[REPORT] PCB unhappy with Misbah-ul-Haq and Azhar Ali for meeting with PM Imran Khan

[shaz619]

Most of them were under contract, the PCB could have stopped them from organising and attending this meeting.

For the PCB to now suggest they didn't know what was going to be discussed is rather naive.

Fair point, with that in mind then maybe this bizarre scenario was like PCB trying to cover themselves after their guys stupidly stood before the PM of Pakistan and made fools out of themselves and the board whilst also annoying the PM.

 

[UP]

They should be thrown out of the contract for wearing trash in front of the PM.

Have some sense of the occasion.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

They should be thrown out of the contract for wearing trash in front of the PM.

Have some sense of the occasion.

I think the worst is Hafeez.

I mean, Jeans ??? Seriously?

And with those shoes, he seems more like promoting LGBT rather than hopelessly trying to be an influence on the domestic cricket policy making in the country.

 

[Junaids]

Misbah took Pakistan to the no.1 ranking in Tests and also beat the West Indies at home in a Test Series, Imran Khan failed to do both though Junaids

Well, you can argue that two ways!

Firstly, the coach who took Pakistan to Test Number 1 was...….Mickey Arthur.

Secondly, it was a completely bogus ranking anyway, "earned" by the fact that from February 2013 to July 2016 they had not played a single Test in Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa. Pakistan were basically the "World Champions of Asia".

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Misbah took Pakistan to the no.1 ranking in Tests and also beat the West Indies at home in a Test Series, Imran Khan failed to do both though Junaids

Do you know where Mishah took Pakistan's ranking in Test before he left the cricket team?

 

[Junaids]

All a bit weird this.

Surely PCB knew of the meeting.
Surely PCB knew what would be discussed.
To go to the PM when you have just come back from England after a very average tour was suicidal. I can't image the PM had too many kind words to say to his visitors.

Do you not think that the PCB gave this a nod and a wink to allow Misbah and Azhar to destroy themselves with Imran Khan?

It's no secret that Wasim Khan is going greyer by the day with Misbah running the team into the ground, throwing out every player aged 21-29 apart from Babar and Rizwan and carrying around the Grandpas and Musa Khan everywhere he goes.

But Misbah has Imran's patronage. Which means that Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani are stuck with Misbah, and by extension Azhar.

So if Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani can get Misbah and Azhar to cut their own throats with Imran, all the better.

I would bet my house that Wasim Khan:

1. Would have liked to keep Mickey Arthur as coach, or at least have a properly trained and qualified coach, rather than an ultra-conservative ex-captain passed off as "comparable to a coach".

2. Would have Babar as his white ball skipper and Shan Masood as his red ball captain. (And probably has fairly low expectations of Babar's captaincy prospects).

3. Was horrified when he saw Misbah's 29 man squad for England, with 13 guys in their THIRTIES and 5 aged 21 or under. It was a missed once in a lifetime opportunity to incubate promising younger players.

4. Was even more horrified when Misbah nominated Azhar as skipper at an older age than when his contemporaries Alastair Cook and AB De Villiers had retired. He has failed in 8 SENA innings out of 9: I think that Wasim Khan would expect the Chief Selector to choose one geriatric out of Shafiq, Azhar, Fawad and Abid, and to have him as senior batsman without the captaincy so that he could be jettisoned as soon as his batting fails.

I presume that Wasim Khan is rather like you or I: not just an Asianised Pakistani with a reflexive bias in favour of seniority, but rather an Englishman brought up steeped in football and cricket.

@Saj, I'm sure that like me you and Wasim Khan look at how Gareth Southgate got England to a World Cup semi-final. Wayne Rooney was only 32 at the time, but he and everyone else of his generation had been replaced with players in their early to mid-twenties.

It didn't just literally rejuvenate the team, performances improved but also the public was excited - rather like Haider Ali's recent innings was more tantalizing and uplifting than Hafeez's larger innings.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Well, you can argue that two ways!

Firstly, the coach who took Pakistan to Test Number 1 was...….Mickey Arthur.

Secondly, it was a completely bogus ranking anyway, "earned" by the fact that from February 2013 to July 2016 they had not played a single Test in Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa. Pakistan were basically the "World Champions of Asia".

I would also like to add that The match of India against West Indies rained out on 5th day else it would have been India ranked first. Which they rightfully regained after 3 weeks.
Nevertheless number 1 is number 1 even if for 3 weeks .

 

[MMHS]

Well, you can argue that two ways!

Firstly, the coach who took Pakistan to Test Number 1 was...….Mickey Arthur.

Secondly, it was a completely bogus ranking anyway, "earned" by the fact that from February 2013 to July 2016 they had not played a single Test in Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa. Pakistan were basically the "World Champions of Asia".

No, you can’t argue that any other way as the first point is bogus - Mickey Arthur didn’t take PAK to No. ranking with his 3 months mantra. If coach is to be given credit, then it’s Waquar. Ranking position is a summery of three years performance, not three months trailer. In fact, in terms of Test ranking, I am sure Mickey Arthur has lost more points than he has earned. Before or after him, PAK always had been a poor tourist in last 10-12 years, but at least they were winning at home (UAE) which laid the foundation of that ranking raise. This clueless guy lost Test series in UAE to SRL & NZL. If anyone that can be credited for that No. 1 ranking - it’s Misbah, he had been the captain all through that journey.

It’s completely valid ranking because PAK earned it, though one washed out Test in WIN did help. Also, PAK earned that ranking because they were king in Asia and the non Asian teams were begged there - Australia, England, SAF & NZ got their back side whipped in Asia, just opposite to Asian teams away. It’ll be RACIST of you, if you think there is a different class for Test matches in Asia & outside. For PAK, the ranking collapsed after this guy Arthur came because every other team was doing well at home and struggling away - this guy made PAK struggle at home.

 

[Savak]

That number one ranking by Misbah was a fluke which was proven when the team got whitewashed by NZ and Australia and even lost a test against the WI in the UAE

 

[MenInG]

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[Major]

That number one ranking by Misbah was a fluke which was proven when the team got whitewashed by NZ and Australia and even lost a test against the WI in the UAE

First decide upon what you want to critisize. The thread would be about oramges and you talk about apple.

You end up showing your biasness

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No, you can’t argue that any other way as the first point is bogus - Mickey Arthur didn’t take PAK to No. ranking with his 3 months mantra. If coach is to be given credit, then it’s Waquar. Ranking position is a summery of three years performance, not three months trailer. In fact, in terms of Test ranking, I am sure Mickey Arthur has lost more points than he has earned. Before or after him, PAK always had been a poor tourist in last 10-12 years, but at least they were winning at home (UAE) which laid the foundation of that ranking raise. This clueless guy lost Test series in UAE to SRL & NZL. If anyone that can be credited for that No. 1 ranking - it’s Misbah, he had been the captain all through that journey.

It’s completely valid ranking because PAK earned it, though one washed out Test in WIN did help. Also, PAK earned that ranking because they were king in Asia and the non Asian teams were begged there - Australia, England, SAF & NZ got their back side whipped in Asia, just opposite to Asian teams away. It’ll be RACIST of you, if you think there is a different class for Test matches in Asia & outside. For PAK, the ranking collapsed after this guy Arthur came because every other team was doing well at home and struggling away - this guy made PAK struggle at home.

Our Test ranking was at No 7 when Misbah walked away from the team. Should we crown this ranking on Misbah's head too or it's only about rank 1?

 

[Savak]

First decide upon what you want to critisize. The thread would be about oramges and you talk about apple.

You end up showing your biasness

Lol, where is the bias? I am stating facts.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Do you not think that the PCB gave this a nod and a wink to allow Misbah and Azhar to destroy themselves with Imran Khan?

It's no secret that Wasim Khan is going greyer by the day with Misbah running the team into the ground, throwing out every player aged 21-29 apart from Babar and Rizwan and carrying around the Grandpas and Musa Khan everywhere he goes.

But Misbah has Imran's patronage. Which means that Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani are stuck with Misbah, and by extension Azhar.

So if Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani can get Misbah and Azhar to cut their own throats with Imran, all the better.

I would bet my house that Wasim Khan:

1. Would have liked to keep Mickey Arthur as coach, or at least have a properly trained and qualified coach, rather than an ultra-conservative ex-captain passed off as "comparable to a coach".

2. Would have Babar as his white ball skipper and Shan Masood as his red ball captain. (And probably has fairly low expectations of Babar's captaincy prospects).

3. Was horrified when he saw Misbah's 29 man squad for England, with 13 guys in their THIRTIES and 5 aged 21 or under. It was a missed once in a lifetime opportunity to incubate promising younger players.

4. Was even more horrified when Misbah nominated Azhar as skipper at an older age than when his contemporaries Alastair Cook and AB De Villiers had retired. He has failed in 8 SENA innings out of 9: I think that Wasim Khan would expect the Chief Selector to choose one geriatric out of Shafiq, Azhar, Fawad and Abid, and to have him as senior batsman without the captaincy so that he could be jettisoned as soon as his batting fails.

I presume that Wasim Khan is rather like you or I: not just an Asianised Pakistani with a reflexive bias in favour of seniority, but rather an Englishman brought up steeped in football and cricket.

@Saj, I'm sure that like me you and Wasim Khan look at how Gareth Southgate got England to a World Cup semi-final. Wayne Rooney was only 32 at the time, but he and everyone else of his generation had been replaced with players in their early to mid-twenties.

It didn't just literally rejuvenate the team, performances improved but also the public was excited - rather like Haider Ali's recent innings was more tantalizing and uplifting than Hafeez's larger innings.

The underlined.

This may be or may not be true BUT it does not make Wasim Khan any better than the rest of the lot.

If I was Wasim Khan who had ideas and qualification and who TRULY wanted to fix the problems in Pakistan cricket and if this was his TRUE reason to leave UK, then I would've simply put my resignation on the wood.

"If you don't let me do what I am hired for, then you can find someone else."
It's a simple logic.

 

[Savak]

Most of them were under contract, the PCB could have stopped them from organising and attending this meeting.

For the PCB to now suggest they didn't know what was going to be discussed is rather naive.

Apparently the PCB Chairman and CEO were supposed to meet the PM alone. They were taken aback when they were informed by the PM that the players had asked for time as well.

 

[MMHS]

Our Test ranking was at No 7 when Misbah walked away from the team. Should we crown this ranking on Misbah's head too or it's only about rank 1?

Misbah definitely should take the responsibility, as the captain. My point was against the idea that Mickey Arthur with his charisma took PAK to No. 1 in three-four months magic. After Misbah left (I am not sure if PAK indeed was No. 7 or not after winning WIN tour - can’t be, you need to check the stats), PAK went to No. 8 .... into Arthur’s third year as Guru Dronachrya.

Misbah is no saviour of PAK cricket as the team itself isn’t that good overall and there are too many loose ends to tie - but, every time it’s not a good taste to assassinate his character and down play his achievements.

 

[Savak]

Misbah definitely should take the responsibility, as the captain. My point was against the idea that Mickey Arthur with his charisma took PAK to No. 1 in three-four months magic. After Misbah left (I am not sure if PAK indeed was No. 7 or not after winning WIN tour - can’t be, you need to check the stats), PAK went to No. 8 .... into Arthur’s third year as Guru Dronachrya.

Misbah is no saviour of PAK cricket as the team itself isn’t that good overall and there are too many loose ends to tie - but, every time it’s not a good taste to assassinate his character and down play his achievements.

What were his achievements exactly? The guy had the longest reign as captain where many PCB Chairman's bent over and took criticism to keep him on as captain and he left with the team ranking low in all formats. The guy hardly left any quality players either and his two biggest proteges i.e. Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq have been exposed even further

 

[MMHS]

What were his achievements exactly? The guy had the longest reign as captain where many PCB Chairman's bent over and took criticism to keep him on as captain and he left with the team ranking low in all formats. The guy hardly left any quality players either and his two biggest proteges i.e. Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq have been exposed even further

The team was low in ranking in every format, one main reason being (you can take 90% weight on it) that the team was/is just not good enough and that’s been the problem for last 10-12 years. To prove that, I won’t compare with individuals from other teams including Bangladesh to keep this thread decent, but I’ll compare it with PAK itself; read this carefully:

“if I make a PAK all time combined squad of 20 for all three formats .... May be one debuted in last 10 years will make the squad - forget about playing XI. In fact, may be only two players debuting in last 20 years will make the combined 20 men squad. For a country with just about 70 years of history - excluding first 20 years, that’s a massive, massive decline in quality. 18-19 players of those hypothetical 20 is coming from a window of 35 years between mid 70s to early 00s.”

Therefore, that decline was a hygiene factor - put Richi Benaud as Captain without the player’s capacity of Richi Benaud, results/ranking won’t have moved much - I actually believe Misbah punched above weight with that team through his tactics for UAE based cricket.

But, what Misbah achieved was to save the face of PAK cricket for non cricketing issues off the field. I have seen many other PAK team, many greater players .... literally always behind the a$$ of a teammate for a bite; add to that in-fighting, corruptions, drugs, doping, prostitutes, breaking curfews, inside trading ... what not. I have seen PAK greats spending night in Caribbean jail for snorting drugs and chasing cheap women (no dis respect); I have seen Test match being rescheduled .....

This guy Misbah kept PAK team decent for 10 years - that’s his biggest achievement. Those PAK teams in past had the skills and results to back their antics ..... with same attitude & antics, this PAK team with their cricket talent would have been treated like used condoms, to tell it harshly - this guy Misbah managed to preserve the dignity of PAK cricket; though it might not be eye catching.

 

[Saj]

Common sense would dictate that if you were going to meet the Prime-Minister, you have a discussion beforehand about what topics you want to talk about, who is going to say what, which concerns you are going to raise.

 

[Savak]

Common sense would dictate that if you were going to meet the Prime-Minister, you have a discussion beforehand about what topics you want to talk about, who is going to say what, which concerns you are going to raise.

According to the news reports, Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan were originally going to meet the PM alone, they didn't expect the players to be there. They found out from the PM house at the last minute that the players were going to be there as well. However what i find puzzling is that from the pics, you can see that the players were sitting alone with Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Wasim Akram in the lobby prior to the PM coming and surely they could have had a brief discussion on what to discuss, what not to discuss and any contentious issues could have been resolved before hand.

 

[shaz619]

Well, you can argue that two ways!

Firstly, the coach who took Pakistan to Test Number 1 was...….Mickey Arthur.

Secondly, it was a completely bogus ranking anyway, "earned" by the fact that from February 2013 to July 2016 they had not played a single Test in Australia, England, New Zealand or South Africa. Pakistan were basically the "World Champions of Asia".

Misbah ul Haq was the captain who took Pakistan to no.1, Mickey had just joined the team for his first series and gave Waqar / Misbah all the credit, he was paid just for showing up!

Also, Misbah was the first Pakistan Captain in history to win a Test Series in the final frontier; the West Indies! something Imran Khan failed at!

 

[shaz619]

Do you know where Mishah took Pakistan's ranking in Test before he left the cricket team?

I remember him and Younis being carried of the pitch, he scored numerous 90s in that memorable Test series in the West Indies, what a beautiful moment

 

[ExplicitAI]

Going to an ex-legend (who played in a different era with different playing conditions) to ask for advice isn't very helpful going forward. Why on earth would you want to use the 1992 blueprint to help you win matches? Not sure what type of influence the PM has on cricket right now but if he can help our cricket to the point where we can compete with top teams in the MODERN era then that would be very useful.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Also, Misbah was the first Pakistan Captain in history to win a Test Series in the final frontier; the West Indies! something Imran Khan failed at!

lol haha
Dude, you gotta be kidding me.
Till this day, Imran talks about the umpiring standard in that series by the Home WI umpires. And that era, that WI team was the ACTUAL TRUE “FINAL FRONT”.

If Misbah was being put against THAT opposition in their home ground with their umpires, Misbah would’ve had a heart attack.

 

[Junaids]

Misbah ul Haq was the captain who took Pakistan to no.1, Mickey had just joined the team for his first series and gave Waqar / Misbah all the credit, he was paid just for showing up!

Also, Misbah was the first Pakistan Captain in history to win a Test Series in the final frontier; the West Indies! something Imran Khan failed at!

We both know that Pakistan would have lost in England in 2016 if it were not for Arthur having a shouting match with Misbah about the need to drop Hafeez and replace him with Sami Aslam.

Sami Aslam then topped the averages, averaging 54 to Misbah’s own 40.

 

[ManFan]

First decide upon what you want to critisize. The thread would be about oramges and you talk about apple.

You end up showing your biasness

And you don’t?

 

[Savak]

Imran snubs trio, PCB unhappy with ‘independently arranged’ meeting

Mohammad Yaqoob 17 Sep 2020

LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday snubbed head coach-cum-chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq, Test captain Azhar Ali and veteran all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez during a meeting held here over the revival of departmental cricket and advised them to concentrate on their own jobs instead of focusing on policy-related matters of the PCB.

Dawn learnt through reliable sources that the PM, during the meeting held on the trio’s request at the Prime Minister House, categorically told them that the revamped domestic set up of six provincial teams will stay and is the best solution for Pakistan cricket.

Meanwhile, on the sidelines, there were reports signaling that the PCB is not happy with the trio’s decision of asking for a direct meeting with the prime minister who is also PCB’s patron-in-chief. The PCB will share its concerns on the matter with the three cricketers in the near future as it believes they have breached the chain of command by directly holding a meeting with the prime minister.

In addition to the trio of senior cricketers, the Prime Minister House had also invited PCB chairman Ehsan Mani and chief executive Wasim Khan for the said meeting

Sources told Dawn Imran said he had no doubt about the positive role played by departmental cricket in the past but underlined it was not the case any more, noting that most of the contemporary cricketers representing departments were around 40 years of age, a scenario that was not too rosy for Pakistan cricket.

The prime minister, sources added, also asked Misbah that being the head coach-cum-chief selector, he should focus on his job to pick quality players and coach them in the best possible way instead of paying his attention on PCB’s policy matters.

Similarly, the premier on the occasion also asked Azhar to concentrate on making Pakistan the top team in Tests and the same message was conveyed to Hafeez.

Published in Dawn, September 17th, 2020

Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1580142/imran-snubs-trio-pcb-unhappy-with-independently-arranged-meeting

 

[Majid Khan]

Imran snubs trio, PCB unhappy with ‘independently arranged’ meeting

Mohammad Yaqoob 17 Sep 2020

LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday snubbed head coach-cum-chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq, Test captain Azhar Ali and veteran all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez during a meeting held here over the revival of departmental cricket and advised them to concentrate on their own jobs instead of focusing on policy-related matters of the PCB.

Dawn learnt through reliable sources that the PM, during the meeting held on the trio’s request at the Prime Minister House, categorically told them that the revamped domestic set up of six provincial teams will stay and is the best solution for Pakistan cricket.

Meanwhile, on the sidelines, there were reports signaling that the PCB is not happy with the trio’s decision of asking for a direct meeting with the prime minister who is also PCB’s patron-in-chief. The PCB will share its concerns on the matter with the three cricketers in the near future as it believes they have breached the chain of command by directly holding a meeting with the prime minister.

In addition to the trio of senior cricketers, the Prime Minister House had also invited PCB chairman Ehsan Mani and chief executive Wasim Khan for the said meeting

Sources told Dawn Imran said he had no doubt about the positive role played by departmental cricket in the past but underlined it was not the case any more, noting that most of the contemporary cricketers representing departments were around 40 years of age, a scenario that was not too rosy for Pakistan cricket.

The prime minister, sources added, also asked Misbah that being the head coach-cum-chief selector, he should focus on his job to pick quality players and coach them in the best possible way instead of paying his attention on PCB’s policy matters.

Similarly, the premier on the occasion also asked Azhar to concentrate on making Pakistan the top team in Tests and the same message was conveyed to Hafeez.

Published in Dawn, September 17th, 2020

Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1580142/imran-snubs-trio-pcb-unhappy-with-independently-arranged-meeting

PM was spot on to Chief Selector/Coach Misbah and Kaptaan Azhar - you guys have a job to do which you have delivered poor results on so far, focus on that and if needed speak about what plans you have to improve performance within your remit.

As for Hafeez - just don’t get how he sneaked into such a high profile meeting , unless it was to have Wasim Akram’s batting equivalent from Pakistan to be sitting there alongside him.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Imran snubs trio, PCB unhappy with ‘independently arranged’ meeting

Mohammad Yaqoob 17 Sep 2020

LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday snubbed head coach-cum-chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq, Test captain Azhar Ali and veteran all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez during a meeting held here over the revival of departmental cricket and advised them to concentrate on their own jobs instead of focusing on policy-related matters of the PCB.

Dawn learnt through reliable sources that the PM, during the meeting held on the trio’s request at the Prime Minister House, categorically told them that the revamped domestic set up of six provincial teams will stay and is the best solution for Pakistan cricket.

Meanwhile, on the sidelines, there were reports signaling that the PCB is not happy with the trio’s decision of asking for a direct meeting with the prime minister who is also PCB’s patron-in-chief. The PCB will share its concerns on the matter with the three cricketers in the near future as it believes they have breached the chain of command by directly holding a meeting with the prime minister.

In addition to the trio of senior cricketers, the Prime Minister House had also invited PCB chairman Ehsan Mani and chief executive Wasim Khan for the said meeting

Sources told Dawn Imran said he had no doubt about the positive role played by departmental cricket in the past but underlined it was not the case any more, noting that most of the contemporary cricketers representing departments were around 40 years of age, a scenario that was not too rosy for Pakistan cricket.

The prime minister, sources added, also asked Misbah that being the head coach-cum-chief selector, he should focus on his job to pick quality players and coach them in the best possible way instead of paying his attention on PCB’s policy matters.

Similarly, the premier on the occasion also asked Azhar to concentrate on making Pakistan the top team in Tests and the same message was conveyed to Hafeez.

Published in Dawn, September 17th, 2020

Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1580142/imran-snubs-trio-pcb-unhappy-with-independently-arranged-meeting

Lol haha
So these two tried to show Muft ki chalaaki by directly meeting with the PM but the PM had a nice surprise for them.
I think IK also indicated it to Mani and WK to witness this and DON”T let it happen again.

Poor Azhar Ali got the “raggra” for being a Yes man. He hardly has a brain of his own to use when he deals with the so called “seniors”.

 

[Shariq7]

You would have to question the reasoning skills of these three. You are going behind your employer’s back to gain favor with a man whose stance for the past 30 years has been in oppositon with your supposed plea. I understand Hafeez’s delusions of grandeur. He is the one of the greats of International cricket but I just hope Misbah and Azhar’s apparent lack of judgment is not translated into further losses by the Pakistan team.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You would have to question the reasoning skills of these three. You are going behind your employer’s back to gain favor with a man whose stance for the past 30 years has been in oppositon with your supposed plea. I understand Hafeez’s delusions of grandeur. He is the one of the greats of International cricket but I just hope Misbah and Azhar’s apparent lack of judgment is not translated into further losses by the Pakistan team.

Actually it’s even more interesting— Wasim Khan actually opposed the new system initially when he came in for the first time but Imran Khan is the one who was determined and forced him to end departmental cricket!

So they went behind the backs of the PCB as if the PCB are the villains without realizing that Imran Khan was the one who wanted it the most!

 

[Shariq7]

Actually it’s even more interesting— Wasim Khan actually opposed the new system initially when he came in for the first time but Imran Khan is the one who was determined and forced him to end departmental cricket!

So they went behind the backs of the PCB as if the PCB are the villains without realizing that Imran Khan was the one who wanted it the most!

Yeah, I mean it's really out of character for Misbah and Azhar to suddenly find the courage to do anything. I wonder whats going on behind the scenes.

 

[Savak]

Actually it’s even more interesting— Wasim Khan actually opposed the new system initially when he came in for the first time but Imran Khan is the one who was determined and forced him to end departmental cricket!

So they went behind the backs of the PCB as if the PCB are the villains without realizing that Imran Khan was the one who wanted it the most!

WK didn't oppose the new system, he wanted to be cautious and not hasty as he knew how sensitive an issue it was in our country but IK backing and instructions gave him full confidence

 

[MMHS]

We both know that Pakistan would have lost in England in 2016 if it were not for Arthur having a shouting match with Misbah about the need to drop Hafeez and replace him with Sami Aslam.

Sami Aslam then topped the averages, averaging 54 to Misbah’s own 40.

I am not sure about you two, but I can’t tell on two things - 1. About the shouting match - I didn’t hear it from Toronto, but may be you heard it from Brisbane. 2. With Hafeez result was 1-1, with Sami result was still 1-1 .... therefore not sure how you could come to your conclusion.

 

[Mamoon]

We both know that Pakistan would have lost in England in 2016 if it were not for Arthur having a shouting match with Misbah about the need to drop Hafeez and replace him with Sami Aslam.

Sami Aslam then topped the averages, averaging 54 to Misbah’s own 40.

Sami Aslam at Edgbaston: 82 & 70
Result: Pakistan lost

Sami Aslam at The Oval: 3 & 12 not out
Result: Pakistan won

So how did Sami Aslam replacing Hafeez change Pakistan’s fortunes?

Pakistan lost the match where he played well and won the match where he had zero contribution.

 

[Majid Khan]

The question I have and please enlighten me if I’m missing something here , but if the wonderful departmental cricket system was so good and changing it will ruin Pakistan cricket as some former and current players seem to believe, then can someone explain why this great first class cricket system failed to produce a competitive and consistent cricket team during the last 20 years? It can’t all be to do with not playing at home.

Look at Pakistan’s test record during last 20 years and I would guess Pakistan might be second only to Bangladesh if there was a rankings of most innings defeats in test cricket in this period. Look at the number of ODI losses chasing scores of 250 and Pakistan will probably be at the top, or again second to Bangladesh.

The point is this rotten first class system was already broken and in ruins - changing it can’t make it any worse , but trying the same formula that other countries are using with a region based first class cricket set up might actually help to improve things - what exactly have you got to lose?

 

[shaz619]

We both know that Pakistan would have lost in England in 2016 if it were not for Arthur having a shouting match with Misbah about the need to drop Hafeez and replace him with Sami Aslam.

Sami Aslam then topped the averages, averaging 54 to Misbah’s own 40.

I have read Bob Woolmer's encyclopaedia on cricket, if Mickey's best move on a tactical front was to have a 'shouting match' then am not surprised why he had such a horrifying record in the UAE!

Considering Misbah was responsible for dropping the younger bloke then he deserves credit for selecting the older bloke called Younis Khan who hit a double hundred which resulted in a W for Pakistan, neither of Sami Aslam's contributions resulted in a Pakistan win, in fact he made no difference then Hafeez as far as am concerned!

 

[Junaids]

I have read Bob Woolmer's encyclopaedia on cricket, if Mickey's best move on a tactical front was to have a 'shouting match' then am not surprised why he had such a horrifying record in the UAE!

Considering Misbah was responsible for dropping the younger bloke then he deserves credit for selecting the older bloke called Younis Khan who hit a double hundred which resulted in a W for Pakistan, neither of Sami Aslam's contributions resulted in a Pakistan win, in fact he made no difference then Hafeez as far as am concerned!

It's difficult for me to articulate this, given that my strong view is that the Captain should have sole authority in picking the Playing Eleven.

My understanding is that Mickey Arthur was absolutely familiar with Mohammad Hafeez's appalling Test record Outside Asia, and was enraged by the ways he got himself out in the first three Tests. He reportedly tried on multiple occasions to persuade Misbah to replace Mohammad Hafeez with Sami Aslam, citing:

1. His good form in the nets,
2. His excellent record as a youth cricketer,
3. His future potential,
4. The advanced age of the rest of the batting order.

Ironically - in 2020 - Misbah's response before during and after the first two Tests was to tell Arthur that as Captain it was his sole responsibility to pick the starting eleven, and that Arthur did not know the players as well as he did.

When Hafeez scored 0 and 2 in the Third Test - while Sami Aslam scored 82 and 70 - this reportedly escalated into a shouting match about Hafeez's future, and Arthur reportedly was not the one who raised his voice!

Do I accept that as Captain it was Misbah's right to pick the starting eleven? Yes.

But I don't think that Misbah should have been in the team. His selection was keeping Babar Azam out.

 

[shaz619]

It's difficult for me to articulate this, given that my strong view is that the Captain should have sole authority in picking the Playing Eleven.

My understanding is that Mickey Arthur was absolutely familiar with Mohammad Hafeez's appalling Test record Outside Asia, and was enraged by the ways he got himself out in the first three Tests. He reportedly tried on multiple occasions to persuade Misbah to replace Mohammad Hafeez with Sami Aslam, citing:

1. His good form in the nets,
2. His excellent record as a youth cricketer,
3. His future potential,
4. The advanced age of the rest of the batting order.

Ironically - in 2020 - Misbah's response before during and after the first two Tests was to tell Arthur that as Captain it was his sole responsibility to pick the starting eleven, and that Arthur did not know the players as well as he did.

When Hafeez scored 0 and 2 in the Third Test - while Sami Aslam scored 82 and 70 - this reportedly escalated into a shouting match about Hafeez's future, and Arthur reportedly was not the one who raised his voice!

Do I accept that as Captain it was Misbah's right to pick the starting eleven? Yes.

But I don't think that Misbah should have been in the team. His selection was keeping Babar Azam out.

Misbah was fed up with Hafeez and decided to try Sami Aslam who would then make no difference to Pakistan's test fortunes. Mickey Arther had no authority while Misbah was around hence why he gave credit to him and Waqar for drawing with England, when Mickey had power; he failed to play two spinners in the UAE and gave away Pakistan's unbeaten record.

Misbah was essential to leading the side and restoring Pakistan's image, plus he didn't have a beard! a bonus for you!

 

[Kroll]

Misbah was fed up with Hafeez and decided to try Sami Aslam who would then make no difference to Pakistan's test fortunes. Mickey Arther had no authority while Misbah was around hence why he gave credit to him and Waqar for drawing with England, when Mickey had power; he failed to play two spinners in the UAE and gave away Pakistan's unbeaten record.

Misbah was essential to leading the side and restoring Pakistan's image, plus he didn't have a beard! a bonus for you!

Misbah has been telling this fable for years and his cult of personality has made it a mission to continually shove this narrative down our throats.

Pakistan cricket would have survived without Misbah and unfortunately, his involvement during that time looks like its going to do more harm than good now that he's back and intent on destroying the team.

 

[shaz619]

Misbah has been telling this fable for years and his cult of personality has made it a mission to continually shove this narrative down our throats.

Pakistan cricket would have survived without Misbah and unfortunately, his involvement during that time looks like its going to do more harm than good now that he's back and intent on destroying the team.

I don't know about what he is saying but as an observer post spot fixing he did a good job to restore a positive image overall and remain controversy free, regarding his current tactics, I agree the effect is damaging

 

[Junaids]

I don't know about what he is saying but as an observer post spot fixing he did a good job to restore a positive image overall and remain controversy free, regarding his current tactics, I agree the effect is damaging

Do you mind if I tell you what I think?

There were three options for the captaincy in 2010 after the spot-fixing episode.

Younis Khan was not chosen because in Sri Lanka 10 months earlier the team had fixed to get rid of him.

Shoaib Malik was not chosen because he was not in the team.

Misbah was not in the team either, but was chosen because he was older and more educated, and therefore appeared "civilized" to the wider cricket world.

The move to play in the UAE meant that the home matches would be played in conditions that Misbah could survive in as an ageing mediocre batsman, who had never been good enough to hold down a place in the team not just ahead of Younis and Yousuf, but even Shoaib Malik, Yasir Hameed or Asim Kamal.

It should have been a 2 year arrangement until 2013, but Pakistan then had no difficult away series until 2016, and Misbah showed no sign of handing over the reigns to a younger man. He is a cricket tragic who was getting to live his dream , and he did not care that he was blocking Babar Azam from getting into the team - even after Babar's century for Pakistan A against Mitchell Johnson at his peak.

Pakistan needed a safe pair of hands for a 2 year period - the kind of job that Shan Masood could do now from the ages of 30 to 32. But a big part of that job was handing over the reins to a younger man after 2 years to encourage continuity and prevent Misbah and Younis from retiring too close together.

And Misbah never liked the "handing over after two years" part of the job. He went on and on and on during that Asia-Only period from 2013-16, and he and Younis maintained their averages with UAE Daddy Hundreds backed up with performing in One Innings Per SENA Tour (Younis) or No Innings Per Tour (Misbah in NZ, SA and Australia).

Yes, Misbah repaired Pakistan's reputation. But that task was complete by 2013.

From 2013 what we actually saw was a selfish old man who didn't care about blocking the path forward for Babar Azam, and didn't care about leaving his country in the lurch when he and Younis left two adjacent holes in the middle order to be plugged.

And the older Misbah got, the more he transformed from a man on the absolute borderline of Excess Conservatism to a man so conservative that he became an incompetent captain and then coach and selector.

You raised his beard, but it tells you everything you need to know about a man whose conservative values are inconsistent with elite sport.

 

[shaz619]

Do you mind if I tell you what I think?

There were three options for the captaincy in 2010 after the spot-fixing episode.

Younis Khan was not chosen because in Sri Lanka 10 months earlier the team had fixed to get rid of him.

Shoaib Malik was not chosen because he was not in the team.

Misbah was not in the team either, but was chosen because he was older and more educated, and therefore appeared "civilized" to the wider cricket world.

The move to play in the UAE meant that the home matches would be played in conditions that Misbah could survive in as an ageing mediocre batsman, who had never been good enough to hold down a place in the team not just ahead of Younis and Yousuf, but even Shoaib Malik, Yasir Hameed or Asim Kamal.

It should have been a 2 year arrangement until 2013, but Pakistan then had no difficult away series until 2016, and Misbah showed no sign of handing over the reigns to a younger man. He is a cricket tragic who was getting to live his dream , and he did not care that he was blocking Babar Azam from getting into the team - even after Babar's century for Pakistan A against Mitchell Johnson at his peak.

Pakistan needed a safe pair of hands for a 2 year period - the kind of job that Shan Masood could do now from the ages of 30 to 32. But a big part of that job was handing over the reins to a younger man after 2 years to encourage continuity and prevent Misbah and Younis from retiring too close together.

And Misbah never liked the "handing over after two years" part of the job. He went on and on and on during that Asia-Only period from 2013-16, and he and Younis maintained their averages with UAE Daddy Hundreds backed up with performing in One Innings Per SENA Tour (Younis) or No Innings Per Tour (Misbah in NZ, SA and Australia).

Yes, Misbah repaired Pakistan's reputation. But that task was complete by 2013.

From 2013 what we actually saw was a selfish old man who didn't care about blocking the path forward for Babar Azam, and didn't care about leaving his country in the lurch when he and Younis left two adjacent holes in the middle order to be plugged.

And the older Misbah got, the more he transformed from a man on the absolute borderline of Excess Conservatism to a man so conservative that he became an incompetent captain and then coach and selector.

You raised his beard, but it tells you everything you need to know about a man whose conservative values are inconsistent with elite sport.

Agreed, they picked Misbah as captain for those reasons and it was the sensible choice; as per the eulogies on sky sports from our civil / esteemed panel, they credit Misbah for carrying Pakistan through those dark days.

The UAE became a home away from home, players living out of their suitcases and impressively the team remained unbeaten there thanks to Misbah ul Haq and his excellent captaincy in those conditions. His batting was more suited those conditions that is certainly true, it is to be admired how effective he was! in fact he equalled the great Viv Richard's record for the fastest hundred of all time.

Babar Azam was younger then Viv Richards when he made his debut for Pakistan! rushing players a little too early is not always a smart move either, especially when they are from Pakistan.

Misbah won in the West Indies unlike Imran Khan and took Pakistan to no.1 after drawing level with England / enjoying a great record against them overall to, he was going to be difficult to drop and also bearing in mind how his civil ways were necessary post spot fixing, he warmed my heart as a neutral and I fell in love with Pakistan cricket again and was close to forgiving Mohammed Aamir to! Younis given his match winning ability was also irreplaceable and only he was capable of winning a single Test in England all by himself.

Misbah didn't have a beard during that time though, which makes his global appeal even more important during that phase. I do agree that Pakistan should have groomed a replacement and not given the likes of Shafiq and the bowling attack such a long rope without an eye on the future.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

 

[MenInG]

Asked about the recent meeting of head coach Misbah-ul-Haq, senior all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez and Test captain Azhar Ali with Prime Minister Imran Khan, reportedly without PCB’s permission, Wasim Khan said:

“They [players] have been asked to explain their position to PCB chairman Ehsan Mani. A meeting is going to be held in coming days in this regard,”

 

[Kroll]

Ooft, all not looking well at Castle Grey Skull.

 

[Savak]

Lol for the first time in his life will Misbah be held to account for something

 

[Savak]

The moment where Misbah's downfall started. After that he gets the CS post taken away from him, now he has been told that he will also have no role in the selection of the playing eleven, the PCB appointed Younis Khan as the team's batting coach, so what is there for Misbah to do now? Why is he being paid $240,000 a year exactly now? He also will not be coaching Islamabad United anymore and the PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani had told him that he cannot be receiving a salary from the PCB and from SNGPL together at the same time and he needed to choose one

Its pretty clear the PCB wants Misbah to resign on his own accord otherwise they will have to dismiss him or adjust him in another role till the expiry of his contract in 2023. The shameless, lack of self respect manner in which Misbah is carrying on whereas others would have resigned just about sums him up. Its all about a free unpressurized paycheque for him.