 

[kron]

Not one cricket pundit, former cricketer or current cricketer has questioned his action unlike former chuckers banned for their action who were called out by dozens and dozens of cricket pundits, former cricketers and cricketers of their time for their action.​

His action is cleaner than a whistle.

But even if he was chucking right, there is nothing anyone can do about it.

In saying that, he isn’t chucking .

 

[kron]

SHami is a better LOI bowler than Bumrah.

Better odi bowler yes. Not t20

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Introduce fancy batters like Konstas or superstars like Travis

 

[shaz619]

Reality is, people talking on forums doesn't affect real life. For something to be controversial it should be spoken about in media, ex players, current players, commentators, umpires, etc.

Or else I can make a claim about Farhan's character and then you will need to acknowledge that Farhan is a controversial player. You really want things to work like that?

Farhan doesn’t play for a board which heavily influences the governing body though does it, it’s not all black & white and the controversy surrounding that player is not limited to the Pakistani opinion, however, beyond that I acknowledged he’s skilful to do what he does is not easy & requires practice and I think he’d have been successful with or without the question marks around him.

 

[uppercut]

Hello all,

This is the solution that has to be implemented vs India and it won’t matter if they score 200 or 300 in t20s, any total will be chaseable.

Stop showing Bumrah respect, if anything, disrespect him.

However if you let stats, man of the match awards, and spreadsheets get to you then he will get your wicket.

Someone Fakhar showed that this is possible. Fakhar did psychological badtameezi toward him and that made Bumrah panic and bowl a no ball. And then the rest was history. How do you do this? Throw him off his game and attack by coming out of the crease.

Who will be the batsman to put Bumrah in his place?

Not saying this to insult Bumrah, I respect him for making it this far regardless of any dubious techniques. Saying this as a neutral fan with no skin in the game.

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Look at Kamran The Brave (Kami) and how he treated Ishant. This is the type of attitude you need to tame Bumrah.

Give him an attitude adjustment psychologically and then he will be bound to make a mistake.

Sometimes you need to stop being a statsguru nerd and man up and be street smart and just be a thug on the cricket field.

Reminds me of the story of a bunch of mice who came up with the brilliant idea of tying a bell to a cat. Then it came down to which one of the mice would do the honors and the rest is history

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have to realize they will live of that game for a long time. For them 2017 was just yesterday.

If that’s the case then Pakistan Cricket will be stuck in 2017

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is though, it has to be acknowledged at least when you post on a Pakistani forum, if you can’t take opposing views here then go back to your little bubble, not sure why you are here. Little hateful folk get upset even when something positive is said.

Yes, I deny the reality that I will never be granted a UK visa - Happy? since we’re taking in riddles.

What controversy? Posts by anonymous posters on a online forum is no controversy, controversy would be if umpires or experts would say its not legal

 

[shaz619]

What controversy? Posts by anonymous posters on a online forum is no controversy, controversy would be if umpires or experts would say its not legal

Why would the umpires risk their pay check? There is no neutrality here and we’ve seen the rules being manipulated repeatedly to favour certain agendas during this WC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why would the umpires risk their pay check? There is no neutrality here and we’ve seen the rules being manipulated repeatedly to favour certain agendas during this WC.

That’s your accusation, it holds no credibility. Keep spinning conspiracy theories

 

[shaz619]

That’s your accusation, it holds no credibility. Keep spinning conspiracy theories

I haven’t made any accusations, sensitive little fella aren’t you

Perhaps there’s truth out there which is rustling the jimmies

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why would the umpires risk their pay check? There is no neutrality here and we’ve seen the rules being manipulated repeatedly to favour certain agendas during this WC.

If umpires could report harbhajan why not bumrah?

Leave umpires, even commentators haven’t railed any doubts about his action, damien fleming has even explained his action in details on channel 9

 

[cricketjoshila]

I haven’t made any accusations, sensitive little fella aren’t you

Perhaps there’s truth out there which is rustling the jimmies

You have accused bumrah of a illegal bowling action

Your truth isn’t “The Truth” it’s the jealousy of a Pakistani that an Indian fast bowler is better than any Pakistani bowler

 

[jnaveen1980]

SHami is a better LOI bowler than Bumrah.

Not this Shami. He is long gone. He could barely stay on the field with his fitness.

 

[shaz619]

If umpires could report harbhajan why not bumrah?

Leave umpires, even commentators haven’t railed any doubts about his action, damien fleming has even explained his action in details on channel 9

Does your board hold more influence now or back then?

Why do commies bring up controversial topics during a live broadcast?

 

[shaz619]

You have accused bumrah of a illegal bowling action

Your truth isn’t “The Truth” it’s the jealousy of a Pakistani that an Indian fast bowler is better than any Pakistani bowler

Pak bowlers are not performing well at this time, same as what yours were like in the 90’s. If I was jealous I wouldn’t give credit to him where due even with the controversy, and instead would make it about Pak v Ind because am an insecure little vermin.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not this Shami. He is long gone. He could barely stay on the field with his fitness.

True. He is quite underrated though at his peak he was a devastating bowler. More devastating than Bumrah in ODI.

 

[jnaveen1980]

True. He is quite underrated though at his peak he was a devastating bowler. More devastating than Bumrah in ODI.

OdI world cup GOAT. His stats are unparalleled. Thing is all his world cup wickets in the 2 new ball and field restriction era. Most of his world cup matches happened on flat pitches.

 

[sweep_shot]

OdI world cup GOAT. His stats are unparalleled. Thing is all his world cup wickets in the 2 new ball and field restriction era. Most of his world cup matches happened on flat pitches.

Starc is the ODI WC GOAT.

Starc did it for longer. He also has more WC wickets.

 

[Prince of Dorne]

True. He is quite underrated though at his peak he was a devastating bowler. More devastating than Bumrah in ODI.

True. 3rd best Asian bowler ever overall after Bumrah and Wasim.

 

[sweep_shot]

True. 3rd best Asian bowler ever overall after Bumrah and Wasim.

Chucker Bumrah is 3 levels below Wasim.

Bumrah is not even India's best. Shami, Srinath, Ishant, Kapil Dev, and Zaheer Khan were better than Bumrah.

Bumrah has the luxury to bowl against T20 hacks. Chucking also helps I guess.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I have been seeing these new ‘recipe’ threads from Pakistani after every tournament .

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Chucker Bumrah is 3 levels below Wasim.

Bumrah is not even India's best. Shami, Srinath, Ishant, Kapil Dev, and Zaheer Khan were better than Bumrah.

Bumrah has the luxury to bowl against T20 hacks. Chucking also helps.

Buddy, your hatred for Team India and Bumrah has reached such unhealthy levels that it deserves clinical attention. I'd ask you to go see a shrink, but then your shrink would immediately need therapy too after five minutes with you. I’d rather not start a mental health domino effect.

 

[aimhigh]

Attacking the other team's main bowler is a recipe for disaster. Playing out the best bowler and going after weaker ones is more logical. England's problems yesterday was not their inability to attack Bumrah. It was the dropped catches, Archer being ineffective and India taking every possible catch from every angle.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah will be up against his bogey team, New Zealand so this is a good stage for him to prove his worth. I am not well aware of his record vs NZ in T20Is but they are his bogey team in both test and ODIs. He just doesnt have the performance against them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah will be up against his bogey team, New Zealand so this is a good stage for him to prove his worth. I am not well aware of his record vs NZ in T20Is but they are his bogey team in both test and ODIs. He just doesnt have the performance against them.

Bumrah vs NZ T20 world.cups

8 overs 34 runs 3 wickets. 2 matches. That is good even in ODI

 

[Josh]

Pakistani openers should attack Bumrah in the next world cup, but it's impossible to attack Bumrah when Pandya sends you back before he even bowls.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Pakistani openers should attack Bumrah in the next world cup, but it's impossible to attack Bumrah when Pandya sends you back before he even bowls.

Pandya takes early wickets every time.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Bumrah going up against his nemesis NZ, matter of fact I believe every Indian fast bowler has struggled against NZ starting with Dev..

 

[Prince of Dorne]

Pandya takes early wickets every time.

When you think of it, Pandya can walk into most teams purely as a bowler. Scary good he has become. Probably the most valuable member of our team.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It may sound hilarious, but if anybody in NZ could ace Bumrah it's Jimmy Neesham or Chapman

 

[Prince of Dorne]

It may sound hilarious, but if anybody in NZ could ace Bumrah it's Jimmy Neesham or Chapman

Nothing hilarious about it, cricket is a funny game, even the greatest can have an off day or two. Also both Neesh and Chapman are fairly capable hitters.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Forget about Bumrah , you guys couldn’t even capitalize against Dube, who bowled the first over in the recent Asia Cup final.