[REPORT] BCCI to break away from ICC if 2021 CT, 2023 WC hosting rights taken away

[BlackShadow]

I think Formula 1 too moved out of India because of a similar reason. If tax exemption is the norm for big events, then India shouldn't act any different.

 

[Convict]

Any idea if 2015 WC was tax free?

It would have been.

Its all about leverage, "you tax us, we move out" . Big business do it everywhere. But in this case ICC cannot afford to lose the Indian market. BCCI can create its own league without help from ICC. SL, Zimbabwe, NZ, WI cannot survive without an India series. A world cup without India would generate less than half the revenue. (remember the disaster that was 2007 WC)

I understand perfectly well. Just basically saying that I believe the Indian government is right to be doing this.

 

[indipper]

Its all about leverage, "you tax us, we move out" . Big business do it everywhere. But in this case ICC cannot afford to lose the Indian market. BCCI can create its own league without help from ICC. SL, Zimbabwe, NZ, WI cannot survive without an India series. A world cup without India would generate less than half the revenue. (remember the disaster that was 2007 WC)

Tough. But not impossible. In longer run BCCI wont be able to survive without ICC. Its mickey mouse leagues and nations will loose interest soon. ICC has survived on 25 percent profit. It still can.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Tough. But not impossible. In longer run BCCI wont be able to survive without ICC. Its mickey mouse leagues and nations will loose interest soon. ICC has survived on 25 percent profit. It still can.

Its not about ICC surviving, its the member nations. As of now some nations are having serious financial crisis and it will only get worse if ICC gets hit hard. Many players would go rebel and join IPL and/or play various other leagues and give up on national duties. Those who think for players representing a nation for pride is bigger deal than playing leagues and securing financial needs are seriously deluded.

Interesting times ahead, If BCCI do breaks away then Im down with year long IPL and seldom overseas games for overseas Indians.

 

[indipper]

Its not about ICC surviving, its the member nations. As of now some nations are having serious financial crisis and it will only get worse if ICC gets hit hard. Many players would go rebel and join IPL and/or play various other leagues and give up on national duties. Those who think for players representing a nation for pride is bigger deal than playing leagues and securing financial needs are seriously deluded.

Interesting times ahead, If BCCI do breaks away then Im down with year long IPL and seldom overseas games for overseas Indians.

You are down. Not everyone else will be. People will stop seeing IPL since no concept of international players will exist. It will be glorified domestic tourney.


Sure. Nations will suffer. But who world united will break BCCIs arrogance if needed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are down. Not everyone else will be. People will stop seeing IPL since no concept of international players will exist. It will be glorified domestic tourney.


Sure. Nations will suffer. But who world united will break BCCIs arrogance if needed.

Will any nation allow its team to boycott a tour of india? Leave aside the financial effects, a sporting boycott of a nation by another has huge political and diplomatic ramifications. Which country will be willing to do so?

All this for what? So that Shashank Manohar can save his chair?

 

[CanadianG00se]

You are down. Not everyone else will be. People will stop seeing IPL since no concept of international players will exist. It will be glorified domestic tourney.


Sure. Nations will suffer. But who world united will break BCCIs arrogance if needed.

Many Indian fans will follow IPL and it will continue to grow. Those who thinks otherwise have no idea about Indian market.

 

[Lefthanded]

The indian govt will ban icc. No indian sponsors no telecast in india. Moreover hardly any country will support a sporting boycott of India, that has huge diplomatic repurrcussions beyond ICC.

That's practically banning international cricket in the country, and destroying the game. Not sure how popular that decision would be even in India, but you're in a better position to speculate.

80% of the foreign players would prefer playing for "unrecognized cricketing body" than playing for their national team.

That is a horrific possibility.

 

[Gubol123]

I really don't understand why would India want to host these tournaments.. India can always make more money with IPL and Indian home season.. Tri/Quad/Penta tournament will earn more for India than the portion that they will get as part of ICC tournament. And it is not like India will not get any money when these tournaments happen somewhere else.. India has already hosted all these ICC tournaments... They should let others do it.. BCCI, if they are smart, will not let anyone else milk Indian viewers.. If Indians are willing to spend on the sport, BCCI should be smart enough to get all/most of it..

 

[Gubol123]

You are down. Not everyone else will be. People will stop seeing IPL since no concept of international players will exist. It will be glorified domestic tourney.


Sure. Nations will suffer. But who world united will break BCCIs arrogance if needed.

really? there are already players giving up on FC cricket and taking up LOIs only.. do you think they will not come and play in IPL. Irrespective of what you fantasize, there will never be any dearth of quality international players for IPL. If other boards come in the way, players will not sign the board contract, especially if IPL is ready to provide them with 3 to five years of contract. There are numerous SA players going to ENgland for far less money for few years contract..

 

[Gubol123]

I really don't understand why would India want to host these tournaments.. India can always make more money with IPL and Indian home season.. Tri/Quad/Penta tournament will earn more for India than the portion that they will get as part of ICC tournament. And it is not like India will not get any money when these tournaments happen somewhere else.. India has already hosted all these ICC tournaments... They should let others do it.. BCCI, if they are smart, will not let anyone else milk Indian viewers.. If Indians are willing to spend on the sport, BCCI should be smart enough to get all/most of it..

BCCI should actually be smart and use this opportunity and let ICC plan to move it out of India. Remember every rupee an Indian fan spends on ICC event, will lead to probably 30 paisa revenue to BCCI. Same one rupee spent on Indian home season and IPL will lead to full one rupee revenue to BCCI. It is just simple business sense. Even a street vendor knows that sharing the footpath with another vendor means his revenues will be hit..

This doesn't mean India should walk away from Intl matches.. It should only concentrate on Intl cricket where it has full control and has opportunity to make the most revenue, which would be IPL and Home cricket. why let ICC get all the revenue and then fight for a share when you can have it all?

 

[Gubol123]

The ICC should take the $70 million from the ICC BCCI share and give to the PCB, next they should be strict with the BCCI with regards to the ICC events in India. Must take the fight to the BCCI and other boards should follow suit.

if only delusions were riches, lot of lunatics would be billionaires

 

[Gubol123]

As I wrote last year, when Manohar moved from the BCCI to the ICC he took with him the information that BCCI spending is so out of control that the BCCI is insolvent without ICC welfare handouts.

The BCCI backed down on the Big Three model, but they still seem not to understand that the other Boards now very clearly understand that the BCCI is an economic basket case.

as i said, if being delusional would lead to riches, lots of these posters would be billionaires

 

[Gubol123]

That's what all governing bodies do ... they want tax exemption everywhere they go. FIFA is one prime example.

FIFA has lots of leverage. They have many countries wanting to host WC. In cricket there are only few countries who cna do it, India, Australia, England and SA.. None of the other countries have the infrastructure to host it on their own. No one will go near Pakistan for at least few more years which means in SC only BD and SL have to team and even then they don't have the infra. Whoever hosts have to ensure it is in a timezone compatible with India which leaves very few options

 

[Gubol123]

Yeah but I'd argue that they shouldn't get it.

No profit making body should get any tax exemption unless they are investing that money back in the grassroots.. ICC will take any profits out of host country (whichever it is) and distribute it among other countries.. Basically the host country, which is providing the tax cut is subsidizing the other countries revenues. Remember when the other countries show profits on this revenue in their home country they need to pay tax.. So basically host country sent out bunch of cash out of their country so that other countries can tax it. When the host country is India, the irony would be that they would be subsidizing a bunch of first world countries when India itself are poor..

One argument for providing the tax benefit is that the event adds to local economy. My point is the host country can organize other tournaments which will add to the local economy and neither the govt nor the host board will have to suffer

 

[English August]

BCCI should actually be smart and use this opportunity and let ICC plan to move it out of India. Remember every rupee an Indian fan spends on ICC event, will lead to probably 30 paisa revenue to BCCI. Same one rupee spent on Indian home season and IPL will lead to full one rupee revenue to BCCI. It is just simple business sense. Even a street vendor knows that sharing the footpath with another vendor means his revenues will be hit..

This doesn't mean India should walk away from Intl matches.. It should only concentrate on Intl cricket where it has full control and has opportunity to make the most revenue, which would be IPL and Home cricket. why let ICC get all the revenue and then fight for a share when you can have it all?

Very well said.

There was a time when it made sense to provide tax break to cricket events in India. The sport was still expanding and India was still on the way to become the economic powerhouse of the world of cricket. Now that the twin objectives have been met, there is no reason to treat cricket as a "growing economy". GOI should provide tax breaks to other emerging sports likes hockey, badminton etc. and let cricket fend for itself. It's wildly successful anyway and should be treated on par with other commercial enterprises like regular business, entertainment / cinema, etc.

 

[rhony]

really? there are already players giving up on FC cricket and taking up LOIs only.. do you think they will not come and play in IPL. Irrespective of what you fantasize, there will never be any dearth of quality international players for IPL. If other boards come in the way, players will not sign the board contract, especially if IPL is ready to provide them with 3 to five years of contract. There are numerous SA players going to ENgland for far less money for few years contract..

Agree. Loyalty to country is over rated. BCCI provides the most revenue to ICC. Also, the sponsorships of Indian companies is invaluable. There will just be a few marquee series like the Ashes and there won't be enough money for other teams. IPL already has 3 years contracts and if they extend the tournament and increase the contract duration, a lot of people will jump ship.

 

[MenInG]

With Eye On 2021 T20 World Cup Preparation, India To Host New Zealand

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) held its Apex Council Meeting on Sunday in which the board decided to take a call on the domestic season after further discussions with state units. New Zealand will tour India as part of preparations for the 2021 WT20. Speaking to ANI, sources present in the meeting said that while a final call is yet to be taken on the hosting of Ranji Trophy or the Vijay Hazare trophy, it was announced that New Zealand will tour India with an eye on the T20 WC.

"We are yet to take a final call on the domestic season and we have to see if we will have the Ranji Trophy or the 50-over format. The state associations did show keen interest to have the Vijay Hazare, so a call will be taken soon. The bubble system shall remain the same as is being used in the Mushtaq Ali Trophy," the source said.

Asked about the plan to host New Zealand, the source said it was part of India's plan to prepare for the T20 World Cup. "The venues and detailing will be done in some time. But the idea is to play maximum T20 games with an eye on the T20 World Cup. It will help the boys prepare," the source pointed.

The other major items on the agenda were discussion on tax solution for ICC T20 World Cup; discussion on the NCA project; hiring of personnel for NCA, Bengaluru and for BCCI headquarters at Mumbai; discussion on matters related to ICC's 2023-2031 cycle; update on Bihar Cricket Association.

The ICC cycle 2023-2031 holds a lot of interest as the BCCI is also looking to extend the IPL to a 10-team affair and that will see them needing a bigger window.

The tax issue was earlier also discussed in the BCCI Annual General Meeting on December 24 and it was decided that secretary Jay Shah and treasurer Arun Dhumal would speak to the government to find a way forward in the matter.

"We are set to host the 2021 T20 World Cup as well as the 50-over World Cup in 2023. We need to speak to the government to see if we can get tax exemption and for this, we have decided that our secretary Jay Shah and treasurer Arun Dhumal will speak to the government.

"If the government does not agree, we will then decide on how to go about it. We also have the 2016 World T20 matter pending, so that will also have to be worked out," a member who attended the meeting had said.

The idea remains the same. As for the NCA, hiring will start as the BCCI looks to restart the zonal camps and all grassroots activities in the post-coronavirus era.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/ind...2021-t20-world-cup-preparation-report-2353915

 

[cricket4all]

Say for example, In the football World Cup say most multinational companies are mainly based in USA or China then should these 2 control FIFA and hold them to ransom?

Doesn’t matter what income what not BCCI and India bring, sports governing bodies like the ICC should always be independent in terms of control and influence by any 1 country. Otherwise what’s the point of the ICC, may as well just let the BCCI ‘govern’ or ‘bully’ the cricket world openly.

 

[cricket4all]

Companies benefit from sponsorship regardless which country they are based. Just because benefiting sponsors are based in ones country should not mean they have more rights or control.

I have always found this argument ludicrous that as there is more revenue due to Indian sponsorship companies or just population number then they have more rights. Ludicrous

 

[Napa]

Say for example, In the football World Cup say most multinational companies are mainly based in USA or China then should these 2 control FIFA and hold them to ransom?

Doesn’t matter what income what not BCCI and India bring, sports governing bodies like the ICC should always be independent in terms of control and influence by any 1 country. Otherwise what’s the point of the ICC, may as well just let the BCCI ‘govern’ or ‘bully’ the cricket world openly.

The multinational companies are not based in India.

The majority of the audience is based in India, big difference. The audience for FIFA WC is not similarly concentrated in the US or China.

 

[cricket4all]

The multinational companies are not based in India.

The majority of the audience is based in India, big difference. The audience for FIFA WC is not similarly concentrated in the US or China.

I knew it’s not it’s a hypothetical example. You miss the point as wherever the audience is large, or whoever came up with the majority of the rules for the modern games should not then end up with more power. I don’t see it in football. All governing bodies should be fair to all with the aim of promoting and spreading the sport.

 

[cricket4all]

It’s a win win situation for India though. They control the sport because of money, they benefit financially and put that money in to improve their players and structure. You might as well forget the rest of the world as everyone owes them for the money. BTW they never paid Pakistan their dues to them for 1996 World Cup.

 

[Itachi]

Companies benefit from sponsorship regardless which country they are based. Just because benefiting sponsors are based in ones country should not mean they have more rights or control.

I have always found this argument ludicrous that as there is more revenue due to Indian sponsorship companies or just population number then they have more rights. Ludicrous

India doesnt have more rights. Others bend down in front of India to benefit themselves.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s a win win situation for India though. They control the sport because of money, they benefit financially and put that money in to improve their players and structure. You might as well forget the rest of the world as everyone owes them for the money. BTW they never paid Pakistan their dues to them for 1996 World Cup.

India only with held the amount that was required by law. Though Bcci tried to even get that amount by claiming that foreign boards playing in India cant be taxed, they ultimately lost the case.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...x-at-source-for-payments-supreme-court/351745

 

[Titan24]

Doesn’t matter what income what not BCCI and India bring, sports governing bodies like the ICC should always be independent in terms of control and influence by any 1 country.

Agreed and have said it many times that ICC is one of the most unprofessional sporting bodies around.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/icc-board-meet-bcci-opposes-icc-s-eoi-policy-for-global-meets-101614352100413.html

The Indian cricket board has expressed its reservations about ICC's policy of inviting bidders (Expression of Interest) for hosting global tournaments during the next eight-year cycle between 2023-2031.

During an ICC board meet on Thursday, the BCCI made it clear that they are completely against the idea of the global body issuing EOI and demanding money from any potential hosting nation.

"The BCCI brass has made their displeasure clear about this EOI concept for the next cycle during yesterday's board meet," a senior BCCI official privy to the development, said.

"In fact, we are confident of getting good support from England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) and Cricket Australia (CA)."

The Expression of Interest concept has blessings of ICC Chief Executive Manu Sawhney who had the support of boards like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

"Even some of the smaller boards like Oman and Emirates Cricket board along with Malaysia and Singapore are among those who have submitted combined EOI for hosting global meets," the source said.It is believed that there has been around 93 Expressions of Interest for 28 flagship events (men, women and U19) during the 2023-31 cycle but this push to demand money for awarding hosting rights have met a roadblock from world's richest board which in principle is against such a policy.

It is also learnt that till now some of the influential boards are not ready with ICC's plan to have one flagship event in each of the eight years during the next cycle.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

If BCCI breaks away it is a best case scenario for Pakistan. It will become the biggest market and SENA teams will line up to play with them.