Reports: Players willing to go to Pakistan for PSL final to be paid an extra $10-50k

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports: Players who are willing to go to Pakistan for the PSL final will be paid an additional amount of $10,000 to $50,000 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PSL2017?src=hash">#PSL2017</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/833650666228809732">February 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Absolutely unfair to all

 

[cricketjoshila]

Absolutely unfair to all

Unethical alright.But unfair?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Absolutely unfair to all

It's the world we live in - everything has a price. If it works though it's a price worth paying. Clever move.

 

[LastManstanding]

Is it really worth it? PCB bribed Zim players into going to Pakistan and in the end a policeman lost his life doing his job. And PSL will be a more high profile target for those terrorists than the Zimbabwe tour.

 

[Saj]

Also hearing that Mahela, Sanga and Chris Gayle have said no to going to Pakistan for the PSL final

 

[mhraja]

New draft is a joke

 

[dhump]

This is getting horrible and horrible by every passing moment.

PCB killing something beautiful brutally.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also hearing that Mahela, Sanga and Chris Gayle have said no to going to Pakistan for the PSL final

Big players will skip it.Players who earn big bucks elsewhere wont take the risk.

 

[Saj]

Big players will skip it.Players who earn big bucks elsewhere wont take the risk.

It has nothing to do with big bucks. It's about whether they feel safe going to Pakistan and whether their families want them to.

 

[dhump]

Big players will skip it.Players who earn big bucks elsewhere wont take the risk.

Every sane person will skip it...I mean it is absolutely stupid of PCB to think that certain respectable individuals will risk their life's for few thousand bucks. It is not like they will be getting anything special playing PSL final and secondly no one who is no Pakistani should and would not care about bringing cricket back to Pakistan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It has nothing to do with big bucks. It's about whether they feel safe going to Pakistan and whether their families want them to.

Its about reward vs risk ratio.

Basically how much money will seduce someone to go assuming the basic security measures are met.

Players earning well will not take the bite with just $50K but some others might.

Offer $100 million to Gayle, Sanga and Mahela and they may very well say yes.

 

[Abdullah]

hopefully this is not true.
what a joke. u either feel safe or u dont feel safe!!

 

[Saj]

Its about reward vs risk ratio.

For some the reward is irrelevant. Safety comes first to them and their families.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Every sane person will skip it...I mean it is absolutely stupid of PCB to think that certain respectable individuals will risk their life's for few thousand bucks. It is not like they will be getting anything special playing PSL final and secondly no one who is no Pakistani should and would not care about bringing cricket back to Pakistan.

See Pakistan has to start somewhere.This is a catch 22.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

For some the reward is irrelevant. Safety comes first to them and their families.

Reward is never irrelevant unless the odds of survival are low.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It has nothing to do with big bucks. It's about whether they feel safe going to Pakistan and whether their families want them to.

Some may go for extra for extra $50k.

 

[Saj]

Some may go for extra for extra $50k.

Don't think you are getting the point - some will not go for any amount of money and that decision has to be respected.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The problem with PCB is that they are delusional who refuse to look at the larger picture.

 

[Statsman]

It's the world we live in - everything has a price. If it works though it's a price worth paying. Clever move.

That's a very weird statement. No - not everything has a price.

 

[Saj]

Reward is never irrelevant unless the odds of survival are low.

Safety first for some. They will not go irrespective of the money being offered.

 

[dhump]

See Pakistan has to start somewhere.This is a catch 22.

Address the core issue rather than looking for shortcuts is the way to go. Pakistan is not ready for international cricket it is not safe for its own citizen and security situation is unpredictable.

Imagine even if they give highest level of security and something happens which is being neutralised and some security personal loose their life's to safe players will this be a win for Pakistan as a country ??? I think a respectable country will value life's of its citizens more than any international cricket. Playing in pakistan is not only risk for cricketers but also to those who will have to perform the task of giving security. It is unfortunate that their lifes hold no value in eyes of many.

I

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Safety first for some. They will not go irrespective of the money being offered.

Depends on what you define as safety.

There are varying degrees of safety.

 

[dhump]

Safety first for some. They will not go irrespective of the money being offered.

Saj bhai what about lifes of security individuals whom have to stand and stop any attempt that happens ? why we as a nation absolutely forgetting that we are bringing lifes of our own brothers in massive danger for something so meaningless.

 

[mhraja]

Address the core issue rather than looking for shortcuts is the way to go. Pakistan is not ready for international cricket it is not safe for its own citizen and security situation is unpredictable.

Imagine even if they give highest level of security and something happens which is being neutralised and some security personal loose their life's to safe players will this be a win for Pakistan as a country ??? I think a respectable country will value life's of its citizens more than any international cricket. Playing in pakistan is not only risk for cricketers but also to those who will have to perform the task of giving security. It is unfortunate that their lifes hold no value in eyes of many.

I

This is what exactly happened on Zimbabwe tour. People think the life of sub-inspector was worth less than a cricket tour.

 

[JibranAnsari]

We should try again in 2020 ,after recent wave of terrorism no foreigner in their right mind would travel to pakistan knowing that the terrorists must be itching to do something bad.

 

[Saj]

Depends on what you define as safety.

There are varying degrees of safety.

I have no idea what you are harping on about.

Quite clearly stated already to you that for some players the amount of money being offered is irrelevant. They will prefer not to go to Pakistan.

If you cannot comprehend that then you have a problem.

 

[dhump]

This is what exactly happened on Zimbabwe tour. People think the life of sub-inspector was worth less than a cricket tour.

absolutely this is pathetic for 3 hours of entertainment we are willing to risk life's of many individuals whom may be are sole provider of his/her families. Who may be father son or brother of someone.

It is absolutely pathetic of Pakistani authorities to ignore this very very important point.

Shame on PCB and Pak Gov for this.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I have no idea what you are harping on about.

Quite clearly stated already to you that for some players the amount of money being offered is irrelevant. They will prefer not to go to Pakistan.

If you cannot comprehend that then you have a problem.

You said "It has nothing to do with big bucks."

For which I responded that it is but the big bucks for some players need to be BIG enough to take the risk.

In an idealistic world, players will see the situation as safe or not safe.

In the real world, players will weigh the risk vs reward ratio provided the basic security arrangements are made.

With the presidential security, the odds of any player getting killed in Pakistan is extremely unlikely. So if you offer a high enough amount (whatever that may be), the big players will evaluate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Address the core issue rather than looking for shortcuts is the way to go. Pakistan is not ready for international cricket it is not safe for its own citizen and security situation is unpredictable.

Imagine even if they give highest level of security and something happens which is being neutralised and some security personal loose their life's to safe players will this be a win for Pakistan as a country ??? I think a respectable country will value life's of its citizens more than any international cricket. Playing in pakistan is not only risk for cricketers but also to those who will have to perform the task of giving security. It is unfortunate that their lifes hold no value in eyes of many.

I

The core issue being???

 

[Convict]

You said "It has nothing to do with big bucks."

For which I responded that it is but the big bucks for some players need to be BIG enough to take the risk.

In an idealistic world, players will see the situation as safe or not safe.

In the real world, players will weigh the risk vs reward ratio provided the basic security arrangements are made.

With the presidential security, the odds of any player getting killed in Pakistan is extremely unlikely. So if you offer a high enough amount (whatever that may be), the big players will evaluate.

What Saj is saying is that the amount offered and whatever amount the PCB can afford to offer isn't going to be enough to change anyone's calculus.

If you don't want to play in Pakistan because you think you would be endangers are you going to change your mind for $10,000?

No.

Sure you might for $100 million dollars but that is irrelevant because that sort of money isn't on the table.

 

[dhump]

The core issue being???

Terrorism and rise of it in Pakistan ??? are you new ?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What Saj is saying is that the amount offered and whatever amount the PCB can afford to offer isn't going to be enough to change anyone's calculus.

If you don't want to play in Pakistan because you think you would be endangers are you going to change your mind for $10,000?

No.

Sure you might for $100 million dollars but that is irrelevant because that sort of money isn't on the table.

From the little discussion we had....I reckon its about whether players look at safety or no safety in an absolute way.

Ok forget $100 million.

Offer $1 or $2 million to players and see if they change their minds. You might be surprised with the results (talking about the non Aussie, English and Indian players).

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

this just look cheap and desperate, we should just shelve the idea to play in Lahore in light of recent events.

I have little doubt that the players will be safe, but most of are looking at this from a Pakistani perspective.

Lets think of what happened when Zimbabwe arrived. A bomb exploded at the first line of security, so the security worked, no player were harmed, but one policeman died. Now given whats happened to our country this to many would be a worthy price or some would say the cop was doing his job.

However what would a foreign player think of something like that happening? Someone died for the sake of a cricket match ?

 

[Tekcirc]

What Saj is saying is that the amount offered and whatever amount the PCB can afford to offer isn't going to be enough to change anyone's calculus.

If you don't want to play in Pakistan because you think you would be endangers are you going to change your mind for $10,000?

No.

Sure you might for $100 million dollars but that is irrelevant because that sort of money isn't on the table.

$10,000 is not of the same value to all players. Aussie, Eng and Indian players would skip easily. Even the merc WI who make tons of money in other leagues. But some fringe players who only got the gig in PSL might relish the idea of a big payday fro a day's work.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Terrorism and rise of it in Pakistan ??? are you new ?

And you think it will go away in a few months?Pakistan did Zarb e Azb.6 months later they are back.The point is to convince players that Pakistan can give Adequate Security to nullify a terror attack.A very high security will make terrorists hesitant to attack.

The terror infrastructure in Pakistan isnt going to be dismantled due to various reasons.We both know it.

 

[Smbhayi]

why do they leak the news. should've kept in secret.

 

[cricketjoshila]

why do they leak the news. should've kept in secret.

PCB hai.

 

[dhump]

Then i will watch PSL in Pakistan from my grave.

This watching pakistan matches in UAE as a neutral guy is pathetic.No atmosphere,no noise.Its like eating Khichdi.

Pakistan needs to change its strategic goals.When?I do not know.

Not everyone in Pakistan is as hopeless as you are but this is your choice.

May be it is boring but Pakistan is not safe sorry and last thing we need it to risk life of individuals for sake of entertainment...also all of this is so 50/50 that no sane team will actually visit Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not everyone in Pakistan is as hopeless as you are but this is your choice.

May be it is boring but Pakistan is not safe sorry and last thing we need it to risk life of individuals for sake of entertainment...also all of this is so 50/50 that no sane team will actually visit Pakistan.

I am hopeless about the timeline.When Pakistan will change its Strategic goals and means.

 

[dhump]

I am hopeless about the timeline.When Pakistan will change its Strategic goals and means.

I dont see the other way out sooner or later Pakistan will have to change it otherwise it will be vanished from the face of the earth and will be changed into something else.

I mean there are so many examples like Syria where no sane person would like to plan his future until unless he or she is really forced into it.

 

[Major]

absolutely this is pathetic for 3 hours of entertainment we are willing to risk life's of many individuals whom may be are sole provider of his/her families. Who may be father son or brother of someone.

It is absolutely pathetic of Pakistani authorities to ignore this very very important point.

Shame on PCB and Pak Gov for this.

In the begining i also was of the view that no match should happen in pakistan due to safety and all.

But the thing is, the recent bomb blasts that happened was because the enemies of pakistan dont want the psl to happen in pakistan and i think its time pakistan gets this final done to send out a message. A message that defines that you cant destabilize us.

Thing is international cricket wont return till we have law and order and that could mean 20 years atleast.

 

[dhump]

In the begining i also was of the view that no match should happen in pakistan due to safety and all.

But the thing is, the recent bomb blasts that happened was because the enemies of pakistan dont want the psl to happen in pakistan and i think its time pakistan gets this final done to send out a message. A message that defines that you cant destabilize us.

Thing is international cricket wont return till we have law and order and that could mean 20 years atleast.

I dont think we should send messages by risking life of individuals I respectfully disagree with you messages should be send by cleaning the mess and destroying the roots and not by risking life's of 100s.

 

[winchester]

I dont see the other way out sooner or later Pakistan will have to change it otherwise it will be vanished from the face of the earth and will be changed into something else.

You got to be kidding me.....talk about being over dramatic. We have been through a lot worse.

Anyways is this a cricket forum????

Indians giving their Bashan on how Pakistan should act and local Hussain Haqqani wannabes backing them up with the same cliched opinions.

 

[dhump]

You got to be kidding me.....talk about being over dramatic. We have been through a lot worse.

Anyways is this a cricket forum????

Indians giving their Bashan on how Pakistan should act and local Hussain Haqqani wannabes backing them up with the same cliched opinions.

My opinion and I standby it also this is posted in cricket forum by mods and I think it is related to cricket they can move it to TP if they feel like it.

I hope nothing I wrote is offensive or blasphemous.

 

[saeed5646]

I dont see the other way out sooner or later Pakistan will have to change it otherwise it will be vanished from the face of the earth and will be changed into something else.

I mean there are so many examples like Syria where no sane person would like to plan his future until unless he or she is really forced into it.

how much time do you have live in pakistan

 

[Tekcirc]

In the begining i also was of the view that no match should happen in pakistan due to safety and all.

But the thing is, the recent bomb blasts that happened was because the enemies of pakistan dont want the psl to happen in pakistan and i think its time pakistan gets this final done to send out a message. A message that defines that you cant destabilize us.

Thing is international cricket wont return till we have law and order and that could mean 20 years atleast.

Cricket fans should wrap their mind around one thing : World doesn't revolve around cricket. Not every little incident takes place with intentions to hurt cricketing standing of a particular country.

 

[coy0607]

It has nothing to do with big bucks. It's about whether they feel safe going to Pakistan and whether their families want them to.

everything has a price

you could get cricketers on Mars if the price was right... enough Money and everyone will feel safe

 

[Tekcirc]

everything has a price

you could get cricketers on Mars if the price was right... enough Money and everyone will feel safe

Awesome, you summed up the logic behind insurance industry!

 

[Syed1]

PCB have made this ana ka masla to have final in PSL. Bhai you tried and it was a good attempt but things went south in Pakistan suspiciously just during that one week and now the entire security perception of the country has changed from improving to ominous.

Don't try to strong arm your way through it and think that you will hold PSL come hell or high-water.

Hold it in Dubai and try again next year.

My 2 cents

 

[Tekcirc]

Opinions like "Pakistan will vanish from the face of the earth" because of this threat are based on alternative facts.

As I said we have gone through the worst of it in the 2007-2009 period and if that didn't bring the state down this temporary spike won't either.

As for the final if the security agencies believe there is an active threat specific to the final than it shouldn't be held in Pakistan.


Otherwise we have seen places like Mexico where sporting events despite tremendous violence taking place....

The Mexican drug war is estimated bto be responsible for the deaths of more than a 100,000 people.....thats a lot more than the violence we have faced in Pakistan.

Mexico drug mafia to terrorism ...............really?

How many times has a drag cartel bombed a public protest?
How many times has the drug cartel bombed a place of worship?
How many times has drug cartel butchered school children?
How many times has a drug cartel attacked a children's park?

Pl. get your facts straight.
There are three kinds of lies: "Lies, damned lies and statistics"

 

[Tekcirc]

PCB have made this ana ka masla to have final in PSL. Bhai you tried and it was a good attempt but things went south in Pakistan suspiciously just during that one week and now the entire security perception of the country has changed from improving to ominous.

Don't try to strong arm your way through it and think that you will hold PSL come hell or high-water.

Hold it in Dubai and try again next year.

My 2 cents

2 cents worth a million dollars. A perfect, rational logic. People are letting their passions gut their logic here.

 

[Syed1]

Mexico drug mafia to terrorism ...............really?

How many times has a drag cartel bombed a public protest?
How many times has the drug cartel bombed a place of worship?
How many times has drug cartel butchered school children?
How many times has a drug cartel attacked a children's park?

Pl. get your facts straight.
There are three kinds of lies: "Lies, damned lies and statistics"

Actually the drug mafia is known to blow up planes or open indiscriminate firing on civilians etc etc

So your argument doesn't hold much water

 

[winchester]

I dont think you understand the magnitude of problem Pakistan is facing at the moment. We are not only fighting threats from neighbouring nations, but we are target or many proxy wars that are being fought by many parties inside Pakistan. Yes if these threats are not handled in proper manner results can be absolutely massive it is not long ago back in 1971 we lost half of the country and that exists as not Pakistan anymore but another nation that is named Bangladesh.

Also I really dont think you can compare drug war with threat of global terrorism and there is no comparison between Mexico and Pakistan both countries have worlds of difference between their strategic importance.

Also exists massive issues inside country apart from terrorism that trigger and make such events so much more easier.

I am perfectly aware of the massive challenge....my point is we have gone through the worst phase of it.

Its good that you understand that a lot of it is because of the proxy wars by our neighbours...... Obviously part of neutralizing the threat involves effectively and aggressively responding to these proxy wars.

Some more long term solutions include guiding the larger society away from a extremist mindset and regulating madressahs but that is a lengthy and frustrating process and doesn't mean we stop all other businesses.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

everything has a price

you could get cricketers on Mars if the price was right... enough Money and everyone will feel safe

I want to see cricket on Mars now.

Lets move the PSL final to mars?

 

[winchester]

Mexico drug mafia to terrorism ...............really?

How many times has a drag cartel bombed a public protest?
How many times has the drug cartel bombed a place of worship?
How many times has drug cartel butchered school children?
How many times has a drug cartel attacked a children's park?

Pl. get your facts straight.
There are three kinds of lies: "Lies, damned lies and statistics"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8259972.stm

They even attacked a damn clinic.....more than 100,000 is not a just a figure...these were real people killed.

 

[Major]

I dont think we should send messages by risking life of individuals I respectfully disagree with you messages should be send by cleaning the mess and destroying the roots and not by risking life's of 100s.

The mess can't be cleaned sadly. This is how its going to stay for the next 20 years. Unless, Pakistan decides to go on War against Afghanistan, nothing is going to change.

 

[Tekcirc]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8259972.stm

They even attacked a damn clinic.....more than 100,000 is not a just a figure...these were real people killed.

Was this a random attack or specific targeted people? Read again bro!

 

[Tekcirc]

Actually the drug mafia is known to blow up planes or open indiscriminate firing on civilians etc etc

So your argument doesn't hold much water

They are more prone to killing each other. Drug cartels rarely carry out killings in major public places. Mexico is unsafe but you know clearly where it is unsafe but that cannot be said for terrorism affected countries.

 

[dhump]

I am perfectly aware of the massive challenge....my point is we have gone through the worst phase of it.

Its good that you understand that a lot of it is because of the proxy wars by our neighbours...... Obviously part of neutralizing the threat involves effectively and aggressively responding to these proxy wars.

Some more long term solutions include guiding the larger society away from a extremist mindset and regulating madressahs but that is a lengthy and frustrating process and doesn't mean we stop all other businesses.

Not asking to stop business just asking not to risk precious lifes in sending messages that hold no long term value for us...I dont think PSL final with or without foreign players in Pakistan while risking life of security individual is risk worth taking.

 

[dhump]

The mess can't be cleaned sadly. This is how its going to stay for the next 20 years. Unless, Pakistan decides to go on War against Afghanistan, nothing is going to change.

Unfortunately than sanity dictates that we wait 20 years if this is the time we have to wait...I know it is not nice but better safe than sorry specially when what we are risking are lifes of people and what we are getting is some entertainment and may be some message which will hold not much value.

Cricket is not everything.

 

[Swanny]

Terrible stuff. This basically blackmail.That too after being offered max security.

 

[DanishJamil]

At one time it was hours almost every other day that Pakistan had these bombings. Situation has changed considerably in last two years, these were major bombing in a considerably long time.

As much as i hate to say it the thing is you can not have zero bombing assurance in today's world and you certainly can't have it in the future given the international and regional politics.

You can not change mindset overnight neither can you stop something good happening to Pakistan. If you keep on living in fear than good luck in bringing prosperity back to Pakistan.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Unfortunately than sanity dictates that we wait 20 years if this is the time we have to wait...I know it is not nice but better safe than sorry specially when what we are risking are lifes of people and what we are getting is some entertainment and may be some message which will hold not much value.

Cricket is not everything.

I think we need to develop Hologram cricket so we could let people who want to watch live cricket watch it in a hologramic form. Would work well for dangerious countries that can't be allowed to have cricket due to security concerns.

 

[Major]

So PM, COAS and President invited to match.

Those who live in Pakistan and have seen their security knows that this is going to be the safest match ever

 

[KyoOne]

PCB wont pay extra, it isnt cash-rich anyways. Doesnt matter

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Instead of having the final in Lahore why don't they set up a big giant screen in the Gaddaf stadium for viewers to come and watch in the stadium for free? Like make a special place for every fan of PSL to enjoy. This will send a positive message to the world on how much Pakistani fans want cricket back in Pakistan.

 

[dhump]

I think we need to develop Hologram cricket so we could let people who want to watch live cricket watch it in a hologramic form. Would work well for dangerious countries that can't be allowed to have cricket due to security concerns.

I am always for innovation that is what I do for living so yes I am in....it is a million dollar idea to be honest.

 

[Swanny]

These cricketers are showing their true colours. Why should they be paid extra when they are already being offered max security ? They are just using this opportunity to line theirpockets. PCB should simply go ahead & drop anyone who demands extra pay.

 

[coy0607]

I want to see cricket on Mars now.

Lets move the PSL final to mars?

give Elon Musk a few billion$ and a couple of years, and you'll get your wish!

 

[Saj]

You said "It has nothing to do with big bucks."

For which I responded that it is but the big bucks for some players need to be BIG enough to take the risk.

In an idealistic world, players will see the situation as safe or not safe.

In the real world, players will weigh the risk vs reward ratio provided the basic security arrangements are made.

With the presidential security, the odds of any player getting killed in Pakistan is extremely unlikely. So if you offer a high enough amount (whatever that may be), the big players will evaluate.

You are rambling.

Let me repeat - for some players the money does not matter. Example Sanga and Mahela, as they have had previous issues in Pakistan and it's understandable they don't want to go back there.

 

[MenInG]

Stick to cricket only

 

[Saj]

why do they leak the news. should've kept in secret.

When you have Sethi and Shahryar in charge there are no secrets.

 

[Square Drive]

Also hearing that Mahela, Sanga and Chris Gayle have said no to going to Pakistan for the PSL final

All from KK, so if KK doesn't make it, that's not too much of a problem.

Either way, Mahela and Gayle haven't done jack all PSL so even if KK does make it to the finals, only real loss will be Sanga.

 

[Rayyman]

All from KK, so if KK doesn't make it, that's not too much of a problem.

Either way, Mahela and Gayle haven't done jack all PSL so even if KK does make it to the finals, only real loss will be Sanga.

Mahela got shot the last time he went to Lahore. Can't blame him.

 

[Square Drive]

Mahela got shot the last time he went to Lahore. Can't blame him.

Didn't say anything about blaming anyone.

 

[Speedster777]

No need to pay extra money to any player.

 

[JattMaula]

I am always for innovation that is what I do for living so yes I am in....it is a million dollar idea to be honest.

Or just make 360 degree virtual reality content that gives you feeling that you are in stadium watching match live.

 

[Rayyman]

No need to pay extra money to any player.

If they are giving money, then give like 5K.

 

[msb314]

PCB have made this ana ka masla to have final in PSL. Bhai you tried and it was a good attempt but things went south in Pakistan suspiciously just during that one week and now the entire security perception of the country has changed from improving to ominous.

Don't try to strong arm your way through it and think that you will hold PSL come hell or high-water.

Hold it in Dubai and try again next year.

My 2 cents

I completely agree.

Even I was for PSL final being hosted in Lahore but the events of last week have changed the complexion completely.

It will take time and better to be patient and win the player's trust than to host an unfulfilled event without many of the stars and/or forcing players to play against their will.