Repatriation

[PakLFC]

Question to Pakistanis living abroad especially in western countries. If your host country offered you around 50,000 to repatriate to would you accept it?. I would consider it for £100,000!

 

[Yossarian]

Question to Pakistanis living abroad especially in western countries. If your host country offered you around 50,000 to repatriate to would you accept it?. I would consider it for £100,000!

"Repatriation" means "going back". Those of Pakistani ancestry, but 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation born in the West will be 'out of place' if they emigrated to Pakistan. I'll guarantee that it will be easier for them to settle down if they emigrated to another Western countries than if they emigrated to Pakistan.

So the answer is "no"

 

[PakLFC]

"Repatriation" means "going back". Those of Pakistani ancestry, but 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation born in the West will be 'out of place' if they emigrated to Pakistan. I'll guarantee that it will be easier for them to settle down if they emigrated to another Western countries than if they emigrated to Pakistan.

So the answer is "no"

Far right wing groups do look upon those born and raised in the west as going back to the land of their ancestry. They insist that we were never Australian or American in the first place thereby have no right to live in the west. They do not look upon it as immigrating at all.

 

[Yossarian]

Far right wing groups do look upon those born and raised in the west as going back to the land of their ancestry. They insist that we were never Australian or American in the first place thereby have no right to live in the west. They do not look upon it as immigrating at all.

So now it's a case of what right wingers think when your OP originally asked whether you would go back to a country of your ethnic origins if you were offered money? Why are you now moving the goalposts because you didn't like the answer?

Here's something for you to ponder:

* The majority of those ethnic Pakistanis living in the UK are descendants of those who came in the late 50's and early / mid 60's.

* Most of those came as young men in their mid 20's to mid 30's. Meaning that they had lived in "Pakistan" (since it's creation) for between 10 - 15 years, ie less than half their lives.

* So in the 69 years since Pakistan existed as a country, approx a total of 10 - 15 years was spent living in Pakistan, and 50+ years of living in the UK (if still alive), and their descendants born in the UK living their whole lives in the UK.

* And you think they will give it all up, even for £50,000, to go and live in a country whose culture is very different to what they have been brought up in and schools they been educated at?

* Do you think they will be able to compete in the jobs market with local Pakistanis if they emigrate to Pakistan?

* How long do you think that £50,000 will last then?

What you are proposing/suggesting are just childish pipedreams and when analysed have no connection with ground realities.

 

[PakLFC]

So now it's a case of what right wingers think when your OP originally asked whether you would go back to a country of your ethnic origins if you were offered money? Why are you now moving the goalposts because you didn't like the answer?

Here's something for you to ponder:

* The majority of those ethnic Pakistanis living in the UK are descendants of those who came in the late 50's and early / mid 60's.

* Most of those came as young men in their mid 20's to mid 30's. Meaning that they had lived in "Pakistan" (since it's creation) for between 10 - 15 years, ie less than half their lives.

* So in the 69 years since Pakistan existed as a country, approx a total of 10 - 15 years was spent living in Pakistan, and 50+ years of living in the UK (if still alive), and their descendants born in the UK living their whole lives in the UK.

* And you think they will give it all up, even for £50,000, to go and live in a country whose culture is very different to what they have been brought up in and schools they been educated at?

* Do you think they will be able to compete in the jobs market with local Pakistanis if they emigrate to Pakistan?

* How long do you think that £50,000 will last then?

What you are proposing/suggesting are just childish pipedreams and when analysed have no connection with ground realities.

You've lost me with your drivel and goal posts comments that were supposedly moved! What are you saying in plain English and what is your point? I am saying that I would consider "going back" for £100,000 but realise every Pakistanis financial situation is different. Many don't have family there anymore. Yes many would consider going back despite the different culture you are crying about and many have done so even without being paid for it.

Those who are leaving Saudi and UAE etc do have to go back and do something. Farming has to be an option for them as well, when your paid to return then may be able to start some business or something thereby have more options. What is £50,000 in Pak rupee's, like anything else is has to be used wisely like a business venture or even investment. You have no clue what your saying in your meaningless rhetoric when some in the UK and the USA I know have returned to Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

I'll take the money and go back, then come back after a year or so. They didn't say I couldn't return

 

[HussainRx8]

Question to Pakistanis living abroad especially in western countries. If your host country offered you around 50,000 to repatriate to would you accept it?. I would consider it for £100,000!

If my host country offers me money to repatriate, I would not only move but paisay unkay moun par marounga. It means that I'm not welcome there. I don't know if I would repatriate or move to another country, but I won't stay in the current one.

 

[Saeed]

Then nore Pakistanis will start moving to west so just they could get money to move back.

 

[Pakistanian]

50 - 100 grand is really nothing in the grand scheme of things when you're working to get into a career where you can make ten-fold that amount.

I'd gladly donate or invest that much money (once I get there) in Pakistan but wouldn't consider moving there.

 

[Yossarian]

You've lost me with your drivel and goal posts comments that were supposedly moved! What are you saying in plain English and what is your point? I am saying that I would consider "going back" for £100,000 but realise every Pakistanis financial situation is different. Many don't have family there anymore. Yes many would consider going back despite the different culture you are crying about and many have done so even without being paid for it.

Those who are leaving Saudi and UAE etc do have to go back and do something. Farming has to be an option for them as well, when your paid to return then may be able to start some business or something thereby have more options. What is £50,000 in Pak rupee's, like anything else is has to be used wisely like a business venture or even investment. You have no clue what your saying in your meaningless rhetoric when some in the UK and the USA I know have returned to Pakistan.

Seem's as if you are incapable of understanding the history of ethnic Pakistanis living and/or born and bred in the UK.

You can't compare the situation of those Pakistanis living in the Gulf States with those 2nd / 3rd / 4th generation born and bred in the UK/USA.

For a start, those born and bred in the UK/USA are US/UK citizens with UK/US Passports, whereas those in the Gulf States are, by and large, migrant workers that are not local citizens and need to renew their visa's every few years and can have their visa's revoked or not renewed any time the local Arab authorities decide to do so. Saudi Arabia has done such that for large numbers of migrant workers not that long ago.

Secondly, those few who have voluntarily 'returned' to Pakistan on a permanent basis are either those who still have connections with the UK/USA, and can go back to the UK/USA any time they wish, or those who never had the option of remaining in the UK/USA on a permanent basis.

You need to understand that anyone who decides to move back to Pakistan, in return for accepting £50,000 (or £100,000 you seem to think), will be doing so on the basis that they never return. Now tell me, those that you claim have 'gone back', how many do you think have done so voluntarily and on the basis that they can/will never go back to the USA?

 

[Yossarian]

If my host country offers me money to repatriate, I would not only move but paisay unkay moun par marounga. It means that I'm not welcome there. I don't know if I would repatriate or move to another country, but I won't stay in the current one.

Do you think the likes of the UK and USA governments will offer large amounts of money for ethnic Pakistanis who are UK/US citizens (born and bred in the UK or USA) to emigrate to somewhere like Pakistan? )

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Far right wing groups do look upon those born and raised in the west as going back to the land of their ancestry. They insist that we were never Australian or American in the first place thereby have no right to live in the west. They do not look upon it as immigrating at all.

By that logic, white Australians and Americans should be repatriated back to Europe. I don't think the far right groups have really thought this through properly.

 

[PakLFC]

By that logic, white Australians and Americans should be repatriated back to Europe. I don't think the far right groups have really thought this through properly.

I agree that far right groups in Australia and America are thick. They don't realise the history of America and Australia nor ever see the white people as invaders. This "invader" word for them is exclusive for Muslim people.

 

[HussainRx8]

Do you think the likes of the UK and USA governments will offer large amounts of money for ethnic Pakistanis who are UK/US citizens (born and bred in the UK or USA) to emigrate to somewhere like Pakistan? )

You do know that I was responding to a hypothetical question posed by the OP?

 

[PakLFC]

Re-read the rubbish you are spouting. Seem's as if you are incapable of understanding the history of ethnic Pakistanis living and/or born and bred in the UK.

You can't compare the situation of those Pakistanis living in the Gulf States with those 2nd / 3rd / 4th generation born and bred in the UK/USA.

For a start, those born and bred in the UK/USA are US/UK citizens with UK/US Passports, whereas those in the Gulf States are, by and large, migrant workers that are not local citizens and need to renew their visa's every few years and can have their visa's revoked or not renewed any time the local Arab authorities decide to do so. Saudi Arabia has done such that for large numbers of migrant workers not that long ago.

Secondly, those few who have voluntarily 'returned' to Pakistan on a permanent basis are either those who still have connections with the UK/USA, and can go back to the UK/USA any time they wish, or those who never had the option of remaining in the UK/USA on a permanent basis.

You need to understand that anyone who decides to move back to Pakistan, in return for accepting £50,000 (or £100,000 you seem to think), will be doing so on the basis that they never return. Now tell me, those that you claim have 'gone back', how many do you think have done so voluntarily and on the basis that they can/will never go back to the USA?

So I suggest you do some analysis before starting to spout rubbish.

I struggled to read your long and boring mail that it almost put me to sleep! No one is comparing anything to anyone, you are seeing thing here. Yes I do know many Pakistanis who have willingly left the west and they did not even get paid for it. The reason was that they did not want to raise their kids in a culture they felt wan highly immoral so resettled in a Muslim country. Now the question is that if how many would willingly leave if they were paid to do so?

I don't think you have the intellect to understand a simple question. I fully realise that it means possibly signing a document agreeing to never return to these shores again in exchange for an agreed sum like £50,000 or it's equivalent. You seem unwilling to accept that many Pakistanis do leave the west after arriving here, does that hurt your ego or make you feel uncomfortable for some odd reason?

I know that having a UK passport makes them/me a citizen where as in the Gulf region this is not the case, I am also UK born as well so understand the rules perfectly as compared to Arab countries.. This question occurred to me after I visited a far rights website who want all "brown people" and the children of immigrants to leave these shores humanely. In exchange they will be happy to pay us a hefty sum...I am the son of immigrants in case you are now going to immaturely fuss over this now. Try to understand the question before you open your mouth. Ignorance is not bliss!

 

[Yossarian]

I struggled to read your long and boring mail that it almost put me to sleep! No one is comparing anything to anyone, you are seeing thing here. Yes I do know many Pakistanis who have willingly left the west and they did not even get paid for it. The reason was that they did not want to raise their kids in a culture they felt wan highly immoral so resettled in a Muslim country. Now the question is that if how many would willingly leave if they were paid to do so?

I don't think you have the intellect to understand a simple question. I fully realise that it means possibly signing a document agreeing to never return to these shores again in exchange for an agreed sum like £50,000 or it's equivalent. You seem unwilling to accept that many Pakistanis do leave the west after arriving here, does that hurt your ego or make you feel uncomfortable for some odd reason?

I know that having a UK passport makes them/me a citizen where as in the Gulf region this is not the case, I am also UK born as well so understand the rules perfectly as compared to Arab countries.. This question occurred to me after I visited a far rights website who want all "brown people" and the children of immigrants to leave these shores humanely. In exchange they will be happy to pay us a hefty sum...I am the son of immigrants in case you are now going to immaturely fuss over this now. Try to understand the question before you open your mouth. Ignorance is not bliss!

A load of drivel. I think I'll leave it at that and wait for you to receive your £100,000 or so from the UK government in return for asking you to leave, according to your own statement, the land of your birth (ie the UK), of which presumably you are a citizen of, and emigrate to a country you were not born in or grew up in (ie Pakistan).

 

[PakLFC]

A load of drivel. I think I'll leave it at that and wait for you to receive your £100,000 or so from the UK government in return for asking you to leave, according to your own statement, the land of your birth (ie the UK), of which presumably you are a citizen of, and emigrate to a country you were not born in or grew up in (ie Pakistan).

Can't answer the question then opt out the easy way by writing nonsense just for the sake off it. Yes I will consider leaving if a hefty sum was offered to me. That would go a long way in making a good life in Pakistan, not being a place of my birth is irrelevant. It's still the place of my ethnicity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I struggled to read your long and boring mail that it almost put me to sleep! No one is comparing anything to anyone, you are seeing thing here. Yes I do know many Pakistanis who have willingly left the west and they did not even get paid for it. The reason was that they did not want to raise their kids in a culture they felt wan highly immoral so resettled in a Muslim country. Now the question is that if how many would willingly leave if they were paid to do so?

I don't think you have the intellect to understand a simple question. I fully realise that it means possibly signing a document agreeing to never return to these shores again in exchange for an agreed sum like £50,000 or it's equivalent. You seem unwilling to accept that many Pakistanis do leave the west after arriving here, does that hurt your ego or make you feel uncomfortable for some odd reason?

I know that having a UK passport makes them/me a citizen where as in the Gulf region this is not the case, I am also UK born as well so understand the rules perfectly as compared to Arab countries.. This question occurred to me after I visited a far rights website who want all "brown people" and the children of immigrants to leave these shores humanely. In exchange they will be happy to pay us a hefty sum...I am the son of immigrants in case you are now going to immaturely fuss over this now. Try to understand the question before you open your mouth. Ignorance is not bliss!

This solution seems to have a racist undertone. I have a better idea, why not offer 100k to anyone who wants to leave the UK regardless of the ethnic heritage? When you consider that even the Queen's husband has German/Greek ancestry you can surely see the logic in this.

 

[PakLFC]

This solution seems to have a racist undertone. I have a better idea, why not offer 100k to anyone who wants to leave the UK regardless of the ethnic heritage? When you consider that even the Queen's husband has German/Greek ancestry you can surely see the logic in this.

That is not the point neither is there an iota of racism when I am from the supposed minority community. People like you who suffer from a never ending victim mentality see racism everywhere, it's just the way people like you think! Why should I offer anyone anything at all? I am saying that would minority communities accept money for leaving these shores? I am not suggesting for this to be a solution to anything at all when Muslim countries are a bigger mess then non-Muslim ones.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There are some that would accept such a pay out but this would mainly be the elderly who gave up their homeland to make a better future for their families. I know a few who have retired back to Pakistan after building themselves a nice house etc..

Personally I wouldn't , the UK is a brilliant country to live in. We have everything we need here being British and having Pakistani roots. Sure there are racist elements but the majority of people here are more than tolerant, Pakistani's have been here so long they are pretty comfortable here now.

 

[The_KING]

Never in a million years. I would be an idiot to leave the good life of England to live in Pakistan.. A country where there is corruption deep rooted in the heart of the society, a country where there are constant daily problems with water and electricity, a country where people are ill mannered and don't even know how to drive properly, a country where there is very little regard for human life, a country where terrorism is rampant. Would I ever wanna live in that country? Never, not even if someone offers me a million pounds, I would consider swapping the good life of England for hard life of Pakistan. Pakistan is only really good for a couple of weeks of holiday per year even if that. If you are well settled in England or some other good Western country and you decide to go back home then you really are the most unfortunate person who doesn't realise what (s)he had. I love England and I would never ever consider leaving it to go back to Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That is not the point neither is there an iota of racism when I am from the supposed minority community. People like you who suffer from a never ending victim mentality see racism everywhere, it's just the way people like you think! Why should I offer anyone anything at all? I am saying that would minority communities accept money for leaving these shores? I am not suggesting for this to be a solution to anything at all when Muslim countries are a bigger mess then non-Muslim ones.

Are you talking about immigrants or their 2nd/3rd generation descendants as well? It's unclear because Yossarian has asked this question and you didn't give a clear answer, perhaps you didn't understand his point. If you still don't understand let me know and I'll type it more slowly until it registers.

 

[PakLFC]

Are you talking about immigrants or their 2nd/3rd generation descendants as well? It's unclear because Yossarian has asked this question and you didn't give a clear answer, perhaps you didn't understand his point. If you still don't understand let me know and I'll type it more slowly until it registers.

Okay, you can type at the speed of a tortoise. Just tell me so that I know about this. Now to your question I am talking of immigrants and their descendants as well. To the far right wing it doesn't make any difference. By the way before you go on about it I realise that those born here are British citizens with UK passports.