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[Report] Kamran Akmal out, Umar Akmal in for Pakistan's ICC Champions Trophy squad

TalhaSyed said:
Can you please give me a few names of 'Talented Players' whom Inzi should give a chance to? :)

Also - can you please tell me who who has selected 'talented players' such as Hasan Ali, Imad Wasim, Babar Azam, Fakhar Zaman, Shadab Khan and Ashraf/Yamin over the last year or so?
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As expected, you couldn't come up with an argument to defend the ridiculous selection of Umar and Azhar.

I'll just quote [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

So Naveed Malik, Ali Khan, Sohail Khan, Asif Afridi and now 19 years old Nabi Gul is a new entry. He hit 5 sixes in one innings vs Durham.


Kamran Ghulam and Hussain Tallat can both develop into one. Amad is also work in progress.


Shelf isn't empty. Eye Needed.
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All the names you named were either selected by previous selectors or they just forced their way into the team by excellent performances in PSL and domestic cricket, they served it on a plate for Inzi to select them. Inzi has done a lot of mistakes. Like persisting with Tanvir, Hafeez, Umar, Azhar, Wahab etc. Instead of giving more chances to youth and better players. Sohail Khan was ignored unfairly when he became the top wicket taker of PSL, he is ideal in ODIs as well because of his hitting ability, also his bowling is more suitable for limited overs cricket, but no, the politics and unfairness prevails always in PCB. Zakir and Fahim didn't deserve to be selected for ODI in the last series both are mediocre ODI players, but in Inzi's book they deserve it. I can make a huge list of the mistakes by Mickey and Inzi, but it is useless I guess you refuse to see the light.
 
I hope a revolution occurs in Inzi's mind and he rejects Azhar for Amin or Haris.
 
Citizen4 said:
As expected, you couldn't come up with an argument to defend the ridiculous selection of Umar and Azhar.

I'll just quote [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

All the names you named were either selected by previous selectors or they just forced their way into the team by excellent performances in PSL and domestic cricket, they served it on a plate for Inzi to select them. Inzi has done a lot of mistakes. Like persisting with Tanvir, Hafeez, Umar, Azhar, Wahab etc. Instead of giving more chances to youth and better players. Sohail Khan was ignored unfairly when he became the top wicket taker of PSL, he is ideal in ODIs as well because of his hitting ability, also his bowling is more suitable for limited overs cricket, but no, the politics and unfairness prevails always in PCB. Zakir and Fahim didn't deserve to be selected for ODI in the last series both are mediocre ODI players, but in Inzi's book they deserve it. I can make a huge list of the mistakes by Mickey and Inzi, but it is useless I guess you refuse to see the light.
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As expected - you didn't read my original post where I already said Umar was a debatable selection and discussed the selection of Umar and Azhar.

:)) :)) ah I love the hypocrisy.

Yes the youngsters who were or have been selected on a consisted basis are their because of good performances and have nothing to do with the selectors. The youngsters who aren't there - that's the selectors fault!

I like this new selection criteria of hitting 5 6's against Durham :))
 
The problem is that Kamran can't run for his life. And he is not good enough to cover this with his batting.

But opening remains a worry. Ahmad Shehzad is not good either. So, i might go for this batting line up.

Ahmad
Babar
Hafeez
Mailk
Umar
Sarfraz
Imad
Shadab/ A medium pacer preferably an allrounder if pitch is condusive for seamers
Amir
Hasan Ali
Junaid/Wahab
 
Glad to hear that Kamran has been dropped. I sense that his international career is coming to an end. Would have liked to see Asad Shafiq in there. Generally it is a predictable squad.
 
I'd open with Hussain Talat and use Haris Sohail in middle order

Hussain Talat
Ahmed Shehzad
Babar Azam
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Haris Sohail
Shoaib Malik
Shadab Khan
Imad (whites) / Yameen (India/S.Lanka)
Sohail Khan
Hasan Ali
M.Amir
 
No hafeez, kamran, umar, azhar and shafiq. These guys are not cut out for modern ODI cricket.
 
Syed1 said:
I hope CT is the last series of Inzi as chief selector. He needs to fired ASAP. Worst selector in our history.
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I have yet to see a good selector for Pakistan, sacking coaches and selectors hasn't changed anything in the past and I doubt it will change anything going forward.

We need to get rid of the problems higher up in the hierarchy and then everything improve our grass root levels, only then will we see improvement in our side.

If you ask our selectors why they keeping picking ttf's they'll respond that there is no one better and to an extent they are right. The people dominating domestic are exposed when they play at the international level and rightly so our structure is just terrible. That's not to say there is no talent in Pakistan there is just no development system.

So back to you, your a smart poster do you really think chopping and changing selectors will change anything?
 
Doesn't make sense to keep Shehzad but drop Kami. They both were poor but atleast Kami showed some intent with the bat. Inzi is going around in circles now bringing Azhar back lol
 
Boi said:
Doesn't make sense to keep Shehzad but drop Kami. They both were poor but atleast Kami showed some intent with the bat. Inzi is going around in circles now bringing Azhar back lol
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That's the issue Mickey's love with age...
 
Boi said:
Doesn't make sense to keep Shehzad but drop Kami. They both were poor but atleast Kami showed some intent with the bat. Inzi is going around in circles now bringing Azhar back lol
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exactly. We need to back intent not selfish scores.
 
Pathetic squad. How on earth can you have Shehzad, Azhar, Hafeez together in the same team? Fakhar is another dud who bats like a tailender. We can never progress in LOIs with this type of outdated approach. First round exit is definitely on the cards.
 
QalandarFan said:
I have yet to see a good selector for Pakistan, sacking coaches and selectors hasn't changed anything in the past and I doubt it will change anything going forward.

We need to get rid of the problems higher up in the hierarchy and then everything improve our grass root levels, only then will we see improvement in our side.

If you ask our selectors why they keeping picking ttf's they'll respond that there is no one better and to an extent they are right. The people dominating domestic are exposed when they play at the international level and rightly so our structure is just terrible. That's not to say there is no talent in Pakistan there is just no development system.

So back to you, your a smart poster do you really think chopping and changing selectors will change anything?
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A selector who complains that there is no else right before their nose should be fired post haste. Their job
is to look beyond their nose, to find new talent. This will always entail a trial and error process in which
some selections will fail. But it is simply not true that every domestic performer is 'exposed' in the
international arena. Shadab, Babar, Yasir, Hasan Ali, Imad Wasim, Sharjeel, these are all players who have
merited their selection in recent years.
 
Inzi's team selections are getting worse by the day. He needs to retire and go back to running his meat shop (those who do not know Inzi runs a butcher shop for rich people called Meat One in Karachi and other places)

I hope we probably see something like this

Hafeez (hate that he is there, but Inzi is never going to drop him)
Fakhar (no other options)
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Malik
Yamin/Imad
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Sohail/Junaid
 
Inzy should go fly out and bat himself. He'd probably still do a better job than Hafeez, Shehzad etc.
 
Markhor said:
Inzy should go fly out and bat himself. He'd probably still do a better job than Hafeez, Shehzad etc.
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Am boycotting Ind v Pak at Edgbaston :mv no reason for me to go there with such a terrible line up, our students of the game should have learned from the 2013 CT but Inzi the Revolutionary with some right howlers.
 
Syed1 said:
Inzi's team selections are getting worse by the day. He needs to retire and go back to running his meat shop (those who do not know Inzi runs a butcher shop for rich people called Meat One in Karachi and other places)

I hope we probably see something like this

Hafeez (hate that he is there, but Inzi is never going to drop him)
Fakhar (no other options)
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Malik
Yamin/Imad
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Sohail/Junaid
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Inzamam's problems are not about abilities. Anyone can select and choose new players instead of current bunch of TTFs. Unfortunately he is as corrupt and dishonest similar to PCB officials.
 
Even though the preliminary squad for the CT is mix of TTF. Now that it is announced, and of the options available, with the conditions in England in mind, my playing 11 would be the following.

1. Mohammed Hafeez
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Shoaib Malik
5. Umar Akmal
6. Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)/Captain
7. Amir Yamin
8. Shadab Khan
9. Mohammed Amir
10. Hasan Ali
11. Junaid Khan

7 bowling options which includes 3 pacers, 1 seam All rounder, 3 spinners and bat deep until 8.
 
Pakistan biggest delimma is that most of the players specially seniors are fighting for place or have not earned the spot.

Other than Babar, Amir, Hasan, Shadab (noticed all of them are year or so with the team), everybody is questionable or not really fit for ODI team.

Hafeez/Shezad/Azhar, whichever two they picked would be worsed opening combination in the CT, that team can only make 260/280, rest of world would be going for 330/350...

But you cannot blame Inzi only, tournament is starting in 2 months, he cannot send 4 new batsman. He has to recycle seniors, time for try big youngesters was WI series. Sharjeel' loss was big one, there is no alternative of him.
 
When are they going to announce the squad??? Any news?? [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
No official announcement of the squad and all hell is breaking loose on PP
 
Shehzhad and Azhar Ali opening in ODIS? world record for most number of dot balls consumed will be broken :facepalm:
 
If it has to be an akmal in the team, my vote goes for kamran. He has way sensible head as compare to his brother.
 
Shehzad
Kamran
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Umar Akmal
Imad
Shadab
Sohail
Amir
Hasan Ali

Hafeez
Haris Sohail
Wahab
Yamin/Fahim
Nawaz
 
Amin, Iftikhar & Akmal junior are competing for a place. Probably Asif will make way.

Don't know why Haris isn't in the mix. Should be.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Amin, Iftikhar & Akmal junior are competing for a place. Probably Asif will make way.

Don't know why Haris isn't in the mix. Should be.
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This is from any reliable source?

Will be great if Amin comes in, Haris Sohail should also be there though.
 
Syed1 said:
Iftikhaar :facepalm:


Akmal jr :facepalm: :facepalm:


No Haris Sohail :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Well it's what they reported. Asif should be replaced by Haris or Amin. Haris will be in reckoning if He has passed fitness Test. Whole his life He & Maqsood have mostly failed fitness Tests.
 
We don't have anyone in Pakistan who can play shots upfront bar Kamran. He should be persisted with for CT
 
hur rizvi said:
We don't have anyone in Pakistan who can play shots upfront bar Kamran. He should be persisted with for CT
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it remains to be seen which of the useless openers from windies will be dropped. I cant blv anyone will sign off a batting line up with azhar and shehzad opening.
 
Amin's inclusion should be delayed till the end of the season, if he manages to build upon the promise shown in the first season. Selecting him for CT will be premature, and a recipe for disaster. Fakhar, Haris and Amir Yamin are ready and must be included in the squad. Amir for Fahim, Haris for Asif.
 
asfandyar said:
Amin's inclusion should be delayed till the end of the season, if he manages to build upon the promise shown in the first season. Selecting him for CT will be premature, and a recipe for disaster. Fakhar, Haris and Amir Yamin are ready and must be included in the squad. Amir for Fahim, Haris for Asif.
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agree in parts:
amin no
yamin yes
fakhar yes
haris no (you have to be consistent with your logic, the same reasons for amin's exclusion apply for haris as well)
 
Fakhar
Sarfraz
Babar
Haris
Shoaib
Umar Akmal
Imad
Yamin/Shadab
Wahab/Sohail
Amir
Hasan

Shadab/Yamin
Sohail/Wahab
Hafeez
Maqsood/Talat/Khushdil/Nabi Gul/ any number 6 hard hitter who is capable of managing 35+ average at 100+ SR
 
Pete Rose said:
it remains to be seen which of the useless openers from windies will be dropped. I cant blv anyone will sign off a batting line up with azhar and shehzad opening.
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Iftikhar Ahmed is very fit, hardworker, determined, focussed Cricketer but He is a limited batsman who struggles against pace and thrives against spinners. He is a Misbah type batsman. We don’t need him in our Odi lineup.
 
Pete Rose said:
agree in parts:
amin no
yamin yes
fakhar yes
haris no (you have to be consistent with your logic, the same reasons for amin's exclusion apply for haris as well)
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Haris is a proven performer. It was just a matter of being match fit. Amin is a proven bottler who has had a purple patch over the last few games. So it was a matter of not ruling the former out and ruling the latter in, and I can't fathom how these two logics lie on the same axis.
 
It's 24th April, 8:32PM in PAK now, I believe - WHEN INZI IS GOING TO NAME HIS SQUAD?
 
asfandyar said:
Haris is a proven performer. It was just a matter of being match fit. Amin is a proven bottler who has had a purple patch over the last few games. So it was a matter of not ruling the former out and ruling the latter in, and I can't fathom how these two logics lie on the same axis.
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what's there to fathom, one guy is barely half way though his first season from injury..... not difficult to see why thats an issue.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Iftikhar Ahmed is very fit, hardworker, determined, focussed Cricketer but He is a limited batsman who struggles against pace and thrives against spinners. He is a Misbah type batsman. We don’t need him in our Odi lineup.
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i think his strike rate is better than misbah's. and if i have to grade on a curve he has a better case than akmal and shezhad (both averaged around 25 vs, west windies at opposing strike rates).
 
Pete Rose said:
what's there to fathom, one guy is barely half way though his first season from injury..... not difficult to see why thats an issue.
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That's what fitness tests are for. The PCB has been keen on including Haris in any domestic or international tournaments (u23) they can find and thus far, Haris has not given away to the injury. You can obviously play safe, and give him 10 more seasons to recover, but what guarantee do we have that his injury will not regress when playing in the domestic tournaments? I think he has sufficiently proven his match fitness (which takes less time), compared to Umar Amin who has to prove he has actually turned over a new leaf in terms of cricketing acumen instead of a temporary spike in performance. Comparing apples with oranges if you put the criteria of their selection in the same basket.
 
asfandyar said:
That's what fitness tests are for. The PCB has been keen on including Haris in any domestic or international tournaments (u23) they can find and thus far, Haris has not given away to the injury. You can obviously play safe, and give him 10 more seasons to recover, but what guarantee do we have that his injury will not regress when playing in the domestic tournaments? I think he has sufficiently proven his match fitness (which takes less time), compared to Umar Amin who has to prove he has actually turned over a new leaf in terms of cricketing acumen instead of a temporary spike in performance. Comparing apples with oranges if you put the criteria of their selection in the same basket.
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Fitness tests are very different for folks returning from injury. Because paramount for those ppl conducting the test is to ensure player does not break down again. If he misses the ct selection it will help him long term.
 
Squad hum sabse baadmai elaan kartay hain aur tournament main sabse pehlay bahir hotay hain

Thanks to TTFs like Kami
 
Inzamam, meanwhile, revealed that the
selection committee is planning to observe the players in a few more matches of the ongoing domestic one-day tournament, the Pakistan Cup, before announcing the final squad for the Champions Trophy.
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Preliminary squad:

Ahmed Shehzad, Mohammad Hafeez, Fakhar Zaman, Azhar Ali, Babar Azam, Shoaib Malik, Umar Akmal, Sarfraz Ahmed (captain), Fahim Ashraf/Aamir Yamin, Mohammad Amir, Hasan Ali, Wahab Riaz,, Junaid Khan, Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan.
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Doesn't make any sense with the preliminary squad.

The top performers and the century makers are Umar Amin, Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam... who are they want to observe... even Aamer Yamin who helped to win two matches is added as optional for a swap with Ashraf...

Azhar ali is not playing. UA was terrible in the first match got a half century after a plumb LBW not given.. Shehzad failed in all three ODIs played... Wahab riaz got spanked in the only ODI he played..

Wahab riaz record for the last two years since the CWC 2015 is horrible, and his name is there in the preliminary squad who can only bowl truck load of short balls..

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...5;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

and in the last one year

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling
 
Pete Rose said:
i think his strike rate is better than misbah's. and if i have to grade on a curve he has a better case than akmal and shezhad (both averaged around 25 vs, west windies at opposing strike rates).
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His Strike rate in Int Cricket will be 15-20 points lower than his domestic Strike Rate provided he averages more than 30.


There is a huge gap between domestic and International Cricket wrt Pakistan.
 
Today is the last day...What is inzi doing??? They should announce the squad....
Any news or update [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] ???????????????
 
Unbelievable that we have to wait till the last minute on the last day. If you are looking at Pakistan Cup performance the following changes should be made from the side that played the windies. Asif Zakir, Fahim Ashraf, Wahab, Kakmal, M. Asghar out, Haris, Umer Amin, Aamir Yamin, sohail khan, Zafar Gohar in.
 
This should be the playing eleven.
1 Azhar.
2 Shehzad.
3 Babar.
4 Malik.
5 Sarfaraz.
6 Yamin.
7 Shadab.
8 Imad.
9 Amir.
10 Wahab.
11 Hassan.
 
very disappointing squad.

no sense in selecting the squad..
changing aggressive opener with defensive opener.
no sohail khan. he can add alot to the team in England.
Asif zakir out even without playing a game
fahim ashraf should be there but squad i think yamin deserved it more.

Now here we can see the inconsistency in approach. one player kept and other left out both not getting any exposure. if they put zakir out than fahim should have been out because surely yamin has outperformed him in premium odi tournament.
 
You can only play one of Azhar or Shehzad, you CANNOT play both.
 
Pakistan still living with the TTF's

What does Azhar, Kamran, Hafeez, Umar, Shehzad and Wahab has, to offer.

That's 6 out of 15.

In an ideal world, this should be the line up.

Fakhar(I don't see him as an international material. He deserves a go, though.)
Hafeez(Unstoppable. Also adds bowling option. Throw him once Sharjeel returns)
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Malik
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid

Post CT

Sharjeel
Haris
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Tallat
Imad
Shadab
Amir
Hassan
Junaid
 
Hasan123 said:
Is the squad ever going to be announced?
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less than an hour till the deadline is up

Either the PCB have requested an extension or they have submitted it and not announced publically.

Or they have just been tardy which is completely possible.
 
I have a feeling PCB has requested an extension so that Inzy can discuss his selections with Mickey once the ongoing test match concludes.

Or at least thats what I'm hoping...
 
MeanAndGreen said:
I have a feeling PCB has requested an extension so that Inzy can discuss his selections with Mickey once the ongoing test match concludes.

Or at least thats what I'm hoping...
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they have to say that like BCCI, applied for an extension... how long is the extension?
 
What's taking so long in announcing the team? Wasn't the deadline today?

I understand India is having some issues with ICC that is why they didn't announce yet, but what is holding us back?
 
Syed1 said:
What's taking so long in announcing the team? Wasn't the deadline today?

I understand India is having some issues with ICC that is why they didn't announce yet, but what is holding us back?
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We don't care about the deadline. :shkhan
 
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