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[Report] "Babar has already spoken to his teammates, and majority of them advised him not to step down himself": PCB source

YousafTheBeast said:
True, the chairman isn’t going anywhere until the General Elections in February. He probably won’t want to risk upsetting Babar’s cult followers when he’s only got a couple of months left.
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Let's wait until the Pakistan cricket team arrives in Pakistan.
 
Rana said:
Should have persisted with the same team in 2019 then? Why he hypocritical about it now?
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I think you guys that are new to this, so you don't understand that it's a decline that has been going to 24 years. Re- arranging the chairs on the Titanic is going to stop the sinking. When you get total clowns like Sethi, Zaka, and many others getting posts in the PCB for political favours , you will not get any sort of culture that wins. The PCB needs to come out of political hands and back into professional administrations. Mohammed Wasim was an excellent administrator and he was hounded by clowns that wanted freebies.

As far as the team is concerned-Change for the sake change will not improve the team. We have an average team and it was pretty average in 2019. I would get rid of Babar as captain, I would get rid of Hasan Ali and Rauf and all the spinners. I would also get rid of Imam as he has reached his ceiling.
FZ
Babar
Saim
Abdullah( in the short term)
Saud( in the short term)
Riz
?
SSA
Nas
Abrar
Ihsanullah
 
I am not in favour of Babar being captain, he should resign immediately or PCB should sack him.

However just found some stats about Pak ex-captains in World cups:

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Desprado123 said:
Did you here audio leak of the new chief selector and how much venom he spitting on Rizwan and Babar. Even if Babar remains a Captain still now he will have 0 power in selecting squad and the new coach will select a playing 11 and even playing position will not be on Babar wish. It is like death wish to end career as well if you not a captain.
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What did he say? can you provide the link to the audio?
 
Nasty Naz said:
The ODI question is fairly irrelevant right now considering Pakistan don't even play an ODI a year from now but the real question to ask is, should Babar continue as captain for T20's & Tests. Given the recent Test series in SL and I think the Test team needs more stability anyways, it may be fine for him to continue as captain for Tests.

For T20's however, he should be removed and the batting order needs to changed so both Rizwan & Babar aren't opening. One of them can open, but that other spot should be more for someone like Saim/Haris and it may be time for a fresh voice & captaincy in T20's anyways. Pakistan needs to have someone with an aggressive mindset in T20's, not a conservative approach that Babar uses.

For ODI's, I think you need to remove Babar but no need to name a replacement since Pakistan is not playing ODI's for a year anyways. You can give it some time, see how players perform in the next few months, PSL and see who it is that is even going to be a fixture in the ODI lineup going forward in the first place before naming captain.

However, knowing PCB dumb chairmen and management, they are likely to sack Babar across formats and name some random who can't even justify their batting spot like Shan or Sarfraz.
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Actually thats a very good suggestion. No need to announce odi captain for next 6 months minimum. And yes he should continue with test captaincy and give him NZ series witb clear goals. If he fails to implement new style of play.. then reconsider t20 captaincy as well. I do not want shaheen or rizwan to be captain of anything
 
I heard abdul razzaq bashing babar IQ and level of thinking by saying that he played with him in a domestic cricket and found babar not very intelligent or smart in cricketing moves. He is an average guy with good batting skills.
 
As per latest news it is looking like babar will continue captaincy as we dont have any ODI in next 8 months. Babar will be a captain in Aus tests. If team shown good performance he will continue leading in T20 WC otherwise shaheen will be our T20 captain.
 
Not a single man in current squad or the ones who are contracted deserve to be captain...It's better to stick with babar until they find someone who really deserves his spot in team.
I don't understand how babar is to be blamed when the whole team is bunch of mediocre player.
 
Bewal Express said:
I think you guys that are new to this, so you don't understand that it's a decline that has been going to 24 years. Re- arranging the chairs on the Titanic is going to stop the sinking. When you get total clowns like Sethi, Zaka, and many others getting posts in the PCB for political favours , you will not get any sort of culture that wins. The PCB needs to come out of political hands and back into professional administrations. Mohammed Wasim was an excellent administrator and he was hounded by clowns that wanted freebies.

As far as the team is concerned-Change for the sake change will not improve the team. We have an average team and it was pretty average in 2019. I would get rid of Babar as captain, I would get rid of Hasan Ali and Rauf and all the spinners. I would also get rid of Imam as he has reached his ceiling.
FZ
Babar
Saim
Abdullah( in the short term)
Saud( in the short term)
Riz
?
SSA
Nas
Abrar
Ihsanullah
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I think you make some really good points. I read earlier that all the best players were selected for this World Cup but in this list you include Saim and Abrar. I won’t include Ihasnullah as he wasn’t available.
There were also “retired” or disgruntled players like Amir and Imad Wasim (and we missed guys who can bowl in PP).
Do you think if these 4 or 5 guys were in the planning, it would have made a difference?
Given we needed 4 more points to qualify, do you think we could have qualified.
 
Farabi said:
I think you make some really good points. I read earlier that all the best players were selected for this World Cup but in this list you include Saim and Abrar. I won’t include Ihasnullah as he wasn’t available.
There were also “retired” or disgruntled players like Amir and Imad Wasim (and we missed guys who can bowl in PP).
Do you think if these 4 or 5 guys were in the planning, it would have made a difference?
Given we needed 4 more points to qualify, do you think we could have qualified.
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Maybe and we will never know. My fear before the WC was 4,5 and 6. It didn't have that strength you need to win tight matches and although it didn't entirely come down to those guys, they didn't win any big games and Babar himself was very average.
What has really surprised me is the very poor bowling, absolutely awful. Maybe Abrar could have made a difference but its not a given. The real culprits here were SSA and Rauf, just dreadful and let the team down badly. The spinners were as bad as expected
 
Saj said:
Strike rate 82
Terrible captaincy
Batted below par
Looked lost out there on the field
He picked the squad

He has no right to continue as ODI skipper.
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I’m hearing that this is the ploy…

-Babar will not resign as ODI captain.

-The board most likely will let him continue as T20 captain because they apparently find no fault in him as T20 captain.

-The same players/Babar friends circle will get another go for the 2024 T20 World Cup.

-The plan is to fluke into the semis once again, and then the same group of players will look good for ODI selection again for the 2025 CT at home.

If this is the plan, and I’m pretty sure that this is a plot they wouldn’t be ruling out…then the board seriously needs to step in and remove Babar, and anyone from his friendship group for any leadership roles whatsoever. This includes leadership in domestics and PSL.
 
Of course, the players will back him as Babar pushed for their selection in the world cup squad. Didn't Shaheen once say it was akin to blasphemy to criticize Babar's captaincy?

The cult of Babar is strong within this team so that's why he needs to be sacked as captain with a lot of the players in this squad having no future in the ODI set up.
 
Imagine if you and all your coworkers were gathered by your boss and he asks you all “guys should I step down?”, even if you feel the answer is yes, you will be hesitant to say it because of how awkward the relationship can become going forward.

That situation is less risky than this one career wise. You can find another sales, engineering, IT, etc job.

But as a Pakistani cricketer, this is it. PCT is the only channel to play at the highest level. If you burn the wrong bridges, it can be the end of your career and you’ll be stuck in domestics for the rest of your life, and this is a guy called “king” etc by marketing team of PCB, so you know he has pull in the connections scene.

Babar should know better than to do this. YOU know when you’re not fulfilling your role as leader anymore.
 
Babar consults members of babar's friends X1 who advise babar not to step down because they make up babar's friends X1.
 
I know all the Pakistani fans want blood after this miserable WC but instead of making a captaincy change for the sake of captaincy change, there should be bigger questions asked of PCB, not Babar.

Firstly, why is there lack of even half decent spinners being developed. Ever since Ajmal, there hasn't been a single specialist spinner in white ball who's legitimately been good.

Secondly, why are these players not taught to play up to the modern standards in domestic? You look at the Pakistani cup and how many have poor SR and you see the lack of intent from Pakistani batsmen in the powerplay domestically. If you don't have batsmen in domestic going aggressively and playing aerial shots in the PP, how is this going to be implemented Internationally. There's like two batsmen domestically that play up to the modern standards which are Saim & Mohammad Haris. That is not good enough, you need more players who can do that and more players who have power and can hit sixes. You look at how most domestic matches are played and its players starting off slow, building it up, getting 50's and then trying to launch in the death. It's same platform Internationally because that's all they're taught growing up.

This isn't to advocate for Babar at all. He should be stripped of his captaincy but it sure says a lot when there isn't even 2-3 legitimate names that could replace him. It's not about replacing Babar with someone who will bring more of the same but rather, there needs to be a fundamental shift in Pakistan's philosophy and approach and ultimately, that shift needs to begin domestically so it can actually translate to the International level.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As Moin Khan said on a TV show, sacrifice is the main quality of a leader.

He gave example of Virat Kohli and highlighted how his performance increased after giving up captaincy.

Babar should follow in his footsteps.
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And how did Kohli sacrifice? He was removed from captaincy. He even said in press conference that he wasn't happy about it. Moin has no clue
 
There is a time when a star player in the team needs to realise if something is not working. I appreciate Sachin a lot during his 2 tenures as the captain of the team. He knew he wasn't the captain India needed and stepped down himself. When he was offered the captaincy again in 2007, he suggested MS Dhoni and rejected the offer.

Babar needs to do the same. His captaincy isn't working and because of that his batting has suffered. He needs to think in the direction that Pakistan needs Babar the batsman more than the captain. I don't know who is capable of leading Pakistan, frankly I don't see anyone in the current squad but again that is the headache of the selection committee and the board. Babar needs to think what is good for himself and his team and that is to step down.
 
So true!! A captain is only as good as his team, but Babar made basic mistakes and even after 4 years, he is still learning and trying to get better as a captain.

All these guys are playing politics now and I don't think that his friends like Shadab, Shaheen and Rizwan are on Babar's side.

This is exactly what happens when politicians like Zardari, Zaka and Sethi are running our cricket.
 
Imam Shadab Nawaz will all be hoping Babar stays as Captain because who else will select them after their performances in the World and Asia Cup.
 
Babar Azam has returned to Lahore from India. Upon his arrival at Lahore Airport, he was warmly welcomed by the people of Lahore. As we can hear, people are chanting, We love you, Babar.

It is pleasant to see such a positive response from our nation.

 
FearlessRoar said:
Babar Azam has returned to Lahore from India. Upon his arrival at Lahore Airport, he was warmly welcomed by the people of Lahore. As we can hear, people are chanting, We love you, Babar.

It is pleasant to see such a positive response from our nation.

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I want to see the response of the crowd when Mohammad Nawaz will reach back to Pakistan :D
 
FearlessRoar said:
Babar Azam has returned to Lahore from India. Upon his arrival at Lahore Airport, he was warmly welcomed by the people of Lahore. As we can hear, people are chanting, We love you, Babar.

It is pleasant to see such a positive response from our nation.

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Man Pakistan population has gone so soft lol they are accepting such performances now.
 
This is like pressuring your group to give you the answers you want to hear. The reality is that the B, C and D category players are not happy with the A category players ie the A category players only cared about their financial rewards, benefits at the expense of everyone else.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Babar Azam has returned to Lahore from India. Upon his arrival at Lahore Airport, he was warmly welcomed by the people of Lahore. As we can hear, people are chanting, We love you, Babar.

It is pleasant to see such a positive response from our nation.

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just a handful of people probably all Babar cult followers
 
adi_62941 said:
I heard abdul razzaq bashing babar IQ and level of thinking by saying that he played with him in a domestic cricket and found babar not very intelligent or smart in cricketing moves. He is an average guy with good batting skills.
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But Razzaq didn't play C/D teams in his life like Babar.
 
MenInG said:
As per a media report, attributed to a PCB source:

"Babar has already spoken to his teammates, and majority of them advised him not to step down himself. He will come out with a clear line of action once he returns home with the team after failing to make the semi-finals of the World Cup in India. But, he will not step down himself,"

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PCB needs to step in very quickly.

Of course if you ask your colleagues they won't tell you to step down.

And also seems that they are asking him to stay on till he is sacked - What is happening here?
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PCB needs to get their house in order. They are the ones that have caused this mess in Pakistan Cricket.
 
Shafi said:
But Razzaq didn't play C/D teams in his life like Babar.
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Thats absurd. Razzak was also highly inconsistent player in his career. I know he has played some impactful knocks against best teams but also failed many many times when he can have won games for pakistan as per his calibre. He was seriously underperformed cricketer and didnt perform as per his skill level or never been utilized properly post wasim era
 
We need 2 captains same like in Misbah times. Test should have babar and white ball should have shaheen. We dont have many ODI in next 4 years. And only meaningful ODI tournament is in 2025 and 2027.
 
Mohammad Amir, while talking on a local news channel about Babar Azam's Captaincy:

“What is the system? It is not a wall. Five and six people have been given responsibility to run the Pakistan cricket. A captain is also one of them. In 1992 under Imran Khan, we won the World Cup, the system was same. In 1999 our team was a world beater, who reached the finals. We won the 2009 T20 World Cup with the same system, we won the 2017 Champions Trophy under same system."

“Babar is captain for past four years. He has built his team on his own. Buttler is not part of our system, then why did England played so badly? Does the system in England also need a makeover? After 2015 debacle, Morgan said I want to play this brand of cricket, I want these 25 players."

"System remained the same, it is the captain, who changed his mindset. As long as captain’s mindset will not change, system can do nothing. Was it the system, who told him not to play Abrar Ahmad, or bench Fakhar after first match."

“We say Dhoni changed India’s cricket, but he never changed the system. People kept saying that for how long will he keep giving Jadeja and Ashwin chances. And now we say Jadeja is World’s best all-rounder. MS Dhoni has given them the team."
 
Lol, Babar shouldn't be given the privillege to resign.

He should be given a big kick on his back side from the PCB i.e. you have not delivered as captain and hence we are axing you as captain.
 
Why should Babar decide whether he is to remain captain or not? The lack of accountability in all sectors of our society is shameful.
 
This will now get political and messy as always.

Does Babar have the outside backing and support to overpower a Board that wants him to be replaced as skipper.
 
Saj said:
This will now get political and messy as always.

Does Babar have the outside backing and support to overpower a Board that wants him to be replaced as skipper.
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The PCB is looking at either Sarfaraz or Shan Masood as the next captain. They need to stay away from offering the leadership to Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab. A lot of players need to be given the message that they are not indispensable and going forward they will have to perform to remain in the team.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohammad Amir, while talking on a local news channel about Babar Azam's Captaincy:

“What is the system? It is not a wall. Five and six people have been given responsibility to run the Pakistan cricket. A captain is also one of them. In 1992 under Imran Khan, we won the World Cup, the system was same. In 1999 our team was a world beater, who reached the finals. We won the 2009 T20 World Cup with the same system, we won the 2017 Champions Trophy under same system."

“Babar is captain for past four years. He has built his team on his own. Buttler is not part of our system, then why did England played so badly? Does the system in England also need a makeover? After 2015 debacle, Morgan said I want to play this brand of cricket, I want these 25 players."

"System remained the same, it is the captain, who changed his mindset. As long as captain’s mindset will not change, system can do nothing. Was it the system, who told him not to play Abrar Ahmad, or bench Fakhar after first match."

“We say Dhoni changed India’s cricket, but he never changed the system. People kept saying that for how long will he keep giving Jadeja and Ashwin chances. And now we say Jadeja is World’s best all-rounder. MS Dhoni has given them the team."
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Amir doesn't get it. He like most Pakistanis, is fixated on simple solutions.
 

Guys Please refrain from engaging in personal attacks. If you dont have anything to discuss regarding Topic so plz refrain from posting in this thread. Thank you.
 
Phantom Menace said:
Pakistan need an aggressive captain for short formats to drag them in to a modern playing style. The team can carry at most 2 batsman who play a more safety first style. That would be Babar because of his talent, and also Rizwan because he is also talented while filling in the wicket keeper role. Everyone else needs to be at least capable of the Fakhar style innings even if they are not as good at it as him. Then the safety first batters need to be willing to drop down the order if the game is going well so that Pakistan can shoot for the big scores. If the safety first batters are in good, aggressive form then they don't need to slip down the order.
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They need to get Saim and Haris in the squad in which Haris should open with Fakhar.
 
Kianig89 said:
Most of the people believe by sacking Babar, all the problems of Pakistan team will be solved, but actually this is not the scenario barring Babar no other player in this squad is guaranteed a spot, Rizwan is a mediocre batsman who is bound to fail in 8 out of 10 innings in SENA conditions, then what will you do sack Rizwan this merry go needs to stop Babar has time on his side let him continue in ODIs and Tests.

Experiment with someone else in T20s if he succeed then you can make a case
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Rizwan can open and pluss he's a keeper so his position is pretty much secure.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
I am not in favour of Babar being captain, he should resign immediately or PCB should sack him.

However just found some stats about Pak ex-captains in World cups:

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Speaks volume of Babar's talent that even with a poor tournament he averages 40 with a 83 Strike Rate. He just needs a better mindset towards his batting now and play more attacking shots. If he needs time then he should work on them.
 
Saj said:
This will now get political and messy as always.

Does Babar have the outside backing and support to overpower a Board that wants him to be replaced as skipper.
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I wonder if the Pakistani players will try this card ie if the PCB replaced Babar as captain or axes some of the players in the squad or goes back on the central contract terms, the players will lobby and complain to the ICC about political interface in the PCB?
 
In a private TV program, a cricket fan asked who could be the next captain of Pakistan if Babar Azam is removed from the captaincy.

In response to this question, Mohammad Amir, who retired from international cricket, pointed to the all-rounder Imad Wasim in the same program and said that Imad Wasim can be the next captain of T20.

He said that T20 World Cup is in June next year, before that Pakistan has to play only T20 matches apart from three Test matches and Imad can be the best choice for it.

Mohammad Amir suggested the name of Shan Masood as the next captain for the ODI format, while for the Test format, the former fast bowler said that Sarfaraz Ahmed still has two years of cricket left, so it is important to prepare the young player. So give Sarfaraz Ahmed Test captaincy and make a young player vice-captain with him.


Source: ARY
 
Savak said:
I wonder if the Pakistani players will try this card ie if the PCB replaced Babar as captain or axes some of the players in the squad or goes back on the central contract terms, the players will lobby and complain to the ICC about political interface in the PCB?
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Exactly!!! PCB is run by spineless people and ICC shouldn't dictate who should be selected in the team. Any employer has right to choose his workers because at the end he is responsible for pay.
 
Some news from media today attributed to PCB media Director of Media, Aaliya Rashid:

"Tomorrow, Mickey Arthur is coming, there is a meeting. It would be premature to say anything about the change in the captain of the cricket team"

"It is possible that tomorrow we will hear a decision from Babar Azam himself"
 
MenInG said:
Some news from media today attributed to PCB media Director of Media, Aaliya Rashid:

"Tomorrow, Mickey Arthur is coming, there is a meeting. It would be premature to say anything about the change in the captain of the cricket team"

"It is possible that tomorrow we will hear a decision from Babar Azam himself"
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Something isn’t right about this Aaliya lady.

Her resignation from the inquiry committee for Inzimam is really suspicious
 
Rana said:
Something isn’t right about this Aaliya lady.

Her resignation from the inquiry committee for Inzimam is really suspicious
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And who is she to be saying anything about Babar decision.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
You do know Riz gets the job if Babar resigns.

Right?
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Well, the PCB better know something that we don’t.

Anyone from that management company should not be put into a power of position. Also, they better openly tell us that they are banking on the Riz/Bar opening partnership to win us the T20 World Cup in West Indies. That too after the lack of this Pakistan cricket team’s intent with the bat was exposed time and time again under Babar Azam and his outdated tactics
 
Shafi said:
If I am the boss I will ban whole team including Shaheen, Rizwan along with Babar. All these players are just play for money. They don't have any obligation to win match. These players play for fun.
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That may be a bit harsh. However as Ganguly mentioned in his interview.... You need to be playing FC cricket i.e over 4-5 days...be bowling and batting long periods to develop the talent.

In T20 its just 4 overs each bowler and the added advantage that batters play riskier from over no 1, sometimes gifting wickets to easy balls which in FC they would have left alone and not given the bowler a wicket.

Similarly for batters, the art of building an inning, surviving a good spell and then capitalizing once bowler is tired is important.

Virat Kohli 82 against Pakistan in T20 world cup was an example...He and Hardik tackled the excellent spell of bowling initially and then capitalized on weaker bowlers. For me it was classic display of game awareness ( picked up from playing a lot of FC) and then applying the T20 skills and pressure handling mindset learned from IPL once the main bowlers were taken off.
 
Rana said:
Well, the PCB better know something that we don’t.

Anyone from that management company should not be put into a power of position. Also, they better openly tell us that they are banking on the Riz/Bar opening partnership to win us the T20 World Cup in West Indies. That too after the lack of this Pakistan cricket team’s intent with the bat was exposed time and time again under Babar Azam and his outdated tactics
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Yeah, I would have loved to see how they achieve that by scoring 40 in pp with 160 in mind maintaining outstanding 120 s/r when the rest of the world goes for 200+ score mindset in every match. They better pray as always a selfless idiot like Fakhar, Haris or Asif is available to save them from embarrassment by playing out of their skin. Because that's been the formula since Misbah began this farce three years earlier. The buddies can plod around & maintain their ever so important ranking & precious average whereas the rest of the guys need to either go for the kill or get perished from the team altogether.
 
but its important for babar not to listen their team mates and just resign, that's how he can get his rythm back as a batsman because we have already seen that he can't handle pressure at all.
 
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